Hip hop Double Standards?

[Peezy_Jenkins]

jeezy gets some of the same criticism but if u actually listen he's shown growth. wasnt nothing like the video for change the world or politically correct on the trap or die mixtape. it just is what it is. most fans have times of being hypocritical or wanting to see growth from one artist, and wanting another cat to stick to what he knows best, it happens with guys like tip too. but if the music's good, thats most important imo.

also i havent really seen jay be called a clown or laughed at for that tho, and he's not really heavily on it unless its reflecting obviously.

and being praised for shit u never did and not changin up content or taking chances are two completely different things

 

[5 Grand]

When most rappers start off they're struggling to get on. Many rappers come from broken homes.

By the time their second or third album comes along, they're not struggling anymore, or its a different struggle. They've made it out of the ghetto but now they're struggling in the music industry fighting to stay hot because if their rap careers don't pan out its back to the projects.

Nas had a tough transition. When Illmatic came out he was just a kid from the projects. After his first album got 5 mics and he was considered a success, his management team thought he should work with different producers to get a more polished, commercial sound. While Nas's second album sounded more polished, many of his fans thought he sold out. For his next two albums Nas couldn't find his lane.

That Firm album is a good example, he still had the skills to pay the bills but people didn't like the content. It was really his beef with Jay that helped him figure out where he belongs.

 

[_Goldie_]

In Jay's case, when a lot of people consider you the Goat/top 5, youre gonna receive more criticism than the avg rapper and held to a higher standard.

 

[Louis Devinear]

In Jay's case, when a lot of people consider you the Goat/top 5, youre gonna receive more criticism than the avg rapper and held to a higher standard.

But it's not solely about Jay or jeezy. I just used them two in general terms.

Take for instance a rapper like a Ross aside from the CO shit I fuck with some of his music. But since his debut album his content has never changed.

Then take a rapper like 50 who like Ross, since his debut never changed his content either.

But one gets a pass and the other gets demonized.

Some say 50 makes the same music over and over. But so does Ross.

So me personally I see the double standard. I just can't identify if it's region based or is a nation wide sentiment.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

again that comes down to is the music good imo

50 kept the same aggressive content but his music quality dipped

while most say the best of ross didnt even come til his 3rd and 4th album

 

[DOPEdweebz]

The difference between Ross and 50 cent musically is the beat selection, which has always favored Ross. Just sounds better imo.

I think persona wise people would rather fuck with someone who was a former CO than a guy whos an antagonist/ bully always trying to beef with someone. People got tired of 50 trying to beef his way into sales ten years ago.

 

[5 Grand]

The difference between Ross and 50 cent musically is the beat selection, which has always favored Ross. Just sounds better imo.

I think persona wise people would rather fuck with someone who was a former CO than a guy whos an antagonist/ bully always trying to beef with someone. People got tired of 50 trying to beef his way into sales ten years ago.

You just explained why I think Ross is better than 50. I can't stand the beefing and picking on the little guy. New York was united before 50 came around. Jay and Nas had their little beef but it didn't get personal, it was just an MC battle. But when 50 came around he really made people pick sides and went out of his way to stop another man from making money. I don't like that. There's enough money to go around so everybody can get a piece of the pie.

And then 50 started dissing people that I like. He dissed Nas, Jadakiss, he even dissed Eve and I'm a pretty big Eve fan. I used to have a video show on the community access station in my home town and I used to get Eve videos from Interscope. I actually had a crush on her and then 50 started dissing.

My point is that he started dissing everyone that was popular. When you add up all the people 50 dissed (Ja Rule, Nas, Jadakiss, Fat Joe, Eve, Cam'ron, Rick Ross) , I'd rather listen to those people over G Unit.

To make matters worse, he ran out of things to rap about and Dre stopped making his beats.

