Ajackson17
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DWO;7414649 said:
With the infinite gauntlet he does
DarkRaiden
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jaxn;7414370 said:
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
DarkRaiden;7417438 said:
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?[/quote]
When has Doom tanked blasts from the IG? Do you even know what the word "tank" means? Saying anyone tanked a blast from galactus is moot because big G ranges from universal to being knocked out by Thing.
DarkRaiden
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jaxn;7418676 said:
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.
veikuri;7418894 said:
When has Doom tanked blasts from the IG? Do you even know what the word "tank" means? Saying anyone tanked a blast from galactus is moot because big G ranges from universal to being knocked out by Thing. [/quote]
Lol this is ridiculous. I enjoy the debates the DBZ universe brings out when compared with DC or Marvel.
That said one must realize that even a "weak" DBZ character like Krillin can move faster than light, he can fly and has superhuman strength.
So when we are discussing characters far more powerful than Krillin we are multiplying Krillin's abilities.
So while people question whether Doom can survive a planet busting attack...that's only one of many questions:
-Can Doom deliver an attack that can destroy a planet? (Frieza can survive such attacks)
- Can Doom move faster than light? (DBZ characters use light energy to attack so in order to dodge it you would have to move faster than light)
- is Doom stronger than Frieza using only his hands?
(Frieza can kill enemies with only his bare hands if need be)
Frieza is also a telekinetic and can move objects with only his mind and can transform becoming stronger and faster each time.
Not all characters in the universe of DC or Marvel have the same basic abilities but in the DBZ universe many things characters do like fly and manipulate energy are considered basic techniques.
So what I am saying is..while this sound fun in theory there really isn't much comparison on a real level. Whether it's superman, the hulk, whoever the basic powers of DBZ characters are unlike much seen in their own universe.
That said one must realize that even a "weak" DBZ character like Krillin can move faster than light, he can fly and has superhuman strength.
So when we are discussing characters far more powerful than Krillin we are multiplying Krillin's abilities.
So while people question whether Doom can survive a planet busting attack...that's only one of many questions:
-Can Doom deliver an attack that can destroy a planet? (Frieza can survive such attacks)
- Can Doom move faster than light? (DBZ characters use light energy to attack so in order to dodge it you would have to move faster than light)
- is Doom stronger than Frieza using only his hands?
(Frieza can kill enemies with only his bare hands if need be)
Frieza is also a telekinetic and can move objects with only his mind and can transform becoming stronger and faster each time.
Not all characters in the universe of DC or Marvel have the same basic abilities but in the DBZ universe many things characters do like fly and manipulate energy are considered basic techniques.
So what I am saying is..while this sound fun in theory there really isn't much comparison on a real level. Whether it's superman, the hulk, whoever the basic powers of DBZ characters are unlike much seen in their own universe.
The Lonious Monk
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DarkRaiden;7421095 said:
Where does it say that was a "planet busting" blast? Just because the Power Gem can generate that much power doesn't mean Thanos was using that much power with every attack.
NothingButTheTruth
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jono;7422458 said:
Y'all/Your DBZ arguments aren't making much sense. Explain why Goku died when Cell exploded if they can survive planet busting attacks.
Exhibit A:
If they move multiple times light speed why is the crowd and the announcer able to catch any of their moves?
Exhibit B:
If they have this unparalleled strength, why did Goku have to power up to lift 40 tons?
Exhibit C:
It seems like y'all are just saying things with no backing.
That other guy actually said DBZ operates on a different level than Marvel and DC, as if God doesn't exist in the Marvel and DC. Not to mention, far weaker entities like Death.
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NothingButTheTruth;7423876 said:
This is out of context considering Goku was in a weakened state at the time. He had expended all his energy fighting Cell in his Perfect state.
That said, early in the series Vegeta tries to destroy the Earth with his Galic Gun attack (which Vegeta could do) and Goku overpowered it with his kamehaha (using the kaioken times 4).
