WILL ISLAM EVER ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM?

[zombie]

ugh, excellent posts today, i see. okay...

paul said he was a Hebrew born of Hebrew it matters not were he was born he could have been born in England that would not change his race. good idea for you not to argue because you are not making any fucking sense if I was born in china that still does not make me Chinese.

do you need me to quote the whole ""white people" may also have been found in areas of the Middle East that are not considered "Europe"" thing? because there, i just did.

AND NO pilate is not a major figure In the bible because it does not revolve around him nor is he referenced over and over in the gospels he creates none of the themes in the gospel he does not guide the action from step to step he is a just another figure to say that he is a major one would be a lie. they talk about rome but the NT was created by non Europeans and non white people. All the apostles were jewish and not the white jews we see today.

you know, i'm sure you'll call the apostles "major figures," but somehow i doubt each and every one of them "guides the action step by step." a REAL argument would have been to discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings... but i guess you were too busy getting deep into your feelings to really think about the topic?

also, you shouted out Paul as getting all this credit for writing the NT... and it seems like he's European and white. whoa

sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are female traits men don't debate or talk to each other like that TRY BEING a man and speak direct. every fucking post from you is sarcasm and passive aggressive panty wearing bullshit. we all use sarcasm sometime but slow down with that shit it's over use makes you sound like a bitch.

i'm sorry, i thought my posts were pretty clear. if you didn't understand them... well, i don't know what to tell you. step your game up. this is not the most demanding material to process.

plus, i'm not sure you're in a position to tell anyone how to debate a topic, since you IMMEDIATELY lose your shit and go into a name-calling rage the second someone doesn't take whatever nonsense you're spouting as gospel.

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum wants to have a debate on the race of the people in the bible then that's a whole other argument what he is saying about the possible race of paul is baseless because the popular white jews , Ashkenazim jews only came into being centuries after paul was dead. and paul SAID he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews and indicated that he was from the tribe of Benjamin

 

[kingblaze84]

ugh, excellent posts today, i see. okay...

paul said he was a Hebrew born of Hebrew it matters not were he was born he could have been born in England that would not change his race. good idea for you not to argue because you are not making any fucking sense if I was born in china that still does not make me Chinese.

do you need me to quote the whole ""white people" may also have been found in areas of the Middle East that are not considered "Europe"" thing? because there, i just did.

AND NO pilate is not a major figure In the bible because it does not revolve around him nor is he referenced over and over in the gospels he creates none of the themes in the gospel he does not guide the action from step to step he is a just another figure to say that he is a major one would be a lie. they talk about rome but the NT was created by non Europeans and non white people. All the apostles were jewish and not the white jews we see today.

you know, i'm sure you'll call the apostles "major figures," but somehow i doubt each and every one of them "guides the action step by step." a REAL argument would have been to discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings... but i guess you were too busy getting deep into your feelings to really think about the topic?

also, you shouted out Paul as getting all this credit for writing the NT... and it seems like he's European and white. whoa

sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are female traits men don't debate or talk to each other like that TRY BEING a man and speak direct. every fucking post from you is sarcasm and passive aggressive panty wearing bullshit. we all use sarcasm sometime but slow down with that shit it's over use makes you sound like a bitch.

i'm sorry, i thought my posts were pretty clear. if you didn't understand them... well, i don't know what to tell you. step your game up. this is not the most demanding material to process.

plus, i'm not sure you're in a position to tell anyone how to debate a topic, since you IMMEDIATELY lose your shit and go into a name-calling rage the second someone doesn't take whatever nonsense you're spouting as gospel.

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum wants to have a debate on the race of the people in the bible then that's a whole other argument what he is saying about the possible race of paul is baseless because the popular white jews , Ashkenazim jews only came into being centuries after paul was dead. and paul was he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews and indicated that he was from the tribe of Benjamin

Yes Ashkenazi Jews from Eurasia or Europe came later on but I haven't seen convincing evidence that Paul was anything other then a White Jew from Europe. He was born in Turkey, was a Roman citizen and both of his parents were Roman citizens. Was he Arabic to you? I doubt he was Persian. An ancient Roman painting of him to me looks like a regular White Jew. And remember Paul was in Roman custody many times, I'm sure they knew what he looked like. Paul or Saul seems to have been a regular White guy, most Turks are White and many wish to join the European Union.

http://www.theliberalspirit.com/awretchedman/blog/?p=2564

 

[zombie]

ugh, excellent posts today, i see. okay...

paul said he was a Hebrew born of Hebrew it matters not were he was born he could have been born in England that would not change his race. good idea for you not to argue because you are not making any fucking sense if I was born in china that still does not make me Chinese.

do you need me to quote the whole ""white people" may also have been found in areas of the Middle East that are not considered "Europe"" thing? because there, i just did.

