Do You Really Think Hip Hop Has Really Gone To Sh*t, Or Are We Just Repeating Our Fathers???

[DarkNemisis]

Hip hop now lives in the UK!!

 

[A1000MILES]

But that's my thing anytime these threads are made people say turn off your radio when my radio been turn off. Who are these so called underground acts from "this generation" thats keeping it going besides the obvious krit,cole,kendrick,and nipsey? I need names put this 90s old head onto something new or refreshing,provide evidence to support your argument.

Theres a reason these threads are constantly being made cause 90s heads like myself was spoiled with good music from all regions "not just hiphop", even some of our one hit wonders were classic. Back then I ......nevamind

JD Era


Kevin Gates


Casey Veggies


Jon Connor


Freddie Gibbs


Dave East


Rittz


Tito Lopez


Problem


Dee 1


Bas


Rome Fortune


Chance The Rapper


...This was literal off top of my head in like 5 minutes...That list ranges from hood shit to ridin shit to conscious shit and erbody in it has thoughtful well delivered lyrics...

 

[MorganFreemanKing]

i give Dee 1 his props but that's where it stops

 

[A1000MILES]

Oh...John Connor weak?...Tito Lopez weak?...Gibbs weak?...Cool.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Half those artists suck

 

[A1000MILES]

You know the dope shit about it though?...You can post artists you feel are better...And we can see an even wider array of the different artists who are currently putting out music...Unless you're agreeing that everything is just shit now besides the Krits, Kendricks, Drakes, and Coles...

 

[Disciplined InSight]

bruh yo argument is all subjective... you are givin "facts" in questions opinions should be..

Rebut his argument then. Give examples of artists or music that is better than the music of the past.

my opinion is subjective as well..

i feel like t.i is a better artist then ice cube...

Bruh...

Nigga...

You're definitely an epitome that has possibly solidify this topic.

 

[Kellmill]

I was going to post a long ass post but forget it. Like a lot of other posters said there are a lot of great artists out there but people are stuck in their viewpoints. Additionally, no matter what happens people will always say that the 90s shits all over the new shit.

The 90s is called "The Golden Age" for a reason. It was the equivalent to the late 60s/early 70s era in rock music. There were some special artists to come out of that age. We will probably never get another Tribe or Wu but we still have some dope ass shit coming out. I personally think MBDTF can stack up with most of the classic records of the 90s. The thing that trips me out is that the leaders of that age for the most part are still putting out dope music (Rae, Nas, Ghost, Q-Tip, Jay, Mobb Deep, Big Boi, etc.) Plus we have new artists putting out quality and a lot more versatility in the music now. There are so many ranging styles and quantity that if you are actively looking you can find some great music. Run The Jewels came out last year and could also stack up with some of the great 90s lps

 

[konceptjones]

i remember my mother yelling at me to turn that garbage off. i remember sitting by the radio listening to the rap attack waiting for that famous world premiere so that i could record whatever song (didnt matter who it was). i remember seeing the west coast jump in and doing their thing. i remember 3 and 4 finger rings, gumby haircuts, two tone lee jeans, bomber jackets. kangols and gazelles. we use to dance. now i look at my kids and think wow look how far we have come. this was started by my generation and now its being passed on to my kids. its then that i think i will never say hip hop is dead. its alive and well. i will never say hip hop is shit. i will always try teach my kids the history as i know it and sit back proudly and watch them put their own stamp on it. soon they will be my age and hopefully it will be passed down to their kids.

not really sure what the problem is with hip hop. old niggas need to support the new niggas. the new niggas need to stop competing with history. they will become a part of it soon enough. when u get my age u look back and laugh. u laugh at all the wild stages ur generation went thru. the clothes u wore, the phrases u used. my generation was never prepared for hip hop to last this long. we were too busy thinking about ourselves and trying to have something all our own. we never thought about 2014 and passing it down to our kids. now that we are here we complain and call them out. we say hip hop fell off. we never had a vision for hip hop. we were just rapping and dancing to have fun and be different. now its a lifestyle...its not a fad like that told us.

if you love hip hop then accept it for what it was yesterday and what it is today and look forward to what it will become tomorrow.

Think about the contrast between "the golden age" versus today for a moment:

The Wutang Clan had singles charting and videos in heavy rotation from Enter The 36th Chamber before and after it's release. Had that album been released today, not only would it be completely absent from the charts, they wouldn't have had any radio play, their videos would have been released on WSHH or Youtube 'cause BET and MTV wouldn't touch them, and they would probably have been released on a small label like Babygrande if they got a label to sign them at all.

