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Nah, fault lies with those who make incorrect assumptions.Haul Judos;4515539 said:fiat_money;4515501 said:Bruh, you just subjectively interpreted a statement, and said if he doesn't agree with you he's not looking at it objectively enough.Haul Judos;4515457 said:...MeTaL;4515415 said:I see nothing wrong at all with ms southern said.That's her standards.. Some men refuse to date fat women. Some women refuse to date broke men.. It is what it is.. If somebody throws fits and punches and get offended..because of what that person said.. That's on you..Take it how ever you want it.. If It doesn't pertain to you.. touche..
it has nothing to do with taking offense....it's solely about considering those statements to be shallow....
i mean if you don't see them as shallow statements, then you're really not looking at it objectively enough....
the basis of the debate is not considering a person worthy of marriage for something essentially viewed as superficial...
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Any preference can be considered "shallow" or "superficial". An ex-con/fat/dumb/stuttering/child molesting nigga could also say it's "shallow" or "superficial" not to marry them just because they're an ex-con/fat/dumb/stuttering/child molesting nigga.
Shit's subjective as fuck.
it sounds like you're pretty much explaining and supporting my argument....
the solution i'm presenting is to further explain ones argument to avoid being unintentionally viewed in a certain way......
that was her complaint, that's what we were debating.....
what i explained was that her statement could easily be considered a blanket statement and taken the wrong way.....
and the defense was that it shouldn't be so, and only a person who took offense would have a problem with it....
both of those can be viewed as subjective points of views.....
so my original solution of further explanation and dialogue can pretty much prevent that from happening...
basically when you make blunt subjective statements, you leave the door open for people to make blunt subjective assumptions
cause and effect, me explaining that doesn't mean i'm defending the assumption, i'm just understanding how it would lead to that...
Haul Judos;4515601 said:Ms Southern;4511479 said:Someone who lives paycheck to paycheck with no ambition
Someone who job hops becasue they can't learn skills to stick something out
A grown man who works at places like McD's or Subway
Someone with no savings.. .or 401k or some kind of retirement. To me it shows no plans for the future
All of those = broke
@MorganFreemanKing
thanks for quoting this....
i feel like if this was her original argument.. thread goes 7 -8 posts......... 10 posts tops....
like 4 people woulda typed cosign...
one person woulda said something like "no ambition in life is the WOAT"
someone woulda said "who want start a life with someone who don't want to do shit with theirs??"
then the inevitable
"
^^^^^^this
/thread"
Haul Judos;4515601 said:Ms Southern;4511479 said:Someone who lives paycheck to paycheck with no ambition
Someone who job hops becasue they can't learn skills to stick something out
A grown man who works at places like McD's or Subway
Someone with no savings.. .or 401k or some kind of retirement. To me it shows no plans for the future
All of those = broke
@MorganFreemanKing
thanks for quoting this....
i feel like if this was her original argument.. thread goes 7 -8 posts......... 10 posts tops....
like 4 people woulda typed cosign...
one person woulda said something like "no ambition in life is the WOAT"
someone woulda said "who want start a life with someone who don't want to do shit with theirs??"
then the inevitable
"
^^^^^^this
/thread"
Sage Wonder;4511820 said:It's really not this serious. She said what is universally accepted, yet without prudence, and broke men got offended. That is all.
/thread
fiat_money;4515645 said:Nah, fault lies with those who make incorrect assumptions.Haul Judos;4515539 said:fiat_money;4515501 said:Bruh, you just subjectively interpreted a statement, and said if he doesn't agree with you he's not looking at it objectively enough.Haul Judos;4515457 said:...MeTaL;4515415 said:I see nothing wrong at all with ms southern said.That's her standards.. Some men refuse to date fat women. Some women refuse to date broke men.. It is what it is.. If somebody throws fits and punches and get offended..because of what that person said.. That's on you..Take it how ever you want it.. If It doesn't pertain to you.. touche..
it has nothing to do with taking offense....it's solely about considering those statements to be shallow....
i mean if you don't see them as shallow statements, then you're really not looking at it objectively enough....
the basis of the debate is not considering a person worthy of marriage for something essentially viewed as superficial...
![]()
Any preference can be considered "shallow" or "superficial". An ex-con/fat/dumb/stuttering/child molesting nigga could also say it's "shallow" or "superficial" not to marry them just because they're an ex-con/fat/dumb/stuttering/child molesting nigga.
