The DC Movie Universe Has Some Major Problems That Are Being Overlooked

[TheNightKing]

Maybe I'm being optimistic but I think Jared Leto's joker could stand up to Heath's. We'll see tho.

I'm afraid they might go too far with this rendition of the Joker. He might be too sadistic and not calculating enough. Joker got to be smart and have a plan within his chaos.

 

[Splackavelli]

I strongly disagree with number 10 and cutting corners is a God thing with each. Do we really need to wait another 4or5 years through 5 or 6 justice league set up movies when most of us knows who these characters are ,their origins and their motivations?

And what's up with that dumb justice league photo manip? The rock as John Stewart is a horrible idea. I don't like him as roadblock in the g I Joe movie I definitely I don't want to see him as green lantern

The Rock will be playing Black Adam this should be common knowledge.

I know I was just saYing that that photo manip was ass.

 

[CracceR]

maybe it would have been better if dc started off with maybe flash and a good green lantern movie etc. to build their universe and characters up

and then really bring in batman, superman etc in phase 2

 

[jono]

Marvel takes risks DC doesn't.

When it comes to their characters Marvel has done more for Blade which is an even lower caliber hero than Cap or Iron Man than DC has done for WONDER WOMAN who is the preeminent female superhero on the planet.

When it comes to their character all DC cares about is Batman & Superman, all the other characters revolve around them. In Marvel they will push Punisher, Daredevil and other "lower caliber" heroes in a way DC had always been afraid to do.

I mean seriously Jessica Jones has a TV show, I didn't even know that character existed until the show was announced. Marvel goes in the BAG. DC continues with the Batman/Superman theme.

Continuing with that how many different Superman based TV shows and movies have taken place?

Smallville, Supergirl, Louis & Clark and there are probably others I don't remember. On top of 4 Christopher Reeves Superman movies, Superman Returns, Man of Steel and now Batman Vs Superman.

No other character is positioned that way except Batman. There was an old Wonder Woman show but that in what the 70s?

Why not think outside the box? When Marvel did it now DC is doing it. It comes across as copycatting so yeah the comparison bias is real.

Whether its out of necessity or not is irrelevant they are doing it. DC floundering is their own fault for not building up the other characters before dumping them all in one movie.

And the Aquaman movie is going to flop, the character isn't that interesting and contrary to what was said in here nobody knows what the fuck he is supposed to be. I just call him Water Superman or Superman with fish powers.

Take a chance, if DC had done that in a major way before then BVS would have been more successful.

There's no reason Thor is about to have his third film and we haven't gotten a proper Green Lantern, or a Wonder Woman movie. Those two characters are way more popular but when you cast them as extras in Batman or Superman stories thats how people will take it...they are just extras.

Perception is very important. Marvel took characters that supposedly nobody knew or cared about and made them feel important. DC doesn't do that. Marvel losing Spidey and the X Men ended up being a blessing in disguise because it forced them to care about their other characters just as much if not more

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Word, a booster gold, blue beetle or Mr. Terrific would've been a perfect side intro. The reason why Batman and superman are so big in the DC universe is because they emulate Greek gods so it's not so much relatable as is it Greek tale. Hence, Lex mentions them to Greek poetry in BVS where as Marvel is more down to earth and not overpowered.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Marvel takes risks DC doesn't.

As I said before, Marvel was in the position where they had t take risks.

Whether its out of necessity or not is irrelevant they are doing it.

It is relevant because not only are you in denial, but you're also on that narcotic if believe that Marvel Studios would have went with their B and C list is they would had the rights to Spidey and the X-Men. Somebody needs to find threads on first Iron Man movie. Aside from fanboys on the IC, I seriously doubt anybody knew who Iron Man was let alone his origin. I'm also willing to bet that people saying that Iron Man was going to brick.

DC is floundering is their own fault for not building up the other characters before dumping them all in one movie.

Floundering is too strong of a word, Warner Bros. is only two movies and BvsS back basically be used as a barometer of the WB to gauge to do what they're cinematic universe.

And the Aquaman movie is going to flop, the character isn't that interesting and contrary to what was said in here nobody knows what the fuck he is supposed to be. I just call him Water Superman or Superman with fish powers.

