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DR. JEK;7369067 said:I don t think its just islam that supresses women. Dont.mormons not let women do a whole bunch of stuff too?
Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
kingblaze84;7380230 said:Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
I hear ya but the Yazidi people of Iraq and the Buddha didn't spread their religion/philosophy through war and violence, so spreading a philosophy or religion in a peaceful way is possible.
Some people theorize that Mohammed had to be violent and spread Islam in a forceful way because outside forces were plotting to take him and his followers on, so preemptive strikes were necessary. My Muslim friend says it's not a big deal when America does preemptive strikes all the time, but I'll admit I don't know all the answers. It does seem Mohammed was a little too trigger happy and brutal then necessary, based on reading I've done. And to be fair Islam does have many passages that support peace
FuriousOne;7379704 said:Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
The self proclaimed prophets Buddha (is he considered a prophet?) and Jesus weren't warring on tribes. Other religious figures in the major religions didn't claim themselves to be the Prophet.
kingblaze84;7380230 said:I hear ya but the Yazidi people of Iraq and the Buddha didn't spread their religion/philosophy through war and violence, so spreading a philosophy or religion in a peaceful way is possible.
kingblaze84;7380230 said:Some people theorize that Mohammed had to be violent and spread Islam in a forceful way because outside forces were plotting to take him and his followers on, so preemptive strikes were necessary.
kingblaze84;7380230 said:My Muslim friend says it's not a big deal when America does preemptive strikes all the time,
kingblaze84;7380230 said:but I'll admit I don't know all the answers.
kingblaze84;7380230 said:It does seem Mohammed was a little too trigger happy and brutal then necessary, based on reading I've done.
kingblaze84;7380230 said:And to be fair Islam does have many passages that support peace
FuriousOne;7380280 said:kingblaze84;7380230 said:Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
I hear ya but the Yazidi people of Iraq and the Buddha didn't spread their religion/philosophy through war and violence, so spreading a philosophy or religion in a peaceful way is possible.
Some people theorize that Mohammed had to be violent and spread Islam in a forceful way because outside forces were plotting to take him and his followers on, so preemptive strikes were necessary. My Muslim friend says it's not a big deal when America does preemptive strikes all the time, but I'll admit I don't know all the answers. It does seem Mohammed was a little too trigger happy and brutal then necessary, based on reading I've done. And to be fair Islam does have many passages that support peace
I don't think you can honestly compare the moral intentions of a secular (at least on paper) nation state with a supposedly righteous religion.
Plutarch;7381737 said:FuriousOne;7379704 said:Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
The self proclaimed prophets Buddha (is he considered a prophet?) and Jesus weren't warring on tribes. Other religious figures in the major religions didn't claim themselves to be the Prophet.
I'm not familiar with Buddhism (I've heard that it's not a religion btw), but what you have said doesn't seem implausible. However, I wonder about this because when I think of ancient Chinese history (which I assume coincides with Buddhist history?), all I think about is wars and empires and dynasties. Apparently, however, Buddhism originated in India, so I would wonder about Indian history as well and whether or not Buddhism intersected with any wars that were waged back then.
Jesus practiced peace and was a pacifist, so he's clear. But other Jewish and "Christian" figures in both the Old Testament and the New Testament engaged in war and violence all with the apparent approval of the same Abrahamic God who also approved Jesus. I'm saying that most major religions (not prophets) can't avoid war and violence. I think that it's entirely possible for some major prophets to avoid war and violence. But entire major religions? Eh.
kingblaze84;7382117 said:FuriousOne;7380280 said:kingblaze84;7380230 said:Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
I hear ya but the Yazidi people of Iraq and the Buddha didn't spread their religion/philosophy through war and violence, so spreading a philosophy or religion in a peaceful way is possible.
Some people theorize that Mohammed had to be violent and spread Islam in a forceful way because outside forces were plotting to take him and his followers on, so preemptive strikes were necessary. My Muslim friend says it's not a big deal when America does preemptive strikes all the time, but I'll admit I don't know all the answers. It does seem Mohammed was a little too trigger happy and brutal then necessary, based on reading I've done. And to be fair Islam does have many passages that support peace
I don't think you can honestly compare the moral intentions of a secular (at least on paper) nation state with a supposedly righteous religion.
