Meet The Sniper
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Forreal, lets just take it toe to toe. Lay out all the "better" 2000s rappers and get a direct 90s comparison, though I doubt you'll agree you'll agree with the results.
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5th Letter
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The mainstream was more diverse in the 90's than it was in the 00's. Everybody was getting shine and neither the radio or the labels were pushing one type of artist that fit within a mold. Also skills meant something so that meant if you were wack you were not taken serious.
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DaPrinciplez
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Meet The Sniper;529605 said:
Exactly what needs to be done.
BTW Jay Z a 90's rapper.
I just laid out a whole fuckin post doin this and sayin whos better then who and it got fucked up and didnt get posted /wrists.
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grumpy_new_yorker
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if ignorance is bliss, so is down syndrome. you lost.
naming a bunch of names and doing this...
rapper A>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rapper B
...is not proving shit. hip hop is a huge toilet bowl now with rappers shittin on the culture.
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DaPrinciplez
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Ok....
Do this for us man, if you think 2000 era rap shit is better then the 90's please list us a few albums from the 00's you couldnt live without....some classics.
Then we'll see which catalogue of classics from both generations is the one people would want.
Do this for us man, if you think 2000 era rap shit is better then the 90's please list us a few albums from the 00's you couldnt live without....some classics.
Then we'll see which catalogue of classics from both generations is the one people would want.
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The Smooth One
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I'll take Royce over AZ for the most part... They are both in my top.
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braindeadgroup
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When you mention groups like Slaughterhouse or rappers like Lupe Fiasco I hope you understand they are NOT the standard new millennium rapper. They are actually rappers who are influenced by, and typically recreating, or imitating (depends on how you take it) the rap music from the 90's era.
You can point to any list of rappers from any generation and you will find great rappers, and you will find horrible rappers.
The only fair way to compare this would be to take a look at the top sellers, I know sales are not everything. But when you look at a Wu-Tang Clan...they were able to release a #1 record in the 90's. If you look at Slaughterhouse they flopped super hard in this millennium of rap. You know...even that first...2000 - 2004/2005 wasn't so bad....it's really the last 5 years that have been awful.
When you compare the music, you gotta take more than saying Wu-Tang > Slaughterhouse. Because you're discrediting Slaughterhouse, they're dope. Statik Selektah came out with some dope compilations. Cormega had a nice album in 2009, same with M.O.P....etc. But its when you look at this...I'll pick 1994, look who was selling and who was relevant.
1994
Nas - Illmatic - Platinum
Notorious BIG - Ready To Die - 4x Platinum
Common - Ressurection
Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik - Platinum
Scarface - The Diary - Platinum
Gangstarr - Hard To Earn - Top 25 on Billboards ( I don't know sales #s)
Bone Thugs N Harmony - Creepin On Ah Come Up - 2x Platinum
Jeru The Damaja - The Sun Rises In The East - Top 36 on Billboards ( I don't know sales #s)
Warren G - Regulate - 3x Platinum
Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside - Platinum
Above The Law - Uncle Sam's Curse
2Pac - Thug Life Vol. 1 - Gold
Method Man - Tical - Platinum
Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
Da Brat - Funkdafied - Platinum
Keith Murray - The Most Beautifullest Thing In The World - Gold
Fugees - Blunted on Reality
Now what in the hell could you possibly say has happened in the 2000 decade that could fuck with that? That 1 year alone almost shits on the whole decade.
When you throw a rapper like Jay-Z, Dr.Dre or Eminem into the mix, those are rappers who established themselves and their styles from the 90's. 50 Cent too...he's basically a late 90's rapper.
I understand sales don't matter in most cases. But you know what, when comparing this, they do..because those artists that are selling platinum records and gold records are the ones that represent that era/time-frame. That shows right there, absolutely NOTHING you can compare for rappers in the 2000 - now that are even gonna get looked at. Any Lupe Fiasco, Slaughterhouse, or whoever you mention that may be new and dope...IS PRETTY MUCH IRRELEVANT IN THE SAME ERA OF RAP MUSIC YOU'RE CLAIMING THAT IS SO GREAT. Again, not to insult a Slaughter House or Lupe...they are talented and great rappers, but they are not the faces of this decade of rap, and that is a shame.
What is the New Millennium Style Rapper? - Lil' Wayne, Gucci Mane, Drake, Soulja Boy, Mike Jones, The Game, Rick Ross, T-Pain?
