Hip Hop has changed, it's time for us to accept it.

[goldenja]

ive accepted this since '06 lol

 

[JokerzWyld]

Hip Hop might have advanced or evolved (as you put it). But that doesn't mean we have to accept these wack ass rappers that's popping up everywhere. Yes, we had them back in the day. But, they did not overshadow or overrun anything. For every Sugar Hill Gang and Kid N Play, there was a public enemy, a Grandmaster Flash, a Mellie Mel, a Big Daddy Kane, a Rakim, A Pete Rock. We don't have that now. The wackness done completely took over. And y'all need to stop using the excuse of Hip Hop evolving as a reason to accept garbage.

I like your attitude, but as long as bullshyt goes platinum it's gonna keep selling until the masses, who are usually fair weather hip hop fans, change their minds.

 

[beats&rhymes]

Mainstream hip hop is wack, people need to accept that, never mind accepting it's moved on or evolved, save that shit for someone who does not know better. If people want to be force fed shit then eat up, it's all good. If it wasn't for underground hip hop I probably wouldn't listen to todays stuff and it's safe to say I'd be firmly locked in the 80's and 90's.

[video=youtube;cbz4ZQaYM5U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbz4ZQaYM5U[/video]

 

[JokerzWyld]

Mainstream hip hop is wack, people need to accept that, never mind accepting it's moved on or evolved, save that shit for someone who does not know better. If people want to be force fed shit then eat up, it's all good. If it wasn't for underground hip hop I probably wouldn't listen to todays stuff and it's safe to say I'd be firmly locked in the 80's and 90's.

[video=youtube;cbz4ZQaYM5U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbz4ZQaYM5U[/video]

I hear you man, it's just that, when are GOOD hip hop artists gonna be the credit they deserve like in other genres. Sade will never fall off, neither will Prince. They are too respected and their core audience is very loyal. Will Hip Hop ever have artists like that? In My Opinion they do, but they are over shadowed by what today's generation considers GOOD, and thats Wayne etc.

 

[dj expanium]

Mainstream hip hop is wack, people need to accept that, never mind accepting it's moved on or evolved, save that shit for someone who does not know better. If people want to be force fed shit then eat up, it's all good. If it wasn't for underground hip hop I probably wouldn't listen to todays stuff and it's safe to say I'd be firmly locked in the 80's and 90's.

I hear you man, it's just that, when are GOOD hip hop artists gonna be the credit they deserve like in other genres. Sade will never fall off, neither will Prince. They are too respected and their core audience is very loyal. Will Hip Hop ever have artists like that? In My Opinion they do, but they are over shadowed by what today's generation considers GOOD, and thats Wayne etc.

I agree with you both on your views and opinions. I can say and agree to the fact that Mainstream rap/hip-hop sound has evolved in the past few years.... but no one has brought anything relatively new to it as far as elevating and taking it to a another level. There's really no one. Scarface said that dudes can practically fart on a record and it will still sell.

http://www.ozonemag.com/2010/05/13/scarface-speaks-on-vh1s-dirty-south-hip-hop-honors/

And that's really sad to hear from a legend. I'm still waiting to see when someone is going to release an album which forces

other rappers to step their game up in order to be recognized talent-wise.

 

[Mdizzle9000]

i aint acceptin shit, imma just ignore it and listen to real shit

 

[bankrupt baller]

slaughterhouse and j cole are my shit at this moment and the same dudes who complain about new hip hop being garbage are some of the same dudes that wont even go check out these dudes......or they have some personal vendetta against budden so they hate the whole slaughtehouse and call them "daughterhouse".....especially wu fans.....them dudes are nice and if you think otherwise i dont know what direction to point you in for hot new sh!t........by the way if you havent listened to the BE3 yet,you phuckin up

 

[¿WeCoupDeLa?]

i grew up on this board, ive been lurking/posting since i was in 8th grade and this is one of the realest posts ive seen thus far.

