Why We Must Destroy and Rebuild Exhibit A#... KRS vs PM Dawn ( told by Kool Kim)

[SneakDZA]

If you look at By All Means Necessary…that record “Stop The Violence” – everybody points to that, but on that same album on “My Philosophy”, he says “KRS-One is just the guy to lead a crew/right up to your face and diss you!” That’s there in clear English! No one hears that part, they just hear “stop the violence”, so if he takes a run-up with a crew they gonna say “Where that come from? He’s not like that!” when he’s tellin’ you “Yeah, I am!”

it seems like he would have been a hypocrite if he didn't ever mash somebody off the stage.

 

[judahxulu]

If you look at By All Means Necessary…that record “Stop The Violence” – everybody points to that, but on that same album on “My Philosophy”, he says “KRS-One is just the guy to lead a crew/right up to your face and diss you!” That’s there in clear English! No one hears that part, they just hear “stop the violence”, so if he takes a run-up with a crew they gonna say “Where that come from? He’s not like that!” when he’s tellin’ you “Yeah, I am!”

it seems like he would have been a hypocrite if he didn't ever mash somebody off the stage.

he only did that to the one dude he knew couldnt or wouldnt do shit back.. do your research.

 

[SneakDZA]

If you look at By All Means Necessary…that record “Stop The Violence” – everybody points to that, but on that same album on “My Philosophy”, he says “KRS-One is just the guy to lead a crew/right up to your face and diss you!” That’s there in clear English! No one hears that part, they just hear “stop the violence”, so if he takes a run-up with a crew they gonna say “Where that come from? He’s not like that!” when he’s tellin’ you “Yeah, I am!”

it seems like he would have been a hypocrite if he didn't ever mash somebody off the stage.

he only did that to the one dude he knew couldnt or wouldnt do shit back.. do your research.

i'm not sure how that makes him a hypocrite though. he's supposed to bumrush everybody's stage or put himself in a situation where it's gonna be a fight or gunplay?

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

If you look at By All Means Necessary…that record “Stop The Violence” – everybody points to that, but on that same album on “My Philosophy”, he says “KRS-One is just the guy to lead a crew/right up to your face and diss you!” That’s there in clear English! No one hears that part, they just hear “stop the violence”, so if he takes a run-up with a crew they gonna say “Where that come from? He’s not like that!” when he’s tellin’ you “Yeah, I am!”

it seems like he would have been a hypocrite if he didn't ever mash somebody off the stage.

he only did that to the one dude he knew couldnt or wouldnt do shit back.. do your research.

i'm not sure how that makes him a hypocrite though. he's supposed to bumrush everybody's stage or put himself in a situation where it's gonna be a fight or gunplay?

In all honesty this is just one huge incident displaying the hypocrisy of Krs and the Culture in general. I do not believe the point is to go over his every fallacy and contradiction as I know for a fact more can be listed that are not as prevalent but just as relevant as this one. As one of the elder statesmen in the game that has claimed the title of Teacher in our culture he has to be held accountable to his own words and actions on many levels. To me this thread based on teh title is the beginning of a bigger lesson in the hopes that through reflection and true critical thinking we can begin to reassert and correct some of the problems that elder statesmen Like Krs talk about while acknowledging that they in a lot of cases created/contributed to those same issues...

 

[melanated khemist]

If you look at By All Means Necessary…that record “Stop The Violence” – everybody points to that, but on that same album on “My Philosophy”, he says “KRS-One is just the guy to lead a crew/right up to your face and diss you!” That’s there in clear English! No one hears that part, they just hear “stop the violence”, so if he takes a run-up with a crew they gonna say “Where that come from? He’s not like that!” when he’s tellin’ you “Yeah, I am!”

it seems like he would have been a hypocrite if he didn't ever mash somebody off the stage.

he only did that to the one dude he knew couldnt or wouldnt do shit back.. do your research.

i'm not sure how that makes him a hypocrite though. he's supposed to bumrush everybody's stage or put himself in a situation where it's gonna be a fight or gunplay?

