Would Nas be the GOAT without "ETHER"?

[R2_163]

baddest bitch?

nigga stfu

 

[Chasin Bundlez]

^Its good to see u couldnt deny anything else...set the trap and u fell for it lol...idiot.

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

Salute to the niggas that voted "Fuck Jay-Z"

 

[a_list]

yea undisputed is strong....cant go that far

 

[qawshun]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

 

[R2_163]

^Its good to see u couldnt deny anything else...set the trap and u fell for it lol...idiot.

nah I disagreed with pretty much everything except influence and longevity. i just think that part in particular was retarded.

 

[Chasin Bundlez]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

No im saying from 99'-01'...but let me clarify, after 'It was written' he was semi irrelevant/irrelavant til 'Stillmatic' came out ('I Am' was a mediocre album and 'Nastradamus' was trash)...after 'Stillmatic' he fell into obscurity again until he got desperate and was trolling and into gimmicks (naming his album 'Nigga' and 'HHID'), for without the controversial album title that album goes nowhere and his career is damn near over lol (album was mediocre/wack btw).

Now after that album, the man hasnt made anything that remotely interested the general public lmao...and as far as quality wise, was subpar as well...we had to wait til 2012 with 'LIG' to get qualoty work from him, and again, to the public and casual listeners, that album came and went.

There are many variables when determining the GOAT, lyricism is just one component (and he's not even the best lyricist), and also his strong suit, but he lacks at all the other components...u cant say Reggie (Nas) was better than MJ (Hov) cuz he was the superior shooter...u have the gauge everything, and thats when MJ trumps Reggie, and Jay trumps Nawz....word.

 

[a_list]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

No im saying from 99'-01'...but let me clarify, after 'It was written' he was semi irrelevant/irrelavant til 'Stillmatic' came out ('I Am' was a mediocre album and 'Nastradamus' was trash)...after 'Stillmatic' he fell into obscurity again until he got desperate and was trolling and into gimmicks (naming his album 'Nigga' and 'HHID'), for without the controversial album title that album goes nowhere and his career is damn near over lol (album was mediocre/wack btw).

Now after that album, the man hasnt made anything that remotely interested the general public lmao...and as far as quality wise, was subpar as well...we had to wait til 2012 with 'LIG' to get qualoty work from him, and again, to the public and casual listeners, that album came and went.

There are many variables when determining the GOAT, lyricism is just one component (and he's not even the best lyricist), and also his strong suit, but he lacks at all the other components...u cant say Reggie (Nas) was better than MJ (Hov) cuz he was the superior shooter...u have the gauge everything, and thats when MJ trumps Reggie, and Jay trumps Nawz....word.

Yo, I Am sold like 2.5 mill solid album, Nastradamas plat plus AVG album....QB Finest went Gold......Shyt if thats irrelevant you got some crazy ass standards.....lol

 

[Chasin Bundlez]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

No im saying from 99'-01'...but let me clarify, after 'It was written' he was semi irrelevant/irrelavant til 'Stillmatic' came out ('I Am' was a mediocre album and 'Nastradamus' was trash)...after 'Stillmatic' he fell into obscurity again until he got desperate and was trolling and into gimmicks (naming his album 'Nigga' and 'HHID'), for without the controversial album title that album goes nowhere and his career is damn near over lol (album was mediocre/wack btw).

Now after that album, the man hasnt made anything that remotely interested the general public lmao...and as far as quality wise, was subpar as well...we had to wait til 2012 with 'LIG' to get qualoty work from him, and again, to the public and casual listeners, that album came and went.

There are many variables when determining the GOAT, lyricism is just one component (and he's not even the best lyricist), and also his strong suit, but he lacks at all the other components...u cant say Reggie (Nas) was better than MJ (Hov) cuz he was the superior shooter...u have the gauge everything, and thats when MJ trumps Reggie, and Jay trumps Nawz....word.