obviously ive been heavy into this since i was very young and have always taken it more seriously (studied the greats, basically over-analyzed the new shit like everyone here) than my friends and peers, but listening to drakes shit last night this is exactly how i was feeling. i was shocked to say it but that shit feels to me how all the old niggas were talking about illmatic feeling to them. nas was 19 talking about growing up in the city in the 90's and trying to make so all of y'all who were 16-25 at that time felt it more than anyone could ever understand. i am 18, a sophmore in college, and chasing success and tryna fuck everything that moves the same way drake is while struggling to remain true to my values and what ive always considered real hip-hop. the shit he is saying about women, and growin up, and success speaks to me more than y'all could understand.

hip-hop is a youth culture, the youth determine who is "real hip-hop" not grown ass men who are still holding on to their youths. my favorite rappers are Jay, Andre 3000, Kanye, and Lupe and if you would have asked me my favorite albums i would have said The Black Album, Food & Liquor, College Dropout and Aquemini but I can't say i've felt anything as much as i'm feeling drake's shit right now. y'all need to understand what's happening and im really glad that the t/s started this. the way that yall are looking at shit is backwards. its not 94 anymore, glad the t/s realized that, and the rest of yall need to, too.

 

[JokerzWyld]

i grew up on this board, ive been lurking/posting since i was in 8th grade and this is one of the realest posts ive seen thus far.

obviously ive been heavy into this since i was very young and have always taken it more seriously (studied the greats, basically over-analyzed the new shit like everyone here) than my friends and peers, but listening to drakes shit last night this is exactly how i was feeling. i was shocked to say it but that shit feels to me how all the old niggas were talking about illmatic feeling to them. nas was 19 talking about growing up in the city in the 90's and trying to make so all of y'all who were 16-25 at that time felt it more than anyone could ever understand. i am 18, a sophmore in college, and chasing success and tryna fuck everything that moves the same way drake is while struggling to remain true to my values and what ive always considered real hip-hop. the shit he is saying about women, and growin up, and success speaks to me more than y'all could understand.

hip-hop is a youth culture, the youth determine who is "real hip-hop" not grown ass men who are still holding on to their youths. my favorite rappers are Jay, Andre 3000, Kanye, and Lupe and if you would have asked me my favorite albums i would have said The Black Album, Food & Liquor, College Dropout and Aquemini but I can't say i've felt anything as much as i'm feeling drake's shit right now. y'all need to understand what's happening and im really glad that the t/s started this. the way that yall are looking at shit is backwards. its not 94 anymore, glad the t/s realized that, and the rest of yall need to, too.

Thanx for the C/S. I'm not saying anybody's music is bad, i'm just noticing this pattern. I agree with you that hip hop is for the youth, but what about the adults. Can we get some type of adult contemporary hip hop or something? Something that speaks to the older listeners. Eh, I guess we just got to find solace in the classics. I never would have thought that I would be like the generation of hip hop fans before me. I swore that the 90s would last forever. No diss to the new cats, but that 90s sound is unmatched.

 

[JokerzWyld]

i aint acceptin shit, imma just ignore it and listen to real shit

Wayne is the "new real" ask the kids on street.

 

[rapmastermind]

I see people on here complaining about the new wave of hip hop. Some even separate some of the new artists of hip hop from hip hop.

Denial is not a river in Egypt/Kemet. It exists within us all. It's time to face the truth. Question: How many times has Hip Hop Died? We aren't the first ones to say this. I remember in 97, when I was listening to Biggie, my older cousin approached and said, "that's not hip hop. KRS is hip hop." I looked at him like he was an idiot. However, now I see what he is going through. He grew up on Boogie Down, and he saw, what he believed to be, hip hop change for the worst. His transition from the hip hop of 80s to the 90s was one too difficult for him, and he now listens to R&B & Jazz music.