Shit's subjective as fuck.
it sounds like you're pretty much explaining and supporting my argument....
the solution i'm presenting is to further explain ones argument to avoid being unintentionally viewed in a certain way......
that was her complaint, that's what we were debating.....
what i explained was that her statement could easily be considered a blanket statement and taken the wrong way.....
and the defense was that it shouldn't be so, and only a person who took offense would have a problem with it....
both of those can be viewed as subjective points of views.....
so my original solution of further explanation and dialogue can pretty much prevent that from happening...
basically when you make blunt subjective statements, you leave the door open for people to make blunt subjective assumptions
cause and effect, me explaining that doesn't mean i'm defending the assumption, i'm just understanding how it would lead to that...
I could say "I like black women."; this may lead people to assume that I hate women other races. Then I could amend by saying, "I like women of all races, but I prefer black women."; however, this may lead one to assume that I'm a racist that thinks other women are inferior to black women. Then, I could go even further to say "I like women of all races equally."; but even in this case, black women may assume I'm a coon who secretly wants a white woman. Additionally, any explanations I make to attempt to clarify could also be assumed to be me making excuses or backing down from my initial statement.
^^^Unintended assumptions can always be made, and people can consider any stating of a preference as a "blanket statement" causing them to take it the wrong way.
It's the active process of them forming a baseless conclusion that leads to such things happening.
![]()
ms.jones;4515656 said:Haul Judos;4515601 said:Ms Southern;4511479 said:Someone who lives paycheck to paycheck with no ambition
Someone who job hops becasue they can't learn skills to stick something out
A grown man who works at places like McD's or Subway
Someone with no savings.. .or 401k or some kind of retirement. To me it shows no plans for the future
All of those = broke
@MorganFreemanKing
thanks for quoting this....
i feel like if this was her original argument.. thread goes 7 -8 posts......... 10 posts tops....
like 4 people woulda typed cosign...
one person woulda said something like "no ambition in life is the WOAT"
someone woulda said "who want start a life with someone who don't want to do shit with theirs??"
then the inevitable
"
^^^^^^this
/thread"
That's the thing though, Du. She doesn't have to preface what her preference is just to appease the broke nigga who took offense. Ok, we get it, broke and its definition subjective. However, we all.are adults here, and can pretty much agree on what broke means.
Bottom line is, that's her choice. We are talking marriage here. A lifetime of brokeness. We aren't talking the bumps that may happen later, we are talking the dating, and you STILL ain't got your shit together by this point issue. After the lust and infatuation wears off, reality sets in. Being broke, with another broke person does not make the love stronger.
Or, everyone can save time and energy if people simply don't jump to conclusions.Haul Judos;4515693 said:fiat_money;4515645 said:Nah, fault lies with those who make incorrect assumptions.Haul Judos;4515539 said:fiat_money;4515501 said:Bruh, you just subjectively interpreted a statement, and said if he doesn't agree with you he's not looking at it objectively enough.Haul Judos;4515457 said:...MeTaL;4515415 said:I see nothing wrong at all with ms southern said.That's her standards.. Some men refuse to date fat women. Some women refuse to date broke men.. It is what it is.. If somebody throws fits and punches and get offended..because of what that person said.. That's on you..Take it how ever you want it.. If It doesn't pertain to you.. touche..
it has nothing to do with taking offense....it's solely about considering those statements to be shallow....
i mean if you don't see them as shallow statements, then you're really not looking at it objectively enough....
the basis of the debate is not considering a person worthy of marriage for something essentially viewed as superficial...
![]()
Any preference can be considered "shallow" or "superficial". An ex-con/fat/dumb/stuttering/child molesting nigga could also say it's "shallow" or "superficial" not to marry them just because they're an ex-con/fat/dumb/stuttering/child molesting nigga.
Shit's subjective as fuck.
it sounds like you're pretty much explaining and supporting my argument....
the solution i'm presenting is to further explain ones argument to avoid being unintentionally viewed in a certain way......
that was her complaint, that's what we were debating.....
what i explained was that her statement could easily be considered a blanket statement and taken the wrong way.....
and the defense was that it shouldn't be so, and only a person who took offense would have a problem with it....
both of those can be viewed as subjective points of views.....
so my original solution of further explanation and dialogue can pretty much prevent that from happening...
basically when you make blunt subjective statements, you leave the door open for people to make blunt subjective assumptions
cause and effect, me explaining that doesn't mean i'm defending the assumption, i'm just understanding how it would lead to that...
I could say "I like black women."; this may lead people to assume that I hate women other races. Then I could amend by saying, "I like women of all races, but I prefer black women."; however, this may lead one to assume that I'm a racist that thinks other women are inferior to black women. Then, I could go even further to say "I like women of all races equally."; but even in this case, black women may assume I'm a coon who secretly wants a white woman. Additionally, any explanations I make to attempt to clarify could also be assumed to be me making excuses or backing down from my initial statement.