This is proof this thread needs to die
By the way check out my new Mixtape "Hip Hop Is Brain Dead" @ http://braindeadgroup.wordpress.com
You can point to any list of rappers from any generation and you will find great rappers, and you will find horrible rappers.
The only fair way to compare this would be to take a look at the top sellers, I know sales are not everything. But when you look at a Wu-Tang Clan...they were able to release a #1 record in the 90's. If you look at Slaughterhouse they flopped super hard in this millennium of rap. You know...even that first...2000 - 2004/2005 wasn't so bad....it's really the last 5 years that have been awful.
When you compare the music, you gotta take more than saying Wu-Tang > Slaughterhouse. Because you're discrediting Slaughterhouse, they're dope. Statik Selektah came out with some dope compilations. Cormega had a nice album in 2009, same with M.O.P....etc. But its when you look at this...I'll pick 1994, look who was selling and who was relevant.
1994
Nas - Illmatic - Platinum
Notorious BIG - Ready To Die - 4x Platinum
Common - Ressurection
Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik - Platinum
Scarface - The Diary - Platinum
Gangstarr - Hard To Earn - Top 25 on Billboards ( I don't know sales #s)
Bone Thugs N Harmony - Creepin On Ah Come Up - 2x Platinum
Jeru The Damaja - The Sun Rises In The East - Top 36 on Billboards ( I don't know sales #s)
Warren G - Regulate - 3x Platinum
Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside - Platinum
Above The Law - Uncle Sam's Curse
2Pac - Thug Life Vol. 1 - Gold
Method Man - Tical - Platinum
Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
Da Brat - Funkdafied - Platinum
Keith Murray - The Most Beautifullest Thing In The World - Gold
Fugees - Blunted on Reality
Now what in the hell could you possibly say has happened in the 2000 decade that could fuck with that? That 1 year alone almost shits on the whole decade.
When you throw a rapper like Jay-Z, Dr.Dre or Eminem into the mix, those are rappers who established themselves and their styles from the 90's. 50 Cent too...he's basically a late 90's rapper.
I understand sales don't matter in most cases. But you know what, when comparing this, they do..because those artists that are selling platinum records and gold records are the ones that represent that era/time-frame. That shows right there, absolutely NOTHING you can compare for rappers in the 2000 - now that are even gonna get looked at. Any Lupe Fiasco, Slaughterhouse, or whoever you mention that may be new and dope...IS PRETTY MUCH IRRELEVANT IN THE SAME ERA OF RAP MUSIC YOU'RE CLAIMING THAT IS SO GREAT. Again, not to insult a Slaughter House or Lupe...they are talented and great rappers, but they are not the faces of this decade of rap, and that is a shame.
What is the New Millennium Style Rapper? - Lil' Wayne, Gucci Mane, Drake, Soulja Boy, Mike Jones, The Game, Rick Ross, T-Pain?
This is proof this thread needs to die
By the way check out my new Mixtape "Hip Hop Is Brain Dead" @ http://braindeadgroup.wordpress.com
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Ham&CheeseHotPoc
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thetruth391;529595 said:
your a stupid ass house nigga
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flushill401
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Gtfohwtbs...
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DaPrinciplez
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BrainDeadGroup just deaded this shit.....
90's > 00's
Its over. Just deal with it.
90's > 00's
Its over. Just deal with it.
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braindeadgroup;529819 said:
So what? Everybody is influenced by the people who came before them. Every rapper on your list had an influence from somebody in the 80's, and a lot of them rapped in the 80's themselves. That doesn't mean that the 80's was a better decade for hip hop.
That's just a dumb point to make. Sales is a reflection of promotion, pop appeal and audience. A rapper can only control one of those, and even then, not exclusively. It doesn't have much relevance to real skill.
Look, if you're talking about classic albums, the 90's, especially early 90's is the era to go to. But the hip hop scene in the 2000's was much more varied, populated, and diverse. Hip hop really went global in the last decade, and the rise of the internet meant that really anybody could rap. You've got people like Brother Ali, Slug, Talib Kweli, K-Os, and so many more thriving in the underground, while the mainstream still has guys like Jay, Kanye, Ludacris, Lupe, etc. It was a great mix of styles, IF you were paying attention.