 

[mryounggun]

I don't criticize anyone for rapping about the same thing over and over again. But I think the examples you gave are shitty because they are extreme. The VAST majority of the times when you see Jay these days, it's either it his wife and kid, doing some sort of business, at a fucking museum or some shit, etc, etc, etc. So I can see a LITTLE bit more why people clown him for rapping about moving dope (even though I think those people should stfu and just enjoy the music) more than a rapper like Jeezy.

You can't really say that Jay was ever a 'coke rapper', even though he rapped about it a lot earlier. He was more of a fly, slick talking, semi-mafioso, semi-coke rapper. Jeezy came in the game as a COKE rapper. He staked his claim to that in such a way that it's cool for him to stay in his lane. Same with a nigga like Pusha T.

And also, like someone else said, if you actually listen to Jeezy's lyrics over the last decade, his progression as a lyricist and as far as broader content is very clear.

 

[TheGOAT]

Why is it ok for some rappers to get passes and praised for some shit that they may have done or never did.

Or be like seven albums in and still make music with the same content and not really take chances.

For example: jeezy been making music based on trapping since his inception in hip hop. Yet because of where he's from he gets applauded (not by everyone) by the masses from his respective region and from other on the outside. Some call it innovative and say that that's his lane.

But if Jay Z makes an album or even a song with with content pertaining to drugs, killing or street shit. Niggas laugh at him. And call him all types of clowns for making that type of music.

But when he make music about his rich problems niggas still do the same. People from his region fuck with it and understand the growth but those on the outside seem to be the ones throwing the most shade.

Agree or disagree? When it comes to hip hop and fans do you guys feel like there is a double standard?

Thats one of my rap pet peeves.

A lot of great mcs can be so introspective & creative but at the same time settle for making dope dealing songs when they are decades removed from that game.

Scarface is in my top 5 but even on deeply rooted he has like 3 or 4 tracks about dope dealing and hes pushin 50yrs old. The songs go hard but its like lazy or somethin.

Now when it comes to Jay rappin about million dollar artworks on his walls and wearing Tom Ford i just cant relate and dont fuck with that

 

[mryounggun]

Why is it ok for some rappers to get passes and praised for some shit that they may have done or never did.

Or be like seven albums in and still make music with the same content and not really take chances.

For example: jeezy been making music based on trapping since his inception in hip hop. Yet because of where he's from he gets applauded (not by everyone) by the masses from his respective region and from other on the outside. Some call it innovative and say that that's his lane.

But if Jay Z makes an album or even a song with with content pertaining to drugs, killing or street shit. Niggas laugh at him. And call him all types of clowns for making that type of music.

But when he make music about his rich problems niggas still do the same. People from his region fuck with it and understand the growth but those on the outside seem to be the ones throwing the most shade.

Agree or disagree? When it comes to hip hop and fans do you guys feel like there is a double standard?

Thats one of my rap pet peeves.

A lot of great mcs can be so introspective & creative but at the same time settle for making dope dealing songs when they are decades removed from that game.

Scarface is in my top 5 but even on deeply tooted he has like 3 or 4 tracks about dope dealing and hes pushin 50yrs old. The songs go hard but its like lazy or somethin.

Now when it comes to Jay rappin about million dollar artworks on his walls and wearing Tom Ford i just cant relate and dont fuck with that

I see what you mean and I agree SOMEWHAT, but Jay said some real shit that resonated with me when he as asked that question:

'How far can you every REALLY be removed from your life story?'

If something was a big part of your life from like 16 - 26 or whatever the fuck, I don't think you're ever really removed from it totally. You might not DO it anymore. But those thoughts and feelings and sensibilities and memories and lessons are still there.

Should they just ignore all that?

 

[Louis Devinear]

The difference between Ross and 50 cent musically is the beat selection, which has always favored Ross. Just sounds better imo.

I think persona wise people would rather fuck with someone who was a former CO than a guy whos an antagonist/ bully always trying to beef with someone. People got tired of 50 trying to beef his way into sales ten years ago.