Illmatic would be an indie release though it would be critically acclaimed if it were released today.

None of EPMD's albums would have gone Gold if they were released in the last 10 years as opposed to the late 80's/mid 90's. (FWIW, their first five albums went gold, besting Run DMC's track record).

MC Lyte would be on Bahamadhia/Jean Grae status if she came out today. A damned good MC with ZERO audience 'cause she ain't showin her titties and ass. He skills would mean nothing.

Public Enemy, Paris, PRT, and X-Clan's albums would be in the same space as Immortal Technique's if they were released today. Never getting airplay, never seeing video play, only listened to by hardcore socially conscious backpackers and college radio heads.

95 South, B-Rock and the Bizz, Tag Team, and Hammer would be even bigger stars today than they were in their heyday if they came out now.

Had she come out with "Born Gangstaz" back in 2006, Bo$$ would likely be on her 5th or 6th album by now and her star would be shining even brighter despite the eventual revelations that she came from a privileged two parent home in Detroit, went to private schools, and attended college. This is completely the opposite of the "character" she portrays herself to be in her music, stylizing herself to be a gun toting, drug dealing thug.

Jermaine Hopkins aka "Huggy", an actor turned rapper would be the new hero of hip hop if his album "Chunky But Funky" were released a few years ago.

 

[mryounggun]

Tired, repetitive argument. Hip Hop is very healthy at the moment.

 

[FourEfil]

Tired, repetitive argument. Hip Hop is very healthy at the moment.

Mainstream

Underground Main

Underground

No

Yes

Yes

 

[A1000MILES]

Bret...From Wu Tang to Lyte...When they came out, it was a new fresh thing at the time...Niggas was intrigued by something that at the time was new and different and genuinely good...That's the exact same thing happening now...Folk keep wishin for shit to be like it was, or new versions of old rappers to claim the same dominance as those old rappers...That sounds ridiculous, it ain't gon happen...Now, from 95 South to Hammer...You know why they got on back then?...Cause they were fun and entertaining...You know why shit like that get on right now?...Cause it's fun and entertaining...Far as BO$$ basically what you sayin is it's a shame that back then there were just as many rappers lyin bout their past, but when they got caught it was frowned upon, and these days music outweighs the fraudulent ways of rappers whom don't have the same amount of respect as rappers usta get back then...Back then it was the cool shit to be a rapper...America was scared of rappers...Rappers were considered gritty, een if it was just an image...Now, we know better...We know niggas that rap are just that for the most part, so if it should come out that a rapper lied...Oh well, does the music still sound good?...And Jermaine Huggins is nothing like Aubrey Graham, stop...

 

[mryounggun]

Tired, repetitive argument. Hip Hop is very healthy at the moment.

Mainstream

Underground Main

Underground

No

Yes

Yes

There is tons of dope mainstream shit these days. The only different now is that you gotta go to a different place to find it. The radio - for the most part - ain't the place to find it like it used to be.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Tired, repetitive argument. Hip Hop is very healthy at the moment.

Aren't you the clown that said MCHG and BP3 were great albums? Take a seat dun.

 

[konceptjones]

Bret...From Wu Tang to Lyte...When they came out, it was a new fresh thing at the time...Niggas was intrigued by something that at the time was new and different and genuinely good...That's the exact same thing happening now...Folk keep wishin for shit to be like it was, or new versions of old rappers to claim the same dominance as those old rappers...That sounds ridiculous, it ain't gon happen...Now, from 95 South to Hammer...You know why they got on back then?...Cause they were fun and entertaining...You know why shit like that get on right now?...Cause it's fun and entertaining...Far as BO$$ basically what you sayin is it's a shame that back then there were just as many rappers lyin bout their past, but when they got caught it was frowned upon, and these days music outweighs the fraudulent ways of rappers whom don't have the same amount of respect as rappers usta get back then...Back then it was the cool shit to be a rapper...America was scared of rappers...Rappers were considered gritty, een if it was just an image...Now, we know better...We know niggas that rap are just that for the most part, so if it should come out that a rapper lied...Oh well, does the music still sound good?...And Jermaine Huggins is nothing like Aubrey Graham, stop...

Nah, you get the parallel I'm drawing between "Huggy" and Drake: Two actors turned rapper.

As far as shit being new and genuinely good out now, it's not happening on the radio or video rotation; this cannot be denied. Very little on the radio right now is even approaching good. Nobody is displaying raw skills like they used to. Too many rappers are falling into the same rhyme patterns, the same cadence, the same flow. Back then there was far more diversity in rap that got radio play. This is part of the problem with what's considered "mainstream". Back then, radio played pretty much everyone: NWA, PE, Tone Loc, Black Sheep, Common, MC Breed, Tupac, Hammer, Sir Mix A Lot, Wutang, Redman, Cypress Hill... So much diversity in just that short list alone and every one of those artists got shine.

