Do You Really Think Hip Hop Has Really Gone To Sh*t, Or Are We Just Repeating Our Fathers???

[THIRDSUPREME]

It went to shit.... and it's still shit....

 

[blackrain]

I've said this before: the main problem with Hip-Hop is the lack of BALANCE.

Balance that artists from every region don't get play, instead it mostly being the South and East.

Balance that all sub-genres don't get spins, all we hear is swag rap, and trap rap now, instead of lyrical, conscious, and party rap to go along with the gangsta shit.

Balance that the sounds we hear aren't in an equal ratio: New York's classic Boom-Bap sound is barely spun in NY, and almost every new "hit" has that trap beat feel to it.

Most of us that are older don't hate what hip-hop is, most of us just want to see that balance resurface on the mainstream. I mean, we could all just go back underground for all this shit, but if people are going to broadcast the culture, then why not try to make sure it's broadcasted in the best light.

This is very true and I cosign this...but it also boils down to the simple that music is a supply and demand business. If the fans demand it, the labels will supply it. That's why there was much more diversity on the radio even 10 years ago let alone 15-20 years ago. People actually went out and supported artists. The biggest artists now are all acts that have had their fan bases support their shit form jump. They actually go out and buy records. Same shit I said about R&B music in thread about the Billboard charts. We as fans can't complain our favorite acts aren't getting alot of play and promo when we don't actually go out and support them monetarily. That's how those acts stick around and there's a certain attitude amongst fans now that "They don't need me to buy their records"...yes they do actually. It's part of how they keep being able to make more music

 

[blackrain]

It's funny when ppl say that rap/hiphop has fallen off and they talk about the good ole days. It's not like niggas back then had the most complicated rhyme schemes. If you like lyrics then this prolly one of the best eras in awhile. Me personally I think it is what it is. It's not like the 80's and 90's didn't have wack artist. Just because an artist came from that "golden era" don't make them a legend. Sometimes it just makes them a wack o.g.

The bold is something some older heads have trouble admitting. I've seen alot of re-written history praising artists or trying to make artists bigger than they were simply because they were out in the early 90's as dropping certified classics when they weren't.

 

[rafsattz]

I think it's all a matter of personal opinions. I think that hip-hop has become such a broad genre and there isn't much differentiating the good from bad. There are some artists now that are still managing to hold on the the original idea of it but I do feel it's being lost in a lot of recent tunes.

 

[damobb2deep]

bruh yo argument is all subjective... you are givin "facts" in questions opinions should be..

Rebut his argument then. Give examples of artists or music that is better than the music of the past.

my opinion is subjective as well..

i feel like t.i is a better artist then ice cube...

Nigga...

Shut up.

that was a troll post, obviously

not @ all i really think that... t.i is no scrub... has been in the game 4 years has classic albums... gone plat.. is lyrical.. and can be versatile in subject matter..

im not saying ice cube not great... but if i said Gucci mane was better then cube then that would be a troll... t.i is a legit artist with a resume that can compare musically to cubes..

id like to see you lay this comparison out LOL

i mean shit TI wasnt bad imo but between nwa and cubes early solo's you are just going to make a fool of yourself comparing the two

TI doesnt even have enough material period to compare to cube

im pretty sure u are an old head...

ok

nwa had 2 c.d's

ice cube will have 10... that's 12 total... now are we comparing his early stuff? if so what year are we cutting it off @ if we doing the whole catalog I will say this he hasn't had any real commercial (single) success since the early 2000's when he had the single that got played on " Friday after next"

( this is being completely unbiased)

the biggest hit ice cube ever had was " 2day was a good day" classic song. Great concept and great story telling ability... Lyrically it was trash.. the song being his biggest hit made to only #7 on the billboard charts..

while t.i has multiple singles that have surpassed #7 on the charts ( "what you know" #3, "why u wanna" #4, "whatever you like" #1, "swagga like us" #4 "live your life" #1) now im not saying that singles make him better but t.i got him beat in that department..

as far as impact on the genre ice cube vs. t.i is yet 2 be seen t.i hasn't been in the game 20+ years yet.. ( although he has been in the game 10+ years) and ice cube helped influence rappers like t.i so in that since I will give the edge to ice cube just off the seniority alone..

album sales I give it to ice cube because his discography longer .... even with n.w.a ( between the 2 albums 3 times plat) he is 6 times plat 2x gold off 7 albums.. while t.i has the same exact plaques as ice cube solo album wise..

now here comes the opinion part.. ice cube was never a lyrical person.. he got off by aggression and story telling..

while t.i is lyrical, can switch up his style, can tell stories, has good metaphors and can be aggressive if he wants.. this is why I give the edge to t.i in the long run... both are gonna be top 20 in the end.. but outside of the seniority ice cube has over t.i .. everything else is dead even or t.i has the slight edge...

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Seriously i cant put anything new after @uptownconnexx.