"Niggas want my old shit, buy my old albums" -Jay-Z

I see the same thing happening to me and my friends. In a discussion about Distant Relatives, my friend said "it's iiight but its not Illmatic." I'm thinking to myself "That's the point." We are stuck in a 90s warp, Hip Hop will never be that again. Hip Hop of today IS Lil Wayne, Jeezy, J. Cole, Wale, Lupe Fiasco, Slaughterhouse, B.o.B., Drake, Nicki Minaj, Flo Rida, etc. We either have to accept it or move on. All things change, including the music, for better or worse, but this is what it is now. We have to let it be. Scarface, Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, Outkast, etc were all good for their time, but their time is up. We live in new times now.

Their are Plenty of Hip Hop artist from the 90's that are still dominating the Genre. Jay Z, NaS, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, Outkast, Diddy are still doing it just to name a few. But I don't think you are looking at it the right way. For example, I'm 30 years old. I came up during the Golden Era of the Late 80's and of course the 90's. So I respect artist from both era's. Sure people from the 80's complained but mostly about commericalized 90's music like MC hammer, Sir Mix A lot and Vanilla Ice. The new corps of MC's got respect from the 80's cause they were dropping Classic Material. The Quailty of Hip Hop right now is horrible. And just cuz the youth is co-signing this trash doesn't mean people have to agree with it. Hip Hip is at a cross-roads. Sure its' a youth culture at it's core but it's also a very young genre. Hip Hop is about 30 year's old, my age. It's growing up. Hip Hop will no longer be dominated by the youth anymore. Mature Hip Hop is on a raise. Some of Hip Hop's biggest artist are pushing 30 or are in their 30's. Lil Wayne is what 27? KanYe is 33? These guys are my age so why is it a "Youth" culture when Rap's biggest artist are in their 30's?. The Biggest artist in Hip Hop are not teenagers. Their 30 year old grown men.

You said "Drake got more critical acclaim than Jay Z". Wrong. Jay Z won 2 grammies and serveral American Music Awards on his 11th LP. Drake has all the buzz in the world but it's doubtful "Thank Me Later" sells more than Eminem or Jay's last albums. Eminem and Jay Z who are both from the 90's era had the 2 highest selling albums of the year in Hip Hop and they are both 37 and 40 years old. This is telling me one thing, Hip Hop again is growing up. The Youth wants old heads like myself to stop dissing new Hip Hop. Sorry, I will continue to complain cause wack is wack. Your thread is on some "Well it's changed, deal wit it". If you love this artform then it's your duty to complain and not let this watered down trash continue to dominate the airways. The Funny thing is most of this new era shit ain't even selling either. These LP's are flopping all over the place and these artist can only sell ringtone. "Distant Relitives" may not has sold well but it was an experimental album from a Reggae and Rap artist with no real promotion or singles. Yet it's quailty surpasses most of the garbage being put out today. NaS went gold off an album called "N!@@A" in this era. NaS has sold more than Lil Wayne's career yet because he's from the 90's we are suspose to tune him out? No, Jay Z, NaS and Eminem are sparking the transistion from youth to adult Hip Hop. So again it's not a matter of "Moving on from the 90's", it's a matter of calling out wack shit that hurting the legacy of this great artform we call Hip Hop. One thing is for sure. The 80's and 90's will be the pillars of this artform. Even 100 years from now, we will look to those 2 decades to understand and define what Hip Hop really is. The best example if the change of quality is Drake. His debut album is suspose to the most anticipated Debut in Hip Hop right. Yet it's quality fails to match the most anticapted Debut's from my era, "Ready To Die, ILLmatic, It's dark and hot as hell, The Slim Shady LP". Those albums quality destory Drake's LP with ease. The truth is this era's quality is not holding up which inturn is hurting the genre.

 

[5th Letter]

Hip hop fans are accepting of damn near anything just as long as it has a catchy beat and chorus, I can understand why someone that grew up on Rakim and Kane have ill feelings towards the 90's but at least the 90's rappers in the mainstream for the most part had skill. These cats in the mainstream today suck and depend on the beat to carry them way too much, but with that said I have already accepted this change and hip hop is just gonna continue to get worse.