AND NO pilate is not a major figure In the bible because it does not revolve around him nor is he referenced over and over in the gospels he creates none of the themes in the gospel he does not guide the action from step to step he is a just another figure to say that he is a major one would be a lie. they talk about rome but the NT was created by non Europeans and non white people. All the apostles were jewish and not the white jews we see today.

you know, i'm sure you'll call the apostles "major figures," but somehow i doubt each and every one of them "guides the action step by step." a REAL argument would have been to discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings... but i guess you were too busy getting deep into your feelings to really think about the topic?

also, you shouted out Paul as getting all this credit for writing the NT... and it seems like he's European and white. whoa

sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are female traits men don't debate or talk to each other like that TRY BEING a man and speak direct. every fucking post from you is sarcasm and passive aggressive panty wearing bullshit. we all use sarcasm sometime but slow down with that shit it's over use makes you sound like a bitch.

i'm sorry, i thought my posts were pretty clear. if you didn't understand them... well, i don't know what to tell you. step your game up. this is not the most demanding material to process.

plus, i'm not sure you're in a position to tell anyone how to debate a topic, since you IMMEDIATELY lose your shit and go into a name-calling rage the second someone doesn't take whatever nonsense you're spouting as gospel.

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum wants to have a debate on the race of the people in the bible then that's a whole other argument what he is saying about the possible race of paul is baseless because the popular white jews , Ashkenazim jews only came into being centuries after paul was dead. and paul was he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews and indicated that he was from the tribe of Benjamin

Yes Ashkenazi Jews from Eurasia or Europe came later on but I haven't seen convincing evidence that Paul was anything other then a White Jew from Europe. He was born in Turkey, was a Roman citizen and both of his parents were Roman citizens. Was he Arabic to you? I doubt he was Persian. An ancient Roman painting of him to me looks like a regular White Jew. And remember Paul was in Roman custody many times, I'm sure they knew what he looked like. Paul or Saul seems to have been a regular White guy, most Turks are White and many wish to join the European Union.

http://www.theliberalspirit.com/awretchedman/blog/?p=2564

WHITE people are born in Africa that does not mean that they are black. Think about the argument you are making some black people were born in the roman empire as well does that make them white???? some people think roman equaled white but rome at pauls time was a multi-ethnic empire. most ethnic turks are white but paul said he ethnically was a hebrew so he could not have been an ethnic turk. That picture is from the 4th century hundreds of years after paul died.

 

[janklow]

it does not matter that white people can be found in the middle east the fact remains paul said he was Hebrew BORN OF HEBREWS AND THE ANCIENT HEBREWS ARE NOT WHITE.

actually, that seems like a matter of some debate, and your entire argument is "Paul's not white BECAUSE I USED THESE CAPITAL LETTERS!!!" which i think we all know isn't the strongest thing.

You want to make paul white just because he was born in turkey, which is a faulty assertion.

no, i want to make Paul EUROPEAN because he was born in Turkey (and in a part of Turkey one can point at and say, "yeah, that's basically Europe"). calling him WHITE is a different statement.

Some of the apostles are not major figures in the NT but they unlike PILATE are central to the actual purpose for the NT in the first place.

seems like the Roman for whom there's legit historical evidence and who plays a major role in the narrative - as well as being the prime Roman figure in a work that talks about Rome all the damn time - might qualify as a major figure in the Bible. i mean, i gave you an out ("discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings"), but for some reason that's not legit... but it IS legit to say "he's not a major figure because it's inconvenient to my argument" is? please.

I UNDERSTAND YOUr POSTS PERFECTLY-

well, you seemed to be having some trouble with reading comprehension, so i figured we should just check.

-AND THEY ARE FULL OF UTTER BULSHIT mixed with estrogen. I make logical arguments or directly give my reasonings for my position on an issue, if someone cannot pick apart my reasoning and logic then I reserve the right the call them whatever the fuck I want

no, you make arguments sometimes and sometimes you shout because you have no argument to make. it's not complicated.