The lack of foundations and discipline inside the hiphop realm is obvious.

Look at us debating : money and record sales over CONTENT and Artistry.

We deserve that music we have nowadays cause we are not better.

What you eat, how you communicate and which values you cherish tell a lot about you.

When i see american posters making threads about FRENCH MONTANA i wonder wether im in Paris or nah.

We are the consumers, the buyers. They sell what we like to hear. All we do is Generic.

We eat generic , think generic.

We are in the FAST FOOD ERA of music. Its up to us to get out of it.

Peace

my question is what did you listen 2 in the 90's... nwa? tupac? biggie? wu tang ect?

if this is true then im sure u have listened 2 newer artists like.. kendrick lamar ( who last year has the reason on his jock cuz he was "bringing back real hip hop")... j cole.... asap mob.. school boy Q.. maybe lupe? if thats yo style lol u got artist out there.. and yea.. in the next 15 years they will be the "cream of the crop" of this decade... and kids growing up will kno they music as "good hip hop" and will compare their music to the "shytty" music of the late 2020's...

As a hiphop fan i buy and listen to nearly everything. Damn i even listen to Jaz -o and Immobilary lol.

I do mt best to give an ear to everyone.

Yesterday i have found out a Jeru the Damaja in my hiphop cave : automaticly it was bumping in my head. I was a little boy when he was hot. However decade later that shit bumps good.

Here is an example of what i call the EMOTIONAL ENERGY : ONYX. I ve never been to the US but damn these niggas were scaring the hell out of me bruh lol. When i was young i was hiding under my bed whenever i heard STICKY FINGAZ' voice. There are not wordsmiths yet they had the TALENT to create a reaction, to raise an emotion out of us: fear, danger.

That emotion raising ability you find it in Pac , PE,Common, Big, Nas , Mobb Deep, Heavy D, Latifah, Bone, Pun, Busta, Onyx, AZ, Em, Cube, Kast,Lupe, DMX. Either you wanted to cry, or you felt like dancing fightig, laugh like when i bump Kendrick.

ASAP MOBB is lukewarm. Ross is lukewarm except with the J. League beats.

Alchemist beats bring to you that morbid sensation. Lexx Lugger is lukewarm.

That what i want to stress : its hard to find something that make you raise these emotions.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Seriously i cant put anything new after @uptownconnexx.

The lack of foundations and discipline inside the hiphop realm is obvious.

Look at us debating : money and record sales over CONTENT and Artistry.

We deserve that music we have nowadays cause we are not better.

What you eat, how you communicate and which values you cherish tell a lot about you.

When i see american posters making threads about FRENCH MONTANA i wonder wether im in Paris or nah.

We are the consumers, the buyers. They sell what we like to hear. All we do is Generic.

We eat generic , think generic.

We are in the FAST FOOD ERA of music. Its up to us to get out of it.

Peace

my question is what did you listen 2 in the 90's... nwa? tupac? biggie? wu tang ect?

if this is true then im sure u have listened 2 newer artists like.. kendrick lamar ( who last year has the reason on his jock cuz he was "bringing back real hip hop")... j cole.... asap mob.. school boy Q.. maybe lupe? if thats yo style lol u got artist out there.. and yea.. in the next 15 years they will be the "cream of the crop" of this decade... and kids growing up will kno they music as "good hip hop" and will compare their music to the "shytty" music of the late 2020's...

As a hiphop fan i buy and listen to nearly everything. Damn i even listen to Jaz -o and Immobilary lol.

I do mt best to give an ear to everyone.

Yesterday i have found out a Jeru the Damaja in my hiphop cave : automaticly it was bumping in my head. I was a little boy when he was hot. However decade later that shit bumps good.

Here is an example of what i call the EMOTIONAL ENERGY : ONYX. I ve never been to the US but damn these niggas were scaring the hell out of me bruh lol. When i was young i was hiding under my bed whenever i heard STICKY FINGAZ' voice. There are not wordsmiths yet they had the TALENT to create a reaction, to raise an emotion out of us: fear, danger.

That emotion raising ability you find it in Pac , PE,Common, Big, Nas , Mobb Deep, Heavy D, Latifah, Bone, Pun, Busta, Onyx, AZ, Em, Cube, Kast,Lupe, DMX. Either you wanted to cry, or you felt like dancing fightig, laugh like when i bump Kendrick.

ASAP MOBB is lukewarm. Ross is lukewarm except with the J. League beats.

Alchemist beats bring to you that morbid sensation. Lexx Lugger is lukewarm.

That what i want to stress : its hard to find something that make you raise these emotions.

I think I am following you. That's what I am missing. When I listen to younger artists I am not moved. I don't get the sense of soul, urgency, or emotion. It's like they're doing it just to do it.

 

[damobb2deep]

Seriously i cant put anything new after @uptownconnexx.

The lack of foundations and discipline inside the hiphop realm is obvious.