^^^Unintended assumptions can always be made, and people can consider any stating of a preference as a "blanket statement" causing them to take it the wrong way.
It's the active process of them forming a baseless conclusion that leads to such things happening.
![]()
hence either discussing something until a mutual understanding has taken place, or at the least they tire of explaining themselves....
mostvigorousone;4515644 said:@Jamaica
If someone calls living check to check comfortable then they're likely complacent. Check to check = if something happens that stops this next check from coming I'm in deep shit = on the brink of a crash and burn. The Fire should be lit under your ass, you should feel the heat on the back of your neck.
If an emergency arises you'll be in a world of trouble if you're living check to check, because in your head you're already allocating dollars from your next check to things that have to be paid for before you even get it.
Haul Judos;4515715 said:ms.jones;4515656 said:Haul Judos;4515601 said:Ms Southern;4511479 said:Someone who lives paycheck to paycheck with no ambition
Someone who job hops becasue they can't learn skills to stick something out
A grown man who works at places like McD's or Subway
Someone with no savings.. .or 401k or some kind of retirement. To me it shows no plans for the future
All of those = broke
@MorganFreemanKing
thanks for quoting this....
i feel like if this was her original argument.. thread goes 7 -8 posts......... 10 posts tops....
like 4 people woulda typed cosign...
one person woulda said something like "no ambition in life is the WOAT"
someone woulda said "who want start a life with someone who don't want to do shit with theirs??"
then the inevitable
"
^^^^^^this
/thread"
That's the thing though, Du. She doesn't have to preface what her preference is just to appease the broke nigga who took offense. Ok, we get it, broke and its definition subjective. However, we all.are adults here, and can pretty much agree on what broke means.
Bottom line is, that's her choice. We are talking marriage here. A lifetime of brokeness. We aren't talking the bumps that may happen later, we are talking the dating, and you STILL ain't got your shit together by this point issue. After the lust and infatuation wears off, reality sets in. Being broke, with another broke person does not make the love stronger.
she felt some type of way about the assumption her statement created. so it woulda served her purpose better to go in greater detail....
everybody ain't built like that to just say something and not really care about how it's taken.. some people want their point to be taken in fairly...
Haul Judos;4515601 said:Ms Southern;4511479 said:Someone who lives paycheck to paycheck with no ambition
Someone who job hops becasue they can't learn skills to stick something out
A grown man who works at places like McD's or Subway
Someone with no savings.. .or 401k or some kind of retirement. To me it shows no plans for the future
All of those = broke
@MorganFreemanKing
thanks for quoting this....
i feel like if this was her original argument.. thread goes 7 -8 posts......... 10 posts tops....
like 4 people woulda typed cosign...
one person woulda said something like "no ambition in life is the WOAT"
someone woulda said "who want start a life with someone who don't want to do shit with theirs??"
then the inevitable
"
^^^^^^this
/thread"
ms.jones;4515765 said:Haul Judos;4515715 said:ms.jones;4515656 said:Haul Judos;4515601 said:Ms Southern;4511479 said:Someone who lives paycheck to paycheck with no ambition
Someone who job hops becasue they can't learn skills to stick something out
A grown man who works at places like McD's or Subway
Someone with no savings.. .or 401k or some kind of retirement. To me it shows no plans for the future
All of those = broke
@MorganFreemanKing
thanks for quoting this....
i feel like if this was her original argument.. thread goes 7 -8 posts......... 10 posts tops....
like 4 people woulda typed cosign...
one person woulda said something like "no ambition in life is the WOAT"
someone woulda said "who want start a life with someone who don't want to do shit with theirs??"
then the inevitable
"
^^^^^^this
/thread"
That's the thing though, Du. She doesn't have to preface what her preference is just to appease the broke nigga who took offense. Ok, we get it, broke and its definition subjective. However, we all.are adults here, and can pretty much agree on what broke means.
Bottom line is, that's her choice. We are talking marriage here. A lifetime of brokeness. We aren't talking the bumps that may happen later, we are talking the dating, and you STILL ain't got your shit together by this point issue. After the lust and infatuation wears off, reality sets in. Being broke, with another broke person does not make the love stronger.
she felt some type of way about the assumption her statement created. so it woulda served her purpose better to go in greater detail....
everybody ain't built like that to just say something and not really care about how it's taken.. some people want their point to be taken in fairly...
But she didn't care to address it with the nigga who took offense. She addressed it with her man, whom understood clearly what she meant. She just wanted to know why would someone get offended, unless it was true.. so again, don't take offense unless it applies.
All that its shallow, and its a red flag.....nah, thats for a person to believe if they are insecure about their own situation. If being honest is shallow, then we are all pretty vain at times.