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Punisher__
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Way too much quality hip hop has been released this past decade for it to be completely dismissed altogether. The notion that the 00's >>> 90's is NOT completely unrealistic.
Lupe, Little Brother, Jean Grae, Dead Prez and many of your other favorite anti-mainstream hip hoppers have all done their part by keeping hip-hop conscious with high quality work.
The likes of Kanye and Common have taken that level of consciousness to mainstream arenas, by being successful on the Pop Charts.
The quality of work is there. And the visibility is there. Y'all niggas are clearly just not looking in the right places.
Lupe, Little Brother, Jean Grae, Dead Prez and many of your other favorite anti-mainstream hip hoppers have all done their part by keeping hip-hop conscious with high quality work.
The likes of Kanye and Common have taken that level of consciousness to mainstream arenas, by being successful on the Pop Charts.
The quality of work is there. And the visibility is there. Y'all niggas are clearly just not looking in the right places.
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KarolinaKid
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Punisher__;530603 said:
C/s yall tryna turn it into what rappers came out when but the topic of the thread is the music that came out in the 2000's vs the music that came out in the 90"s and hiphop i the 2000's is better. Yes the 90's influenced the 2000's but that doesnt mean they are better
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Lets Get It Lakers
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is this nigga serious this is a fuckin shock thread wow everytime i come in the reason somebody allways say some off the wall shit
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ill take this list over a 00 list
1. Enter the Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers - Wu-Tang Clan (1993)
2. Illmatic - Nas (1994)
3. The Chronic - Dr. Dre (1992)
4. The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest (1991)
5. Ready to Die - Notorious B.I.G. (1994)
6. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill (1998)
7. Me Against the World - 2Pac (1995)
8. Aquemini - Outkast (1998)
9. The Score - The Fugees (1996)
10. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon (1995)
11. The Slim Shady LP - Eminem (1999)
12. Endtroducing... - DJ Shadow (1996)
13. All Eyez On Me - 2Pac (1996)
14. Reasonable Doubt - Jay-Z (1996)
15. Daily Operation - Gang Starr (1992)
16. Liquid Swords - GZA (1995)
17. The Infamous... - Mobb Deep (1995)
18. Black On Both Sides - Mos Def (1999)
19. Life After Death - Notorious B.I.G. (1997)
20. Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy (1990)
21. Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star - Black Star (Mos Def/Talib Kweli) (1998)
22. 2001 - Dr. Dre (1999)
23. Breaking Atoms - Main Source (1991)
24. Things Fall Apart - The Roots (1998)
25. Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous - Big L (1995)
26. AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - Ice Cube (1990)
27. Enta Da Stage - Black Moon (1993)
28. Step In the Arena - GangStarr (1992)
29. Midnight Marauders - A Tribe Called Quest (1993)
30. Bizarre Ride II Tha Pharcyde - The Pharcyde (1992)
31. DoggyStyle - Snoop Doggy Dogg (1993)
32. Resurrection - Common (1994)
33. Check Your Head - Beastie Boys (1992)
34. Death Certificate - Ice Cube (1991)
35. The Sun Rises in the East - Jeru the Damaja (1994)
36. A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing - Black Sheep (1991)
37. Whut? Thee Album - Redman (1992)
38. Don Killuminati: The 7-Day Theory - 2Pac/Makaveli (1996)
39. Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version - Ol' Dirty Bastard (1995)
40. It Was Written - Nas (1996)
41. Nia - Blackalicious (1999 )
42. Hello Nasty - Beastie Boys (1998)
43. Supa Dupa Fly - Missy Elliott (1997)
44. ATLiens - Outkast (1996)
45. Wu-Tang Forever - Wu-Tang Clan (1997)
46. 93 Til Infinity - Souls of Mischief (1993)
