Coming soon: our next stage, Homo evolutus.

[Bodhi]

The coccyx remains because it serves its primary purpose.......

To provide an attachment for our pelvic organs so that they will not collapse.......

Its function in muscular attachment is its secondary function; it is not necessary -- which is why it can be surgically removed.

In humans and other tailless primates (e.g., great apes) since Nacholapithecus (a Miocene hominoid), the coccyx is the remnant of a vestigial tail, but still not entirely useless; it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments—which makes it necessary for physicians and patients to pay special attention to these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL......

it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments—which makes it necessary for physicians and patients to pay special attention to these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx.[/i]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx

Therefore.....

The coccyx does not match the definition we discussed & agreed upon earlier..............

Important certainly correlates to "useful function"........

im·por·tant

adjective

1.

of much or great significance or consequence: an important event in world history.

2.

mattering much (usually followed by to ): details important to a fair decision.

3.

entitled to more than ordinary consideration or notice: an important exception.

4.

prominent or large: He played an important part in national politics.

5.

of considerable influence or authority, as a person or position: an important scientist.

Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function.

^^^ So this definition, in other words, is:

A degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no [usefulness or purpose], but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a[nother] useful function.

 

[Bodhi]

Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function.

The coccyx can be surgically removed, although it serves a purpose, it's purpose is not "great", "mattering much", "prominent or large", etc. etc.

It is a vestigial structure that has little utility

 

[Drew_Ali]

LOL......

it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments—which makes it necessary for physicians and patients to pay special attention to these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx.[/i]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx

Therefore.....

The coccyx does not match the definition we discussed & agreed upon earlier..............

Important certainly correlates to "useful function"........

Nowhere to run.....

Again.....

 

[whar]

Since the appendix can be removed to no side-effects whatever possible function it has must be minimal.

The tailbone primary purpose is to support a tail. It is vestigial in humans. As for proof the fact that humans still occasionally develop tails is proof enough for a reasonable person.

 

[whar]

Also you may want to look up Danth's law. You violate it to comic effect.

 

[Drew_Ali]

Since the appendix can be removed to no side-effects whatever possible function it has must be minimal.

The tailbone primary purpose is to support a tail. It is vestigial in humans. As for proof the fact that humans still occasionally develop tails is proof enough for a reasonable person.

The list of organs / body parts that can be surgically removed is vast........

Fingers. toes, feet, hands, arms, legs, teeth, nose, eyes, face, ears, hair, ect................

This does not provide proof that they are evolutionary vestiges.......

Humans occasionally develop extra digits, or organs outside of their bodies............

No "proof" for evolution........

 

[Bodhi]

LOL......

it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments—which makes it necessary for physicians and patients to pay special attention to these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx.[/i]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx

Therefore.....

The coccyx does not match the definition we discussed & agreed upon earlier..............

Important certainly correlates to "useful function"........

Nowhere to run.....

Again.....

The coccyx can be surgically removed; although it serves a purpose, it's purpose is not "great", "mattering much", "prominent or large", etc. etc. It is a vestigial structure that has little utility

 

[Bodhi]

The list of organs / body parts that can be surgically removed is vast........

Fingers. toes, feet, hands, arms, legs, teeth, nose, eyes, face, ears, hair, ect................

This does not provide proof that they are evolutionary vestiges.......

The removal of these things brings a loss of function/ability, e.g. removing legs stops one from walking. The body will not "collapse" with the removal of the coccyx, as you've ignorantly said it would:

The coccyx remains because it serves its primary purpose.......

To provide an attachment for our pelvic organs so that they will not collapse.......

 

[whar]

None of those thing you list can be removed without known side effects other than those associated to surgery.

Developing a 6th finger is different that developing your first tail. It is the fact that humans carry the genetic code to develop tails which is part of the 'proof' part. Also you should really swap proof with evidence. This isn't math. There are no proofs.

 

[Drew_Ali]

The list of organs / body parts that can be surgically removed is vast........

Fingers. toes, feet, hands, arms, legs, teeth, nose, eyes, face, ears, hair, ect................

This does not provide proof that they are evolutionary vestiges.......

The removal of these things brings a loss of function/ability, e.g. removing legs stops one from walking. The body will not "collapse" with the removal of the coccyx, as you've ignorantly said it would:

The coccyx remains because it serves its primary purpose.......

To provide an attachment for our pelvic organs so that they will not collapse.......

LOL......