Yo, I Am sold like 2.5 mill solid album, Nastradamas plat plus AVG album....QB Finest went Gold......Shyt if thats irrelevant you got some crazy ass standards.....lol

Doggy, u could burp and cough on a record in that era and go plat, so dont bring up sales to me anytime before 2005 becuase it wouldnt be impressive....and lol at going Gold in that era....sad.

As for I Am, after he dropped 'Hate me now', he, and that album was irrelevant to the general public, that 'Nas is like' single made no noise outside of hip hop heads and Nawz stans.

To put it in perspective, no casual listener cared about anything he put out between 'Hate me now' and 'Ether' lol...facts....Jay has never had that long of a period being so dormant.

 

[a_list]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

No im saying from 99'-01'...but let me clarify, after 'It was written' he was semi irrelevant/irrelavant til 'Stillmatic' came out ('I Am' was a mediocre album and 'Nastradamus' was trash)...after 'Stillmatic' he fell into obscurity again until he got desperate and was trolling and into gimmicks (naming his album 'Nigga' and 'HHID'), for without the controversial album title that album goes nowhere and his career is damn near over lol (album was mediocre/wack btw).

Now after that album, the man hasnt made anything that remotely interested the general public lmao...and as far as quality wise, was subpar as well...we had to wait til 2012 with 'LIG' to get qualoty work from him, and again, to the public and casual listeners, that album came and went.

There are many variables when determining the GOAT, lyricism is just one component (and he's not even the best lyricist), and also his strong suit, but he lacks at all the other components...u cant say Reggie (Nas) was better than MJ (Hov) cuz he was the superior shooter...u have the gauge everything, and thats when MJ trumps Reggie, and Jay trumps Nawz....word.

Yo, I Am sold like 2.5 mill solid album, Nastradamas plat plus AVG album....QB Finest went Gold......Shyt if thats irrelevant you got some crazy ass standards.....lol

Doggy, u could burp and cough on a record in that era and go plat, so dont bring up sales to me anytime before 2005 becuase it wouldnt be impressive....and lol at going Gold in that era....sad.

As for I Am, after he dropped 'Hate me now', he, and that album was irrelevant to the general public, that 'Nas is like' single made no noise outside of hip hop heads and Nawz stans.

To put it in perspective, no casual listener cared about anything he put out between 'Hate me now' and 'Ether' lol...facts....Jay has never had that long of a period being so dormant.

lol cmon b, tell that shyt to the hundreds of rappers that released albums during that time that didnt.....So dont mention sales prior to 05, but you mention casual listeners? lol iight....Back then after like 1 to 1.5 mill sold, guess what most of those people were? finish this homey...lol c_s_al li_t_n_rs......lol

 

[Chasin Bundlez]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

No im saying from 99'-01'...but let me clarify, after 'It was written' he was semi irrelevant/irrelavant til 'Stillmatic' came out ('I Am' was a mediocre album and 'Nastradamus' was trash)...after 'Stillmatic' he fell into obscurity again until he got desperate and was trolling and into gimmicks (naming his album 'Nigga' and 'HHID'), for without the controversial album title that album goes nowhere and his career is damn near over lol (album was mediocre/wack btw).

Now after that album, the man hasnt made anything that remotely interested the general public lmao...and as far as quality wise, was subpar as well...we had to wait til 2012 with 'LIG' to get qualoty work from him, and again, to the public and casual listeners, that album came and went.

There are many variables when determining the GOAT, lyricism is just one component (and he's not even the best lyricist), and also his strong suit, but he lacks at all the other components...u cant say Reggie (Nas) was better than MJ (Hov) cuz he was the superior shooter...u have the gauge everything, and thats when MJ trumps Reggie, and Jay trumps Nawz....word.

Yo, I Am sold like 2.5 mill solid album, Nastradamas plat plus AVG album....QB Finest went Gold......Shyt if thats irrelevant you got some crazy ass standards.....lol

Doggy, u could burp and cough on a record in that era and go plat, so dont bring up sales to me anytime before 2005 becuase it wouldnt be impressive....and lol at going Gold in that era....sad.