47. De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul (1991)
48. People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm - A Tribe Called Quest (1990)
49. Vol. 1: In My Lifetime - Jay-Z (1997)
50. Operation: Doomsday - MF Doom (1999)
51. Capital Punishment - Big Punisher (1998)
52. I Am... - Nas (1999)
53. Apocalypse '91: The Enemy Strikes Black - Public Enemy (1991)
54. Moment of Truth - Gang Starr (1998)
55. Reachin': A New Refutation of Time and Space - Digable Planets (1993)
56. Word...Life - O.C. (1994)
57. One For All - Brand Nubian (1990)
58. Soul Food - Goodie MOB (1995)
59. Steal This Album - The Coup (1998)
60. Soul on Ice - Ras Kass (1996)
61. War Report - Capone-N-Noreaga (1997)
62. Runaway Slave - Showbiz & A.G. (1992)
63. Organized Konfusion - Organized Konfusion (1991)
64. Wrath of the Math - Jeru the Damaja (1996)
65. Internal Affairs - Pharoahe Monch (1999)
66. Ironman - Ghostface Killah (1996)
67. Labcabincalifornia - The Pharcyde (1995)
68. Vol. 2: Hard Knock Life - Jay-Z (1998)
69. 6 Feet Deep - Gravediggaz (1994)
70. Black Sunday - Cypress Hill (1993)
71. Jewelz - O.C. (1997)
72. Tical - Method Man (1994)
73. Stress: The Extinction Agenda - Organized Konfusion (1994)
74. Mecca and the Soul Brother - Pete Rock and CL Smooth (1992)
75. southernplayalisticadillacmuzik - Outkast (1994)
76. Wanted: Dead or Alive - Kool G Rap & DJ Polo (1990)
77. Do You Want More?!!!??! - The Roots (1994)
78. The Diary - Scarface (1994)
79. Dr. Octagonecologyst - Dr. Octagon/Kool Keith (1996)
80. Uncontrolled Substance - Inspectah Deck (1999)
81. Doe Or Die - AZ (1995)
82. Heavy Mental - Killah Priest (1998)
83. Live and Let Die - Kool G Rap & DJ Polo (1992)
84. Take a Look Around - Masta Ace (1990)
85. Don't Sweat the Technique - Eric B. and Rakim (1992)
86. I Wish My Brother George Was Here - Del the Funkee Homosapien (1991)
87. A Prince Among Thieves - Prince Paul (1999)
88. Funcrusher Plus - Company Flow (1997)
89. The Main Ingredient - Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth (1994)
90. Stunts, Blunts & Hip Hop - Diamond D (1992)
91. O.G.: Original Gangster - Ice-T (1991)
92. Hell on Earth - Mobb Deep (1996)
93. Mama Said Knock You Out - LL Cool J (1990)
94. Dah Shinin' - Smif-N-Wessun (1995)
95. Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em - Eric B. & Rakim (1990)
96. Illadelph Halflife - The Roots (1996)
97. Hard to Earn - Gang Starr (1994)
98. Muddy Waterz - Redman (1996)
99. KRS-One - KRS-One (1995)
100. E. 1999-Eternal - Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (1995)
1. Enter the Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers - Wu-Tang Clan (1993)
2. Illmatic - Nas (1994)
3. The Chronic - Dr. Dre (1992)
4. The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest (1991)
5. Ready to Die - Notorious B.I.G. (1994)
6. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill (1998)
7. Me Against the World - 2Pac (1995)
8. Aquemini - Outkast (1998)
9. The Score - The Fugees (1996)
10. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon (1995)
11. The Slim Shady LP - Eminem (1999)
12. Endtroducing... - DJ Shadow (1996)
13. All Eyez On Me - 2Pac (1996)
14. Reasonable Doubt - Jay-Z (1996)
15. Daily Operation - Gang Starr (1992)
16. Liquid Swords - GZA (1995)
17. The Infamous... - Mobb Deep (1995)
18. Black On Both Sides - Mos Def (1999)
19. Life After Death - Notorious B.I.G. (1997)
20. Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy (1990)
21. Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star - Black Star (Mos Def/Talib Kweli) (1998)
22. 2001 - Dr. Dre (1999)
23. Breaking Atoms - Main Source (1991)
24. Things Fall Apart - The Roots (1998)
25. Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous - Big L (1995)
26. AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - Ice Cube (1990)
27. Enta Da Stage - Black Moon (1993)
28. Step In the Arena - GangStarr (1992)
29. Midnight Marauders - A Tribe Called Quest (1993)
30. Bizarre Ride II Tha Pharcyde - The Pharcyde (1992)
31. DoggyStyle - Snoop Doggy Dogg (1993)
32. Resurrection - Common (1994)
33. Check Your Head - Beastie Boys (1992)
