Hardcore v The Miseducation - Which LP is more important to hip hop?

[real_hh_rep]

Kim definitely paved the way since talking about taking it in the butt (yes yes ya'll) and sucking tons of dicks became a norm in a female rap from there. L.Hill became a part of big neo-soul movement (along with Erykah Badu and D'ANgelo) and her album had more impact on music generally than on hip-hop itself. Leaving quality off, her work is stronger and more remembered today.

 

[Focal Point]

She's awesome on the mic because she's not marketable? Fuck kinda logic is that?

And how isn't she marketable? You saying she's ugly on top of taking a backseat to Lauryn Hill, MC Lyte, and Queen Latifah?

I'm saying she has neither impact or influence, but she got talent on the mic

 

[Pun1sher]

All facetiousness aside, I think a more direct look into Kim's influence on hip hop needs to be taken here.

First off, she did not pioneer sex talk. H.W.A. did.

However, most people will argue that Kim did bring glam to hip hop...and feminized female rappers, by rapping about "girl" things...like fashion and all that other nonsense. However true this may be, it's still more than what anybody has said about Lauryn's LP, other than The Miseducation just being really, really good.

What did The Miseducation do for the game, exactly...other than just being really good?

 

[soul rattler]

What did The Miseducation do for the game, exactly...other than just being really good?

It opened the door and broke boundaries for how people view contemporary women in Hip Hop. Yes, MC Lyte, Queen L, etc. had proven to be lyrically solid as well as have depth and subject matter, but no one perfected their craft more than Lauryn Hill. It's a standard of how great female artists CAN be and it opened up an alternative to the objectifiable lane that Kim, Foxy, Trina, etc. embody.

That's impact versus influence.

 

[Pun1sher]

It opened the door and broke boundaries for how people view contemporary women in Hip Hop. Yes, MC Lyte, Queen L, etc. had proven to be lyrically solid as well as have depth and subject matter, but no one perfected their craft more than Lauryn Hill. It's a standard of how great female artists CAN be and it opened up an alternative to the objectifiable lane that Kim, Foxy, Trina, etc. embody.

That's impact versus influence.

This is all subjective. Like what was already alluded to in here before, Missy was the anti-thesis to Kim, Foxy, Trina and the like...before Lauryn was. By giving Lauryn credit for pushing artistry to the forefront, you're completely ignoring what Missy did in 1997...where she successfully combined rapping, singing, producing, and writing...before Lauryn did.

If a car stops on the highway, and another car hits it, then another, and another...and the chain reaction continues. You can't just pick the 2nd car, for example, and say that is what caused the accident. Using your logic, it would be Missy that changed the overall landscape of hip hop, in which female rappers INCLUDING Lauryn, were all able to follow.

Give credit where credit is due, faggot.

 

[I'm THAT guy...]

Nobody's perfect reminded me of when Missy had the game on lock, doing what a lot of artist are doing today

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one of my favorite songs, I think it's time Missy gets the credit she deserves for her innovation in hip hop and female rap too

Missy>>>>>>>>>

But back to the thread Miseducation is more important to Hip-Hop as a whole, I feel Hardcore did more as far as females rapping and keeping it just as gully as the men did plus it pushed "sex rap" to the front of the game for females

 

[Pun1sher]

Nobody's perfect reminded me of when Missy had the game on lock, doing what a lot of artist are doing today

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one of my favorite songs, I think it's time Missy gets the credit she deserves for her innovation in hip hop and female rap too

Missy>>>>>>>>>

But back to the thread Miseducation is more important to Hip-Hop as a whole, I feel Hardcore did more as far as females rapping and keeping it just as gully as the men did plus it pushed "sex rap" to the front of the game for females

Missy was the first female rapper to defy the odds, and be successful while NOT conforming to the formula that made Kim and Foxy successful. So she definitely deserves credit for breaking down THOSE doors.

Maybe I should have made this thread "Supa Dupa Fly vs. The Miseducation." But, niggas would still choose Lauryn's album because they're a bunch of bandwagon sheep, with no minds of their own and does everything the media tells them to do.

 

[soul rattler]

This is all subjective. Like what was already alluded to in here before, Missy was the anti-thesis to Kim, Foxy, Trina and the like...before Lauryn was. By giving Lauryn credit for pushing artistry to the forefront, you're completely ignoring what Missy did in 1997...where she successfully combined rapping, singing, producing, and writing...before Lauryn did.

