George Lucas: "Hollywood is still RACIST" (Problems with getting "Red Tails" Made)

[Copper]

red tails have been on my radar since I first heard about it. and yes there are plenty of black screen writers out there but here rarely giving the chance

 

[CirocObama]

The wildest thing about this story is Lucas is basically saying anything with an all Black Cast has a Budget Cap. It seems Hollywood will not spend no more than 40, 50 Million on an All Black Cast. The fact Blacks have a budget cap shows you how racism is still strong in Hollywood. The Reviews are coming in and "Red Tails" is getting good reviews thus far.

No it's business. You're not thinking logically my dude. Even though i dislike it it's obviously business. If you wanna call out racism it should be to the audience that refuse to watch and support a movie, even if it's good, with an all black cast compared to a mediocre movie with a all white cast in it.

 

[CirocObama]

It's amazing, he really thinks there are no Black Screenwriters trying to write other types of films. It's not a matter of Black Screenwriters aren't writing other genre's, it's the fact Hollywood will not buy a screenplay from them that doesn't fit the stereotypical type of films they want Blacks to show. Good breakdown showing the box office. The fact is the excuses aren't holding up, they are using systematic racism to keep mintory theme actors, directors and films down. Check out this article:

"The 10 Black Films that may never be released"

http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2011/...-may-never-be-released-in-theaters-or-on-dvd/

Again it's a no brainer. Because black people will more than likely support those stereotypical movies more than they will a movie from the left. What movie do you think black people would go and see first Red Tails or a Hood flick? Which is why Hollywood doesn't wanna push out money and invest in movies that they think won't make them any money back. It's business.

If anything too you should be mad at all these so called black niggas in the industry not investing in those kind of movies instead of running arond the club tryna floss and making it rain.

I'm black too btw.

 

[cobbland]

It's amazing, he really thinks there are no Black Screenwriters trying to write other types of films. It's not a matter of Black Screenwriters aren't writing other genre's, it's the fact Hollywood will not buy a screenplay from them that doesn't fit the stereotypical type of films they want Blacks to show. Good breakdown showing the box office. The fact is the excuses aren't holding up, they are using systematic racism to keep mintory theme actors, directors and films down. Check out this article:

"The 10 Black Films that may never be released"

http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2011/...-may-never-be-released-in-theaters-or-on-dvd/

That's a lot of films sitting in production hell, yet bullshit by Seth Rogen is approved of with the quicknees.

Even Danny Glover is having a hard time getting his film about Toussaint L'Ouverture made.
Yes, the same Danny Glover who helped make Warner Bros over $900 million from the "Lethal Weapon" series.

And for the people complaining about "Red Tails" or its subject matter, how many films have been released in the past 20 years about World War 1 and 2, in addition to Steven Spielberg's "War Horse?" A film about a fucking horse. A horse.

This link gives a partial list of the War films Hollywood and other world studios have put out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_films

When a film chronicles the black experience in a world event, people get fatigued from the subject matter?

 

[Gnawledgeable]

It's crazy that we'll see this movie just to support it. If it wasn't for the controversy but the trailer looked decent, probably would've checked it out anyway.

 

[sdotcarter111]

Ever hear of Taharqa? Will is attached to this and it has yet to be greenlighted.

You're trying really hard to justify their racist practices by attaching it to businesses and profitability.

You talking about The Last Pharoah, and I heard of it last year. When it was announced the movie was in writing and pre-production phase and is scheduled for a 2013 release.

-1

I take it you have no idea who Octavia Butler is?

Or that the "Underworld" series was conceived by this man, Kevin Grevioux.

Octavia Butler is a writer, not a screenwriter. Why is she relevant to your point?

Don't answer that. She isn't.

Kevin Grevioux is a black screenwriter, yes. Why is he relevant to your point? He's been behind the writing of 3 screenplays, all of which have been greenlit by hollywood. Unless you have evidence he wrote all 3 for black actor casts and Hollywood changed the scripts, why are you even bringing him up? If anything the fact he's written these movies for white leads proves the opposite of your point and supports mine.