As for I Am, after he dropped 'Hate me now', he, and that album was irrelevant to the general public, that 'Nas is like' single made no noise outside of hip hop heads and Nawz stans.

To put it in perspective, no casual listener cared about anything he put out between 'Hate me now' and 'Ether' lol...facts....Jay has never had that long of a period being so dormant.

lol cmon b, tell that shyt to the hundreds of rappers that released albums during that time that didnt.....So dont mention sales prior to 05, but you mention casual listeners? lol iight....Back then after like 1 to 1.5 mill sold, guess what most of those people were? finish this homey...lol c_s_al li_t_n_rs......lol

That's the whole thing, there are more casual listeners than hip hop elitists...and that's why Nas isnt, and never will be the GOAT, he only appeals to hip hop heads, where in that demographic he slightly edges out Jay...but as far as casual listeners go it's a landslide in favor of Jay, thus making him the GOAT...now what?

GQ and all them fashion publishers and blogs have ppl like Ye, Cudi, 3k and the like, as the most fashionable ppl in hip hop...but to me and you, casual dressers, they look like idiots lmao...so in actuality when they step out, for every 20 ppl they pass by, maybe 4 are fashionistas and are impressed by em, the other 16 are laughing at em...well when u step out, that's how it is with Hov and Nawz...16 to 4, with the 4 bein some elitist hip hop nerds...word.

Hov the peoples champ...facts.

 

[Chasin Bundlez]

@‌Kurt...public perception >>> critical acclaim

 

[FyHunnit]

Life wasn't always this good for born again Nas fans. Enough with the typical GOAT shit... I'm interested in who actually thought he legit fell off before Ether. I know it's hard to admit it, but there's a reason he responded the way he did. Niggas was looking at him like he fell off.

 

[GetoBoy]

If the difference between you being the goat and not being the goat comes down to one song you were never the goat to begin with.....

 

[trilladelic]

i think the question should be would he GOAT stat w/o 'illmatic'

no derail

 

[BobOblah]

since when was nas the undisputed goat? you can't be on the reason for more than 10 days and come the conclusion nas is the undisputed goat. you may think in your personal opinion hes the goat but this website has lived off the debate between who is the goat rapper and nas is not the undsiputed goat. matter of fact no rapper is the undisputed goat by any landslide.

Time will tell. I got a poll in the works on the other thread (Top 3 MCs (With Point System). It'll just be a matter of days before we know who the IC's favorite MCs are.

It's been done and Nas won.

 

[a_list]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

No im saying from 99'-01'...but let me clarify, after 'It was written' he was semi irrelevant/irrelavant til 'Stillmatic' came out ('I Am' was a mediocre album and 'Nastradamus' was trash)...after 'Stillmatic' he fell into obscurity again until he got desperate and was trolling and into gimmicks (naming his album 'Nigga' and 'HHID'), for without the controversial album title that album goes nowhere and his career is damn near over lol (album was mediocre/wack btw).

Now after that album, the man hasnt made anything that remotely interested the general public lmao...and as far as quality wise, was subpar as well...we had to wait til 2012 with 'LIG' to get qualoty work from him, and again, to the public and casual listeners, that album came and went.

There are many variables when determining the GOAT, lyricism is just one component (and he's not even the best lyricist), and also his strong suit, but he lacks at all the other components...u cant say Reggie (Nas) was better than MJ (Hov) cuz he was the superior shooter...u have the gauge everything, and thats when MJ trumps Reggie, and Jay trumps Nawz....word.

Yo, I Am sold like 2.5 mill solid album, Nastradamas plat plus AVG album....QB Finest went Gold......Shyt if thats irrelevant you got some crazy ass standards.....lol

Doggy, u could burp and cough on a record in that era and go plat, so dont bring up sales to me anytime before 2005 becuase it wouldnt be impressive....and lol at going Gold in that era....sad.