IF MY NAME calling distracts you from the points I make then that is your fault for being such an emotional bitch.

no, your name calling points to the fact that you're being a shit poster who's covering for his inability to debate the topic by getting really angry. hence the reason why i am responding to your points (such as they are, anyway) despite the fact that your vagina has apparently gotten stuffed with abrasive sand.

really, all the CAPITAL LETTERS and ranting and you've got the nerve to call anyone else an emotional bitch? something something emotional bitches in glass houses shouldn't throw stones something something

 

[janklow]

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

you've got me there. i DID miss that memo.

*writes "Paul was, in fact, the blackest dude ever" in notebook*

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum

so he's not black... and he's not white... so he's either Asian or... no, wait, he's a white dude and he wrote all this Christian stuff that zombie follows.

truly an ice-cold burn with the "worst mod on this forum," though

WHITE people are born in Africa that does not mean that they are black. Think about the argument you are making some black people were born in the roman empire as well does that make them white???? some people think roman equaled white but rome at pauls time was a multi-ethnic empire. most ethnic turks are white but paul said he ethnically was a hebrew so he could not have been an ethnic turk. That picture is from the 4th century hundreds of years after paul died.

uh, speaking of "location of birth != ethnicity," you would be the poster arguing "European = white"

 

[zombie]

it does not matter that white people can be found in the middle east the fact remains paul said he was Hebrew BORN OF HEBREWS AND THE ANCIENT HEBREWS ARE NOT WHITE.

actually, that seems like a matter of some debate, and your entire argument is "Paul's not white BECAUSE I USED THESE CAPITAL LETTERS!!!" which i think we all know isn't the strongest thing.

You want to make paul white just because he was born in turkey, which is a faulty assertion.

no, i want to make Paul EUROPEAN because he was born in Turkey (and in a part of Turkey one can point at and say, "yeah, that's basically Europe"). calling him WHITE is a different statement.

Some of the apostles are not major figures in the NT but they unlike PILATE are central to the actual purpose for the NT in the first place.

seems like the Roman for whom there's legit historical evidence and who plays a major role in the narrative - as well as being the prime Roman figure in a work that talks about Rome all the damn time - might qualify as a major figure in the Bible. i mean, i gave you an out ("discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings"), but for some reason that's not legit... but it IS legit to say "he's not a major figure because it's inconvenient to my argument" is? please.

I UNDERSTAND YOUr POSTS PERFECTLY-

well, you seemed to be having some trouble with reading comprehension, so i figured we should just check.

-AND THEY ARE FULL OF UTTER BULSHIT mixed with estrogen. I make logical arguments or directly give my reasonings for my position on an issue, if someone cannot pick apart my reasoning and logic then I reserve the right the call them whatever the fuck I want

no, you make arguments sometimes and sometimes you shout because you have no argument to make. it's not complicated.

IF MY NAME calling distracts you from the points I make then that is your fault for being such an emotional bitch.

no, your name calling points to the fact that you're being a shit poster who's covering for his inability to debate the topic by getting really angry. hence the reason why i am responding to your points (such as they are, anyway) despite the fact that your vagina has apparently gotten stuffed with abrasive sand.

really, all the CAPITAL LETTERS and ranting and you've got the nerve to call anyone else an emotional bitch? something something emotional bitches in glass houses shouldn't throw stones something something

who cares if I use capital letters or not it makes no difference, I can scream what I say to you, I can curse at you saying it, but if what I am saying is logical or correct how it is delivered is of no importance. My argument is paul is not white because he said he was Hebrew. Stop trying to misrepresent what I am saying. being born in Europe does not make you European being born in turkey does not make you an ethnic turk.

pilate is not a major figure because he has little impact on the teachings of the bible and just as a matter of presence through out the NT he has little importance. Passive aggression is female shit and you act like you take hormone pills. I DON't rant and rave I stay on topic and constantly argue my point the SS is one of the deadest forums and it's because of you, you are a horrible mod. You should be glad I even post here because I bring life to this fucking place.

 

[zombie]

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

you've got me there. i DID miss that memo.

