Hip Hop has changed, it's time for us to accept it.

[CMac]

I feel you. I was bumpin some ATLiens and The Infamous all day today.

There's no point in hating on the music that is out now, I sometimes can't even turn on my radio but I still got my old music when I need it

 

[aneed123]

I listen to it all so it doesnt bother me that much. If its wack dont listen. the thread starter is completely right with this thread. and to be real hip hop is real young person influenced..... which is reflected in todays music. young folk wanna thug, party, fuck and dance and thats what todays music caters to.

 

[JokerzWyld]

how is their time up when people are still highly anticipating their albums and they can still sell well in this sales recession?

Drake's mixtape received more acclaim than The Blueprint 3. A mixtape from a new comer received more acclaim than an ALBUM from a veteran. And Nas' highly anticipated Distant Relatives did 57,000 it's first week which is pathetic. B.o.B did higher numbers than VETERAN Nas w/ Damian Marley in this "recession." Today's generation of fans don't appreciate are taste in music, nor the taste of the generation before us (see KRS-1 & Buckshot for more details). Their taste is different from ours, i don't know if it's deficient, but it's different, and not my cup of tea. Our generation of hip hop fans is being treated like we once treated the generation before us. I know me and my friends don't appreciate Whodini and UTFO like some of the older cats. They don't see or hear Illmatic with the same ears we do. Shyt is changing out here. The artists and music we enjoy are fading into obscurity.

 

[Stew]

I see people on here complaining about the new wave of hip hop. Some even separate some of the new artists of hip hop from hip hop.

Denial is not a river in Egypt/Kemet. It exists within us all. It's time to face the truth. Question: How many times has Hip Hop Died? We aren't the first ones to say this. I remember in 97, when I was listening to Biggie, my older cousin approached and said, "that's not hip hop. KRS is hip hop." I looked at him like he was an idiot. However, now I see what he is going through. He grew up on Boogie Down, and he saw, what he believed to be, hip hop change for the worst. His transition from the hip hop of 80s to the 90s was one too difficult for him, and he now listens to R&B & Jazz music.

"Niggas want my old shit, buy my old albums" -Jay-Z

I see the same thing happening to me and my friends. In a discussion about Distant Relatives, my friend said "it's iiight but its not Illmatic." I'm thinking to myself "That's the point." We are stuck in a 90s warp, Hip Hop will never be that again. Hip Hop of today IS Lil Wayne, Jeezy, J. Cole, Wale, Lupe Fiasco, Slaughterhouse, B.o.B., Drake, Nicki Minaj, Flo Rida, etc. We either have to accept it or move on. All things change, including the music, for better or worse, but this is what it is now. We have to let it be. Scarface, Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, Outkast, etc were all good for their time, but their time is up. We live in new times now.

lol You had me all the way up till there. I dont believe their time is up including a couple others cause they still have the talent to put out great music and nobodys ever really "retired".

Distant Relatives is prolly the best album ive heard since The Fix. Idlewild was dope to me for what it was, along wit the Dre remix verses, Big Boi Lucious Left Foot bout to drop. American Gangster and Untitled were solid ass albums. I think Em bout to drop a gem.

I think Kanye and TI are big dogs and maybe Lil Wayne (but not much by the quality music). Jeezy is about to fall off here in a second, J. Cole is unknown at the moment, Wale put out a nice album, Slaughterhouse is promising but dont think theyll make it out the underground. Lupe got 2 nice ones, gainin momentum. None of these cats has taken spots from either of them cats you named except Mobb Deep lol

 

[JokerzWyld]

lol You had me all the way up till there. I dont believe their time is up including a couple others cause they still have the talent to put out great music and nobodys ever really "retired".

Distant Relatives is prolly the best album ive heard since The Fix. Idlewild was dope to me for what it was, along wit the Dre remix verses, Big Boi Lucious Left Foot bout to drop. American Gangster and Untitled were solid ass albums. I think Em bout to drop a gem.

I think Kanye and TI are big dogs and maybe Lil Wayne (but not much by the quality music). Jeezy is about to fall off here in a second, J. Cole is unknown at the moment, Wale put out a nice album, Slaughterhouse is promising but dont think theyll make it out the underground. Lupe got 2 nice ones, gainin momentum. None of these cats has taken spots from either of them cats you named except Mobb Deep lol

Again, i'm not saying i don't enjoy their music either. I'm saying the new generation of fans like artists like Wayne, etc, and they don't appreciate OUR taste in hip hop (I. E. Outkast, Nas, etc). Jay did great numbers but look who was FEATURED on the album (for marketing purposes, i'm sure). Even Nas had to put Wayne on the album to drop. Outkast sold lots of records, but not for doing hip hop. That's proven by Idlewild selling about 1/10 of what SB/TLB did.

