Monk, damnit son, you know exactly what the other cat means lol.
in that latest Z movie battle of the gods(which was Lame as fuck mind you). Goku went toe to toe with a brotha that accidentlty destroyed 4 planets within 2 seconds when he ate some spicey food he couldnt handle lol...the brotha then got punished like a lil kid by his mentor lmao
them Z power levels are ridiculous lol, just like this discussion, you got marvel dudes having the power of the entire universe and shit, z warriors matchinf Gods and so on.
in that latest Z movie battle of the gods(which was Lame as fuck mind you). Goku went toe to toe with a brotha that accidentlty destroyed 4 planets within 2 seconds when he ate some spicey food he couldnt handle lol...the brotha then got punished like a lil kid by his mentor lmao
them Z power levels are ridiculous lol, just like this discussion, you got marvel dudes having the power of the entire universe and shit, z warriors matchinf Gods and so on.
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Nah, I'm really not trying to be a dick about this. I just don't agree that the Z fighters are at the level where they can destroy planets with errant energy. They have to consciously be attempting to destroy a planet or use enough energy capable of destroying a planet. That's a completely different matter than something like this:
Surfer and the enemy aren't trying to destroy the planet. They didn't attack the planet or have an attack deflected so that it struck the planet directly. They were just in a power struggle and the energy that flowed from their struggle destroyed the planet. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that if Vegeta and Goku were locked together in a similar manner that their raging power would destroy the Earth.
Surfer and the enemy aren't trying to destroy the planet. They didn't attack the planet or have an attack deflected so that it struck the planet directly. They were just in a power struggle and the energy that flowed from their struggle destroyed the planet. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that if Vegeta and Goku were locked together in a similar manner that their raging power would destroy the Earth.
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The Lonious Monk;6936580 said:Nah, I'm really not trying to be a dick about this. I just don't agree that the Z fighters are at the level where they can destroy planets with errant energy. They have to consciously be attempting to destroy a planet or use enough energy capable of destroying a planet. That's a completely different matter than something like this:
Surfer and the enemy aren't trying to destroy the planet. They didn't attack the planet or have an attack deflected so that it struck the planet directly. They were just in a power struggle and the energy that flowed from their struggle destroyed the planet. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that if Vegeta and Goku were locked together in a similar manner that their raging power would destroy the Earth.
Morg was a BEAST. He whooped the Surfer's ass. Whooped all of the Herald's asses at the same time.
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Hulk could take 'em. The madder he gets the stronger he gets.
The Lonious Monk;6936580 said:Nah, I'm really not trying to be a dick about this. I just don't agree that the Z fighters are at the level where they can destroy planets with errant energy. They have to consciously be attempting to destroy a planet or use enough energy capable of destroying a planet. That's a completely different matter than something like this:
Surfer and the enemy aren't trying to destroy the planet. They didn't attack the planet or have an attack deflected so that it struck the planet directly. They were just in a power struggle and the energy that flowed from their struggle destroyed the planet. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that if Vegeta and Goku were locked together in a similar manner that their raging power would destroy the Earth.
there is, Goku and Vegeta simply dont do it because they dont want to destroy a planet. They know what theyre capable of. Silver Surfer doesnt know or dont give a fuck I guess.
just like that villain from the Z anime I told you bout in my previous post. Brotha accidently destroyed some planets within seconds cause the sambal on his sushi was to spicy lol. He didnt even realize what he did...
Goku can do the Same....just like Superman could, but you wont see either of them doing such a thing for obvious reasons
The Lonious Monk;6936580 said:Nah, I'm really not trying to be a dick about this. I just don't agree that the Z fighters are at the level where they can destroy planets with errant energy. They have to consciously be attempting to destroy a planet or use enough energy capable of destroying a planet. That's a completely different matter than something like this:
Surfer and the enemy aren't trying to destroy the planet. They didn't attack the planet or have an attack deflected so that it struck the planet directly. They were just in a power struggle and the energy that flowed from their struggle destroyed the planet. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that if Vegeta and Goku were locked together in a similar manner that their raging power would destroy the Earth.
And there wont be, that is not exactly a fair comparison.
Silver Surfer can both survive a planet explosion, and survive in space.