*writes "Paul was, in fact, the blackest dude ever" in notebook*

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum

so he's not black... and he's not white... so he's either Asian or... no, wait, he's a white dude and he wrote all this Christian stuff that zombie follows.

truly an ice-cold burn with the "worst mod on this forum," though

WHITE people are born in Africa that does not mean that they are black. Think about the argument you are making some black people were born in the roman empire as well does that make them white???? some people think roman equaled white but rome at pauls time was a multi-ethnic empire. most ethnic turks are white but paul said he ethnically was a hebrew so he could not have been an ethnic turk. That picture is from the 4th century hundreds of years after paul died.

uh, speaking of "location of birth != ethnicity," you would be the poster arguing "European = white"

there you go with the estrogen filled passive aggressive sarcasm again paul was not white nor was he European you must want him to be white/european because you are probably fucking white yourself. you never did admit to what race you are and I've accused many times of being an overweight balding white man

 

[zombie]

there is not real debate about the race of paul he said he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews and indicated that he was from the tribe of Benjamin. if you want to debate the race of the ancient jews that is another argument but they clearly could not have been European or white. the ethnogenesis of what we would come to call jews starts in Africa and canaan or the lower levant.The fact remains that none of the aboriginal people in that region are white/European.

 

[kingblaze84]

it does not matter that white people can be found in the middle east the fact remains paul said he was Hebrew BORN OF HEBREWS AND THE ANCIENT HEBREWS ARE NOT WHITE.

actually, that seems like a matter of some debate, and your entire argument is "Paul's not white BECAUSE I USED THESE CAPITAL LETTERS!!!" which i think we all know isn't the strongest thing.

You want to make paul white just because he was born in turkey, which is a faulty assertion.

no, i want to make Paul EUROPEAN because he was born in Turkey (and in a part of Turkey one can point at and say, "yeah, that's basically Europe"). calling him WHITE is a different statement.

Some of the apostles are not major figures in the NT but they unlike PILATE are central to the actual purpose for the NT in the first place.

seems like the Roman for whom there's legit historical evidence and who plays a major role in the narrative - as well as being the prime Roman figure in a work that talks about Rome all the damn time - might qualify as a major figure in the Bible. i mean, i gave you an out ("discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings"), but for some reason that's not legit... but it IS legit to say "he's not a major figure because it's inconvenient to my argument" is? please.

I UNDERSTAND YOUr POSTS PERFECTLY-

well, you seemed to be having some trouble with reading comprehension, so i figured we should just check.

-AND THEY ARE FULL OF UTTER BULSHIT mixed with estrogen. I make logical arguments or directly give my reasonings for my position on an issue, if someone cannot pick apart my reasoning and logic then I reserve the right the call them whatever the fuck I want

no, you make arguments sometimes and sometimes you shout because you have no argument to make. it's not complicated.

IF MY NAME calling distracts you from the points I make then that is your fault for being such an emotional bitch.

no, your name calling points to the fact that you're being a shit poster who's covering for his inability to debate the topic by getting really angry. hence the reason why i am responding to your points (such as they are, anyway) despite the fact that your vagina has apparently gotten stuffed with abrasive sand.

really, all the CAPITAL LETTERS and ranting and you've got the nerve to call anyone else an emotional bitch? something something emotional bitches in glass houses shouldn't throw stones something something

Exactly, Zombie falsely said there were no major European figures in the Bible when Paul is clearly a European, he was born on the European side of Turkey and not on the Asian one. He likely was white but if he wasn't, I haven't seen the evidence. He was also described as having scant hair and a long nose, no mention of his face complexion but the painting of Paul from ancient Roman days looks like a pale guy to me. The Romans I'm sure had a decent idea to what he looked like, Paul traveled there maybe dozens of times

 

[kingblaze84]

ugh, excellent posts today, i see. okay...

paul said he was a Hebrew born of Hebrew it matters not were he was born he could have been born in England that would not change his race. good idea for you not to argue because you are not making any fucking sense if I was born in china that still does not make me Chinese.

do you need me to quote the whole ""white people" may also have been found in areas of the Middle East that are not considered "Europe"" thing? because there, i just did.