34. Death Certificate - Ice Cube (1991)
35. The Sun Rises in the East - Jeru the Damaja (1994)
36. A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing - Black Sheep (1991)
37. Whut? Thee Album - Redman (1992)
38. Don Killuminati: The 7-Day Theory - 2Pac/Makaveli (1996)
39. Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version - Ol' Dirty Bastard (1995)
40. It Was Written - Nas (1996)
41. Nia - Blackalicious (1999 )
42. Hello Nasty - Beastie Boys (1998)
43. Supa Dupa Fly - Missy Elliott (1997)
44. ATLiens - Outkast (1996)
45. Wu-Tang Forever - Wu-Tang Clan (1997)
46. 93 Til Infinity - Souls of Mischief (1993)
47. De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul (1991)
48. People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm - A Tribe Called Quest (1990)
49. Vol. 1: In My Lifetime - Jay-Z (1997)
50. Operation: Doomsday - MF Doom (1999)
51. Capital Punishment - Big Punisher (1998)
52. I Am... - Nas (1999)
53. Apocalypse '91: The Enemy Strikes Black - Public Enemy (1991)
54. Moment of Truth - Gang Starr (1998)
55. Reachin': A New Refutation of Time and Space - Digable Planets (1993)
56. Word...Life - O.C. (1994)
57. One For All - Brand Nubian (1990)
58. Soul Food - Goodie MOB (1995)
59. Steal This Album - The Coup (1998)
60. Soul on Ice - Ras Kass (1996)
61. War Report - Capone-N-Noreaga (1997)
62. Runaway Slave - Showbiz & A.G. (1992)
63. Organized Konfusion - Organized Konfusion (1991)
64. Wrath of the Math - Jeru the Damaja (1996)
65. Internal Affairs - Pharoahe Monch (1999)
66. Ironman - Ghostface Killah (1996)
67. Labcabincalifornia - The Pharcyde (1995)
68. Vol. 2: Hard Knock Life - Jay-Z (1998)
69. 6 Feet Deep - Gravediggaz (1994)
70. Black Sunday - Cypress Hill (1993)
71. Jewelz - O.C. (1997)
72. Tical - Method Man (1994)
73. Stress: The Extinction Agenda - Organized Konfusion (1994)
74. Mecca and the Soul Brother - Pete Rock and CL Smooth (1992)
75. southernplayalisticadillacmuzik - Outkast (1994)
76. Wanted: Dead or Alive - Kool G Rap & DJ Polo (1990)
77. Do You Want More?!!!??! - The Roots (1994)
78. The Diary - Scarface (1994)
79. Dr. Octagonecologyst - Dr. Octagon/Kool Keith (1996)
80. Uncontrolled Substance - Inspectah Deck (1999)
81. Doe Or Die - AZ (1995)
82. Heavy Mental - Killah Priest (1998)
83. Live and Let Die - Kool G Rap & DJ Polo (1992)
84. Take a Look Around - Masta Ace (1990)
85. Don't Sweat the Technique - Eric B. and Rakim (1992)
86. I Wish My Brother George Was Here - Del the Funkee Homosapien (1991)
87. A Prince Among Thieves - Prince Paul (1999)
88. Funcrusher Plus - Company Flow (1997)
89. The Main Ingredient - Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth (1994)
90. Stunts, Blunts & Hip Hop - Diamond D (1992)
91. O.G.: Original Gangster - Ice-T (1991)
92. Hell on Earth - Mobb Deep (1996)
93. Mama Said Knock You Out - LL Cool J (1990)
94. Dah Shinin' - Smif-N-Wessun (1995)
95. Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em - Eric B. & Rakim (1990)
96. Illadelph Halflife - The Roots (1996)
97. Hard to Earn - Gang Starr (1994)
98. Muddy Waterz - Redman (1996)
99. KRS-One - KRS-One (1995)
100. E. 1999-Eternal - Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (1995)
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innercity99
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Lets Get It Lakers;530858 said:
yea and on that note... WE REALLY NEED 2 stop bullshittin wit these niggas and get this W 2nite so we can win on Saturday and give Kobe some rest
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Lets Get It Lakers
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innercity99;530950 said:
I know right it dont seem like we even playen hard we need to blow them niggaz out tonight
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innercity99
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Lets Get It Lakers;530966 said:
Hell yea we can't give them no more confidence them niggas already feeling like they can beat us we gotta kill that mindset 2nite... I hope all the rest of the west games go 7 lls
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