WILL ISLAM EVER ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM?

[kingblaze84]

A Muslim/Sunni Jordanian politician who supports ISIS says ISIS is doing everything the Koran and the Prophet Mohammed would do and did in the past.....not sure if this is all true but since that politician is Muslim it's very telling....I'm assuming it's not COMPLETELY true and if it is, then the world is gonna have battles in the Muslim world for a long time, even if America isn't doing anything in the region. The Sunni vs Shiite war, after 1400 years still hasn't been solved smh....any Muslims here wanna comment on this video?
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/4471.htm

 

[kingblaze84]

Damn there used to be a lot of Muslims on the SL, did the non religious folks scare them off?

 

[Alkinduz]

Islam is not a group fellas, its the name of a religion over 1.4 billion people follow worldwide...from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur....

loads of muslims dont feel the need to say shit about Isis or what happens in Iraq, because they dont feel it has anything to do with them...

those christian anti immigrant groups that hunt down immigrants in Eastern Europe, do you as a christian feel connected to them in anyway that you feel you need to say/do something about it?

99 outta a 100 times you dont, because that goes without saying....actions of others, were not always responsible...

Some dude with the same nationality/religion as me does something...what does his actions have to do with me and why would that automaticly mean that it reflects on me? Seriously? Some dudes in afganistan/somalia with decades of war n poverty point of view has something to do with you and me?

.... maybe people in general, think to much in groups...people are afraid of ignorance I guess...rather judge the world than actually (get to) know it.

 

[lazypakman]

how many decades did catholic priests get away with fucking young boys until someone admitted there was a problem?

every religion has their vice.its just the way of the world i'm afraid, which is why arguments like this prove nothing.

 

[Alkinduz]

Its all fucked up. There are wars going on all over Africa and the mid east, wars give birth to all the extremes of men....AQ n IS were non existant before the USA decided to engage.

Look at Israel n Palestine....extremes on all sides. Christian/Jewish/muslim, all regardless of religious/ethnic background extreme....

 

[Alkinduz]

I still dont understand how people can say: 'well how come muslims dont stand up against the extremists and condemn their actions, let their voices be heard etc'

wtf? Muslims are out there right now fighting the extremists man lol. Do or die forreal forreal out there, fighting IS, fucking AQ, Taliban and so on.

 

[zombie]

there is no such thing as an extremist muslim like i have been saying from the very fucking start of this thread groups like isis are simply doing what the prophet and his companions did. Muhammand literally ordered the death OF people and stole his daughter in law from his son compare that to the actions and lifestyle of jesus.

islam and christianity are not on the same wavelength at all.

 

[PILL_COSBY]

Islam is not a group fellas, its the name of a religion over 1.4 billion people follow worldwide...from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur....

loads of muslims dont feel the need to say shit about Isis or what happens in Iraq, because they dont feel it has anything to do with them...

those christian anti immigrant groups that hunt down immigrants in Eastern Europe, do you as a christian feel connected to them in anyway that you feel you need to say/do something about it?

99 outta a 100 times you dont, because that goes without saying....actions of others, were not always responsible...

Some dude with the same nationality/religion as me does something...what does his actions have to do with me and why would that automaticly mean that it reflects on me? Seriously? Some dudes in afganistan/somalia with decades of war n poverty point of view has something to do with you and me?

.... maybe people in general, think to much in groups...people are afraid of ignorance I guess...rather judge the world than actually (get to) know it.

SMH, please go back and read the original post.

there is no such thing as an extremist muslim like i have been saying from the very fucking start of this thread groups like isis are simply doing what the prophet and his companions did. Muhammand literally ordered the death OF people and stole his daughter in law from his son

This will never be talked about, because islam is pure/perfect and the true religion. He did as he pleased because he was holy. People from all over were probably offering their 12 - 15 year old girls to him. He sure liked his bitches young man.....

 

[Alkinduz]

there is no such thing as an extremist muslim like i have been saying from the very fucking start of this thread groups like isis are simply doing what the prophet and his companions did. Muhammand literally ordered the death OF people and stole his daughter in law from his son compare that to the actions and lifestyle of jesus.

islam and christianity are not on the same wavelength at all.

non-sense

Muhammad wrote an open letter, ordering that christians and jews have the right to freely practice their religions/build their temples within islamic societies.