AND NO pilate is not a major figure In the bible because it does not revolve around him nor is he referenced over and over in the gospels he creates none of the themes in the gospel he does not guide the action from step to step he is a just another figure to say that he is a major one would be a lie. they talk about rome but the NT was created by non Europeans and non white people. All the apostles were jewish and not the white jews we see today.

you know, i'm sure you'll call the apostles "major figures," but somehow i doubt each and every one of them "guides the action step by step." a REAL argument would have been to discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings... but i guess you were too busy getting deep into your feelings to really think about the topic?

also, you shouted out Paul as getting all this credit for writing the NT... and it seems like he's European and white. whoa

sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are female traits men don't debate or talk to each other like that TRY BEING a man and speak direct. every fucking post from you is sarcasm and passive aggressive panty wearing bullshit. we all use sarcasm sometime but slow down with that shit it's over use makes you sound like a bitch.

i'm sorry, i thought my posts were pretty clear. if you didn't understand them... well, i don't know what to tell you. step your game up. this is not the most demanding material to process.

plus, i'm not sure you're in a position to tell anyone how to debate a topic, since you IMMEDIATELY lose your shit and go into a name-calling rage the second someone doesn't take whatever nonsense you're spouting as gospel.

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum wants to have a debate on the race of the people in the bible then that's a whole other argument what he is saying about the possible race of paul is baseless because the popular white jews , Ashkenazim jews only came into being centuries after paul was dead. and paul was he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews and indicated that he was from the tribe of Benjamin

Yes Ashkenazi Jews from Eurasia or Europe came later on but I haven't seen convincing evidence that Paul was anything other then a White Jew from Europe. He was born in Turkey, was a Roman citizen and both of his parents were Roman citizens. Was he Arabic to you? I doubt he was Persian. An ancient Roman painting of him to me looks like a regular White Jew. And remember Paul was in Roman custody many times, I'm sure they knew what he looked like. Paul or Saul seems to have been a regular White guy, most Turks are White and many wish to join the European Union.

http://www.theliberalspirit.com/awretchedman/blog/?p=2564

WHITE people are born in Africa that does not mean that they are black. Think about the argument you are making some black people were born in the roman empire as well does that make them white???? some people think roman equaled white but rome at pauls time was a multi-ethnic empire. most ethnic turks are white but paul said he ethnically was a hebrew so he could not have been an ethnic turk. That picture is from the 4th century hundreds of years after paul died.

My main point is you said there wasn't major European figures in the Bible when Pontius Pilate and Saint Paul are. Research where Paul was born, it was the European side. If you really want to believe Pontius Pilate isn't a major figure you're not being rational, he killed your lord and savior, how is that not a major event. There are plays made about him till this day, that doesn't happen for just anyone come on. Once you do research on Paul you'll see the truth for yourself, he was European, you know European Jews exist right lol.....

 

[zombie]

ugh, excellent posts today, i see. okay...

paul said he was a Hebrew born of Hebrew it matters not were he was born he could have been born in England that would not change his race. good idea for you not to argue because you are not making any fucking sense if I was born in china that still does not make me Chinese.

do you need me to quote the whole ""white people" may also have been found in areas of the Middle East that are not considered "Europe"" thing? because there, i just did.

AND NO pilate is not a major figure In the bible because it does not revolve around him nor is he referenced over and over in the gospels he creates none of the themes in the gospel he does not guide the action from step to step he is a just another figure to say that he is a major one would be a lie. they talk about rome but the NT was created by non Europeans and non white people. All the apostles were jewish and not the white jews we see today.

you know, i'm sure you'll call the apostles "major figures," but somehow i doubt each and every one of them "guides the action step by step." a REAL argument would have been to discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings... but i guess you were too busy getting deep into your feelings to really think about the topic?

also, you shouted out Paul as getting all this credit for writing the NT... and it seems like he's European and white. whoa

sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are female traits men don't debate or talk to each other like that TRY BEING a man and speak direct. every fucking post from you is sarcasm and passive aggressive panty wearing bullshit. we all use sarcasm sometime but slow down with that shit it's over use makes you sound like a bitch.

i'm sorry, i thought my posts were pretty clear. if you didn't understand them... well, i don't know what to tell you. step your game up. this is not the most demanding material to process.

plus, i'm not sure you're in a position to tell anyone how to debate a topic, since you IMMEDIATELY lose your shit and go into a name-calling rage the second someone doesn't take whatever nonsense you're spouting as gospel.