 

[dubzz]

Hip Hop might have advanced or evolved (as you put it). But that doesn't mean we have to accept these wack ass rappers that's popping up everywhere. Yes, we had them back in the day. But, they did not overshadow or overrun anything. For every Sugar Hill Gang and Kid N Play, there was a public enemy, a Grandmaster Flash, a Mellie Mel, a Big Daddy Kane, a Rakim, A Pete Rock. We don't have that now. The wackness done completely took over. And y'all need to stop using the excuse of Hip Hop evolving as a reason to accept garbage.

This - except I'd use devolved instead of evolved.

I think the biggest thing is that hip hop in the eighties and nineties was looked down on a lot more by the white masses. White kids were buying hip hop before, but it used to be more of a rebellious thing by white male teenagers. Old white folk were up in arms about what they saw as the destructive influence of hip hop.

Now you only hear a few Fox News commentators get angry about hip hop. Now the hip hop audience has become even more white, more feminine, and far more superficial. Now you have more and more mainstream radio stations that would never even think of playing hip hop back in the day, playing hip hop all the time - except its the Black Eyed Peas, Lil Wayne, Drake, and other lite aritsts. Now you have white grandmothers and mothers buying their children the latest Souljah Boy or Lil'Wayne or whatever wack artist their child has just heard on the radio or seen on tv. You now have white families whose children watch BET. The audience is more superficial so you have more superficial artists who cater specifically to them. None of this new audience has roots in hip hop, they have no idea.

 

[JokerzWyld]

Their are Plenty of Hip Hop artist from the 90's that are still dominating the Genre. Jay Z, NaS, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, Outkast, Diddy are still doing it just to name a few. But I don't think you are looking at it the right way. For example, I'm 30 years old. I came up during the Golden Era of the Late 80's and of course the 90's. So I respect artist from both era's. Sure people from the 80's complained but mostly about commericalized 90's music like MC hammer, Sir Mix A lot and Vanilla Ice. The new corps of MC's got respect from the 80's cause they were dropping Classic Material. The Quailty of Hip Hop right now is horrible. And just cuz the youth is co-signing this trash doesn't mean people have to agree with it. Hip Hip is at a cross-roads. Sure its' a youth culture at it's core but it's also a very young genre. Hip Hop is about 30 year's old, my age. It's growing up. Hip Hop will no longer be dominated by the youth anymore. Mature Hip Hop is on a raise. Some of Hip Hop's biggest artist are pushing 30 or are in their 30's. Lil Wayne is what 27? KanYe is 33? These guys are my age so why is it a "Youth" culture when Rap's biggest artist are in their 30's?. The Biggest artist in Hip Hop are not teenagers. Their 30 year old grown men.

You said "Drake got more critical acclaim than Jay Z". Wrong. Jay Z won 2 grammies and serveral American Music Awards on his 11th LP. Drake has all the buzz in the world but it's doubtful "Thank Me Later" sells more than Eminem or Jay's last albums. Eminem and Jay Z who are both from the 90's era had the 2 highest selling albums of the year in Hip Hop and they are both 37 and 40 years old. This is telling me one thing, Hip Hop again is growing up. The Youth wants old heads like myself to stop dissing new Hip Hop. Sorry, I will continue to complain cause wack is wack. Your thread is on some "Well it's changed, deal wit it". If you love this artform then it's your duty to complain and not let this watered down trash continue to dominate the airways. The Funny thing is most of this new era shit ain't even selling either. These LP's are flopping all over the place and these artist can only sell ringtone. "Distant Relitives" may not has sold well but it was an experimental album from a Reggae and Rap artist with no real promotion or singles. Yet it's quailty surpasses most of the garbage being put out today. NaS went gold off an album called "N!@@A" in this era. NaS has sold more than Lil Wayne's career yet because he's from the 90's we are suspose to tune him out? No, Jay Z, NaS and Eminem are sparking the transistion from youth to adult Hip Hop. So again it's not a matter of "Moving on from the 90's", it's a matter of calling out wack shit that hurting the legacy of this great artform we call Hip Hop. One thing is for sure. The 80's and 90's will be the pillars of this artform. Even 100 years from now, we will look to those 2 decades to understand and define what Hip Hop really is. The best example if the change of quality is Drake. His debut album is suspose to the most anticipated Debut in Hip Hop right. Yet it's quality fails to match the most anticapted Debut's from my era, "Ready To Die, ILLmatic, It's dark and hot as hell, The Slim Shady LP". Those albums quality destory Drake's LP with ease. The truth is this era's quality is not holding up which inturn is hurting the genre.