You just explained why I think Ross is better than 50. I can't stand the beefing and picking on the little guy. New York was united before 50 came around. Jay and Nas had their little beef but it didn't get personal, it was just an MC battle. But when 50 came around he really made people pick sides and went out of his way to stop another man from making money. I don't like that. There's enough money to go around so everybody can get a piece of the pie.

And then 50 started dissing people that I like. He dissed Nas, Jadakiss, he even dissed Eve and I'm a pretty big Eve fan. I used to have a video show on the community access station in my home town and I used to get Eve videos from Interscope. I actually had a crush on her and then 50 started dissing.

My point is that he started dissing everyone that was popular. When you add up all the people 50 dissed (Ja Rule, Nas, Jadakiss, Fat Joe, Eve, Cam'ron, Rick Ross) , I'd rather listen to those people over G Unit.

To make matters worse, he ran out of things to rap about and Dre stopped making his beats.

We not talking about liking an artist based off persona. We speaking on double standards when it comes to music.

Why does rapper A get a pass for repetitive content but rapper B doesn't?

Someone in this thread mentioned Ross picks better beats than 50 and I actually agree. Ross beats be fire. But his content been the same since port of Miami. Same with 50. His content has been the same since he been on the scene.

Again put the persona to the side and be objective. Why does rapper A get a pass and rapper B doesn't?

And this thread isn't solely about jeezy, Jay, Ross or 50.

It's about all rappers.

 

[5 Grand]

The difference between Ross and 50 cent musically is the beat selection, which has always favored Ross. Just sounds better imo.

I think persona wise people would rather fuck with someone who was a former CO than a guy whos an antagonist/ bully always trying to beef with someone. People got tired of 50 trying to beef his way into sales ten years ago.

You just explained why I think Ross is better than 50. I can't stand the beefing and picking on the little guy. New York was united before 50 came around. Jay and Nas had their little beef but it didn't get personal, it was just an MC battle. But when 50 came around he really made people pick sides and went out of his way to stop another man from making money. I don't like that. There's enough money to go around so everybody can get a piece of the pie.

And then 50 started dissing people that I like. He dissed Nas, Jadakiss, he even dissed Eve and I'm a pretty big Eve fan. I used to have a video show on the community access station in my home town and I used to get Eve videos from Interscope. I actually had a crush on her and then 50 started dissing.

My point is that he started dissing everyone that was popular. When you add up all the people 50 dissed (Ja Rule, Nas, Jadakiss, Fat Joe, Eve, Cam'ron, Rick Ross) , I'd rather listen to those people over G Unit.

To make matters worse, he ran out of things to rap about and Dre stopped making his beats.

We not talking about liking an artist based off persona. We speaking on double standards when it comes to music.

Why does rapper A get a pass for repetitive content but rapper B doesn't?

Someone in this thread mentioned Ross picks better beats than 50 and I actually agree. Ross beats be fire. But his content been the same since port of Miami. Same with 50. His content has been the same since he been on the scene.

Again put the persona to the side and be objective. Why does rapper A get a pass and rapper B doesn't?

And this thread isn't solely about jeezy, Jay, Ross or 50.

It's about all rappers.

The reason rapper A gets a pass and rapper B doesn't is because of their persona.

 

[SELASI_i]

As artists they may feel better about doing what they are best at. It may seem lazy or look like a cop out but that's what they bring to the table. you subscribe to their rendition of the art when you listen. When you watch a Tarantino movie you know what to expect, a Stephen King is gonna give you horror, etc.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

At the end of the day double standards are a by product of personal bias. People dont want to admit it and will always have SELECTIVE criticism.

We've seen it this year on both sides.

 

[supergangster]

When most rappers start off they're struggling to get on. Many rappers come from broken homes.

By the time their second or third album comes along, they're not struggling anymore, or its a different struggle. They've made it out of the ghetto but now they're struggling in the music industry fighting to stay hot because if their rap careers don't pan out its back to the projects.

