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[Bodhi]

The only complications post surgery are either***

 

[Drew_Ali]

The only complications post surgery are.......

Pelvic Relaxation or pelvic floor sagging & fecal incontinence.......

Pelvic relaxation is a weakening of the supportive muscles and ligaments of the pelvic floor. This condition, which affects women and is usually caused by childbirth, aging, and problems with support, causes the pelvic floor to sag and press into the wall of the vagina.

The pelvic floor normally holds the uterus and the bladder in position above the vagina. When the pelvic floor becomes stretched and damaged, these organs can sag into the vagina, sometimes bulging out through the vaginal opening. A sagging uterus is referred to as a uterine prolapse, pelvic floor hernia, or pudendal hernia. A sagging bladder is referred to as a bladder prolapse, or cystocele. Other organs, such as the rectum and intestine, can also sag into the vagina as a result of a weakened pelvic floor.

Symptoms:

~ an aching sensation in the vagina, lower abdomen, groin or lower back

~ heaviness or pressure in the vaginal area, as if something is about to "fall out" of the vagina

~ bladder control problems that worsen with heavy lifting, coughing, or sneezing

~ frequent urinary tract infections

~ difficulty having a bowel movement
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pelvic+Relaxation

 

[Bodhi]

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).

^^^ possibilities, but not certainties. certainties. A successful operation may happen to avoid these complications.

 

[Bodhi]

A link highlighting truth to what you're saying is long overdue.

 

[Drew_Ali]

A link highlighting truth to what you're saying is long overdue.

So now I am intellectually dishonest?.?.?.?

FOH........

I have dropped mad references..........

Bibliography:
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/13-evolution-full-tilt#.UT67_xwz0ti
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=18031#.UT7Jcxwz0tg
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=vestige&allowed_in_frame=0
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/?p=1350#.UT9G2Bwz0th
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...rats-cancer-resistance-revealed/#.UVDEeVeJ6M0
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/02/gulo_shared_mut056281.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudogene#Potential_function
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pelvic+Relaxation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx

 

[Bodhi]

I'm referring to your claim that a patient will suffer continuously and unceasingly until death post coccygectomy. You will need a reference/source for that.

It seems you've made an error here:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2

The physical therapy involving manually working on tight, painful muscular structures such as the levator ani, coccygeus, or piriformis muscles, Myofascial release techniques, [and] Local modalities is for coccydynia (a medical term meaning pain in the coccyx or tailbone area, usually brought on by sitting too abruptly), and is not the result of a coccygectomy, as you've mistakenly asserted. As for coccygectomies, your source does mention it as a solution to coccydynia (patients may receive relief via coccygectomy) and refers to "postoperative complications" but as I've previously affirmed, these complications are temporary and include such things as infection which is not certain or permanent: potential risks include wound healing difficulties and/or local infection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccydynia
http://www.spine-health.com/conditions/lower-back-pain/coccygectomy-surgery-coccydynia-tailbone-pain

 

[Drew_Ali]

You have made the claim that:

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).

^^^ possibilities, but not certainties. certainties. A successful operation may happen to avoid these complications.

However there is also a possibility that the surgeon fails, power fails, ect........

I made no errors.........

The material that I referenced was specific towards the surgical removal of the coccyx...............

I stated that the human body never fully recovers from the surgical removal of the coccyx..........

The human body never fully recovers from a coccygectomy.......

Prior functons are lost and have to be regained through physical therapy.......

Link?

Which functions might those be?

recovery from the surgery is a long and uncomfortable process for the patient.

Generally, it takes three months to a year after the surgery before patients see any relief from their symptoms, and of course sitting is very difficult throughout the healing process.


http://www.spine-health.com/conditions/lower-back-pain/coccygectomy-surgery-coccydynia-tailbone-pain

The patient does, does in fact, heal from the circumventing and suffers only temporary pain.

The multiple muscular and ligamentous attachments to the coccyx present additional anatomic concerns for patients undergoing coccygectomy.........

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2

 

[whar]

Infrequently, a child is born with a "soft tail", which contains no vertebrae, but only blood vessels, muscles, and nerves, although there have been several documented cases of tails containing cartilage or up to five vertebrae.

Intellectual dishonesty 101 : When quoting indicate that it is a quote. As found under the Human Tail section
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail

And as a beautiful example of selective data and quote-mining the full quote is provided.

"Human embryos have a tail that measures about one-sixth of the size of the embryo itself.[1] As the embryo develops into a fetus, the tail is absorbed by the growing body. The developmental tail is thus a human vestigial structure.[2][3] Infrequently, a child is born with a "soft tail", which contains no vertebrae, but only blood vessels, muscles, and nerves, although there have been several documented cases of tails containing cartilage or up to five vertebrae.[4]”

Gotta love the part where you cut out the information DIRECTLY refuting your position but still use the source.

 

[Drew_Ali]

Infrequently, a child is born with a "soft tail", which contains no vertebrae, but only blood vessels, muscles, and nerves, although there have been several documented cases of tails containing cartilage or up to five vertebrae.

Intellectual dishonesty 101 : When quoting indicate that it is a quote. As found under the Human Tail section
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail

And as a beautiful example of selective data and quote-mining the full quote is provided.