As for I Am, after he dropped 'Hate me now', he, and that album was irrelevant to the general public, that 'Nas is like' single made no noise outside of hip hop heads and Nawz stans.

To put it in perspective, no casual listener cared about anything he put out between 'Hate me now' and 'Ether' lol...facts....Jay has never had that long of a period being so dormant.

lol cmon b, tell that shyt to the hundreds of rappers that released albums during that time that didnt.....So dont mention sales prior to 05, but you mention casual listeners? lol iight....Back then after like 1 to 1.5 mill sold, guess what most of those people were? finish this homey...lol c_s_al li_t_n_rs......lol

That's the whole thing, there are more casual listeners than hip hop elitists...and that's why Nas isnt, and never will be the GOAT, he only appeals to hip hop heads, where in that demographic he slightly edges out Jay...but as far as casual listeners go it's a landslide in favor of Jay, thus making him the GOAT...now what?

GQ and all them fashion publishers and blogs have ppl like Ye, Cudi, 3k and the like, as the most fashionable ppl in hip hop...but to me and you, casual dressers, they look like idiots lmao...so in actuality when they step out, for every 20 ppl they pass by, maybe 4 are fashionistas and are impressed by em, the other 16 are laughing at em...well when u step out, that's how it is with Hov and Nawz...16 to 4, with the 4 bein some elitist hip hop nerds...word.

Hov the peoples champ...facts.

Lol yo, first and foremost, casual listeners dont give a fuck about this Goat shyt.........Casual football fans dont play fantasy football....Casual basketball fans wont be on hall of fame selections committees.......last one, casual listeners arent on websites discusssing hip hop.... if we're not discussing popularity this casual listener thing you keep resorting to is pretty much useless.....People have BIG, Pac, Jay,Face, Rakim, Kane, G Rap etc as their GOAT, aint no undisputed just opinions, but I highly doubt that those opinions are based off of who has the most casual listeners...lol...

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Nasir GOAT Jones

 

[DR. JEK]

Chase, by your standards Jay cant be the Goat either. This nigga had plenty of duds from Kingdom come to both blueprint 2 and 3, Holy grail was also a weed plate. Jay actually had to piggy back Beyonce and Kanye to keep his relevance. If relevance between years you drop albums is what also matters does that mean 2 chains is in the running to be the Goat?(cuz that nigga be everywhere)

 

[Chasin Bundlez]

To be the GOAT u have to maintain relevance ur whole career...cant be irrelevant from 99'-01', and then irrelevant again from 01'-06'...thats just too much irrelevance lol...then again from 06'-12'....been in the game 20 years and been relevant maybe 8 of those years, yet he's the "undisputed GOAT" smh

To be the GOAT, all hip hop fans have to fuck wit u, all demographics, ethnicities and age groups, not just dusty black old niggas age 27-40...u the GOAT but yet the avg 21 year old a barely acknowledge ur existence? FOH.

SN....Nas rarely does any features so in between mediocre albums the man really is the epitome of irrelevance, he be ghost, u cant hear from him...while the real GOAT makes sure he's relevant even in between albums.

So you saying 94-99 nas wasn't revelant ? The only weak lp was the 4th joint and it still had 7 to 8 dope joints outta 14. Then you have the stillmatic ,god son, hhid, lost tapes, sd etc. The shit was Damien Qb's finest, the firm. The man stays in his lane nas never flooded the market. And still he's considered the goat or top 3. Think about that. With minimum effort he's been the talk of who's the best in rap since he came in the game.

No im saying from 99'-01'...but let me clarify, after 'It was written' he was semi irrelevant/irrelavant til 'Stillmatic' came out ('I Am' was a mediocre album and 'Nastradamus' was trash)...after 'Stillmatic' he fell into obscurity again until he got desperate and was trolling and into gimmicks (naming his album 'Nigga' and 'HHID'), for without the controversial album title that album goes nowhere and his career is damn near over lol (album was mediocre/wack btw).