-2

Hmmmmm?

White casts are guarantees of successful films?

Nigga, who said that? For a cat who cares so much about writing you have no reading comprehension at all. I said white casts are "better" guarantees of money, meaning there is more earning potential with white casting than black casting, which should be obvious to anybody. No movie is guaranteed to make money no matter what, and nobody said it was. smh at me having to explain that

Arthur

Studio: Warner Bros.

Stars: Russell Brand, Helen Mirren, Jennifer Garner

Release Date: April 8, 2011

Budget: $40 million-plus

Worldwide Gross: $45.7 million

Cowboys & Aliens

Studio: DreamWorks/Universal

Stars: Daniel Craig, Harrison Ford

Release Date: July 29, 2011

Budget: $163 million

Worldwide Gross: $178.8

Conan the Barbarian

Studio: Lionsgate

Stars: Jason Momoa, Rose McGowan

Release Date: Aug. 19

Budget: $90 million

Wordwide Gross: $48.8 million

I Don't Know How She Does It

Studio: Weinstein

Stars: Sarah Jessica Parker, Greg Kinnear

Release Date: Sept. 16

Budget: $24 million

Worldwide Gross: $30.5 million

The Big Year

Studio: 20th Century Fox

Stars: Steve Martin, Jack Black, Owen Wilson

Release Date: Oct. 14, 2011

Budget: $41 million

Worldwide Gross: $7.4 million

The Rum Diary

Studio: GK Films

Stars: Johnny Depp, Aaron Eckhart

Release Date: Oct. 28, 2011

Budget: $45 million

Worldwide Gross: $21.6 million

Anonymous

Studio: Sony (U.S., most foreign territories)

Stars: Rhys Ifans, Vanessa Redgrave, David Thewlis

Release Date: Oct. 28, 2011

Budget: $30 million

Worldwide Gross: $14.8 million

Jonah Hex:

Co-financed by Warner Bros. and Legendary Pictures, this big screen D.C. Comics adaptation cost upwards of $40 million to make, but went nowhere in its high-profile summer slot. Film grossed just $10.5 million domestically and less than 500K overseas for a total $10.9 million. Warners canceled plans for a major overseas rollout after the film’s poor domestic showing.

Knight and Day (Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz)

Budget: $117 million

Box Office: $76.4 million

Fuck your list, next time read the post you responding to so you don't waste time googling and posting a bunch of irrelevant bullshit. So far all you've done is name black writers with no relevance to the argument at hand and twist words so your responses sound better. Whats really good?

And I wonder how much Cowboys and Aliens would have made with the cast of Soul Food in the leads. Zero duckets.

 

[sdotcarter111]

It's amazing, he really thinks there are no Black Screenwriters trying to write other types of films. It's not a matter of Black Screenwriters aren't writing other genre's, it's the fact Hollywood will not buy a screenplay from them that doesn't fit the stereotypical type of films they want Blacks to show. Good breakdown showing the box office. The fact is the excuses aren't holding up, they are using systematic racism to keep mintory theme actors, directors and films down. Check out this article:

"The 10 Black Films that may never be released"

http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2011/...-may-never-be-released-in-theaters-or-on-dvd/

You a co-signing ass nigga who will agree with anything regardless of where it comes from or if it makes sense.

 

[sdotcarter111]

That's a lot of films sitting in production hell, yet bullshit by Seth Rogen is approved of with the quicknees.

Even Danny Glover is having a hard time getting his film about Toussaint L'Ouverture made.

Yes, the same Danny Glover who helped make Warner Bros over $900 million from the "Lethal Weapon" series.

Whats your point? Everyone agrees that all-black films have problems being made. The debate is over why.

""I couldn't get the money here, I couldn't get the money in Britain. I went to everybody. You wouldn't believe the number of producers based in Europe, and in the States, that I went to," he said.

"The first question you get, is 'Is it a black film?' All of them agree, it's not going to do good in Europe, it's not going to do good in Japan."