The diversity in the "mainstream" is gone and this is a large part of the reason cats my age say that hip hop sucks today.

 

[UPTOWN]

I was thinking about this cause I was jamming spice 1 and just remembering how my pops who grew up on 80's hip hop would call the music I listened to crap and didn't care cause it was my music.

your pops was right. we were listening to some bullshit but some of it was good. the thing about hip hop's golden eras is that when someone made something good, it was monumental. you dont see that nowadays.

one thing i keep hearing in this thread is that ppl dont search for good music. i never had to search for nas, jay z or any of the other good artist even tho they came behind the greats before them such as BDK and rakim. fact is, a classic record is classic because it is universally accepted, you cant help to hear it because its banged heavy everywhere you go. why should anyone have to search hard to find good music?? just that alone speaks to the quality of the genre. how hard do you have to search the nba to find a good player or to watch a good game??

another thing im hearing in this thread is that ppl are just complaining cause times have changed. i disagree.

no one complained about the quality of music when public enemy died down and west coast gangsta rap such as nwa took over. the complaints were about CONTENT by some purists, but not music quality. now back in the day the west coast had alot of diversity...... the alcoholics, king tee, ahmad, heiroglyphics, casual, del the funky homosapien and some others who went hard besides the nwa's, mc eight's, and cypress hill's. so the content issue held merit. not only were cats like dr dre contradicting themselves but they were literally trying to tear down what hip hop had built before them.

this is a quote from nwa "Express Yourself"

While I'm expressin myself.

It's crazy to see people be

What society wants them to be. But not me!

Ruthless...

Is the way to go

They know.

Others say rhymes that fail

To be original.

Or they kill where the hiphop starts,

Forget about the ghetto

And rap for the pop charts.

this is dre "going against the system" saying he wont forget about the ghetto or rap for the pop charts. how he wont let society dictate what it wants him to be. how rhymes etc should be original and not kill where hip hop starts. but then a few years later on "let me ride"

just another motherfuckin day for Dre so I begin like this

No medallions, dreadlocks, or black fists it's just

that gangster glare, with gangster raps

that gangster shit, that makes the gang of snaps, uhh

word to the motherfuckin streets

now i wont even go into all the sell out shit that i never realized was in this song and video until i got older. but to make a long post a little shorter look at the bolded. now look at what precedes it. none of the shit that started hip hop is what makes a gang of snaps huh?? ok well that explains everything.

see it was shit like that that opened pandoras box. and the funny thing is, when shit got too hot dre took the back door (see tupac dissing dre and dre leaving death row behind to suge knight) all dre did was make a little song called "been there, done that". but he never came out and said you know what, the system played me and the things that started hip hop may not make as much money but atleast your friends dont hate you, die, and go to jail for the couple extra dollars as when you put all that shit to the side. now think about detox and how it would be in contrast to the chronic, but of course it was never released LOL

so yes hip hop has gone to shit. the homegrown raw emcee's dont even attack the wack rappers anymore. remember when vanilla ice and mc hammer used to get that work?? but cats like EPMD and 3rd bass werent called haters for protecting the art, because we all understood that everyone could eat off it not just a couple dickheads in shiny suits with back up dancers. now, if you attack a rapper who is on some bullshit he's protected under the unwritten "they trying to get money" rule and you are called a hater, LOL as if the person calling you a hater just loves every fucking body. id say they hate the commercially unsuccessful emcees more than we hate the garbage rappers so to me that cancels all that hater bullshit out. but still, i hear so many ppl saying there is good music out there..... POST IT. now when you post it be prepared to defend it because if its just good lyrics and beats but does not preserve the art or compete with the bullshit thats flooding the arena then its pointless. its just as disposable

its ok for change, hip hop demands originality so of course things will change. but the foundation is being forgotten or completely disregarded in some cases and thats where we are failing.

think about it like this

JFK was a much different president then George Washington, and Bill Clinton was a much different president than JFK, but none of them fucked with or went against the foundation of what makes the country remain strong and thats why you have obama today. you dont change the constitution and bill of rights every time a new person gets in office. hip hop and black culture in general doesnt demand this kind of discipline. thats where we are losing.

 

[UPTOWN]

bruh yo argument is all subjective... you are givin "facts" in questions opinions should be..

Rebut his argument then. Give examples of artists or music that is better than the music of the past.

my opinion is subjective as well..

i feel like t.i is a better artist then ice cube...