Moral intentions, preemptive strikes, and America in the same frame of thought........? Don't make me laugh. If you're speaking about the ISIS situation, perhaps you barely have a point, I'm assuming you're not speaking about before that.
FuriousOne;7382312 said:kingblaze84;7382117 said:FuriousOne;7380280 said:kingblaze84;7380230 said:Plutarch;7379678 said:soul rattler;7379468 said:Plutarch;7379246 said:I still believe that Islam is mostly a religion of peace. There will always be the few crazies that exploit or misinterpret their religion. Unfortunately, these minorities get the most air time, and therein lies the misunderstandings of religions.
Muhammad was a war monger. He killed effortlessly in the name of his own religion. This is historical fact.
I know this, but I'd still have to read more on it. Many other religious figures were military leaders as well and were responsible for the deaths of others. Whether this was the "will of God," strictly political matters (and thus possibly self-defense), or personal blood-thirst is a matter that I'm not too knowledgeable about, at least when it comes to Muhammad.
I made sure that I said "'mostly' a religion of peace," because I know that Islam isn't all pacifistic. You can't avoid war when it comes to humans. I do know that many passages from the Quran espouse peace and civility.
I hear ya but the Yazidi people of Iraq and the Buddha didn't spread their religion/philosophy through war and violence, so spreading a philosophy or religion in a peaceful way is possible.
Some people theorize that Mohammed had to be violent and spread Islam in a forceful way because outside forces were plotting to take him and his followers on, so preemptive strikes were necessary. My Muslim friend says it's not a big deal when America does preemptive strikes all the time, but I'll admit I don't know all the answers. It does seem Mohammed was a little too trigger happy and brutal then necessary, based on reading I've done. And to be fair Islam does have many passages that support peace
I don't think you can honestly compare the moral intentions of a secular (at least on paper) nation state with a supposedly righteous religion.
Moral intentions, preemptive strikes, and America in the same frame of thought........? Don't make me laugh. If you're speaking about the ISIS situation, perhaps you barely have a point, I'm assuming you're not speaking about before that.
What i am saying is that America is not hung up by religious morality as a state goal. Individuals are, but it's not something that can hold weight in terms of religious influence on overall government agendas. They can make decisions without religion it being the basis for their decision making. The decisions are usually political and economic. The leadership being religious has nothing to do with most goals being secular. Americans enjoy a hell of a lot more freedom from Christianity then people in Middle Eastern countries and we have avenues to fight against it without risk of life (most of the time).
BigBallsNoWorries;7688323 said:I swear you can make fun of any other religion
Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholic, Protestant
But when it comes to the Islamic religion
Shit gets real, you can't even joke about the prophet Muhammad without some act of violence
I mean niggaz died over a fucking CARTOON
Something thats supposed to be harmless, silly and used for entertainment purposes
Got someone killed, grown men all ski masked up with assault rifles taking someone else's life over a cartoon
South Park made fun of tons of people and every religion but when it came to Muhammad, Comedy Central pulled the episode
And this is supposed to America where you have free speech and the freedom of press
This shit is retarded and it has to stop
But I dont see the French officials catching these guys alive
If they are extreme enough to kill someone over a cartoon of Muhammad then they will easily kill themselves for the same reason
zombie;7689042 said:This nigga muhamand is the ultimate hypocrite a muslim man is limited to having 4 wives this nigga had like 9-12.
Quran (4:3) - "Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess."
Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives."
These are some of his wives but he had more
Sawda bint Zam'a
Aisha bint Abi Bakr
Hafsa bint Umar
Hind (Umm Salama) bint Abi Umayya
Zaynab bint Jahsh
Zaynab bint Khuzayma
Rayhana bint Zayd ibn Amr
Ramlah (Umm Habiba) bint Abi Sufyan
Juwayriyah bint Al-Harith
Trillaaaaaa;7688953 said:Mr.LV;7688948 said:Wait Muhammad had sex slaves?! I didn't know that, I need to do some research on Islam.