"Human embryos have a tail that measures about one-sixth of the size of the embryo itself.[1] As the embryo develops into a fetus, the tail is absorbed by the growing body. The developmental tail is thus a human vestigial structure.[2][3] Infrequently, a child is born with a "soft tail", which contains no vertebrae, but only blood vessels, muscles, and nerves, although there have been several documented cases of tails containing cartilage or up to five vertebrae.[4]”

Gotta love the part where you cut out the information DIRECTLY refuting your position but still use the source.

Whatever.......

Do I need to provide you a reference for the sun shining or the sky being blue?.?.?.?

If you like that you will love this one.......

"As the embryo develops into a fetus, the tail is absorbed by the growing body. The developmental tail contains no vertebrae, but only blood vessels, muscles, and nerves, although there have been several documented cases of tails containing cartilage or up to five vertebrae."

 

[Drew_Ali]

& That was included in the bibliography..............

See, coccyx....

A link highlighting truth to what you're saying is long overdue.

So now I am intellectually dishonest?.?.?.?

FOH........

I have dropped mad references..........

Bibliography:
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/13-evolution-full-tilt#.UT67_xwz0ti
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=18031#.UT7Jcxwz0tg
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=vestige&allowed_in_frame=0
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/?p=1350#.UT9G2Bwz0th
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...rats-cancer-resistance-revealed/#.UVDEeVeJ6M0
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/02/gulo_shared_mut056281.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudogene#Potential_function
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pelvic+Relaxation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx

 

[Bodhi]

there is also a possibility that the surgeon fails, power fails, ect........

Right. A successful procedure avoids risks involving temporary pain and a coccygectomy in general certainly does not put you at risk of any permanent damage whatsoever

I made no errors........

False. I've pointed them out for you.

The material that I referenced was specific towards the surgical removal of the coccyx........

Not all of it. You just gave me links for things unrelated to what I asked for.

I stated that the human body never fully recovers from the surgical removal of the coccyx........

...which is untrue. You need a link from a reputable source for such a claim.

 

[Drew_Ali]

Why else would a human have their coccyx removed?????

coccydynia

The multiple muscular and ligamentous attachments to the coccyx present additional anatomic concerns for patients undergoing coccygectomy.........

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).

Although a number of small studies have reported significant rates of symptomatic relief via coccygectomy, the authors of these reports have generally indicated that surgery was performed in only a small percentage of the patients presenting with coccydynia. For example, one study reported that of all patients with coccydynia referred for orthopedic surgical consultation, only 15% underwent surgical treatment.[20]

Further, most of the authors of the surgical studies have recommended a thorough course of nonsurgical treatment (eg, oral medications, series of injections) prior to considering surgery.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2

 

[Drew_Ali]

 

[Bodhi]

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).

We've already went over this. Pay attention to the bolded. These are not certainties. These are possibilities, i.e. risks, of surgical procedure which is why care is needed. You still have not provided your source to back you up in claiming that a patient will never recover after a coccygectomy.

 

[Bodhi]

Niggas resort to posting silly gifs when they have no legs to stand on...............

 

[Drew_Ali]

For example, the levator ani and other pelvic floor muscles attach directly to the coccyx; thus, some degree of sagging of the pelvic floor is possible after coccygectomy.........

Another important attachment to the coccyx is the sphincter ani externus, which is responsible for bowel continence (thus raising the possibility of surgical complications, such as fecal incontinence).

We've already went over this. Pay attention to the bolded. These are not certainties. These are possibilities, i.e. risks, of surgical procedure which is why care is needed. You still have not provided your source to back you up in claiming that a patient will never recover after a coccygectomy.

I don't know why it is so difficult for you to grasp that this is not a routine procedure.........

Although a number of small studies have reported significant rates of symptomatic relief via coccygectomy, the authors of these reports have generally indicated that surgery was performed in only a small percentage of the patients presenting with coccydynia. For example, one study reported that of all patients with coccydynia referred for orthopedic surgical consultation, only 15% underwent surgical treatment.[20]

Further, most of the authors of the surgical studies have recommended a thorough course of nonsurgical treatment (eg, oral medications, series of injections) prior to considering surgery.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/309486-treatment#aw2aab6b6b2

Without a coccyx, the pelvic floor muscles will be damaged and have to be rehabilitated............

Even when these muscles and tendons have "healed"

They will have to constantly be "trained" or have therapy to preform their original functions...........

 

[Ajackson17]

Too much words my negro brain can't handle it ugh ugh ugh ugh

 

[Bodhi]

I don't know why it is so difficult for you to grasp that this is not a routine procedure.........

^^^ Red herring. Whether the procedure is routine or not is not the issue.

Without a coccyx, the pelvic floor muscles will be damaged and have to be rehabilitated............

Again, this is not a certainty and again, even with this risk, the effects are not permanent

 

[Bodhi]

Childbirth is also a cause of pelvic floor damage; this does not mean that the damage is certain, i.e. childbirth does not necessarily cause damage to the pelvic floor. The coccyx, as a vestige, has little to no utility and its much larger function has been lost in humans.

 

[Bodhi]

The coccyx, or tailbone, is the remnant of a lost tail. All mammals have a tail at one point in their development; in humans, it is present for a period of 4 weeks, during stages 14 to 22 of human embryogenesis. This tail is most prominent in human embryos 31–35 days old. The tailbone, located at the end of the spine, has lost its original function in assisting balance and mobility, though it still serves some secondary functions, such as being an attachment point for muscles, which explains why it has not degraded further.