Those are quotes from Glover. Does that sound like studios are hesitant to finance the movie because they, specifically, don't like black people, or because they're concerned about the earning potential in non-black markets?

I'll wait.

And for the people complaining about "Red Tails" or its subject matter, how many films have been released in the past 20 years about World War 1 and 2, in addition to Steven Spielberg's "War Horse?" A film about a fucking horse. A horse.

This link gives a partial list of the War films Hollywood and other world studios have put out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_films

Steven Spielberg has his own production company (Dreamworks) with enough juice to make any project he wants. He made the movie the same way George Lucas was able to make Red Tails, because he has cheddar and can make his own movies.

In addition to that, War Horse was a book/play that had already won a grip of awards in Europe before Spielberg even saw it.

You realize this also doesn't support your point in any way shape or form, right?

When a film chronicles the black experience in a world event, people get fatigued from the subject matter?

Nah. They [whites/asians/etc.] just don't care as much. Which you don't seem to be able to register.

 

[cobbland]

You talking about The Last Pharoah, and I heard of it last year. When it was announced the movie was in writing and pre-production phase and is scheduled for a 2013 release.

-1

Octavia Butler is a writer, not a screenwriter. Why is she relevant to your point?

Don't answer that. She isn't.

You must have amnesia.

You clearly state that "NO" film staring Will Smith will have trouble being green lighted.

I listed a film that Will is attached to, that is having production problems.

The most bankable man in Hollyweird having trouble getting a film green lighted?

Try again.

Writers books are adapted into movies. This has been done before and will be done again. Pay attention.

If one of her books are adapted into a film, she may be a consultant on that film.

Again, pay attention.

Sci-Fi is her chosen genre, and who's to say someone hasn't adapted one of her books for the big screen only to get rejected.

Again, pay attention.

Kevin Grevioux is a black screenwriter, yes. Why is he relevant to your point? He's been behind the writing of 3 screenplays, all of which have been greenlit by hollywood. Unless you have evidence he wrote all 3 for black actor casts and Hollywood changed the scripts, why are you even bringing him up? If anything the fact he's written these movies for white leads proves the opposite of your point and supports mine.

-2

You must have amnesia.

Your dumb ass asked how many black screenwriters are out there, did you not?

I mentioned Kevin, since you stated "blacks handicap themselves with the scripts they write."

Underworld doesn't fit into that "hood film" criteria that black screenwriters limit themselves to does it?

Nigga, who said that? For a cat who cares so much about writing you have no reading comprehension at all. I said white casts are "better" guarantees of money, meaning there is more earning potential with white casting than black casting, which should be obvious to anybody. No movie is guaranteed to make money no matter what, and nobody said it was. smh at me having to explain that

Umm, "nigga" you said it.

"Originally Posted by sdotcarter111 View Post

White casts are better guarantees of money because niggas will see white movies regardless (everybody will see white movies), and white people (as well as asians, latinos, etc.) won't necessarily see black movies.[B/]

And the word "guarantee" leads no room for failure.

Reach into that word and phrase bag.

Pull out "possibly", "more likely to," has abetter chance to" etc.

A better choice would be to say "films featuring a predominately white cast, are more likely to make greater sums of money, than films with coloreds."

Hence me listing the box office failures of the "surefire guarantee moneymakers."

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Fuck your list, next time read the post you responding to so you don't waste time googling and posting a bunch of irrelevant bullshit. So far all you've done is name black writers with no relevance to the argument at hand and twist words so your responses sound better. Whats really good?

And I wonder how much Cowboys and Aliens would have made with the cast of Soul Food in the leads. Zero duckets.

I didn't twist your words.

You stated them.

I quoted you directly, and you caught feelings in the process.

Your liberal use of the word "nigga" troubles me. But hey, anonymity allows people to do all kinds of shit.

 

[sdotcarter111]

You must have amnesia.
You clearly state that "NO" film staring Will Smith will have trouble being green lighted.
I listed a film that Will is attached to, that is having production problems.

The most bankable man in Hollyweird having trouble getting a film green lighted?
Try again.