Look at us debating : money and record sales over CONTENT and Artistry.

We deserve that music we have nowadays cause we are not better.

What you eat, how you communicate and which values you cherish tell a lot about you.

When i see american posters making threads about FRENCH MONTANA i wonder wether im in Paris or nah.

We are the consumers, the buyers. They sell what we like to hear. All we do is Generic.

We eat generic , think generic.

We are in the FAST FOOD ERA of music. Its up to us to get out of it.

Peace

my question is what did you listen 2 in the 90's... nwa? tupac? biggie? wu tang ect?

if this is true then im sure u have listened 2 newer artists like.. kendrick lamar ( who last year has the reason on his jock cuz he was "bringing back real hip hop")... j cole.... asap mob.. school boy Q.. maybe lupe? if thats yo style lol u got artist out there.. and yea.. in the next 15 years they will be the "cream of the crop" of this decade... and kids growing up will kno they music as "good hip hop" and will compare their music to the "shytty" music of the late 2020's...

As a hiphop fan i buy and listen to nearly everything. Damn i even listen to Jaz -o and Immobilary lol.

I do mt best to give an ear to everyone.

Yesterday i have found out a Jeru the Damaja in my hiphop cave : automaticly it was bumping in my head. I was a little boy when he was hot. However decade later that shit bumps good.

Here is an example of what i call the EMOTIONAL ENERGY : ONYX. I ve never been to the US but damn these niggas were scaring the hell out of me bruh lol. When i was young i was hiding under my bed whenever i heard STICKY FINGAZ' voice. There are not wordsmiths yet they had the TALENT to create a reaction, to raise an emotion out of us: fear, danger.

That emotion raising ability you find it in Pac , PE,Common, Big, Nas , Mobb Deep, Heavy D, Latifah, Bone, Pun, Busta, Onyx, AZ, Em, Cube, Kast,Lupe, DMX. Either you wanted to cry, or you felt like dancing fightig, laugh like when i bump Kendrick.

ASAP MOBB is lukewarm. Ross is lukewarm except with the J. League beats.

Alchemist beats bring to you that morbid sensation. Lexx Lugger is lukewarm.

That what i want to stress : its hard to find something that make you raise these emotions.

I think I am following you. That's what I am missing. When I listen to younger artists I am not moved. I don't get the sense of soul, urgency, or emotion. It's like they're doing it just to do it.

if u listening 2 niggas like amigos/chief keef then i under stand what u mean...

but u cant say wale, Kendrick, j cole, even b.o.b ect dont have that in they raps..

 

[Lustchyld]

bruh yo argument is all subjective... you are givin "facts" in questions opinions should be..

Rebut his argument then. Give examples of artists or music that is better than the music of the past.

my opinion is subjective as well..

i feel like t.i is a better artist then ice cube...

Nigga...

Shut up.

that was a troll post, obviously

not @ all i really think that... t.i is no scrub... has been in the game 4 years has classic albums... gone plat.. is lyrical.. and can be versatile in subject matter..

im not saying ice cube not great... but if i said Gucci mane was better then cube then that would be a troll... t.i is a legit artist with a resume that can compare musically to cubes..

Tip is alright on the real. Even has a few great songs. Let's put this in perspective, though. The ratio of great rappers in comparison to wack rappers was much more, shall we say, favorable to the culture in the golden age (90s in particular) as opposed to when Tip entered the game. Tip looks great due to the lack of competition in his peer group. It's like if you put an NBA player on a high school team--he's gonna stand out and look like a superstar, correct? Meanwhile, among his NBA brethren he's probably no more than average. I've been into rap ever since a youngin and I'm 30 now. From the underground to the cats who have come and go in the mainstream,

there are plenty of artists who have made higher quality music than Tip, but due to shitty record deals, lack of promotion, times changing or whatever, never got the credit they deserved. Sure, Tip is no scrub, but I ain't bout to act like he elevated the game when it's obvious he has very little in common with the elite emcees in history. As far as him being better than Cube, an opinion is an opinion I guess. I'm curious though, would you put TI over say, Juelz Santana (since they both on that swagger rap/gangsta shit)?

 

[G.Avant]

with artists like Troy Ave, Mack Wilds, Co$t Le', and Joey Badass....maybe a few others i'm not thinking of at the moment, ASAP Ferg...

the art form should be in alrite hands

Co$t Le'

Stop this shit bruh. Stop it RIGHT NOW!! Shit is getting sad and desperate my dude. At least come up with a better more creative way to spam bruh.

 

[TrillRussell]

Nope..it's always been wack mufuckas in hip hop..no matter what era..difference is People shine light on the greats of the past eras like everybody was that nice and disregard the trash..and in these times they disregard the dope artists and focus totally on the wack shit..

 

[Kalecrunch]

Notice how today's new "dope" artist would've been wack by the older era's standards metiocre at best.