Now after that album, the man hasnt made anything that remotely interested the general public lmao...and as far as quality wise, was subpar as well...we had to wait til 2012 with 'LIG' to get qualoty work from him, and again, to the public and casual listeners, that album came and went.

There are many variables when determining the GOAT, lyricism is just one component (and he's not even the best lyricist), and also his strong suit, but he lacks at all the other components...u cant say Reggie (Nas) was better than MJ (Hov) cuz he was the superior shooter...u have the gauge everything, and thats when MJ trumps Reggie, and Jay trumps Nawz....word.

Yo, I Am sold like 2.5 mill solid album, Nastradamas plat plus AVG album....QB Finest went Gold......Shyt if thats irrelevant you got some crazy ass standards.....lol

Doggy, u could burp and cough on a record in that era and go plat, so dont bring up sales to me anytime before 2005 becuase it wouldnt be impressive....and lol at going Gold in that era....sad.

As for I Am, after he dropped 'Hate me now', he, and that album was irrelevant to the general public, that 'Nas is like' single made no noise outside of hip hop heads and Nawz stans.

To put it in perspective, no casual listener cared about anything he put out between 'Hate me now' and 'Ether' lol...facts....Jay has never had that long of a period being so dormant.

lol cmon b, tell that shyt to the hundreds of rappers that released albums during that time that didnt.....So dont mention sales prior to 05, but you mention casual listeners? lol iight....Back then after like 1 to 1.5 mill sold, guess what most of those people were? finish this homey...lol c_s_al li_t_n_rs......lol

That's the whole thing, there are more casual listeners than hip hop elitists...and that's why Nas isnt, and never will be the GOAT, he only appeals to hip hop heads, where in that demographic he slightly edges out Jay...but as far as casual listeners go it's a landslide in favor of Jay, thus making him the GOAT...now what?

GQ and all them fashion publishers and blogs have ppl like Ye, Cudi, 3k and the like, as the most fashionable ppl in hip hop...but to me and you, casual dressers, they look like idiots lmao...so in actuality when they step out, for every 20 ppl they pass by, maybe 4 are fashionistas and are impressed by em, the other 16 are laughing at em...well when u step out, that's how it is with Hov and Nawz...16 to 4, with the 4 bein some elitist hip hop nerds...word.

Hov the peoples champ...facts.

Lol yo, first and foremost, casual listeners dont give a fuck about this Goat shyt.........Casual football fans dont play fantasy football....Casual basketball fans wont be on hall of fame selections committees.......last one, casual listeners arent on websites discusssing hip hop.... if we're not discussing popularity this casual listener thing you keep resorting to is pretty much useless.....People have BIG, Pac, Jay,Face, Rakim, Kane, G Rap etc as their GOAT, aint no undisputed just opinions, but I highly doubt that those opinions are based off of who has the most casual listeners...lol...

Nah, u putting words in my post...I never said that casual listeners was the end all be all, I simply factored it in and said that it's a landslide in favor of Hov, therefore he wins.

On most hip hop forums, mostly comprised of virgins, weirdos and pedophiles, Nas a prolly get the edge, slightly, just off the strength of Illmatic and Ether, but still many have Hov right there with him, it ain't a no brainer type of situation...once we hit that red X in the right top corner it's a whole diff story...cuz I ain't never met a nigga IRL that had Nas being better than Hov...matter fact most of the south don't even fuck wit Nas like that, he's an east coast legend tbh.

@Jek...everyone drops a dud here and there, but Nas has a ton (I Am, Nastradamus, HHID, SD, GS, and the Distant Relatives if you wanna count that)...if we're to go by albums well then Kanye is the GOAT since he only has 1 weak album...if u go by raw lyrical ability then Em is the GOAT...Nas is the GOAT at being the brokest and least popular top 5 emcee (BIG, PAC, HOV, EM, NAS) lmao...that's bout it.