In all honesty this is just one huge incident displaying the hypocrisy of Krs and the Culture in general. I do not believe the point is to go over his every fallacy and contradiction as I know for a fact more can be listed that are not as prevalent but just as relevant as this one. As one of the elder statesmen in the game that has claimed the title of Teacher in our culture he has to be held accountable to his own words and actions on many levels. To me this thread based on teh title is the beginning of a bigger lesson in the hopes that through reflection and true critical thinking we can begin to reassert and correct some of the problems that elder statesmen Like Krs talk about while acknowledging that they in a lot of cases created/contributed to those same issues...

BINGO!

 

[SneakDZA]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

 

[5 Grand]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

Well we could bring up 2Pac's hypocrisy but it would take up another 10 pages.

 

[judahxulu]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

nigga the title states EXHIBIT A...meaning theres more non-KRS related stuff to come. Nobody is building the case for YOU individually though. Its bigger than me, you or hip-hop. You can easily google a phrase like " KRS hypocrite" and a million and one things will pop up and point you towards any sources over the years or observations that cant be denied due to lyrical content vs philosophy vs actual life. and the main theme is explicitly identified as a general renovation meaning there is a constructive end to all this- by design - by MY blueprint. Where are your reading comprehension skills? Did you lose them the same place you lost objectivity?

 

[SneakDZA]

i never pretended to be objective. i'm a krs-one fan and also a pushing a wack rapper off the stage fan and i felt like this thread was bullshit from the start.

what's exhibit b gonna be? krs never had 100 guns and 200 clips?


the thread title betrays your real motives which is that you're butthurt that krs ripped x-clan a new one on this joint.

 

[judahxulu]

i never pretended to be objective. i'm a krs-one fan and also a pushing a wack rapper off the stage fan and i felt like this thread was bullshit from the start.

what's exhibit b gonna be? krs never had 100 guns and 200 clips?


the thread title betrays your real motives which is that you're butthurt that krs ripped x-clan a new one on this joint.

fuck how you feel, fanboy. i got an exhibit for your kind ( the rap religionist/stupid consumer).... but much later. exhibit b has nothing to do with your surrogate father kris.

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

If you look at By All Means Necessary…that record “Stop The Violence” – everybody points to that, but on that same album on “My Philosophy”, he says “KRS-One is just the guy to lead a crew/right up to your face and diss you!” That’s there in clear English! No one hears that part, they just hear “stop the violence”, so if he takes a run-up with a crew they gonna say “Where that come from? He’s not like that!” when he’s tellin’ you “Yeah, I am!”

it seems like he would have been a hypocrite if he didn't ever mash somebody off the stage.

he only did that to the one dude he knew couldnt or wouldnt do shit back.. do your research.

i'm not sure how that makes him a hypocrite though. he's supposed to bumrush everybody's stage or put himself in a situation where it's gonna be a fight or gunplay?

In all honesty this is just one huge incident displaying the hypocrisy of Krs and the Culture in general. I do not believe the point is to go over his every fallacy and contradiction as I know for a fact more can be listed that are not as prevalent but just as relevant as this one. As one of the elder statesmen in the game that has claimed the title of Teacher in our culture he has to be held accountable to his own words and actions on many levels. To me this thread based on teh title is the beginning of a bigger lesson in the hopes that through reflection and true critical thinking we can begin to reassert and correct some of the problems that elder statesmen Like Krs talk about while acknowledging that they in a lot of cases created/contributed to those same issues...

BINGO!

now if only more people can acknowledge that and truly evaluate their positions on the topic setting aside their fandom for individuals. HipHop is part of a bigger culture what that culture is going to be is the crux point...

 

[zombie]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

nigga the title states EXHIBIT A...meaning theres more non-KRS related stuff to come. Nobody is building the case for YOU individually though. Its bigger than me, you or hip-hop. You can easily google a phrase like " KRS hypocrite" and a million and one things will pop up and point you towards any sources over the years or observations that cant be denied due to lyrical content vs philosophy vs actual life. and the main theme is explicitly identified as a general renovation meaning there is a constructive end to all this- by design - by MY blueprint. Where are your reading comprehension skills? Did you lose them the same place you lost objectivity?