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum wants to have a debate on the race of the people in the bible then that's a whole other argument what he is saying about the possible race of paul is baseless because the popular white jews , Ashkenazim jews only came into being centuries after paul was dead. and paul was he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews and indicated that he was from the tribe of Benjamin

Yes Ashkenazi Jews from Eurasia or Europe came later on but I haven't seen convincing evidence that Paul was anything other then a White Jew from Europe. He was born in Turkey, was a Roman citizen and both of his parents were Roman citizens. Was he Arabic to you? I doubt he was Persian. An ancient Roman painting of him to me looks like a regular White Jew. And remember Paul was in Roman custody many times, I'm sure they knew what he looked like. Paul or Saul seems to have been a regular White guy, most Turks are White and many wish to join the European Union.

http://www.theliberalspirit.com/awretchedman/blog/?p=2564

WHITE people are born in Africa that does not mean that they are black. Think about the argument you are making some black people were born in the roman empire as well does that make them white???? some people think roman equaled white but rome at pauls time was a multi-ethnic empire. most ethnic turks are white but paul said he ethnically was a hebrew so he could not have been an ethnic turk. That picture is from the 4th century hundreds of years after paul died.

My main point is you said there wasn't major European figures in the Bible when Pontius Pilate and Saint Paul are. Research where Paul was born, it was the European side. If you really want to believe Pontius Pilate isn't a major figure you're not being rational, he killed your lord and savior, how is that not a major event. There are plays made about him till this day, that doesn't happen for just anyone come on. Once you do research on Paul you'll see the truth for yourself, he was European, you know European Jews exist right

SMH.. You are just disagreeing with me because you don't like the truth. PAUL was born in tarsus which is not in the European section of turkey it's right outside of the levant in the southern section of the turkey and thus now and in ancient times you find many people from the levant there. In your zeal to disrespect my religion you are forgetting geography. I ALREADY EXPLAINED HOW pilate IS not a major figure in the scriptures. he plays no part in constructing the religious theology of the NT he also was nothing more than a pawn of the jewish establishment who were really responsible for the death of Christ he washed his hands of it and on top of that he's not mentioned much in the Nt compared too the major figures of the scriptures. he plays his little part in the NT and that's it.

there being plays made about him mean nothing I look at the actual text, THE BIBLE. In these conversions you tend to bring up things outside of the text but ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE ACTUAL TEXT not what people thousands of years later write. Europen jews/white jews did not exist until centuries later. THE ETHNOGENESIS of the original jews are in Africa and the lower levant not Europe or even turkey.

I am black my children are black we will never be white/European no matter where we live.

 

[zombie]

97% OF TURKEY is in western asia the only section of turkey that is in Europe in east thrace paul was not born there he was born in tarsus which is in the southern section of the country and he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews circumsized by the tribe of Benjamin. This means he was not European geographically nor was he was ethnically or genetically white.

 

[kingblaze84]

ugh, excellent posts today, i see. okay...

paul said he was a Hebrew born of Hebrew it matters not were he was born he could have been born in England that would not change his race. good idea for you not to argue because you are not making any fucking sense if I was born in china that still does not make me Chinese.

do you need me to quote the whole ""white people" may also have been found in areas of the Middle East that are not considered "Europe"" thing? because there, i just did.

AND NO pilate is not a major figure In the bible because it does not revolve around him nor is he referenced over and over in the gospels he creates none of the themes in the gospel he does not guide the action from step to step he is a just another figure to say that he is a major one would be a lie. they talk about rome but the NT was created by non Europeans and non white people. All the apostles were jewish and not the white jews we see today.

you know, i'm sure you'll call the apostles "major figures," but somehow i doubt each and every one of them "guides the action step by step." a REAL argument would have been to discuss what impact Pilate has on the actual religious teachings... but i guess you were too busy getting deep into your feelings to really think about the topic?

also, you shouted out Paul as getting all this credit for writing the NT... and it seems like he's European and white. whoa

sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are female traits men don't debate or talk to each other like that TRY BEING a man and speak direct. every fucking post from you is sarcasm and passive aggressive panty wearing bullshit. we all use sarcasm sometime but slow down with that shit it's over use makes you sound like a bitch.

i'm sorry, i thought my posts were pretty clear. if you didn't understand them... well, i don't know what to tell you. step your game up. this is not the most demanding material to process.

plus, i'm not sure you're in a position to tell anyone how to debate a topic, since you IMMEDIATELY lose your shit and go into a name-calling rage the second someone doesn't take whatever nonsense you're spouting as gospel.

