Coming soon: our next stage, Homo evolutus.

[Drew_Ali]

Lol.....

When have humans used a tail for "balance and mobility"?????

Choose your next words carefully............

They may be your last, as an evolutionist........

 

[Bodhi]

Lol.....

When have humans used a tail for "balance and mobility"?????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

 

[Drew_Ali]

If humans evolved from the "great apes" why do they have tails which is a trait associated with monkeys????????

Apes do not possess a tail, unlike most monkeys. Monkeys are more likely to be in trees and use their tails for balance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

 

[whar]

Humans are an ape. Apes evolved from other primates. The ancestor that apes and monkeys share had a tail.

 

[whar]

That is Aegyptopithecus which is an example of the common ancestor we shared with monkeys. It may not be the specific species but it is from the correct time period and correct order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegyptopithecus

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL.....

You mean the fictional mythical theorized missing link........

Guess why its missing........

So, no ape species has a tail......

And you say:

Humans are an ape.

Yet....

The human coccyx is an evolutionary vestige of a tail.........

FOH

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm

In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

 

[whar]

The "missing link" is a false idea. There is no link missing.

No ape species has a tail. (As a general trait however an individual may be born with one.)

Humans are apes.

The Coccyx is an evolutionary remnant of a tail.

Nothing in the above statements are contradictory or even controversial to reasonable people.

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL.....

You say humans evolved from apes.......

&

The Coccyx is an evolutionary remnant of a tail......

Yet no apes have tails......

I guess the tail skipped a generation?????????

FOH

You have no evidence, other than your vivid infantile imagination to support the claim that humans had "functioning" tails.......

 

[whar]

Humans are Homo sapiens. They never had a functioning tail. Ancestor species of H sapiens did. The tail was not lost it seems gradually as your picture indicates. It was dropped 25mya with the rise of the Proconsul genus which followed Aegyptopithecus (30mya). Both Asiatic apes and African apes apparently descended from Proconsul.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proconsul_(primate)

P.S. All Apes have the vestigial remains of tail not just Humans.

 

[Drew_Ali]

Humans are Homo sapiens. They never had a functioning tail.

Then the coccyx does not meet the definition of a vestigial structure................

Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function.

^^^ So this definition, in other words, is:

A degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no [usefulness or purpose], but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a[nother] useful function.

Now.....

What your evolutionary science will not reveal is that the closest relative to humans in the animal kingdom is the pig........

Much is made about the closeness of chimps and humans.....

However, no organ transplants between the two has been successful.......

Opposed to the swine......

Which is used in organ transplants, skin grafts, and testing on things like bullet and shrapnel damage in humans......

Cloned Pigs Modified for Use in Human Transplants
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/01/0103_020103TVclonedpig.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/transplants/framesource_pig.html

In other words......

If you "evolved" from any other creature, it is the swine..............

Which is why......

Leviticus 11:7 - 11:8

And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.

Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you.

All praise is due to Allah..............

 

[Bodhi]

If humans evolved from the "great apes" why do they have tails which is a trait associated with monkeys????????

Apes do not possess a tail, unlike most monkeys. Monkeys are more likely to be in trees and use their tails for balance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

Humans are part of the (great) ape family, hominidae. All members have a coccyx, the remnant of a lost tail passed down from the ancestors of hominidae.

 

[Bodhi]

Now.....

What your evolutionary science will not reveal is that the closest relative to humans in the animal kingdom is the pig........

Much is made about the closeness of chimps and humans.....

Chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should properly be considered as members of the human family, according to new genetic research.

The Detroit team says its work supports the idea that all living apes should occupy the higher taxonomic grouping Hominidae, and that three species be established under the Homo genus.

One would be Homo (Homo) sapiens, or humans; the second would be Homo (Pan) troglodytes, or common chimpanzees, and the third would be Homo (Pan) paniscus, or bonobos.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3042781.stm

However, no organ transplants between the two has been successful.......

