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FrozenMind;731274 said:It does need to change still. We need ill lyrics over dope beats. Not crap lyrics over great beats. Distant relatives was good, but your friend was right, it was no illmatic. I wish someone would spit shit that ill over one of these new beats.
JokerzWyld;731309 said:Illmatic is a great album, so is Paid In Full, but would they get respect in Today's market? Would they get praise and hype from Today's critics? Would today's fans support those records?
Yesterday somebody had a thread asking "does Rakim have to be in every top 10." Many of the posters weren't familiar nor interested in learning about Rakim, even though he's one of the greatest emcees to touch a mic. The truth is Hip Hop is not what it once was. My cousin wants every album to sound like Criminal Minded, and he's not gonna get it. I want every album to sound like Illmatic, and it's not gonna happen. This generations classic album is The Carter II. This is the reality of the culture and the music.
JokerzWyld;731309 said:Illmatic is a great album, so is Paid In Full, but would they get respect in Today's market? Would they get praise and hype from Today's critics? Would today's fans support those records?
Yesterday somebody had a thread asking "does Rakim have to be in every top 10." Many of the posters weren't familiar nor interested in learning about Rakim, even though he's one of the greatest emcees to touch a mic. The truth is Hip Hop is not what it once was. My cousin wants every album to sound like Criminal Minded, and he's not gonna get it. I want every album to sound like Illmatic, and it's not gonna happen. This generations classic album is The Carter II. This is the reality of the culture and the music.[/QUOTE]
thats not a real classic though............there is nothing classic about the album.............some shit like "food and liqour" thats an example of our generation classic
FrozenMind;731334 said:All I want is the lyrics to be ill. I could care less how an album does in the market and I don't want any album to sound like any other classic album, I want it to be unique and have ill lyrics. There are not enough new albums mainstream or underground that are lyrically half as good as the 90s classics, and the few that are sound like they are copying someone elses style, and its not like the 90s classics were the height of lyricism. Lyrics can always improve and be better, but no one makes lyrically ill albums anymore.
tri3w;731340 said:JokerzWyld;731309 said:Illmatic is a great album, so is Paid In Full, but would they get respect in Today's market? Would they get praise and hype from Today's critics? Would today's fans support those records?
Yesterday somebody had a thread asking "does Rakim have to be in every top 10." Many of the posters weren't familiar nor interested in learning about Rakim, even though he's one of the greatest emcees to touch a mic. The truth is Hip Hop is not what it once was. My cousin wants every album to sound like Criminal Minded, and he's not gonna get it. I want every album to sound like Illmatic, and it's not gonna happen. This generations classic album is The Carter II. This is the reality of the culture and the music.[/QUOTE]
thats not a real classic though............there is nothing classic about the album.............some shit like "food and liqour" thats an example of our generation classic
I hear you man. Again, i'm not denying that. But listeners of today hail Carter II a classic like we did with Illmatic and RTD. It's a sad truth.
JokerzWyld;731255 said:I see people on here complaining about the new wave of hip hop. Some even separate some of the new artists of hip hop from hip hop.
Denial is not a river in Egypt/Kemet. It exists within us all. It's time to face the truth. Question: How many times has Hip Hop Died? We aren't the first ones to say this. I remember in 97, when I was listening to Biggie, my older cousin approached and said, "that's not hip hop. KRS is hip hop." I looked at him like he was an idiot. However, now I see what he is going through. He grew up on Boogie Down, and he saw, what he believed to be, hip hop change for the worst. His transition from the hip hop of 80s to the 90s was one too difficult for him, and he now listens to R&B & Jazz music.
"Niggas want my old shit, buy my old albums" -Jay-Z
I see the same thing happening to me and my friends. In a discussion about Distant Relatives, my friend said "it's iiight but its not Illmatic." I'm thinking to myself "That's the point." We are stuck in a 90s warp, Hip Hop will never be that again. Hip Hop of today IS Lil Wayne, Jeezy, J. Cole, Wale, Lupe Fiasco, Slaughterhouse, B.o.B., Drake, Nicki Minaj, Flo Rida, etc. We either have to accept it or move on. All things change, including the music, for better or worse, but this is what it is now. We have to let it be. Scarface, Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, Outkast, etc were all good for their time, but their time is up. We live in new times now.
weezyfgarbage;731401 said:Defeatist logic? That's hot. No but seriously, it's not about returning to the 90s, it's about progressing into the 2010s. Half the artists you mentioned won't even be relevant by 2015. So in reality, you're the one who's short-sighted lololol
JokerzWyld;731360 said:I'm not disagreeing with you at all here. My point was comparable to that old proverb: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound? Those albums didn't just sound good, they had impact on the culture and forced Emcees to step their game up, or so we thought. Imagine if they were released today, people would use them as weed plates while bumping The Carter II.
I know you like lyrics and I do too, but music's value is represented by the people who listen to it. This generation can't hear these classics, it's too beyond them.
CMac;731433 said:No matter how much hip hop changes I'm still gonna listen to my old classic shit, just like how my parents be listening to their old shit from there time.
JokerzWyld;731255 said:I see people on here complaining about the new wave of hip hop. Some even separate some of the new artists of hip hop from hip hop.
Denial is not a river in Egypt/Kemet. It exists within us all. It's time to face the truth. Question: How many times has Hip Hop Died? We aren't the first ones to say this. I remember in 97, when I was listening to Biggie, my older cousin approached and said, "that's not hip hop. KRS is hip hop." I looked at him like he was an idiot. However, now I see what he is going through. He grew up on Boogie Down, and he saw, what he believed to be, hip hop change for the worst. His transition from the hip hop of 80s to the 90s was one too difficult for him, and he now listens to R&B & Jazz music.
"Niggas want my old shit, buy my old albums" -Jay-Z
I see the same thing happening to me and my friends. In a discussion about Distant Relatives, my friend said "it's iiight but its not Illmatic." I'm thinking to myself "That's the point." We are stuck in a 90s warp, Hip Hop will never be that again. Hip Hop of today IS Lil Wayne, Jeezy, J. Cole, Wale, Lupe Fiasco, Slaughterhouse, B.o.B., Drake, Nicki Minaj, Flo Rida, etc. We either have to accept it or move on. All things change, including the music, for better or worse, but this is what it is now. We have to let it be. Scarface, Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, Outkast, etc were all good for their time, but their time is up. We live in new times now.
onepunch;731441 said:Hip Hop hasn't changed...we just lowered the bar..If a emcee is wack then he's wack...All running back are judged by the standards Jim Brown set; All b- ball players are judged by the standards Dr. J (not jordan) set; So EVERY EMCEE WILL BE JUDGED BY THE STANDARD RAKIM SET....AND ALL THESE NEW NIGGAS SUCK DONKEY DICKS....fuck it, I said it!
JokerzWyld;731421 said:Lol i tried so hard not to sound like a defeatist. I just wanted to show the parallels of the various generations in Hip Hop. Common's "I Used To Love H.E.R." was 1994's "Hip Hop Is Dead." It's the same thing happening over again. We think of 94 as one of the greatest years in hip hop, but Common was so critical of the hip hop being made during that time. Does that sound familiar? It's hard to imagine a group of people praising The Carter II like we did/do Illmatic, but it's happening. Just look at Itzgravitation for more details lol.