This thread was made a long time ago where the fuck is EXHIBIT B and please make a stronger point because EXHIBIT A was weak

 

[5 Grand]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

nigga the title states EXHIBIT A...meaning theres more non-KRS related stuff to come. Nobody is building the case for YOU individually though. Its bigger than me, you or hip-hop. You can easily google a phrase like " KRS hypocrite" and a million and one things will pop up and point you towards any sources over the years or observations that cant be denied due to lyrical content vs philosophy vs actual life. and the main theme is explicitly identified as a general renovation meaning there is a constructive end to all this- by design - by MY blueprint. Where are your reading comprehension skills? Did you lose them the same place you lost objectivity?

This thread was made a long time ago where the fuck is EXHIBIT B and please make a stronger point because EXHIBIT A was weak

Yeah, I'm interested in whatever exhibit B might be.

 

[zombie]

Wow @herbalism101... Dope drop.

I believe in this culture you gotta deal with dualities of different identities anyway. Tupac, Nas are prime examples.

a dualistic mindstate is dysfunctional tho. its called cognitive dissonance.

Well...that's just about....give or take... 85-90% of the artists in this game.

and it aint they fault... mostly. its some dysfunction got passed after the civil rights era to the pioneer generation and the industrialization of rap arrested the development of hip hop thus you have emotionally, mentally and socially immature rappers whose content, allbeit some are well-meaning disperses and duplicates this mindstate to varying degrees depending on the listener and the level of civilization to the artists .

i think the ability to be in that 15-10% margin you mentioned is what should separate the emcees from the rappers and the professionals from the amateurs. the art in and of itself is from noble origins- a revered profession and held to be beneficial to the people the griots were part of. they were paid according to how what they spit enriched the people. a big part of the griot tradition was storytelling poems/songs, educational ones and ones telling the history and current events of the tribe. this enhanced their culture. its sacred. i dont care what cats say... a pm dawn would be more in line with that than a krs one. look how the aggression and violence is literally consuming generation after generation. i welcome fucking hippies. its all energy in the end. energy filtered through cognitive dissonance can only create dischord in the ends. emcees are the real life fucking book of eli but every body got they own book, shit need to be taken seriously like that. if a rapper gone teach then live that breathe that. if not dont go claiming u the essence and foundation cuz studies have shown they aint about that life

rap is too fucking powerful to only be governed by money and a fabricated image/"character"... thats why its so destructive to the bearers of that power off they square. dont nobody die, get shot and locked up more than rappers out of any other genre ever existed. its been around long enough and niggas been in the public eye so we can connect the dots betwwen the things they say and do and the ripple effect of tragedy befalling them...

and its not seen because tied in with that cognitive dissonance is a narcissistic complex that rap got stuck at.. if people consider hiphop a culture or themselves hip hop they are highly vulnerable to being influenced by that narcissistic mode..

It's feminine energy hip-hop should stay masculine it just needs to mature hippy dipppy half of a faggot music/energy is not wanted in hiphop. hip-hop has always been connected to the streets and will stay that way, Rap is not like any other music so don't expect it to be, it's artist are from very bad places and some of that negativity will come out in the music.

Krs-1 is teaching his philosophy but it seems you don't want to understand that

 

[judahxulu]

Wow @herbalism101... Dope drop.

I believe in this culture you gotta deal with dualities of different identities anyway. Tupac, Nas are prime examples.

a dualistic mindstate is dysfunctional tho. its called cognitive dissonance.

Well...that's just about....give or take... 85-90% of the artists in this game.

and it aint they fault... mostly. its some dysfunction got passed after the civil rights era to the pioneer generation and the industrialization of rap arrested the development of hip hop thus you have emotionally, mentally and socially immature rappers whose content, allbeit some are well-meaning disperses and duplicates this mindstate to varying degrees depending on the listener and the level of civilization to the artists .