Groups like IS and AQ totally ignore Mohammads teachings of religious and spiritual tolerance and mass murder Christians in Iraq.

How is that not being extreme?

Youre problem is that you dont realize that the hadith/traditions, much like the talmud, have very little to do with the koran amd even less with mohammad, there are literally thousands of hadith books out there, written in different eras by different priests(under the command of different rulers) hence why they contradict the shit putta eachother.

 

[zombie]

there is no such thing as an extremist muslim like i have been saying from the very fucking start of this thread groups like isis are simply doing what the prophet and his companions did. Muhammand literally ordered the death OF people and stole his daughter in law from his son compare that to the actions and lifestyle of jesus.

islam and christianity are not on the same wavelength at all.

non-sense

Muhammad wrote an open letter, ordering that christians and jews have the right to freely practice their religions/build their temples within islamic societies.

Groups like IS and AQ totally ignore Mohammads teachings of religious and spiritual tolerance and mass murder Christians in Iraq.

How is that not being extreme?

Youre problem is that you dont realize that the hadith/traditions, much like the talmud, have very little to do with the koran amd even less with mohammad, there are literally thousands of hadith books out there, written in different eras by different priests(under the command of different rulers) hence why they contradict the shit putta eachother.

Is that so?? the only reason christians and jews are protected is because they pay jizzah. which muhammad created as a way for muslims to make money with the sole purpose of making christians and jews feel subdued

Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

when muhammad and the early muslims were in a weak situation he wanted peace but as soon as he got power it was a different story this is all supported by the islamic doctrine of abrogation

And for whatever verse we abrogate and cast into oblivion

We bring a better or the like of it;

knowest thou not that God is powerful over everything?

-- Sura 2:106

And when We exchange a verse in place of another verse --

and God knows very well what He is sending down --

they say, 'Thou art a mere forger!'

Nay, but the most of them have no knowledge.

-- Sura 16:101

All those peace loving verses about being friends with non muslims and not oppressing them are for when islam is weak in the land when they get power those verses are no longer followed

when i talk about hadith i talk about the reliable ones Sahih Muslim, Sahih al-Bukhari if you reject all the hadith you are a heretic in islam and even with out the hadith the good character of muhammad is in question.

 

[PILL_COSBY]

Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

And for whatever verse we abrogate and cast into oblivion

We bring a better or the like of it;

knowest thou not that God is powerful over everything?

-- Sura 2:106

And when We exchange a verse in place of another verse --

and God knows very well what He is sending down --

they say, 'Thou art a mere forger!'

Nay, but the most of them have no knowledge.

-- Sura 16:101

Are these violent words from the pure/perfect book of islam???????? Can't wait to see how these words get spun around. Sounds a lot like jihad to me.........

 

[Muhannad]

With threads like these, I can see why this room gets so little traffic.

Islam is the scapegoat and the mechanism through which these extremist hitch their wagon too..islam is not the problem uts the practicioners and the cultural practices in certain countries the culture of violence and barbarism is not a pillar of Islam..

/thread

 

[Muhannad]

The fact they haven't changed with the times might mean they're the one true religion.

I never understood how the Word of God changes as society becomes more excepting. If 3000 years ago God said to cover your bitch up or that gluttony is a sin, that should be that.

But hoes asses started getting fat & food became so abundant that all that shit was put to the side.

I was done with this thread but this is true. You see how other religions such as christianity change with times. Like take homosexuality. Christians also have Sodom and Gomorrah and the story of the prophet Lut in their scriptures. Christianity's take on that gay lifestyle should be clear.

In '14 you have openly gay ministers with actual congregations all over the western world. You got gay Anglican priests. These christians that try to hold on to their values are actually getting shamed into accepting lifestyles their rewritten holy book rejects holehartedly. These people just tweak their religion to where it suits them instead of changing their behavior to practise the religion.

It'll get to the point where these christians will openly question God's existence, but will reserve the right to be called christian.

When your source isn't clear i.e. a rewritten book, this is what you get. People redifining and tweaking the religion to match their basic desires.

 

[zombie]

The fact they haven't changed with the times might mean they're the one true religion.

I never understood how the Word of God changes as society becomes more excepting. If 3000 years ago God said to cover your bitch up or that gluttony is a sin, that should be that.

But hoes asses started getting fat & food became so abundant that all that shit was put to the side.