Saint Paul was a Black Turkish man with dreadlocks and a Black Power Rangers costume, you didn't get the memo???

nah we most likely was not black but he was not white either and if the worst mod on this forum wants to have a debate on the race of the people in the bible then that's a whole other argument what he is saying about the possible race of paul is baseless because the popular white jews , Ashkenazim jews only came into being centuries after paul was dead. and paul was he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews and indicated that he was from the tribe of Benjamin

Yes Ashkenazi Jews from Eurasia or Europe came later on but I haven't seen convincing evidence that Paul was anything other then a White Jew from Europe. He was born in Turkey, was a Roman citizen and both of his parents were Roman citizens. Was he Arabic to you? I doubt he was Persian. An ancient Roman painting of him to me looks like a regular White Jew. And remember Paul was in Roman custody many times, I'm sure they knew what he looked like. Paul or Saul seems to have been a regular White guy, most Turks are White and many wish to join the European Union.

http://www.theliberalspirit.com/awretchedman/blog/?p=2564

WHITE people are born in Africa that does not mean that they are black. Think about the argument you are making some black people were born in the roman empire as well does that make them white???? some people think roman equaled white but rome at pauls time was a multi-ethnic empire. most ethnic turks are white but paul said he ethnically was a hebrew so he could not have been an ethnic turk. That picture is from the 4th century hundreds of years after paul died.

My main point is you said there wasn't major European figures in the Bible when Pontius Pilate and Saint Paul are. Research where Paul was born, it was the European side. If you really want to believe Pontius Pilate isn't a major figure you're not being rational, he killed your lord and savior, how is that not a major event. There are plays made about him till this day, that doesn't happen for just anyone come on. Once you do research on Paul you'll see the truth for yourself, he was European, you know European Jews exist right

SMH.. You are just disagreeing with me because you don't like the truth. PAUL was born in tarsus which is not in the European section of turkey it's right outside of the levant in the southern section of the turkey and thus now and in ancient times you find many people from the levant there. In your zeal to disrespect my religion you are forgetting geography. I ALREADY EXPLAINED HOW pilate IS not a major figure in the scriptures. he plays no part in constructing the religious theology of the NT he also was nothing more than a pawn of the jewish establishment who were really responsible for the death of Christ he washed his hands of it and on top of that he's not mentioned much in the Nt compared too the major figures of the scriptures. he plays his little part in the NT and that's it.

there being plays made about him mean nothing I look at the actual text, THE BIBLE. In these conversions you tend to bring up things outside of the text but ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE ACTUAL TEXT not what people thousands of years later write. Europen jews/white jews did not exist until centuries later. THE ETHNOGENESIS of the original jews are in Africa and the lower levant not Europe or even turkey.

I am black my children are black we will never be white/European no matter where we live.

Tarsus in Cilicia is really on the European part of Turkey, there is a mountain or sea range that separates it from Syria, which is part of the Levant. I know my geography, it isn't perfect but it's good enough. For the most part Cilicia has been settled by Europeans throughout history. Saint Paul, if not European, comes from a part of the world many recognize as being mostly or at least half European. You're being silly by saying Pontius Pilate isn't at least a major figure, HE KILLED JESUS along with the Jews but whatever.

The ethnicity of ancient Jews is always under debate but they generally do come from Asian and African regions. But there were many White looking Jews back then too, Sephardic Jews or Mizrahi Jews generally look White and in fact most Israelis today refer to themselves as Mizrahi Jews. The Bible isn't completely a White man's book of course but many of the people who put it together and edited and chose what to put in it were definitely White Europeans. You can't deny that so there really shouldn't be a debate here.

And if Paul wasn't a White Jew as Roman paintings have him look (and same with Peter), then what race was he....

 

[kingblaze84]

97% OF TURKEY is in western asia the only section of turkey that is in Europe in east thrace paul was not born there he was born in tarsus which is in the southern section of the country and he was a Hebrew born of Hebrews circumsized by the tribe of Benjamin. This means he was not European geographically nor was he was ethnically or genetically white.

Turkey is more 90% in Asia but there's a good chance Paul could have been White, many Europeans settled the area of Tarsus and again it's separate from Syria. I'm willing to say Paul could have been a Mizrahi Jew who are Asiatic but often look White these days, can we agree on that?

Many Asians in Eurasia (which Turkey can be considered along with parts of Russia) are often mixed with White.

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

Cilicia being in the European section of turkey an absolute lie and you know it and so you don't know your geography at all, all you have to do is look at a fucking map and it's clear to see that tarsus/Cilicia is not part of Europe. the area was under the control of levant people for centuries before Europeans and when the romans took control they did not displace the inhabitants and ethnically cleanse them so the race of people who lived there stayed there and was joined by a much smaller ruling class of romans.