I think even the older cats know this. I can tell by how they are grabbing up all these new guys for their albums, even though the new artists may not add anything significant to the track (See "Off That" by Jay-Z featuring Drake).

 

[qoolaide33]

I wouldn't necessarily say Hip Hop is changing, its whats popular is changing. No one was complaining about the dancing and shit until it became popular.

Hip Hop has a lot of different elements, and whats popular will always change. I like it.

I don't want everyone to sound like Kweli. I'm a big fan, but it has to be more diverse than that. I'm not praising Soulja Boy or calling Gucci's album a classic, but their music levels the playing field. Some artists give you things other artists can't or don't. I'm fine with that. I won't buy their album, but I'm fine with that.

 

[Stew]

Again, i'm not saying i don't enjoy their music either. I'm saying the new generation of fans like artists like Wayne, etc, and they don't appreciate OUR taste in hip hop (I. E. Outkast, Nas, etc). Jay did great numbers but look who was FEATURED on the album (for marketing purposes, i'm sure). Even Nas had to put Wayne on the album to drop. Outkast sold lots of records, but not for doing hip hop. That's proven by Idlewild selling about 1/10 of what SB/TLB did.

I think even the older cats know this. I can tell by how they are grabbing up all these new guys for their albums, even though the new artists may not add anything significant to the track (See "Off That" by Jay-Z featuring Drake).

I aint even say nothing about all that homie. lol Im talkin about strickly music. Everybody im talkin bout been got them mutli plaques in the can that these new niggas wont get a chance to see.

and Jay been puttin that "new" nigga on his shit his whole career lol

 

[Mrslim1]

Hip Hop aint changed . Hip Hop began as the the least musical form of music and remains the least musical form of music .

 

[jrod44]

I agree with this. I grew up in the 90's and I personally think that era will never be touched but I don't dislike the new stuff by any means. I feel like hip hop purists or whatever need to move on also, your ass got old, the music stayed young and fresh. Most people might call this new stuff wack but I think it's cool, I roll with the punches and keep it moving. If I wanna hear "all the way turnt up" then that's what it is, I am not screamin damn what would tupac think? Or that hip hop died. If you want lyricism there is plenty out there to focus on stuff you don't like. Just like dude said people were screamin what people regard as classic today as wack when it was coming out.

 

[JokerzWyld]

I aint even say nothing about all that homie. lol Im talkin about strickly music. Everybody im talkin bout been got them mutli plaques in the can that these new niggas wont get a chance to see.

and Jay been puttin that "new" nigga on his shit his whole career lol

You were arguing their relevance, right? That shows how relevant they are. They are so relevant that they can't even release their own material without some gimmick or feature to market it. In contrast to the 90s when these Emcees could release the albums they wanted to. Shook One II used to be on the radio, would it make it on the radio today if it just came out? What about Nas' "The World Is Yours" or Jay-Z's "Dead Presidents." The only thing keeping them around is their relationships with these new artists or some type of gimmick.

This isn't the 90s when "strictly the music" mattered. So much more goes into a successful artist than how good they are at making music. Why do you think Wayne is more relevant than most of the legends? He's nowhere near the caliber of a Rakim, but he consistently outsells the vets and gets more praise and critical acclaim. This is the state of hip hop music, and the only ones who think this is a problem is us, the new fans and new artists think everything is fine and dandy.

 

[skeep]

HipHop is a musical artform and art always evolves and changes. It was changing from day 1. Deal with that. There are plenty of great artists for every particular taste.

if you like radio HipHop turn on the radio, if you like political- get the new Public Enemy, Immortal Technique or Dead Prez, if you love stories get Atmosphere or Brother Ali, if you love boom bap true school get the new KRS, ILLUS, FREDDIE FOXXX or SEAN P.

There is so much to choose from. Rap fans can be so blind.

 

[south4life]

@JokerzWyld

Thank You For Breaking That Down For Everybody!

That's what people don't understand, Hip Hop changes with time.

What we thought was Hip Hop to us growing up our kids, nephews, nieces or lil cousins think that it's weird and this is the real hip hop.

Remember us 90's kids when we would listen to Snoop Dogg, Nas, Pac, B.I.G., Wu-Tang, Scarface, UGK and JD, our older siblings, parents or older cousins would look at us and say that's not Hip Hop. To them Hip Hop was still Run-DMC, BDK, Rakim, Slick Rick and Doug E.Fresh. It's the evolution of life.