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[konceptjones]

I was thinking about this cause I was jamming spice 1 and just remembering how my pops who grew up on 80's hip hop would call the music I listened to crap and didn't care cause it was my music.

your pops was right. we were listening to some bullshit but some of it was good. the thing about hip hop's golden eras is that when someone made something good, it was monumental. you dont see that nowadays.

one thing i keep hearing in this thread is that ppl dont search for good music. i never had to search for nas, jay z or any of the other good artist even tho they came behind the greats before them such as BDK and rakim. fact is, a classic record is classic because it is universally accepted, you cant help to hear it because its banged heavy everywhere you go. why should anyone have to search hard to find good music?? just that alone speaks to the quality of the genre. how hard do you have to search the nba to find a good player or to watch a good game??

another thing im hearing in this thread is that ppl are just complaining cause times have changed. i disagree.

no one complained about the quality of music when public enemy died down and west coast gangsta rap such as nwa took over. the complaints were about CONTENT by some purists, but not music quality. now back in the day the west coast had alot of diversity...... the alcoholics, king tee, ahmad, heiroglyphics, casual, del the funky homosapien and some others who went hard besides the nwa's, mc eight's, and cypress hill's. so the content issue held merit. not only were cats like dr dre contradicting themselves but they were literally trying to tear down what hip hop had built before them.

this is a quote from nwa "Express Yourself"

While I'm expressin myself.

It's crazy to see people be

What society wants them to be. But not me!

Ruthless...

Is the way to go

They know.

Others say rhymes that fail

To be original.

Or they kill where the hiphop starts,

Forget about the ghetto

And rap for the pop charts.

this is dre "going against the system" saying he wont forget about the ghetto or rap for the pop charts. how he wont let society dictate what it wants him to be. how rhymes etc should be original and not kill where hip hop starts. but then a few years later on "let me ride"

just another motherfuckin day for Dre so I begin like this

No medallions, dreadlocks, or black fists it's just

that gangster glare, with gangster raps

that gangster shit, that makes the gang of snaps, uhh

word to the motherfuckin streets

now i wont even go into all the sell out shit that i never realized was in this song and video until i got older. but to make a long post a little shorter look at the bolded. now look at what precedes it. none of the shit that started hip hop is what makes a gang of snaps huh?? ok well that explains everything.

see it was shit like that that opened pandoras box. and the funny thing is, when shit got too hot dre took the back door (see tupac dissing dre and dre leaving death row behind to suge knight) all dre did was make a little song called "been there, done that". but he never came out and said you know what, the system played me and the things that started hip hop may not make as much money but atleast your friends dont hate you, die, and go to jail for the couple extra dollars as when you put all that shit to the side. now think about detox and how it would be in contrast to the chronic, but of course it was never released LOL

so yes hip hop has gone to shit. the homegrown raw emcee's dont even attack the wack rappers anymore. remember when vanilla ice and mc hammer used to get that work?? but cats like EPMD and 3rd bass werent called haters for protecting the art, because we all understood that everyone could eat off it not just a couple dickheads in shiny suits with back up dancers. now, if you attack a rapper who is on some bullshit he's protected under the unwritten "they trying to get money" rule and you are called a hater, LOL as if the person calling you a hater just loves every fucking body. id say they hate the commercially unsuccessful emcees more than we hate the garbage rappers so to me that cancels all that hater bullshit out. but still, i hear so many ppl saying there is good music out there..... POST IT. now when you post it be prepared to defend it because if its just good lyrics and beats but does not preserve the art or compete with the bullshit thats flooding the arena then its pointless. its just as disposable

its ok for change, hip hop demands originality so of course things will change. but the foundation is being forgotten or completely disregarded in some cases and thats where we are failing.

think about it like this

JFK was a much different president then George Washington, and Bill Clinton was a much different president than JFK, but none of them fucked with or went against the foundation of what makes the country remain strong and thats why you have obama today. you dont change the constitution and bill of rights every time a new person gets in office. hip hop and black culture in general doesnt demand this kind of discipline. thats where we are losing.

 

[mryounggun]

Tired, repetitive argument. Hip Hop is very healthy at the moment.

Aren't you the clown that said MCHG and BP3 were great albums? Take a seat dun.

You got it...dun.

 

[damobb2deep]

bruh yo argument is all subjective... you are givin "facts" in questions opinions should be..

Rebut his argument then. Give examples of artists or music that is better than the music of the past.

my opinion is subjective as well..

i feel like t.i is a better artist then ice cube...

Nigga...

Shut up.

bytch...

make me..