Mind you this is BASE Vegeta and Goku without the Super Saiyan transformations
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If they move multiple times light speed why is the crowd and the announcer able to catch any of their moves?
Exhibit B:
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So you ignore all the times they couldn't to point out one time they did? In the Cell Games the humans barely even saw flashes of light. In fact, one of the running gags on the show is Hercule (Mr. Satan) claiming they were magicians and illusionists who use light tricks and fake explosions.
But it's right here: Goku & Piccolo vs Raditz within the first few episodes of DBZ Raditz shows an ability to be faster than light, considering Raditz is both weak and slow relative to the development of other characters later it stands to reason that all Z fighters stronger and faster than Raditz are faster than the speed of light. Time: 4:50
You say this like 40 tons is easy to lift and the fact he powered up is irrelevant because...well he lifted it. He also trained in 100xs Earth's gravity (which means his body weight multiplied many times over), he transformed and the Earth rumbled and almost split in two (he was in the air at the time by the way).
And in the case of Frieza he ripped a guys arm completely off using only one hand and in his weakest state.
And everything I states Frieza can do he has done and you can go watch it happen.
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It does, and I explained this already. DBZ characters are wildly overpowered.
I saw you mention comparisons like these are banned on comic sites...well comparing DBZ to Marvel and DC characters is also banned on a lot of DBZ fan pages as well.
DBZ is a closed story, which means it's over. Nobody is getting any new powers or abilities (the DBZ movies are not canon) while DC and Marvel characters gain more powers every few years.
DarkRaiden
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veikuri;7421143 said:DarkRaiden;7421095 said:jaxn;7418676 said:
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.
veikuri;7418894 said:
But that's only thanos with the Power Gem...
The Power Gem provides the actual....power of the IG. It allows INFINITE POWER. That's the only gem that matters when being blasted.
The Lonious Monk;7422666 said:
See the word "wrath"? That means Thanos was angry. With the power to destroy Universes. Yet you think he held back SOOOOO much, that it wasn't even planet busting?
Hell let's go deeper. Thanos has destroyed planets WITHOUT the Infinity Gauntlet just by clashing with a weaker opponent. But when he has the Power Gem....that's when he holds back his energy blasts to be WEAKER THAN HIS OWN BLASTS SANS THE GAUNTLET/GEM? The logic of that makes no sense.
Also.....not sure if you're arguing for DBZ or have argued for any comic book character, but 99% of attacks don't have a stated 'planet buster' on it. Including attacks by galaxy and universe busters.
NothingButTheTruth
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jono;7424068 said:
DBZ characters are not wildly overpowered compared to comic books. If they can die, then Death, an entity in the comic book world is stronger than them. Not to mention, characters like the One Above All that resembles THE God of all gods, who can change all reality for any and everybody. Characters like these automatically place the comic book world over any DBZ shit. DBZ doesn't begin to reach that level.
jono;7424068 said:
40 tons is extremely easy to lift in the comic book world, and this was a simple counter to your inane description of DBZ character's physical ability. My clip was much closer towards the end of the show, so the earlier clips are at least overshadowed.
For reference, Superman's strength is labeled in the quintillion tons which is 10 to the 18th power, and Superman doesn't rank too high in the comic book world.
jono;7424068 said:
One thing you're avoiding is all of my examples were post Frieza and closer to the end of the show, while yours are at the beginning of the show.
So conclusively, what have we learned:
DBZ is filled with contradictions, in which they have no base to stand on, because they change shit up every episode.
If you don't want to settle for that brief statement which already destroys any argument for them, my videos are much more recent, therefore they would hold precedent over the ancient shit you posted. Based on the storyline, the people in the video you showed aren't even 1/4th as strong as the people in the scenes I showed, and yet they were "supposedly" moving faster, stronger physically etc.
The comic world has entities like the One Above All, Living Tribunal and others that can erase or change the very existence of any and everything placing them far above the DBZ world.