That faggot had a 9 year old wife bruh
AZTG;7689939 said:I aint saying this to be in support of Islam though. The islamic world definetly has a sickness. And if moderate muslims dont speak on it itll never get solved.
In 2015 muslims should not want to follow the Koran literally. Reform is needed. The bible has many passages of taking women as slaves during war. But christians have now reformed for the most part and do not take these passages literally.
I could do what @zombie does and just use this bible passage as propoganda though.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
In the new testemant they translate slaves as servants. But if you read those passages you know they talking about slaves.
There was a reason why white christians used the bible to justify enslaving and keeping africans.
Either way though they eventually reformed their beliefs and stopped. Islam now needs to do the same.
BARON_$AMEDI;7693479 said:AZTG;7689939 said:I aint saying this to be in support of Islam though. The islamic world definetly has a sickness. And if moderate muslims dont speak on it itll never get solved.
In 2015 muslims should not want to follow the Koran literally. Reform is needed. The bible has many passages of taking women as slaves during war. But christians have now reformed for the most part and do not take these passages literally.
I could do what @zombie does and just use this bible passage as propoganda though.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
In the new testemant they translate slaves as servants. But if you read those passages you know they talking about slaves.
There was a reason why white christians used the bible to justify enslaving and keeping africans.
Either way though they eventually reformed their beliefs and stopped. Islam now needs to do the same.
@AZTG
DAMN!!!!!!!!!! I said this shit in my first post. Glad to see a none pork eater using common sense and reason OUT IN THE OPEN. This shit is mad rare, Usually y'all will do this in secret after faking following the rules in front of your parents.
The way they treat women been needed to be addressed, shit is beyond ridiculous. They are treated like property and not humans. You talk to the average Muslim female they are not completely happy. Especially when they see how non Muslim women living freely like a regular human being. I get Muslims mad as fuck when I talk about how homoerotic theirunfair, brutal, male chauvinistic, uncivilized, backwards, weird ass crazed cultreligion is.
Islam fucked up my potential soul mate and I will never forget that shit lol. Had us sneaking around kissing and shit. Then she said we couldn't have sex and couldn't be together unless I was a Muslim.........SMH!!!! Her ass was trying to lightweight convert me and shit. I could have smashed if I wanted to, and then fixed us some ribs afterwords. But I walked away. I really think I could have made her say fuck that shit lol. She probably has by now, religion itself is the number one cause of people denouncing it. But of coarse they will tell you it's this made up evil force that did it.
BARON_$AMEDI;7693479 said:AZTG;7689939 said:I aint saying this to be in support of Islam though. The islamic world definetly has a sickness. And if moderate muslims dont speak on it itll never get solved.
In 2015 muslims should not want to follow the Koran literally. Reform is needed. The bible has many passages of taking women as slaves during war. But christians have now reformed for the most part and do not take these passages literally.
I could do what @zombie does and just use this bible passage as propoganda though.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
In the new testemant they translate slaves as servants. But if you read those passages you know they talking about slaves.
There was a reason why white christians used the bible to justify enslaving and keeping africans.
Either way though they eventually reformed their beliefs and stopped. Islam now needs to do the same.
@AZTG
DAMN!!!!!!!!!! I said this shit in my first post. Glad to see a none pork eater using common sense and reason OUT IN THE OPEN. This shit is mad rare, Usually y'all will do this in secret after faking following the rules in front of your parents.
The way they treat women been needed to be addressed, shit is beyond ridiculous. They are treated like property and not humans. You talk to the average Muslim female they are not completely happy. Especially when they see how non Muslim women living freely like a regular human being. I get Muslims mad as fuck when I talk about how homoerotic theirunfair, brutal, male chauvinistic, uncivilized, backwards, weird ass crazed cultreligion is.
Islam fucked up my potential soul mate and I will never forget that shit lol. Had us sneaking around kissing and shit. Then she said we couldn't have sex and couldn't be together unless I was a Muslim.........SMH!!!! Her ass was trying to lightweight convert me and shit. I could have smashed if I wanted to, and then fixed us some ribs afterwords. But I walked away. I really think I could have made her say fuck that shit lol. She probably has by now, religion itself is the number one cause of people denouncing it. But of coarse they will tell you it's this made up evil force that did it.