I was speaking of critical acclaim from critics. The review for BP3 have been.... EHHHH. Eminem won awards too, and he admitted the album wasn't up to par. Today's hip hop is not dominated by the artists you named. B.o.B had higher first week sales than the Veteran Nas, and Wayne's Carter III sold more than Nas' last 3 albums combined and received higher praise than both of Nas' last 3 albums (check Rolling Stone for more details). The culture is shifting to a younger audience. In fact, AHH did a editorial about how the genre is being marketed to 17 year old males.

Also, BP3's content was quite young for a 40 year old rapper who featured Kid Cudi, Drake, Young Jeezy, et all on his album. He's still making club bangers, which is odd, because a lot of 40 year olds don't go to clubs that play his music. Many of the 40 year olds i talk to go to clubs that play music from the late 80s and early 90s. Both Eminem and Jay-Z were outsold by BEP, which says a lot right there about where the genre is heading.

I feel what your saying otherwise. I'm not trying to shyt on the old rappers and what they are doing now, the point i was making is that the youth, the new fans, have chosen their favorite artists, and those artists run radio and video. The younger generation of fans praise The Carter II, among others, like we did Paid In Full, Illmatic, Ready To Die, etc. They are entitled to classics just like we were, no matter how much we feel it's bullshit. Drake's album is lukewarm, but watch how many young fans call him the best rapper alive and give his album classic status.

We can call this new music wack all we want to, but the truth is that the 80s cats did the same to us, so who are we to complain. We ruined hip hop just as much as the new generation is ruining hip hop. It's all in our minds.

 

[SCRATCHOFF]

Hip hop didn't change.... We did

 

[JokerzWyld]

Hip hop didn't change.... We did

Thats deep. You may have a point.

 

[SCRATCHOFF]

Thats deep. You may have a point.

Actually its not deep.. Its just the basic bottom line of the issue.... Once we all accept that it is US who did this and not some corporate machine then things can actually change..

I look at ninjas who cry about the music biz "corporate machine" the same way I look at those who cry about "the man" keeping them from getting a job... EXCUSES!!!

and we know excuses are tools of the incompetent...

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

They only say, "Hip Hop is dead," cuz the dope shit is underground.

 

[lamontbdc]

biggest difference today is the audience once execs figured that they din't have to only pimp the music off to black in the inner city and that suburb folks will eat this shit up the whole nature of the genre changed from more grimey street shti to straight party and dance you always gonna have your lane for some drug dealer rappers but not that many and not that many grappers will on a high level hip hops original audience young black males in the inner city have been skipped over

 

[SCRATCHOFF]

biggest difference today is the audience once execs figured that they din't have to only pimp the music off to black in the inner city and that suburb folks will eat this shit up the whole nature of the genre changed from more grimey street shti to straight party and dance you always gonna have your lane for some drug dealer rappers but not that many and not that many grappers will on a high level hip hops original audience young black males in the inner city have been skipped over

eh... don't agree... if anything the difference between then and now is that hip hop isn't a segegated division anymore. music companies look at hip hop artists are mainstream talent.It makes the pool harder and more difficult to "pop" ... Companies are still looking at the almighty dollar they don't care what type of dollar it is ..gangsta dollar or conscious dollar...