Checkmate.
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DarkRaiden;7424239 said:veikuri;7421143 said:DarkRaiden;7421095 said:jaxn;7418676 said:
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.
veikuri;7418894 said:
But that's only thanos with the Power Gem...
The Power Gem provides the actual....power of the IG. It allows INFINITE POWER. That's the only gem that matters when being blasted.
The Lonious Monk;7422666 said:
See the word "wrath"? That means Thanos was angry. With the power to destroy Universes. Yet you think he held back SOOOOO much, that it wasn't even planet busting?
Hell let's go deeper. Thanos has destroyed planets WITHOUT the Infinity Gauntlet just by clashing with a weaker opponent. But when he has the Power Gem....that's when he holds back his energy blasts to be WEAKER THAN HIS OWN BLASTS SANS THE GAUNTLET/GEM? The logic of that makes no sense.
Also.....not sure if you're arguing for DBZ or have argued for any comic book character, but 99% of attacks don't have a stated 'planet buster' on it. Including attacks by galaxy and universe busters.
Thanos has a finer control over the infinity gems better than other people. You either have to think this:
1) Doom can survive attacks that effortlessly can destroy solar systems.
2) Thanos wasn't going all out.
Because Thanos was able to destroy, like I said earlier, multiple planets effortlessly with the IG, and Doom isn't tanking a serious Thanos. Thanos vs Marvel Earth was him holding back. It's pretty obvious when he deactivates all the other gems except for the power gem. it's unclear how much of the gem he is using.
Stop trying to pass on a feat of a character obviously holding back as "planet busting"
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waterproof
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jono;7424431 said:veikuri;7424139 said:40 ton is paper weight considering Hulk did this in a much weaker state:
Bruce Banner cannot lift 40 tons but The Hulk can. Goku in base level couldn't lift 40 tons but in his transformed state it was light work.
Puny Marvel Heroes, I would of dropped that mountain on them, where was Thor and Hercules at? Hulk is the Strongest there Is, Nuff Said!
DarkRaiden
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veikuri;7424728 said:DarkRaiden;7424239 said:veikuri;7421143 said:DarkRaiden;7421095 said:jaxn;7418676 said:
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.
veikuri;7418894 said:
But that's only thanos with the Power Gem...
The Power Gem provides the actual....power of the IG. It allows INFINITE POWER. That's the only gem that matters when being blasted.
The Lonious Monk;7422666 said:
See the word "wrath"? That means Thanos was angry. With the power to destroy Universes. Yet you think he held back SOOOOO much, that it wasn't even planet busting?
Hell let's go deeper. Thanos has destroyed planets WITHOUT the Infinity Gauntlet just by clashing with a weaker opponent. But when he has the Power Gem....that's when he holds back his energy blasts to be WEAKER THAN HIS OWN BLASTS SANS THE GAUNTLET/GEM? The logic of that makes no sense.
Also.....not sure if you're arguing for DBZ or have argued for any comic book character, but 99% of attacks don't have a stated 'planet buster' on it. Including attacks by galaxy and universe busters.
Thanos has a finer control over the infinity gems better than other people. You either have to think this:
1) Doom can survive attacks that effortlessly can destroy solar systems.
2) Thanos wasn't going all out.
Because Thanos was able to destroy, like I said earlier, multiple planets effortlessly with the IG, and Doom isn't tanking a serious Thanos. Thanos vs Marvel Earth was him holding back. It's pretty obvious when he deactivates all the other gems except for the power gem. it's unclear how much of the gem he is using.
Stop trying to pass on a feat of a character obviously holding back as "planet busting"
Ding Ding Ding! That's what I'm saying. Doom survived a blast from an angry Thanos with the Power Gem. Even if it as a normal Thanos without the Power Gem, it'd clearly be >>>>planet busting considering his blasts one shot the likes of Surfer and Thor.