None of the Z fighters can do that, it would be committing suicide, murder suicide actually.
If we are are using that reasoning, that there is nothing to suggest they could easily destroy a planet, we can go even further than that and say they can't even easily destroy a continent, since there is nothing to suggest they can.
The Z fighters have three things going against them.
1. They can't survive a planet explosion or space.
2. Their not down with killings billions of people including their families
3. They're not trying to turn Earth into a waste land. (referring to buy there are no destruction of continents.)
^ These three things don't apply to the Silver Surfer, so he has no qualms about using his full power.
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BoldChild;6936775 said:The Lonious Monk;6936580 said:Nah, I'm really not trying to be a dick about this. I just don't agree that the Z fighters are at the level where they can destroy planets with errant energy. They have to consciously be attempting to destroy a planet or use enough energy capable of destroying a planet. That's a completely different matter than something like this:
Surfer and the enemy aren't trying to destroy the planet. They didn't attack the planet or have an attack deflected so that it struck the planet directly. They were just in a power struggle and the energy that flowed from their struggle destroyed the planet. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that if Vegeta and Goku were locked together in a similar manner that their raging power would destroy the Earth.
And there wont be, that is not exactly a fair comparison.
Silver Surfer can both survive a planet explosion, and survive in space.
None of the Z fighters can do that, it would be committing suicide, murder suicide actually.
If we are are using that reasoning, that there is nothing to suggest they could easily destroy a planet, we can go even further than that and say they can't even easily destroy a continent, since there is nothing to suggest they can.
The Z fighters have three things going against them.
1. They can't survive a planet explosion or space.
2. Their not down with killings billions of people including their families
3. They're not trying to turn Earth into a waste land. (referring to buy there are no destruction of continents.)
^ These three things don't apply to the Silver Surfer, so he has no qualms about using his full power.
First, you guys are missing the point. Surfer and Morg were not trying to destroy the planet. They were caught in a deadlock and the energy from their struggle was enough to destroy the planet. So all those reasons you gave for why the Z fighters wouldn't do it aren't relevant. And Surfer has more fine control of his powers than anybody in the Z universe could ever hope to have, so it's not a matter of him not knowing his own power or not having control.
On top of all that, Vegeta didn't fully come around to being a true good guy until the very end. He was still killing innocent people in the last ac and not giving a flying fuck. So you're crazy if you're saying Vegeta wouldn't do something because he wanted to preserve life. The dude said on more than one occasion that he didn't give a fuck about the Earth or anyone on it.
And lol @ saying not wanting to cause wanton destruction and death doesn't apply to Surfer. The dude is basically Space Gandhi. He pretty much jobs in 90% of his fights because he doesn't like going all out and destroying people.
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That's a completely illogical response.
Surfer has reinvigorated stars, closed black holes, and manipulated a mass of energy that was stated to be powerful enough to destroy all life in the universe.
In other words, no one in the DBZ Universe comes anywhere close to Surfer in terms of power. Furthermore, you keep on using the feats of this one character and applying it to everyone. Let's assume that this guy is comparable to the higher Marvel tiers. How does that support what's being discussed in this topic? His feats aren't Goku's and Vegeta's feats. I didn't see that movie, but didn't Goku basically turn into a SSJ god by absorbing the energy from all the other Saiyans and still failed to definitively beat the enemy? Come on. Ya'll dudes are being ridiculous. I like Goku and Vegeta too, but these dudes are not fucking with the top tier Marvel heroes and they aren't packing the kinda power that would allow them to crush planets like peanut shells.
Surfer has reinvigorated stars, closed black holes, and manipulated a mass of energy that was stated to be powerful enough to destroy all life in the universe.
In other words, no one in the DBZ Universe comes anywhere close to Surfer in terms of power. Furthermore, you keep on using the feats of this one character and applying it to everyone. Let's assume that this guy is comparable to the higher Marvel tiers. How does that support what's being discussed in this topic? His feats aren't Goku's and Vegeta's feats. I didn't see that movie, but didn't Goku basically turn into a SSJ god by absorbing the energy from all the other Saiyans and still failed to definitively beat the enemy? Come on. Ya'll dudes are being ridiculous. I like Goku and Vegeta too, but these dudes are not fucking with the top tier Marvel heroes and they aren't packing the kinda power that would allow them to crush planets like peanut shells.