Do you watch The Flash? If you do then you should know that Geoff Johns is one of the executive producers on that show. You should also know that Johns had classic runs on The Flash and Green Lantern. Dude wrote Flashpoint and Darkest Night. He's also redesigned Aquaman to make him a respectable character. Geoff Johns is also in charge of the DC Cinematic Universe. So when you say the Aquaman project is going to brick, what you're saying is you have no faith in Johns ability to select the right people to produce a script, direct, and act in an Aquaman movie, despite the fact he's has track record of producing GOAT material on the comics end.

There's no reason Thor is about to have his third film and we haven't gotten a proper Green Lantern, or a Wonder Woman movie. Those two characters are way more popular but when you cast them as extras in Batman or Superman stories thats how people will take it...they are just extras.

I said that Diana should have been the focal point of their movies.

Marvel losing Spidey and the X Men ended up being a blessing in disguise because it forced them to care about their other characters just as much if not more

Dude didn't you just say that this was irrelevant?

 

[jono]

Marvel takes risks DC doesn't.

As I said before, Marvel was in the position where they had t take risks.

Whether its out of necessity or not is irrelevant they are doing it.

It is relevant because not only are you in denial, but you're also on that narcotic if believe that Marvel Studios would have went with their B and C list is they would had the rights to Spidey and the X-Men. Somebody needs to find threads on first Iron Man movie. Aside from fanboys on the IC, I seriously doubt anybody knew who Iron Man was let alone his origin. I'm also willing to bet that people saying that Iron Man was going to brick.

I already had this statement dealt with. Its an irrelevant point to discuss what could or should happen because what DID happen worked.

Furthermore that argument is pointless when:

Blade had a movie in 1998 what list is he on?

Also there is a Cap movie from 1990 what list is he on?

Punisher has had 3 movies and now a TV show what list is he on

And Hulk is one of the most recognizable comic characters and Marvel does not overexpose him like DC does with Supes and Bats.

But to also consider that you somehow have information others don't have and thus no proof to back up this statement is what makes it a pointless statement. You can't prove it nor can it be disproved.

Floundering is too strong of a word, Warner Bros. is only two movies and BvsS back basically be used as a barometer of the WB to gauge to do what they're cinematic universe.

So floundering then...because Marvel knew what they were doing when they did it.

Do you watch The Flash? If you do then you should know that Geoff Johns is one of the executive producers on that show. You should also know that Johns had classic runs on The Flash and Green Lantern. Dude wrote Flashpoint and Darkest Night. He's also redesigned Aquaman to make him a respectable character. Geoff Johns is also in charge of the DC Cinematic Universe. So when you say the Aquaman project is going to brick, what you're saying is you have no faith in Johns ability to select the right people to produce a script, direct, and act in an Aquaman movie, despite the fact he's has track record of producing GOAT material on the comics end.

Comics aren't movies. So Irrelevant point. Geoff Johns is a great writer though. I fucks with his Green Lantern, too bad it didn't translate to movies.

I see Aquaman looking like Conan The Aquarian that shit not going anywhere. It might be worth a worth a watch just to see but my expectations are VERY low.

I said that Diana should have been the focal point of their movies.

Diana should have her OWN movie and should have had one 20 years ago. Other than smooching on Bats or Supes they do nothing with her.

Dude didn't you just say that this was irrelevant?

No i said discussing what "would" happen is irrelevant Because you don't know that.

So you had no argument at all. Disappointing.

 

[nujerz84]

Idk why dude you so adamant Aquaman will brick, seems like you got a personal beef/dislike with Aquaman as a Character.

How many predicted that Antman and Guardians of The Galaxy would get a film let alone be successful.

 

[nujerz84]

Word, a booster gold, blue beetle or Mr. Terrific would've been a perfect side intro. The reason why Batman and superman are so big in the DC universe is because they emulate Greek gods so it's not so much relatable as is it Greek tale. Hence, Lex mentions them to Greek poetry in BVS where as Marvel is more down to earth and not overpowered.

Are we talking or movies??

Strictly from character perspective I always felt that Marvel heroes were more Superpowered than DC and way more in the realm of science fiction. That even the street level fighters have super powers that humans don't.

Partly why as a kid I loved Marvel but as I got older I lost all interest in that publication.

 

[jono]

I had zero faith in Antman nor do I like the character particularly and I was unfamiliar with Guardians before the movie came out.

I gave em a chance.

I'll give Aquaman the same chance but that character is trash.