The human body never fully recovers from a coccygectomy.......

Prior functons are lost and have to be regained through physical therapy.......

 

[Drew_Ali]

The coccyx can be surgically removed; although it serves a purpose, it's purpose is not "great", "mattering much", "prominent or large", etc. etc. It is a vestigial structure that has little utility

it is an important attachment for various muscles, tendons and ligaments—which makes it necessary for physicians and patients to pay special attention to these attachments when considering surgical removal of the coccyx.[/i]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx

LOL......

Therefore.....

The coccyx does not match the definition we discussed & agreed upon earlier..............

Important certainly correlates to "useful function"........

Nowhere to run.....

Again.....

 

[Drew_Ali]

None of those thing you list can be removed without known side effects other than those associated to surgery.

Developing a 6th finger is different that developing your first tail. It is the fact that humans carry the genetic code to develop tails which is part of the 'proof' part. Also you should really swap proof with evidence. This isn't math. There are no proofs.

Infrequently, a child is born with a "soft tail", which contains no vertebrae, but only blood vessels, muscles, and nerves, although there have been several documented cases of tails containing cartilage or up to five vertebrae.

Again.....

Humans have more common birth defects like cleft lips, and extra limbs..............

The "tail" is infrequent..........

I understand the difference between evidence and proof........

You need to understand the facts...........

 

[Bodhi]

The human body never fully recovers from a coccygectomy.......

Prior functons are lost and have to be regained through physical therapy.......

Link?

Which functions might those be?

recovery from the surgery is a long and uncomfortable process for the patient.

Generally, it takes three months to a year after the surgery before patients see any relief from their symptoms, and of course sitting is very difficult throughout the healing process.


http://www.spine-health.com/conditions/lower-back-pain/coccygectomy-surgery-coccydynia-tailbone-pain

The patient does, does in fact, heal from the circumventing and suffers only temporary pain.

 

[Bodhi]

heal from the coccygectomy***

 

[Drew_Ali]

The human body never fully recovers from a coccygectomy.......

Prior functons are lost and have to be regained through physical therapy.......

Link?

Which functions might those be?

recovery from the surgery is a long and uncomfortable process for the patient.

Generally, it takes three months to a year after the surgery before patients see any relief from their symptoms, and of course sitting is very difficult throughout the healing process.


http://www.spine-health.com/conditions/lower-back-pain/coccygectomy-surgery-coccydynia-tailbone-pain

The patient does, does in fact, heal from the circumventing and suffers only temporary pain.

The multiple muscular and ligamentous attachments to the coccyx present additional anatomic concerns for patients undergoing coccygectomy.........

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2

 

[Bodhi]

There are, of course, risks involved as there are with most surgeries. However, a successful procedure can be completed with good recovery.

 

[Drew_Ali]

There are, of course, risks involved as there are with most surgeries. However, a successful procedure can be completed with good recovery.

You have no evidence, other than your vivid infantile imagination to support the claim that humans had "functioning" tails.......

You can sign-up to get your coccyx removed...........

I will pass.......

If it serves so little function...........

Why all the major complications?.?.?.?.?.?

 

[Bodhi]

What complications you referring to? The only complications post are either (1) due to medical/surgical mistakes or (2) infection risk. Then thirdly, the procedure may be a failure altogether where the patient continues to endure pain that the surgery was supposed to get rid of.

The main risk with this surgery involves the surgeon accidentally moving out of the subperiosteal plane around the bone during dissection. The rectum lies right in front of the coccyx, and if this is violated a severe infection could result. While it is unlikely, it is possible that if this were to happen, a diverting colostomy would be necessary to allow the rectum to heal.

Other potential risks include wound healing difficulties and/or local infection. Unlike most other spine surgeries, there are no significant nerve roots in the region that would be at risk.

Perhaps the biggest risk is continued pain in the coccyx post-operatively, meaning that the patient has to endure the long healing process and still has not had improvement in the symptoms.
http://www.spine-health.com/conditions/lower-back-pain/coccygectomy-surgery-coccydynia-tailbone-pain

 

[Drew_Ali]

What complications you referring to? The only complications post are either (1) due to medical/surgical mistakes or (2) infection risk. Then thirdly, the procedure may be a failure altogether where the patient continues to endure pain that the surgery was supposed to get rid of.

The multiple muscular and ligamentous attachments to the coccyx present additional anatomic concerns for patients undergoing coccygectomy.........

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2

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