The Lonious Monk;6936857 said:BoldChild;6936775 said:The Lonious Monk;6936580 said:Nah, I'm really not trying to be a dick about this. I just don't agree that the Z fighters are at the level where they can destroy planets with errant energy. They have to consciously be attempting to destroy a planet or use enough energy capable of destroying a planet. That's a completely different matter than something like this:
Surfer and the enemy aren't trying to destroy the planet. They didn't attack the planet or have an attack deflected so that it struck the planet directly. They were just in a power struggle and the energy that flowed from their struggle destroyed the planet. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that if Vegeta and Goku were locked together in a similar manner that their raging power would destroy the Earth.
And there wont be, that is not exactly a fair comparison.
Silver Surfer can both survive a planet explosion, and survive in space.
None of the Z fighters can do that, it would be committing suicide, murder suicide actually.
If we are are using that reasoning, that there is nothing to suggest they could easily destroy a planet, we can go even further than that and say they can't even easily destroy a continent, since there is nothing to suggest they can.
The Z fighters have three things going against them.
1. They can't survive a planet explosion or space.
2. Their not down with killings billions of people including their families
3. They're not trying to turn Earth into a waste land. (referring to buy there are no destruction of continents.)
^ These three things don't apply to the Silver Surfer, so he has no qualms about using his full power.
First, you guys are missing the point. Surfer and Morg were not trying to destroy the planet. They were caught in a deadlock and the energy from their struggle was enough to destroy the planet.
Nah, I didn't miss the point, I never said they were trying to destroy the planet, what I said was they weren't putting forth a conscious effort to not destroy it, because their lives weren't dependent on it.
I was mainly speaking of the Z fighters as a whole, Vegeta is the exception, and Vegeta's mind was afflicted by the Majinn spell, Vegeta may not have cared about other Earthlings but he did care about his family, and he wasn't going to put them at risk.
Not going to comment on this, because I'm not a superhero comic fan, but all I know is he used to work for Galactus, and eventually turned against him.
And if it doesn't the number 1 point still applies, The Z fighters cannot survive a planet explosion, or space, so there is no way in hell they would commit suicide, which would be the only way to physically show they can destroy a planet just from going all out in a fight. (aside from a simulation)
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Look we can go around this point all you want, but you can not provide one single solitary piece of evidence that shows that any of the Z fighters are that powerful. It just doesn't exist. You guys are performing all the mental gymnastics to try and support a point that can't be substantiated.
We've seen the Z fighters fighting at their very limits on more than one occasion and we've never see any kinda exertion that affected things on a planetary level. At most, they are able to affect things in their vicinity and that's it. Hell Buu was so powerful that he was busting holes in reality. He gave no fucks about the world or the people, so he had not qualms about letting his power flow, and yet he wasn't destroying the Earth with his excess energy either. They just aren't that strong, period.
We've seen the Z fighters fighting at their very limits on more than one occasion and we've never see any kinda exertion that affected things on a planetary level. At most, they are able to affect things in their vicinity and that's it. Hell Buu was so powerful that he was busting holes in reality. He gave no fucks about the world or the people, so he had not qualms about letting his power flow, and yet he wasn't destroying the Earth with his excess energy either. They just aren't that strong, period.
The Lonious Monk;6937007 said:
fam, you dont know whom Im talking about from the Z uni, so how can you even compare? Or claim nobody in the z verse is fucking with top tier marvel?
its biasssss, thats right Im calling you out monk, youre a Marvel fanboy lol.
and for the record, Goku became the super saiyan god(lol) but changed back to regular Goku during the fight and peaked, Vegeta surpassed Goku in the flick. Overal the movie didnt make much sense and isnt worth watching lol
both Goku and Vegeta can destroy planets like its nothing as other posters have stated but for some reason you refuse to believe that shit. Acting like the cell saga never happened and shit.
The Lonious Monk;6937142 said:
It was actually explained in the manga why buu wasn't going as far as to destroy worlds before his kid buu transformation, there was no benefit in him destroying the world. When he was fat buu, he was focused on having fun, and obeying babidi. After that he was focused on fighting and absorbing z fighters. Kid buu was actually weaker than this version of Buu,(the one who absorbed gohan and co) the reason kid buu was so dangerous was because he gave no fucks about destroying the world, unlike the previous buus.