Its in pre-production with a tentative release date. Thats called 'greenlit'. Do you think movies aren't greenlit until they are in the theater and niggas are eatin popcorn?

Writers books are adapted into movies. This has been done before and will be done again. Pay attention.
If one of her books are adapted into a film, she may be a consultant on that film.

There are hundreds of quality sci-fi books by every race that haven't been adapted into film. Why would anyone specifically be hunting for hers? Why is it more noteworthy that her books haven't been adapted to film than some white or South Indian sci-fi novelist?

Because she's black?

Sci-Fi is her chosen genre, and who's to say someone hasn't adapted one of her books for the big screen only to get rejected.
.

Who's to say they have? You? Saying it "might" have doesn't any relevance to the point or your argument. Proving a point requires more than for you to posit that some shit "might" have happened . You do understand that right? Scratch that, aint NO doubt that you don't.

You must have amnesia.
Your dumb ass asked how many black screenwriters are out there, did you not?
I mentioned Kevin, since you stated "blacks handicap themselves with the scripts they write."
Underworld doesn't fit into that "hood film" criteria that black screenwriters limit themselves to does it?

I asked how many black screenwriters are out there because I don't know how many are out there, not because I don't think there are any. Clearly there are far less than white ones.

Underworld doesn't fit into any hood movie criteria, no, but i'm still wondering why Kevin is relevant to the argument of all-black casts and why they have trouble being produced. Did he write it for an all-black cast? No. Has he ever had trouble getting a script bought? No. He's not relevant to this thread at all. We're discussing all-black films, who's behind them, and why they have trouble being made.

And the word "guarantee" leads no room for failure.
Reach into that word and phrase bag.
Pull out "possibly", "more likely to," has abetter chance to" etc.

A better choice would be to say "films featuring a predominately white cast, are more likely to make greater sums of money, than films with coloreds."

Hence me listing the box office failures of the "surefire guarantee moneymakers."

Anybody reading the words "better guarantee" should not need it explained that the "better" is modifying the phrase from the singular word "guarantee". If you truly needed that spelled out than this has been a waste of my time as you have no reading comprehension whatsoever.

 

[cobbland]

Its in pre-production with a tentative release date. Thats called 'greenlit'.

There are hundreds of quality sci-fi books by every race that haven't been adapted into film. Why would anyone specifically be hunting for hers? Why is it more noteworthy that her books haven't been adapted to film than some white or South Indian sci-fi novelist?

Because she's black?

Who's to say they have? You? Saying it "might" have doesn't any relevance to the point or your argument. Proving a point requires more than for you to posit that some shit "might" have happened . You do understand that right? Scratch that, aint NO doubt that you don't.

I asked how many black screenwriters are out there because I don't know how many are out there, not because I don't think there are any. Clearly there are far less than white ones.

Underworld doesn't fit into any hood movie criteria, no, but i'm still wondering why Kevin is relevant to the argument of all-black casts and why they have trouble being produced. Did he write it for an all-black cast? No. Has he ever had trouble getting a script bought? No. He's not relevant to this thread at all. We're discussing all-black films, who's behind them, and why they have trouble being made.

Anybody reading the words "better guarantee" should not need it explained that the "better" is modifying the phrase from the singular word "guarantee". If you truly needed that spelled out than this has been a ginormous waste of time on my part as you have no reading comprehension whatsoever.

Since you don't care about "all black films" with "all black casts," why are you wasting so much time arguing about the quality or scope of these films?
You're not going to support them, right?

 

[Wild Self]

The problem with Hollywood from the last 10 years is they want an "All or Nothing" mentality. Meaning that if your movie ain't doing Avatar or The Dark Knight numbers, you get shitted on. That's why you see so many straight-to-DVDs of sequels and from old ass action stars (Val Kilmer). Black Movies hardly gross in those numbers, so during the last 10 years or so, been getting the shaft.

 

[sdotcarter111]

Since you don't care about "all black films" with "all black casts," why are you wasting so much time arguing about the quality or scope of these films?
You're not going to support them, right?