DarkRaiden;7425014 said:veikuri;7424728 said:DarkRaiden;7424239 said:veikuri;7421143 said:DarkRaiden;7421095 said:jaxn;7418676 said:
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.
veikuri;7418894 said:
But that's only thanos with the Power Gem...
The Power Gem provides the actual....power of the IG. It allows INFINITE POWER. That's the only gem that matters when being blasted.
The Lonious Monk;7422666 said:
See the word "wrath"? That means Thanos was angry. With the power to destroy Universes. Yet you think he held back SOOOOO much, that it wasn't even planet busting?
Hell let's go deeper. Thanos has destroyed planets WITHOUT the Infinity Gauntlet just by clashing with a weaker opponent. But when he has the Power Gem....that's when he holds back his energy blasts to be WEAKER THAN HIS OWN BLASTS SANS THE GAUNTLET/GEM? The logic of that makes no sense.
Also.....not sure if you're arguing for DBZ or have argued for any comic book character, but 99% of attacks don't have a stated 'planet buster' on it. Including attacks by galaxy and universe busters.
Thanos has a finer control over the infinity gems better than other people. You either have to think this:
1) Doom can survive attacks that effortlessly can destroy solar systems.
2) Thanos wasn't going all out.
Because Thanos was able to destroy, like I said earlier, multiple planets effortlessly with the IG, and Doom isn't tanking a serious Thanos. Thanos vs Marvel Earth was him holding back. It's pretty obvious when he deactivates all the other gems except for the power gem. it's unclear how much of the gem he is using.
Stop trying to pass on a feat of a character obviously holding back as "planet busting"
Ding Ding Ding! That's what I'm saying. Doom survived a blast from an angry Thanos with the Power Gem. Even if it as a normal Thanos without the Power Gem, it'd clearly be >>>>planet busting considering his blasts one shot the likes of Surfer and Thor.
Where was Thanos angry?
DarkRaiden
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veikuri;7425039 said:DarkRaiden;7425014 said:veikuri;7424728 said:DarkRaiden;7424239 said:veikuri;7421143 said:DarkRaiden;7421095 said:jaxn;7418676 said:
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.
veikuri;7418894 said:
But that's only thanos with the Power Gem...
The Power Gem provides the actual....power of the IG. It allows INFINITE POWER. That's the only gem that matters when being blasted.
The Lonious Monk;7422666 said:
See the word "wrath"? That means Thanos was angry. With the power to destroy Universes. Yet you think he held back SOOOOO much, that it wasn't even planet busting?
Hell let's go deeper. Thanos has destroyed planets WITHOUT the Infinity Gauntlet just by clashing with a weaker opponent. But when he has the Power Gem....that's when he holds back his energy blasts to be WEAKER THAN HIS OWN BLASTS SANS THE GAUNTLET/GEM? The logic of that makes no sense.
Also.....not sure if you're arguing for DBZ or have argued for any comic book character, but 99% of attacks don't have a stated 'planet buster' on it. Including attacks by galaxy and universe busters.
Thanos has a finer control over the infinity gems better than other people. You either have to think this:
1) Doom can survive attacks that effortlessly can destroy solar systems.
2) Thanos wasn't going all out.
Because Thanos was able to destroy, like I said earlier, multiple planets effortlessly with the IG, and Doom isn't tanking a serious Thanos. Thanos vs Marvel Earth was him holding back. It's pretty obvious when he deactivates all the other gems except for the power gem. it's unclear how much of the gem he is using.
Stop trying to pass on a feat of a character obviously holding back as "planet busting"
Ding Ding Ding! That's what I'm saying. Doom survived a blast from an angry Thanos with the Power Gem. Even if it as a normal Thanos without the Power Gem, it'd clearly be >>>>planet busting considering his blasts one shot the likes of Surfer and Thor.
Where was Thanos angry?
The scan said Doom felt Thanos's 'wrath'. Wrath=anger.