Nas had a tough transition. When Illmatic came out he was just a kid from the projects. After his first album got 5 mics and he was considered a success, his management team thought he should work with different producers to get a more polished, commercial sound. While Nas's second album sounded more polished, many of his fans thought he sold out. For his next two albums Nas couldn't find his lane.

That Firm album is a good example, he still had the skills to pay the bills but people didn't like the content. It was really his beef with Jay that helped him figure out where he belongs.

Gotta thank Jay for that one.

 

[Screwtape]

hip hop fans are generally massive hypocrites. Ive almost given up 'debating' online. You can get a few posts in with some fuckwit on a topic such as, lets say Jay cos he was mentioned, then you realise that the person youre 'debating' with is a huge Nas stan..or vice versa, and their opinion is massively skewed, often without them even seeming to realise

i do include myself in being hypocritical and biased, its a natural occurence, but generally i try and alleviate it as much as possible and try to remain impartial. Ive changed my mind on too many things over the years to let myself stick to one mindstate, and i really dont get this 'stanning and proud to be stan' business, if youre letting the fact that you enjoy a certain artists music take over your own common sense and god given right to have an educated opinion, kys

in fact if people are so proud to stan how bout we hand out stan badges next to peoples names? make things a lot simpler lol

but yeah as far as the actual topic goes, jay z has moved into different avenues, genres, collaborated with rock artists etc etc so then hearing about moving weight becomes more difficult to listen to, whereas someone like jeezy has definitely remained in their own lane. Though i am a jeezy fan and hes definitely grown as an artist lyrically, but its nice, and feels like a natural progression, whereas you know jay has strove to remain as relevant and popular as possible and it can dilute the feeling behind the music and leads to the listener becoming more sceptical. Again though, we are all pretty fickle, are going to give more chances to an artist who has heavily influenced us growing up, and could basically talk about this shit till we are dead.

 

[Screwtape]

FUCK jay z btw, ether day approaches, lmao

 

[aneed123]

In Jay's case, when a lot of people consider you the Goat/top 5, youre gonna receive more criticism than the avg rapper and held to a higher standard.

But it's not solely about Jay or jeezy. I just used them two in general terms.

Take for instance a rapper like a Ross aside from the CO shit I fuck with some of his music. But since his debut album his content has never changed.

Then take a rapper like 50 who like Ross, since his debut never changed his content either.

But one gets a pass and the other gets demonized.

Some say 50 makes the same music over and over. But so does Ross.

So me personally I see the double standard. I just can't identify if it's region based or is a nation wide sentiment.

Port of Miami sounds nothing like deeper than rap or any of his recent stuff. Ross switched Rosss style up and got Better lyrically

 

[natural born sinners]

When most rappers start off they're struggling to get on. Many rappers come from broken homes.

By the time their second or third album comes along, they're not struggling anymore, or its a different struggle. They've made it out of the ghetto but now they're struggling in the music industry fighting to stay hot because if their rap careers don't pan out its back to the projects.

Nas had a tough transition. When Illmatic came out he was just a kid from the projects. After his first album got 5 mics and he was considered a success, his management team thought he should work with different producers to get a more polished, commercial sound. While Nas's second album sounded more polished, many of his fans thought he sold out. For his next two albums Nas couldn't find his lane.

That Firm album is a good example, he still had the skills to pay the bills but people didn't like the content. It was really his beef with Jay that helped him figure out where he belongs.

good break down fam

 

[natural born sinners]

What I notice is this, if the music is dope the rapper usually gets more of a pass. For example when jay dropped "kingdom come" people ain't really give em a pass, where as when "American gangster" came out n that "blue magic" dropped he got the pass to talk that shit.

Same thing when rappers complain about the status of rap n new niggaS, if done right n in a dope song then is not so much "hating" as if the song was wack n the rapper talking shit just to talk shit...Like when joe budden dropped "who killed it" shit was hot so it didn't get that "this nigga just hating" treatment...same w jay and "DOA"