I'm not saying I like this Generation of Hip Hop but, I understand how they feel about their music. U couldn't tell me that 90's Hip Hop wasn't the shit, that's how they feel today.

That's why it's selling, the kids are loving this and this is their Generation of Hip Hop. That's why I listen to my old cds more.

 

[JokerzWyld]

I wouldn't necessarily say Hip Hop is changing, its whats popular is changing. No one was complaining about the dancing and shit until it became popular.

Hip Hop has a lot of different elements, and whats popular will always change. I like it.

I don't want everyone to sound like Kweli. I'm a big fan, but it has to be more diverse than that. I'm not praising Soulja Boy or calling Gucci's album a classic, but their music levels the playing field. Some artists give you things other artists can't or don't. I'm fine with that. I won't buy their album, but I'm fine with that.

I feel this post. I wish their would be more balance. You could ATCQ & Hammer playing on the same radio station back then, but not now. Now it's all Hammer and no ATCQ (analogy, not literally).

 

[Bolts179]

I agree with the t/s. hip hop has changed...just as everything else around us has. i've accepted it.

 

[Bully_Pulpit]

Theres nothing to do but accept it, you cant control it. Hip-hop aint dead, but its souls been ripped out

 

[bigbadbossup99]

I see people on here complaining about the new wave of hip hop. Some even separate some of the new artists of hip hop from hip hop.

Denial is not a river in Egypt/Kemet. It exists within us all. It's time to face the truth. Question: How many times has Hip Hop Died? We aren't the first ones to say this. I remember in 97, when I was listening to Biggie, my older cousin approached and said, "that's not hip hop. KRS is hip hop." I looked at him like he was an idiot. However, now I see what he is going through. He grew up on Boogie Down, and he saw, what he believed to be, hip hop change for the worst. His transition from the hip hop of 80s to the 90s was one too difficult for him, and he now listens to R&B & Jazz music.

"Niggas want my old shit, buy my old albums" -Jay-Z

I see the same thing happening to me and my friends. In a discussion about Distant Relatives, my friend said "it's iiight but its not Illmatic." I'm thinking to myself "That's the point." We are stuck in a 90s warp, Hip Hop will never be that again. Hip Hop of today IS Lil Wayne, Jeezy, J. Cole, Wale, Lupe Fiasco, Slaughterhouse, B.o.B., Drake, Nicki Minaj, Flo Rida, etc. We either have to accept it or move on. All things change, including the music, for better or worse, but this is what it is now. We have to let it be. Scarface, Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, Outkast, etc were all good for their time, but their time is up. We live in new times now.

I don't agree with u at all. We shouldn't accept this wackness. I don't think the transition from krs-one to biggie is anything like what we're facing now. Hiphop barely has any perspective at all these days. As far as mainstream goes,most artists have no stance on anything. Straight corny. As far as your friend and the illmatic comment,distant relatives is better in my opinion. Never thought Illmatic was special.

 

[JokerzWyld]

I don't agree with u at all. We shouldn't accept this wackness. I don't think the transition from krs-one to biggie is anything like what we're facing now. Hiphop barely has any perspective at all these days. As far as mainstream goes,most artists have no stance on anything. Straight corny. As far as your friend and the Illmatic comment,distant relatives is better in my opinion. Never thought Illmatic was special.

Yeah i shocked when my boy said that, Distant Relatives was in no way developed to be anything like Illmatic. Why even compare the two? Anyway, hip hop is in its cycle of change where it's transitioning from generation to generation. Just as the older cats from 80s thought the 90s was bullshit, the NOW older cats from the 90s think a lot of the 2000s music was bullshit. SMH, it's crazy really. Can you imagine a generation claiming that Wale is the GOAT, and arguing with Wayne fans like we argue 2pac & Biggie or Jay Z & Nas?

 

[Bodhi]

I like the direction hip hop is headed with artists like B.o.B. and Cudi and Lupe.

 

[TMonroe]

Hip Hop might have advanced or evolved (as you put it). But that doesn't mean we have to accept these wack ass rappers that's popping up everywhere. Yes, we had them back in the day. But, they did not overshadow or overrun anything. For every Sugar Hill Gang and Kid N Play, there was a public enemy, a Grandmaster Flash, a Mellie Mel, a Big Daddy Kane, a Rakim, A Pete Rock. We don't have that now. The wackness done completely took over. And y'all need to stop using the excuse of Hip Hop evolving as a reason to accept garbage.

 

[brombonze]

hip hop is always evolving it's just that the 90's refuse to acknowledge anyone else. just look at how, whenever hip hop history is discussed the conversation begins and ends with the 90's.