Opposed to the swine......

Which is used in organ transplants, skin grafts, and testing on things like bullet and shrapnel damage in humans......

Cloned Pigs Modified for Use in Human Transplants

^^^ Pay attention to the bolded word ("modified")

"[The success of pig-human transplants] has very little to do with whether there's a two per cent or 20 per cent difference in the genome sequence — if those numbers actually meant anything anyway — the main barrier is caused by just one gene," says Moran.

That gene is called galactose-alpha-1,3,galactotransferase — gal-transferase for short . All mammals except humans and higher apes have a working version of gal-transferase, which coats cells with an antigen (a molecule that our immune system reacts to). This means if pig tissue is transplanted into humans our immune system will mount a drastic rejection response as our bodies detect the antigen and attack it.

Scientists have come up with a solution to stop tissue rejection: genetically modifying the pigs by eliminating the gal-transferase gene. A few more human genes are also added to the pigs to make the pig tissue even more acceptable to our immune system.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/05/03/2887206.htm

"If we compare really closely related species, like a human and chimpanzee, we can still see the similarity between these rapidly changing sequences. If you move further away to the more distantly related pig, so many changes in the DNA will have occurred that it is no longer possible to recognise that the sequences were ever similar.

What your evolutionary science will not reveal is that the closest relative to humans in the animal kingdom is the pig........

"Depending upon what it is that you are comparing you can say 'Yes, there's a very high degree of similarity, for example between a human and a pig protein coding sequence', but if you compare rapidly evolving non-coding sequences from a similar location in the genome, you may not be able to recognise any similarity at all. This means that blanket comparisons of all DNA sequences between species are not very meaningful."
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/05/03/2887206.htm

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL.....

Sure "blanket comparisons of all DNA sequences between species are not very meaningful,"when it comes to humans and swine, but it is ok to continue comparing humans and apes???????????

FOH.....

Can you give pig organs to humans?

The animals are sometimes called "horizontal humans". Although they are more distantly related to us than, for example, the great apes - pigs are about the right size, and so are their organs. A 75kg pig has the same-sized heart as a 75kg human, with the same pumping capacity. In theory it should be possible to farm pigs for their organs, much as we now farm them for bacon.

Remarkably, in 1838 the first corneal xenotransplantation (from a pig) was performed in a patient, whereas the first corneal allograft (human-to-human) was not carried out until more than 65 years later, in 1905.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246856/

So, humans & great apes never had a functioning tail.......

However, it is a vestigial remnant?????

You guys are silly.....

Perhaps you should examine the coccyx of a human and an animal with a tail..............

There is no similarity.....

Other than your vivid infantile imagination to support the claim that humans had "functioning" tails.......

 

[Drew_Ali]

 

[whar]

"So, humans & great apes never had a functioning tail.......

However, it is a vestigial remnant?????"

Because the evolved from a specie that had a functioning tail.

 

[Drew_Ali]

"So, humans & great apes never had a functioning tail.......

However, it is a vestigial remnant?????"

Because the evolved from a specie that had a functioning tail.

This logic is juvenile..............

Again.....

If humans "evolved" from apes (which have no tail)......

Where does the functioning tail come in, that would result in its vestigiality in humans???????

*No apes have tails......Only monkeys*

You are saying that the common ancestor of apes and monkeys had a tail.....

However....

This is not enough evidence to claim that the human coccyx is vestigial............

 

[whar]

Humans are apes.

The tailbone(coccyx) exists in all apes. It is vestigial in all apes.

 

[Drew_Ali]

No apes or humans have tails or the vestigial remnants of one.................

Apes are Old World anthropoid mammals, more specifically a clade of tailless catarrhine primates, belonging to the biological superfamily Hominoidea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

 

[Drew_Ali]

The one type of tale that you humans do have is.......

*BIG PUN*

 

[whar]

You see that thing at the end of their spine that looks like a little tail? Well that's the vestige of a fucking tail!