George Lucas: "Hollywood is still RACIST" (Problems with getting "Red Tails" Made)

[blackrain]

Yea but Blacks only make up 13/% of the population. We watch everything regardless of the color of the cast. It's already been proven that sadly Whites do not watch Black Cast as much as they do White Cast. But I agree we need to support films like this or films like the ones Spike makes instead of always going for the typical stereotyped Token Black Roles or comedies that Hollywood forces down our throats. As far as Black Directors, here are the highest Grossing Films by a Black Director:

#1. Scary Movie - 157,019,771 - Keenon Ivory Waynes

#2. The Fantastic Four 154,696,080 - Tim Story

#3. The Fantastic Four 2 131,921,738 - Tim Story

#4. 2 Fast, 2 Furious 127,154,901- John Singleton

#5. The Italian Job 106,128,601 - F. Gary Grey

#6. Medea Goes To Jail 90,508,336 - Tyler Perry

#7. Inside Man 88,513,495 - Spike Lee

Spike got the Best Film out of all of them and SMH @ Tim Story getting fired after having 2 successful films in the Fantastic Four Series. Wow @ Keenon have the #1 grosser for a Black Director.

I agree with everything you're saying, but those Fantastic 4 movies were terrible

 

[blackrain]

I'm not saying they were good movies, I'm talking about the business aspect of it. A Black Director got a 100 Million budget and broke over 300 Million WW both times, the quality aside, he did what he had to do for the business of making movies yet he is no longer the director of that franchise.

You think people would have gone to see a 3rd Fantastic 4 film after how horrible the first 2 were with the same director? That would have been bad for business...and

is a great movie too

 

[blackrain]

And Spike Lee didn't almost go broke over Malcom X, he just gave up a good portion of his salary

 

[rage]

films with predominately white casts bomb every day though.....and who's to say what movie will flop nowadays, times are changing

Yes, but in this country there are more whites than blacks. Whites will identify and relate to whites on screen, other nationalities in this country are also brainwashed into thinking anything white is good. Hence there are always going to be more "white" films than "black" films....I mean how many "latino" movies are there?

 

[rage]

1. The point about Bad Boys was it stared 2 Blacks in lead roles and it was a success and "Bad Boys II" had over 100 Million dollar budget, both films were made by Michael Bay and produced by Jerry bruckhimer so again there is no proof that an all Black Cast with a Big Budget can't succeed, if Hollywood never did it? how will they know?, I know Bad Boys isn't a Black Movie but again it's Blockbuster where the main roles are black actors. You can't say it's business if you never tried it.

2. Wood Allen's films in general don't do well at the Box Office reguardless of budget using your logic there should be more Black Films cause most Black films have low budgets and most of them make the money back yet there still an issue with them coming out.

3. Most Superhero summer Blockbuster aren't that great, the fact is the movie made money on the Big Screen and DVD, the fact is Black Directors have a lower threshold with flopping than White Directors do, I've never hear of a Director have 2 back to back 100 Million Dollar grosser's in a series and losing his job. If you can find out let me know? Also Tim Story is one of the few Black Directors that got a big budget and for the most part the films made their money back that they put in when you include Worldwide Numbers.

4. Glad you agree on Nick Cage, his uncle is Francis Ford Coppola that's why he will always have roles. But he isn't the only white actor that has had a chance to have countless flops and still have a career.

Bottom line the "It's Business" excuse doesn't fly, all that is saying is, "It's Business for us to continue to only support most white driven films and not give minority films the time or day" It's not just about blacks, it affects latinos and asians also. Look at "21" like someone said, a movie about asians students, look at "The Last Airbender" and "Dragon Ball" should of been more asians in those but all of them where white washed. if you don't see something wrong with that, then forget it. Especially since Hollywood has a long history of Racism. It was business in the 40's too to not include Black Actors. Hattie Mcdanield couldn't even go to the damn Oscars at one point. How long did Denzel get robbed for Best Actor. Spike has been blackballed yet his films are some of the best that a Black Director have made. George Lucas said what Blacks already know, Racism is still strong in Hollywood. I'm still Shocked Will was able to break through and become the biggest which is why I don't believe an All Black Cast with Will Smith staring couldn't be a success. They have to try it first.

Ok so the original point was why arent there any big budget black movies with predominantly black casts. Not wether black cast movies get made at all.

1) The original Bad Boys was a low budget movie that exceded expectations. So they gave it a bigger budget and in relation to Bad Boys one wasnt as large a return on investment.

2) The Woody Allen argument doesnt hold water because ALL his movies are low budget.....so it has no relation to there being no BIG budget black movies. Tyler Perry is the Woody Allen equivalent in the "black" film world/

3) This isnt an argument about content or whats good or bad. Superman Returns made $300 Million and Singer got the axe after one movie.

Ask yourself this why would a studio not produce a predominantly black casted movie it wouldnt make them pots of money ? What do they gain by that?