Pontius pilate is a minor figure in the bible, there is no gospel of pilate he is not a major subject at all and he washed his hands of the death of Christ as he was forced by jews to sign his death warrant. most of the white jews you see now are a result the scattering of the jewish people after the destruction of the roman jewish wars or religious conversion.

there is no " THE BIBLE" the scriptures that composed what people in the west call "the bible " were complied differently by different people because before any one version of "the bible" became popular all the gospels and letters of paul drifted all over the middle east and Africa that is why for example the ethopians have their own cannon and why the Coptic chuch has it's own cannon and why the roman church has it's own cannon. by the time the European/romans choose to put these scriptures together in their own "bible" people outside of Europe had already had the scriptures the oldest church is not in Europe it's in Jordan.[/b]

 

[janklow]

who cares if I use capital letters or not it makes no difference-

i'm sorry, i thought you were the guy who was laying down rules for proper debate on this forum. that wasn't you? well, i do apologize for that.

My argument is paul is not white because he said he was Hebrew.

right, this is not necessarily a statement anyone agrees with, and we're both free to agree to disagree on this score, but apparently, anyone NOT agreeing with you has resulted in your hurt feelings.

pilate is not a major figure because he has little impact on the teachings of the bible and just as a matter of presence through out the NT he has little importance.

wow, it's ALMOST like i pointed out the former myself. twice. and it's ALMOST like you could have made a real argument instead of all of the above. but...

Passive aggression is female shit and you act like you take hormone pills. I DON't rant and rave I stay on topic-

example of your completely on-topic post:

"sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are female traits men don't debate or talk to each other like that TRY BEING a man and speak direct. every fucking post from you is sarcasm and passive aggressive panty wearing bullshit. we all use sarcasm sometime but slow down with that shit it's over use makes you sound like a bitch. "

oh wait, that was you ranting and raving about something that has nothing to do with the topic. going to add "lying his ass off" to that list now.

the SS is one of the deadest forums and it's because of you, you are a horrible mod.

boo-fucking-hoo. or maybe it's because people toss SL threads elsewhere, or maybe it's because we've had X number of crazy bad posters here. whatever.

 

[janklow]

MORE ON-TOPIC POSTING:

there you go with the estrogen filled passive aggressive sarcasm again paul was not white nor was he European you must want him to be white/european because you are probably fucking white yourself. you never did admit to what race you are and I've accused many times of being an overweight balding white man

look, now we're going to have to go back to pointing out that your obsession with white guys and/or homosexual activities is an indicator that you are, in fact, bursting with lust for naked white guys.

related note: the difference between you and i is that i don't give a shit about what race or nationality religious figures are. Paul's white? Jesus black? WHO FUCKING CARES! it's almost - ALMOST - like their religious teachings shouldn't have shit to do with your race or nationality.

 

[LUClEN]

How dare you say that that Islam has problems with violence in a Newspaper cartoon

To show you how wrong you are we're going to carry out pointless sprees of violence on civilians in the name of Islam

 

[kingblaze84]

Okay so if Paul wasn't White, again what race was he, Asian? Arabic? Or Eurasian...you can disregard the pale looking Roman painting but again, the Romans had a good idea what he looked like since he was a real person and traveled to Rome many times and even died there. Interesting how the ancient Roman paintings of Peter looks like another White guy as well and of course the Romans knew Peter pretty well, they crucified him like they did Jesus.

 

[zombie]

Okay so if Paul wasn't White, again what race was he, Asian? Arabic? Or Eurasian...you can disregard the pale looking Roman painting but again, the Romans had a good idea what he looked like since he was a real person and traveled to Rome many times and even died there. Interesting how the ancient Roman paintings of Peter looks like another White guy as well and of course the Romans knew Peter pretty well, they crucified him like they did Jesus.

that painting was made about 4 hundred years after the time of paul, the romans like most cultures depict heroes OR people in popular stories in a fashion that is comfortable for them that is why white people still depict the Egyptians as being white. The people who created that painting never saw paul their grand parents never saw paul. that painting proves nothing at all.

paul was a Hebrew born of Hebrews which means he would have looked like the people in the area of Israel today minus the white jews and very fair skinned jews. HE WAS hebrew he would have looked more like French montana or dj kalid he surely was not white. The Hebrews themselves, Israel genetically speaking were made of the people in the area so that means a mix of African, arab and Levantine people Not European.