I was done with this thread but this is true. You see how other religions such as christianity change with times. Like take homosexuality. Christians also have Sodom and Gomorrah and the story of the prophet Lut in their scriptures. Christianity's take on that gay lifestyle should be clear.

In '14 you have openly gay ministers with actual congregations all over the western world. You got gay Anglican priests. These christians that try to hold on to their values are actually getting shamed into accepting lifestyles their rewritten holy book rejects holehartedly. These people just tweak their religion to where it suits them instead of changing their behavior to practise the religion.

It'll get to the point where these christians will openly question God's existence, but will reserve the right to be called christian.

When your source isn't clear i.e. a rewritten book, this is what you get. People redifining and tweaking the religion to match their basic desires.

those people are not tweaking a fucking thing they are disobeying the religion but people like isis are actually following the religion of islam. forget what the people do, what does the doctrine of each religion actually say does christinity teach to be gay??? hell no. does islam teach to kill all who oppose you?? hell yes

Also you muslims say that the quran has not been tampered with but that is not true because the quran we have today is not even the complete one. originally the quran was passed around orally by the first muslims but there was a battle and many of the muslims who memorized the quran died and certain verse were lost.

muhammad himself used to forget shit the so called prophet of god had a bad memory

Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Bk. 61, No 558 Narrated Aisha: Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Quran at night, and said, May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.

 

[Muhannad]

The fact they haven't changed with the times might mean they're the one true religion.

I never understood how the Word of God changes as society becomes more excepting. If 3000 years ago God said to cover your bitch up or that gluttony is a sin, that should be that.

But hoes asses started getting fat & food became so abundant that all that shit was put to the side.

I was done with this thread but this is true. You see how other religions such as christianity change with times. Like take homosexuality. Christians also have Sodom and Gomorrah and the story of the prophet Lut in their scriptures. Christianity's take on that gay lifestyle should be clear.

In '14 you have openly gay ministers with actual congregations all over the western world. You got gay Anglican priests. These christians that try to hold on to their values are actually getting shamed into accepting lifestyles their rewritten holy book rejects holehartedly. These people just tweak their religion to where it suits them instead of changing their behavior to practise the religion.

It'll get to the point where these christians will openly question God's existence, but will reserve the right to be called christian.

When your source isn't clear i.e. a rewritten book, this is what you get. People redifining and tweaking the religion to match their basic desires.

those people are not tweaking a fucking thing they are disobeying the religion but people like isis are actually following the religion of islam. forget what the people do, what does the doctrine of each religion actually say does christinity teach to be gay??? hell no. does islam teach to kill all who oppose you?? hell yes

Also you muslims say that the quran has not been tampered with but that is not true because the quran we have today is not even the complete one. originally the quran was passed around orally by the first muslims but there was a battle and many of the muslims who memorized the quran died and certain verse were lost.

muhammad himself used to forget shit the so called prophet of god had a bad memory

Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Bk. 61, No 558 Narrated Aisha: Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Quran at night, and said, May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.

Before I respond to this I gotta ask you a question. Do you read and understand fos7aa Arabic? I see you quoting translated texts throughout this thread, but I need to know this.

 

[zombie]

The fact they haven't changed with the times might mean they're the one true religion.

I never understood how the Word of God changes as society becomes more excepting. If 3000 years ago God said to cover your bitch up or that gluttony is a sin, that should be that.

But hoes asses started getting fat & food became so abundant that all that shit was put to the side.

I was done with this thread but this is true. You see how other religions such as christianity change with times. Like take homosexuality. Christians also have Sodom and Gomorrah and the story of the prophet Lut in their scriptures. Christianity's take on that gay lifestyle should be clear.

In '14 you have openly gay ministers with actual congregations all over the western world. You got gay Anglican priests. These christians that try to hold on to their values are actually getting shamed into accepting lifestyles their rewritten holy book rejects holehartedly. These people just tweak their religion to where it suits them instead of changing their behavior to practise the religion.

It'll get to the point where these christians will openly question God's existence, but will reserve the right to be called christian.