 

[aneed123]

I grew up in Tuskegee. I will go see it. All black folk should go see it just cuz of history and to support black actors. Hell black history isnt taught like it used to be so everyone with kids shoukd take em or rent Tuskegee Airman and watch it.

 

[desertrain10]

Yes, but in this country there are more whites than blacks. Whites will identify and relate to whites on screen, other nationalities in this country are also brainwashed into thinking anything white is good. Hence there are always going to be more "white" films than "black" films....I mean how many "latino" movies are there?

blacks, asians, latinos, blacks we go to see movies with predominately white casts not because we are brainwashed but because a lot of people enjoy going to the movies and we don't have any choice...so i don't see why wouldn't white audiences would not go to see a "black" film... all we need is the opportunity to finally make movies other than hood flicks and historical dramas.. same could be said of films that would feature predominately asian, latino cast...

 

[rage]

blacks, asians, latinos, blacks we go to see movies with predominately white casts not because we are brainwashed but because a lot of people enjoy going to the movies and we don't have any choice...so i don't see why wouldn't white audiences would not go to see a "black" film... all we need is the opportunity to finally make movies other than hood flicks and historical dramas.. same could be said of films that would feature predominately asian, latino cast...

They dont.....its a fact...the fact that black movies are pigeonholed as "hood" movies and "historical dramas" should clue you into the fact that black movies are treated as niche products.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Movie looks just aight, but I'll support it if what he's saying is true.

 

[Dr.Chemix]

My man I'm peepin that shit...

and fuck hollywood...nothing but a group of racist ass white men with a thing for heroin and coke plus fucking little child stars

Yo...did that Malcolm X blu ray drop yet

That's an insta-cop right there my dude

But that Red Tails will be good

Funny though they got that Sambo ass Cuba Gooding, Jr in that shit

But I actually liked him in that Navy diver story...shit was pretty good...

 

[desertrain10]

They dont.....its a fact...the fact that black movies are pigeonholed as "hood" movies and "historical dramas" should clue you into the fact that black movies are treated as niche products.

hood and historical dramas are the only black films being green lite by the studios and wha white person really wants to pay to keep seeing janky promoters or the roots over and over if at all....why not give a movie like the matrix or borne identity with an all black cast a chance?...a good movie is a good movie...

can't see how u continue to defend this shit and claim its all about the money when actors like ashton kutcher or jennifer aniston star in flop after flop and still have careers yet black actors aren't even given a opportunity to succeed

 

[texas409]

every black persons should go support this

if they greenlit a dumbass movie concept like this summers battleship

then i know we can go out there and see a action movie about or black history

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Its not racisim, its business. Whites dont give a fuck about black casts and black themed movies and they make up the majority of the population so.

so how's this not racism again

 

[playmaker88]

Kinda annoys me when ppl say.. zippy shit like HOPE ITS DOPE!..

this is a movie based on real events historical context yadda, yadda.. while it wont be 100% factual,... this isnt Hangover .. its history i can understand what your are saying to a degree ... but appreciate one of our stories being told..

its common,.. an also a copout .. also annoys me .. to say "its not about race" its about.. class .. its about money..

 

[Catalyst2012]

every black persons should go support this

if they greenlit a dumbass movie concept like this summers battleship

then i know we can go out there and see a action movie about or black history

cosign to the FULLEST... Ima go see it too.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Kinda annoys me when ppl say.. zippy shit like HOPE ITS DOPE!..

this is a movie based on real events historical context yadda, yadda.. while it wont be 100% factual,... this isnt Hangover .. its history i can understand what your are saying to a degree ... but appreciate one of our stories being told..

cosign

I love this point

 

[desertrain10]

Kinda annoys me when ppl say.. zippy shit like HOPE ITS DOPE!..

this is a movie based on real events historical context yadda, yadda.. while it wont be 100% factual,... this isnt Hangover .. its history i can understand what your are saying to a degree ... but appreciate one of our stories being told..

its common,.. an also a copout .. also annoys me .. to say "its not about race" its about.. class .. its about money..

Word... lets support a positive black film for once. lol

And yea the whole argument that is not about race is bullshit...the truth is either the majority of white movie goers are prejudice/xenophobic/racist or that hollywood studios are either prejudice/xenophobic/racist... i choose the latter

Hollywood can make a movie about a pig, dolphin, horse or a goat but colored people are taboo unless they're the side kick, tribes men, in drag, a maid's uniform, or a thug. Its sad... They rather continue to produce super hero movies or romantic comedies with all white cast though most are flops...

 

[Will Munny]

I'm really excited for Red Tails!

 

[jay83]

The one from the 90's was a good movie as well.

Hated to see that death scene where homeboy couldnt bail out and everybody heard him die.

 

[Idi Amin Dada]

every black persons should go support this

if they greenlit a dumbass movie concept like this summers battleship

then i know we can go out there and see a action movie about or black history

Fuck the university of Phoenix, nigga.

I'm down with Everest, nigga. Everest, Nigga. EVEREST, NIGGA!