You do realize that Vegeta sacrificing his life wasn't able to destroy the planet?
You do realize that SSJ3 Goku easily got one shot by someone who can casually destroy planets?
All this holding back nonsense is pure fiction. Even IF the Z-fighters hold back, do you honestly believe that the villains do too? The only people who can destroy planets are Frieza and Buu, both using the Death Ball or some variant of it. Nothing else.
You do realize that SSJ3 Goku easily got one shot by someone who can casually destroy planets?
All this holding back nonsense is pure fiction. Even IF the Z-fighters hold back, do you honestly believe that the villains do too? The only people who can destroy planets are Frieza and Buu, both using the Death Ball or some variant of it. Nothing else.
veikuri;6938881 said:
Already commented on this, blame that on Toriyama's inconsistencies.
veikuri;6938881 said:
Yes, the villians do hold back, until they get pissed off. Both Cell and vegeta attempted to destroy Earth, but were stopped. Buu tried twice, and succeeded his second time.
(notice cell also said solar system, like I said, Toriyama is inconsistent)
@ bold That has nothing to do with my argument, and if you're actually using that as an argument, you just contradicted yourself in the next paragraph, because of this.
> claimed ssj3 Goku can't destroy a planet because he got one shotted by a planet buster.
> Says someone Goku can one shot is a planet buster, but Goku is not (frieza)
"The only people who can destroy planets are Frieza and Buu, both using the Death Ball or some variant of it. Nothing else. "
Sure, so someone who has a power level that's over 300x greater than Frieza's can't destroy a planet? Okay, I'll just stop here.
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I don't really consider Bills to be apart of the Z-Verse seeing as he made one appearance, in a movie at that. I didn't even plan on bringing up that movie until you started to.
Unless they've shown they can destroy planets, then you don't say they can. It would be like giving everyone instant transmission because Goku can do it. It's like giving everyone the Spirit Bomb because base Goku can do it.
Argue feats, not powerscaling.
Unless they've shown they can destroy planets, then you don't say they can. It would be like giving everyone instant transmission because Goku can do it. It's like giving everyone the Spirit Bomb because base Goku can do it.
Argue feats, not powerscaling.
veikuri;6938954 said:
I never brought up the battle of the gods movie, that was someone else.
veikuri;6938954 said:
Not it's not, we know for a fact instant transmission is a skill Goku learned from an Alien race, and it's not something you just learn out of the blue, it has never been associated with his power level, and there have been no mentions of him teaching it to anyone.
Speed, power, and Ki(Ki is power level) on the other hand, we know for sure that those or associated with Power level, and typically, in ~95% all cases, if someone has a bigger power level than you, it means they are greater at all three.
One of the exceptions being SS 1.5 that Trunks and Vegeta were using when they were fighting agaisnt cell.
A persons ability to form energy blast is directly related to their level of Ki, so it's perfectly reasonable to assume that if Frieza is capable of forming a Ki blast strong enough to destroy a planet, someone with a higher power level (Ki) than his canform a more powerful Ki blast than him, with a lot more ease.
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Alkinduz;6937151 said:
If it makes you feel good to call me a Marvel fanboy, then do you. It's not true because as I've said, I like DBZ just like I like Marvel. I'm just able to be objective.
You really just don't seem to comprehend the power gap between DBZ characters and top tier Marvel characters. Ya'll keep going on and on about a DBZ character accidentally destroying a few planets. I already told you that Surfer has destroyed a black hole in the past. Let's put that in perspective. Our sun is hundreds of thousands of times more massive than the earth. Black holes can be hundreds of thousands of times more massive than the sun. Are you starting to understand the difference in power here? I don't know what else to say. Surfer is far superior to the Z characters in pretty much every conceivable way other than raw fighting ability.
BoldChild;6938365 said:
You're talking about why he didn't just go around destroying planets for shits and giggles. I was just pointing out that the bad guys had no reason to hold back. If they accidentally destroyed the world it didn't matter because they could survive space and didn't give a shit about the human race. Yet that never happened.