My larger point that keeps getting ignored due to hurt feelings is DC GIVES FANS THE PERCEPTION THAT IF ITS NOT BATMAN OR SUPERMAN YOU SHOULD NOT CARE and have been doing this for awhile

 

[nujerz84]

Seems to me you still have the whole superfriends/family guy view of Aqua Man, that pretty much makes your opinion on the character invalid.

A live action version of Throne of Atlantis would kill all that bullshit but that probably not happening

Its not the character of Aquaman, its the folks in charge of the movie Im concerned about.

 

[iron man1]

Seems to me you still have the whole superfriends/family guy view of Aqua Man, that pretty much makes your opinion on the character invalid.

A live action version of Throne of Atlantis would kill all that bullshit but that probably not happening

Its not the character of Aquaman, its the folks in charge of the movie Im concerned about.

The Trenchers are first up for Aquamans movie that shit is going to be fire especially with James Wan directing. His imagination, the oceans creatures that we still don't know about, and this being primarily under or involving water for the first time on the big screen is going to be insane. Anyone doubting Aquaman needs to read Geoff Johns Aquaman run Asap.

 

[CracceR]

i never read an aquaman comic but is the whole movie gonna be underwater?

thats gonna be really hard to pull off imo

when was the last time a movie played underwater most of the time?

probably arielle and nemo and they both cartoons

guardians of the galaxy and antman were much easier

my expectations for dc movies are not that high after bvs

 

[Beta]

People definitely knew who Iron man was before the movie

Not MUCH but they knew about him

 

[Maximus Rex]

People definitely knew who Iron man was before the movie

Not MUCH but they knew about him

No they didn't. The only media Iron Man was in before the movies, were the cartoons from the 60's and the 90's. The most visible recognizable Marvel properties before the movies were Spider-Man, the Hulk, the X-Men, (Wolverine in particular,) and probably F.F.

Iron Man'em were C list chacters. John Q. Public couldn't tell you who Iron Man was (or any Avenger for that matter,) hell before the movies came out, if you showed people a picture of Tony (in the armor,) with his helmet on, they'd probably think that he was a robot. Also much couldn't tell Superman and Spider-Man were never in the same cartoons or movies.

I've had similar dicussionsbon that wack ass G.I.JOE board H.I.S.S. Tank and people are under delusions of fuckin' granduer about the popularity of superheroes that aren't named Superman, The Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and to a lesser extent the Hulk, Green Lantern, the Flash and Aquaman.

Though I've always wanted to read the title, the only Marvel books I read were the three Spidey titles, two of the four mutant books, G.I. JOE, and Transformers what little knowledge I had of Iron Man came from reading his entry The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe and The Marvel Saga.

 

[nujerz84]

Iron Man was C list prior to movies to the general public...Spiderman, Hulk, Captain America, Xmen and Even Fantastic 4 were on a higher pecking order and more known than Iron Man.

Throw in Punisher as well.

 

[northside7]

No-sign #6. Too dark? Smdh

 

[soul rattler]

Yeah, merely knowing about a character's existence isn't proof of it being popular.

Hell, I knew Iron man was the guy with the mullet and porn goatee in the red and yellow suit but that's literally it.

I consider a popular character one where most people know random facts about it: Spiderman bit by a radioactive spider, kryptonite is Superman's weakness, the X-Men are a team of mutants, Wonder Woman has a lasso and invisible jet, Hulk gets angry, Batman doesn't have any superpowers, etc.

That's shit everybody fuckin knows. Before the MCU, casual movie fans couldn't tell you Black Widow was a Russian Spy turned SHIELD agent or that Hank Pym and Scott Lang wore the same suit.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Yeah, merely knowing about a character's existence isn't proof of it being popular.

Hell, I knew Iron man was the guy with the mullet and porn goatee in the red and yellow suit but that's literally it.

I consider a popular character one where most people know random facts about it: Spiderman bit by a radioactive spider, kryptonite is Superman's weakness, the X-Men are a team of mutants, Wonder Woman has a lasso and invisible jet, Hulk gets angry, Batman doesn't have any superpowers, etc.

That's shit everybody fuckin knows. Before the MCU, casual movie fans couldn't tell you Black Widow was a Russian Spy turned SHIELD agent or that Hank Pym and Scott Lang wore the same suit.

Or DC and Marvel were two different companies whose characters lived in two different universes.