i think the ability to be in that 15-10% margin you mentioned is what should separate the emcees from the rappers and the professionals from the amateurs. the art in and of itself is from noble origins- a revered profession and held to be beneficial to the people the griots were part of. they were paid according to how what they spit enriched the people. a big part of the griot tradition was storytelling poems/songs, educational ones and ones telling the history and current events of the tribe. this enhanced their culture. its sacred. i dont care what cats say... a pm dawn would be more in line with that than a krs one. look how the aggression and violence is literally consuming generation after generation. i welcome fucking hippies. its all energy in the end. energy filtered through cognitive dissonance can only create dischord in the ends. emcees are the real life fucking book of eli but every body got they own book, shit need to be taken seriously like that. if a rapper gone teach then live that breathe that. if not dont go claiming u the essence and foundation cuz studies have shown they aint about that life

rap is too fucking powerful to only be governed by money and a fabricated image/"character"... thats why its so destructive to the bearers of that power off they square. dont nobody die, get shot and locked up more than rappers out of any other genre ever existed. its been around long enough and niggas been in the public eye so we can connect the dots betwwen the things they say and do and the ripple effect of tragedy befalling them...

and its not seen because tied in with that cognitive dissonance is a narcissistic complex that rap got stuck at.. if people consider hiphop a culture or themselves hip hop they are highly vulnerable to being influenced by that narcissistic mode..

It's feminine energy hip-hop should stay masculine it just needs to mature hippy dipppy half of a faggot music/energy is not wanted in hiphop. hip-hop has always been connected to the streets and will stay that way, Rap is not like any other music so don't expect it to be, it's artist are from very bad places and some of that negativity will come out in the music.

Krs-1 is teaching his philosophy but it seems you don't want to understand that

being peaceful is feminine? the nigga came out with songs about CHICKS.. HETEROSEXUAL POP LOVE RAPS. De La Soul had daisies and shit on their album cover. Are they feminine? Yet ASAP Rocky and all these niggas running around with skinny jean yeast infections are cool? Nigga you gay. Its ALLWAYS been feminine energy in the mix. WHat kind of straight male wants to just wallow in FALSE ass masculinity. That street shit is not masculine nigga. Thats a bunch of homotional niggas with a hyper masculine coping mechanism made from having an absentee father. A bunch of niggas with the emotional profile of women and pistols with a handful of genuine sociopaths thrown in the mix. Im from a very bad place muthafucka. You cant talk that street shit to me..nigga I was homeless in the streets at 11 robbing muthafuckas to eat...literally. Brains been spilled on me b4 I was double digits. Thats why I make music and do things that are totally the opposite of the ugly death and violence I had to grow up with. Theres no fucking honor in wallowing in that shit. Music is music. Its either good or bad.

 

[zombie]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

nigga the title states EXHIBIT A...meaning theres more non-KRS related stuff to come. Nobody is building the case for YOU individually though. Its bigger than me, you or hip-hop. You can easily google a phrase like " KRS hypocrite" and a million and one things will pop up and point you towards any sources over the years or observations that cant be denied due to lyrical content vs philosophy vs actual life. and the main theme is explicitly identified as a general renovation meaning there is a constructive end to all this- by design - by MY blueprint. Where are your reading comprehension skills? Did you lose them the same place you lost objectivity?

This thread was made a long time ago where the fuck is EXHIBIT B and please make a stronger point because EXHIBIT A was weak

Yeah, I'm interested in whatever exhibit B might be.

This whole argument is weak, and it would not surprise me if he never makes exhibit b.

Out of all the people in hip-hop to "destroy" he chooses krs-1 not the real fakes like ONYX, or the real misogynist like LUKE or the fake gangsters like dr.dre. HE has put forth no proof that krs is a hypocrite did krs make a mistake by slapping pm dawn sure. but that one action does not quality the man as being a hypocrite.

 

[judahxulu]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

nigga the title states EXHIBIT A...meaning theres more non-KRS related stuff to come. Nobody is building the case for YOU individually though. Its bigger than me, you or hip-hop. You can easily google a phrase like " KRS hypocrite" and a million and one things will pop up and point you towards any sources over the years or observations that cant be denied due to lyrical content vs philosophy vs actual life. and the main theme is explicitly identified as a general renovation meaning there is a constructive end to all this- by design - by MY blueprint. Where are your reading comprehension skills? Did you lose them the same place you lost objectivity?

This thread was made a long time ago where the fuck is EXHIBIT B and please make a stronger point because EXHIBIT A was weak

Yeah, I'm interested in whatever exhibit B might be.