If a car stops on the highway, and another car hits it, then another, and another...and the chain reaction continues. You can't just pick the 2nd car, for example, and say that is what caused the accident. Using your logic, it would be Missy that changed the overall landscape of hip hop, in which female rappers INCLUDING Lauryn, were all able to follow.

Give credit where credit is due, faggot.

lol @ Missy being the opposite of Kim and Foxy. Take a good look at the average Missy Elliot rap verse and she's on the same shit they were on, only she's not as attractive. Missy was the original Nicki Minaj. Get your mind right fool

 

[Pun1sher]

lol @ Missy being the opposite of Kim and Foxy. Take a good look at the average Missy Elliot rap verse and she's on the same shit they were on, only she's not as attractive. Missy was the original Nicki Minaj. Get your mind right fool

Oh, okay. So Missy has never shown what hip-hop can and should be and how it should be viewed in an artistic environment? ...the same shit that you're subconsciously giving LaurMAN credit for?

Fag, when are you going to DIE?

 

[soul rattler]

Oh, okay. So Missy has never shown what hip-hop can and should be and how it should be viewed in an artistic environment? ...the same shit that you're subconsciously giving LaurMAN credit for?

Fag, when are you going to DIE?

Missy's wasn't MORE artistic than Kim and Foxy's... it was just different. Lauryn Hill on the the other hand was on another level. Content wise it's not even close.

lol @ artistic enviroment. Music is art you dumbass

 

[Pun1sher]

Missy's wasn't MORE artistic than Kim and Foxy's... it was just different. Lauryn Hill on the the other hand was on another level. Content wise it's not even close.

lol @ artistic enviroment. Music is art you dumbass

You kaleidoscopic, bottom of the pussy hole faggot...if Missy was offering more than what Kim and Foxy was, in terms of the execution of the music, she IS/WAS more artistic than them, you little bitch.

Content was NOT your original argument, dick breath. You implied that Lauryn offered an alternative to the Kim's and Foxy's, because Lauryn was an artist, that didn't conform to the Kim and Foxy formula of sex. Does this not apply to Missy as well? Or better yet, was Missy not an artist?

Go back to Tha Corner. Oh yea, that's right. They ran your gay ass off.

 

[soul rattler]

lol he's so mad he's not even making a coherent argument.

 

[soul rattler]

thanks for the boosted post count tho

 

[Ibex]

Hardcore is a rap album, Miseducation is an R&B album with rap features....I would give Hardcore the edge because no female MC has made a rap album that is better, but there are a lot of R&B albums that are just as good or better than Miseducation.

 

[Pun1sher]

lol he's so mad he's not even making a coherent argument.

What am I suppose to be mad at, retard?

DEAD @ you implying "music is art", but using Lauryn's "artistry" as the primary reason why she's supposedly on "another level."

You make no sense at all, and that's why you flip flopped from talking about artistry...to content. ROFL.

I seriously wish you would fucking DIE already.

 

[Focal Point]

Nobody's perfect reminded me of when Missy had the game on lock, doing what a lot of artist are doing today

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one of my favorite songs, I think it's time Missy gets the credit she deserves for her innovation in hip hop and female rap too

Missy>>>>>>>>>

But back to the thread Miseducation is more important to Hip-Hop as a whole, I feel Hardcore did more as far as females rapping and keeping it just as gully as the men did plus it pushed "sex rap" to the front of the game for females

damn sir props on the drop, Missy was very official

 

[georgia boi]

I respect Jean Grae, but her not being marketable is ludicrous. Missy Elliott was not marketable either, but she found a market. When Missy came out, there wasn't anybody rappin' over the type of beats she was rappin' over. There wasn't a category that Missy could be put in stylistically. She didn't fall into the standard of what was sexy, she didn't have a popular rapper to vouch for her or give her that co-sign. She took a chance on a sound that had only found it's place in R&B with a producer that was still relatively new to the game.

I understand that Jean Grae isn't on a major, which limits her reach, but to say she's not marketable is a whole other argument.

 

[soul rattler]

I respect Jean Grae, but her not being marketable is ludicrous. Missy Elliott was not marketable either, but she found a market. When Missy came out, there wasn't anybody rappin' over the type of beats she was rappin' over. There wasn't a category that Missy could be put in stylistically. She didn't fall into the standard of what was sexy, she didn't have a popular rapper to vouch for her or give her that co-sign. She took a chance on a sound that had only found it's place in R&B with a producer that was still relatively new to the game.

I understand that Jean Grae isn't on a major, which limits her reach, but to say she's not marketable is a whole other argument.

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