I say "white people don't care about all-black films", you say "so sdotcarter don't care about all-black films".

I say "white casts are better guarantees", you say "so sdotcarter think white casts are guarantees".

I ask "who is pitching sci-fi films for all-black casts", you say "I dont know but it could have happened".

Keep going fam, this is getting funny. Never seen a nigga write with dyslexia before.

 

[cobbland]

I say "white people don't care about all-black films", you say "so sdotcarter don't care about all-black films".

I say "white casts are better guarantees", you say "so sdotcarter think white casts are guarantees".

I ask "who is pitching sci-fi films for all-black casts", you say "I dont know but it could have happened".

Keep going fam, this is getting funny. Never seen a nigga write with dyslexia before.

You're funny, keep at it.

 

[darkrain]

Not surprised but there are too many shitty actors in that movie and the trailer looks looks horrible. Not because America is racist.

I won't see that whack ass movie.

I'm black but I hate to see some people said "Gotta support black films". How about give me a good ass movie.

If they bring A Star like Will Smith and Deznel Washington and Forest Whitaker, Don Cheadle. I am sure everybody wanna see it but who the hell wants to watch Terrance Howard's corny ass anymore anyway and washed up Cuba Gooding Jr? they even have Ne-Yo and Method Man.....that said something a lot.

*Hollywood won't fund "black" movie*

*Movie comes out, no one goes to see it*

*White Hollywood is proven right*

Funny, I remember me and my friend went to see The Great Debaters and there are few black people like 5 black people but a bunch of white people. I guess Black People wanna see dumb ass movie and they didn't even support black films like you guys said. So stop saying ,"Gotta support black films" so better to say "gotta support good films".

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Paul Mooney: I mean Hollywood is crazy. The Last Samurai starring...Tom Cruise? He's the last samurai? Give me a break, that movie was offensive. First they had The Mexican with Brad Pitt and now they have The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise.

Well I've written a film, maybe they'll produce my film: The Last Niigga On Earth starring Tom Hanks. How about that?

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

And darkrain just owned this thread

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Not surprised but there are too many shitty actors in that movie and the trailer looks looks horrible. Not because America is racist.

I won't see that whack ass movie.

I'm black but I hate to see some people said "Gotta support black films". How about give me a good ass movie.

If they bring A Star like Will Smith and Deznel Washington and Forest Whitaker, Don Cheadle. I am sure everybody wanna see it but who the hell wants to watch Terrance Howard's corny ass anymore anyway and washed up Cuba Gooding Jr? they even have Ne-Yo and Method Man.....that said something a lot.

*Hollywood won't fund "black" movie*

*Movie comes out, no one goes to see it*

*White Hollywood is proven right*

Funny, I remember me and my friend went to see The Great Debaters and there are few black people like 5 black people but a bunch of white people. I guess Black People wanna see dumb ass movie and they didn't even support black films like you guys said. So stop saying ,"Gotta support black films" so better to say "gotta support good films".

You aint even watched it tho? lol

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

And anybody saying these studios are justified in not putting out movies centered around positvie black characters because of the "earning potential" issue sounds crazy and low key coonish ...hollywood puts out "indie esque" movies all the time ...movies they know wont turn a major profit (or i should say they dont expect to turn a major profit) but will get them that so desired "oscar buzz" giving these major studios that feel of still being grounded within the art of film making ...its like a mainstream rapper doing the obligatory conscious track for an album to show their still connected to the roots ... but ultimately its just some bullshit ...these movie studios dont want to put out certain images of black people on the whole that diplay us in roles more than secondary or subservient in fear of upsetting the masses loosing fanbase etc etc ...all that other bullshit is for the birds

 

[KingJamal]

Paul Mooney: I mean Hollywood is crazy. The Last Samurai starring...Tom Cruise? He's the last samurai? Give me a break, that movie was offensive. First they had The Mexican with Brad Pitt and now they have The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise.

Well I've written a film, maybe they'll produce my film: The Last Niigga On Earth starring Tom Hanks. How about that?

Classic lol