When your source isn't clear i.e. a rewritten book, this is what you get. People redifining and tweaking the religion to match their basic desires.

those people are not tweaking a fucking thing they are disobeying the religion but people like isis are actually following the religion of islam. forget what the people do, what does the doctrine of each religion actually say does christinity teach to be gay??? hell no. does islam teach to kill all who oppose you?? hell yes

Also you muslims say that the quran has not been tampered with but that is not true because the quran we have today is not even the complete one. originally the quran was passed around orally by the first muslims but there was a battle and many of the muslims who memorized the quran died and certain verse were lost.

muhammad himself used to forget shit the so called prophet of god had a bad memory

Sahih Bukhari Vol.6, Bk. 61, No 558 Narrated Aisha: Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Quran at night, and said, May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.

Before I respond to this I gotta ask you a question. Do you read and understand fos7aa Arabic? I see you quoting translated texts throughout this thread, but I need to know this.

I know people who can speak arabic .

former muslims

 

[PILL_COSBY]

The fact they haven't changed with the times might mean they're the one true religion.

I never understood how the Word of God changes as society becomes more excepting. If 3000 years ago God said to cover your bitch up or that gluttony is a sin, that should be that.

But hoes asses started getting fat & food became so abundant that all that shit was put to the side.

I was done with this thread but this is true. You see how other religions such as christianity change with times. Like take homosexuality. Christians also have Sodom and Gomorrah and the story of the prophet Lut in their scriptures. Christianity's take on that gay lifestyle should be clear.

In '14 you have openly gay ministers with actual congregations all over the western world. You got gay Anglican priests. These christians that try to hold on to their values are actually getting shamed into accepting lifestyles their rewritten holy book rejects holehartedly. These people just tweak their religion to where it suits them instead of changing their behavior to practise the religion.

It'll get to the point where these christians will openly question God's existence, but will reserve the right to be called christian.

When your source isn't clear i.e. a rewritten book, this is what you get. People redifining and tweaking the religion to match their basic desires.

How do you feel about pedophiles and women being treated like 2nd class citizens/unfairly?

 

[Muhannad]

there is no such thing as an extremist muslim like i have been saying from the very fucking start of this thread groups like isis are simply doing what the prophet and his companions did. Muhammand literally ordered the death OF people and stole his daughter in law from his son compare that to the actions and lifestyle of jesus.

islam and christianity are not on the same wavelength at all.

non-sense

Muhammad wrote an open letter, ordering that christians and jews have the right to freely practice their religions/build their temples within islamic societies.

Groups like IS and AQ totally ignore Mohammads teachings of religious and spiritual tolerance and mass murder Christians in Iraq.

How is that not being extreme?

Youre problem is that you dont realize that the hadith/traditions, much like the talmud, have very little to do with the koran amd even less with mohammad, there are literally thousands of hadith books out there, written in different eras by different priests(under the command of different rulers) hence why they contradict the shit putta eachother.

Determining the authenticity of Hadith is an actual science. I'm under the impression that some of these guys doing the most talking in this thread are just googling texts they take out of context to support their nonexistant points.

I wouldn't even be surprised if some of them didn't read Arabic.

 

[PILL_COSBY]

there is no such thing as an extremist muslim like i have been saying from the very fucking start of this thread groups like isis are simply doing what the prophet and his companions did. Muhammand literally ordered the death OF people and stole his daughter in law from his son compare that to the actions and lifestyle of jesus.

islam and christianity are not on the same wavelength at all.

non-sense

Muhammad wrote an open letter, ordering that christians and jews have the right to freely practice their religions/build their temples within islamic societies.

Groups like IS and AQ totally ignore Mohammads teachings of religious and spiritual tolerance and mass murder Christians in Iraq.

How is that not being extreme?

Youre problem is that you dont realize that the hadith/traditions, much like the talmud, have very little to do with the koran amd even less with mohammad, there are literally thousands of hadith books out there, written in different eras by different priests(under the command of different rulers) hence why they contradict the shit putta eachother.

Determining the authenticity of Hadith is an actual science. I'm under the impression that some of these guys doing the most talking in this thread are just googling texts they take out of context to support their nonexistant points.

I wouldn't even be surprised if some of them didn't read Arabic.

 

[Splackavelli]

Shot out to that catholic priest who publicly called out the mob and denounced them on national t.v. He actually gathered up thousands of people with cameras everywhere and told the mob "you are not welcome and we rebuke you".

I HIGHLY DOUBT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL HAPPEN IN ISLAM

yeah real nice of 'em though i'm willing to bet that the catholic church wouldn't want anyone to run through their closets and unearth their skeleton. literal skeletons at that. the Vatican has commited so many atrocities pedophilia is just the tip of the iceberg.