This whole argument is weak, and it would not surprise me if he never makes exhibit b.

Out of all the people in hip-hop to "destroy" he chooses krs-1 not the real fakes like ONYX, or the real misogynist like LUKE or the fake gangsters like dr.dre. HE has put forth no proof that krs is a hypocrite did krs make a mistake by slapping pm dawn sure. but that one action does not quality the man as being a hypocrite.

Youre in denial. Exhibit B is right there fag. KRS free... (except for big homie mentioning him as a sidenote)

 

[zombie]

Wow @herbalism101... Dope drop.

I believe in this culture you gotta deal with dualities of different identities anyway. Tupac, Nas are prime examples.

a dualistic mindstate is dysfunctional tho. its called cognitive dissonance.

Well...that's just about....give or take... 85-90% of the artists in this game.

and it aint they fault... mostly. its some dysfunction got passed after the civil rights era to the pioneer generation and the industrialization of rap arrested the development of hip hop thus you have emotionally, mentally and socially immature rappers whose content, allbeit some are well-meaning disperses and duplicates this mindstate to varying degrees depending on the listener and the level of civilization to the artists .

i think the ability to be in that 15-10% margin you mentioned is what should separate the emcees from the rappers and the professionals from the amateurs. the art in and of itself is from noble origins- a revered profession and held to be beneficial to the people the griots were part of. they were paid according to how what they spit enriched the people. a big part of the griot tradition was storytelling poems/songs, educational ones and ones telling the history and current events of the tribe. this enhanced their culture. its sacred. i dont care what cats say... a pm dawn would be more in line with that than a krs one. look how the aggression and violence is literally consuming generation after generation. i welcome fucking hippies. its all energy in the end. energy filtered through cognitive dissonance can only create dischord in the ends. emcees are the real life fucking book of eli but every body got they own book, shit need to be taken seriously like that. if a rapper gone teach then live that breathe that. if not dont go claiming u the essence and foundation cuz studies have shown they aint about that life

rap is too fucking powerful to only be governed by money and a fabricated image/"character"... thats why its so destructive to the bearers of that power off they square. dont nobody die, get shot and locked up more than rappers out of any other genre ever existed. its been around long enough and niggas been in the public eye so we can connect the dots betwwen the things they say and do and the ripple effect of tragedy befalling them...

and its not seen because tied in with that cognitive dissonance is a narcissistic complex that rap got stuck at.. if people consider hiphop a culture or themselves hip hop they are highly vulnerable to being influenced by that narcissistic mode..

It's feminine energy hip-hop should stay masculine it just needs to mature hippy dipppy half of a faggot music/energy is not wanted in hiphop. hip-hop has always been connected to the streets and will stay that way, Rap is not like any other music so don't expect it to be, it's artist are from very bad places and some of that negativity will come out in the music.

Krs-1 is teaching his philosophy but it seems you don't want to understand that

being peaceful is feminine? the nigga came out with songs about CHICKS.. HETEROSEXUAL POP LOVE RAPS. De La Soul had daisies and shit on their album cover. Are they feminine? Yet ASAP Rocky and all these niggas running around with skinny jean yeast infections are cool? Nigga you gay. Its ALLWAYS been feminine energy in the mix. WHat kind of straight male wants to just wallow in FALSE ass masculinity. That street shit is not masculine nigga. Thats a bunch of homotional niggas with a hyper masculine coping mechanism made from having an absentee father. A bunch of niggas with the emotional profile of women and pistols with a handful of genuine sociopaths thrown in the mix. Im from a very bad place muthafucka. You cant talk that street shit to me..nigga I was homeless in the streets at 11 robbing muthafuckas to eat...literally. Brains been spilled on me b4 I was double digits. Thats why I make music and do things that are totally the opposite of the ugly death and violence I had to grow up with. Theres no fucking honor in wallowing in that shit. Music is music. Its either good or bad.

All them niggas are suspect to me from de la soul to asap rocky. I reject your deposit. the general spirit of hip-hop needs to be masculine not saying we can't have soft music but any sound resembling pm dawn is going overboard.

I never said the street shit was masculine i said it was always part of hiphop and that hip-hop needs to mature, not turn into hippy music so learn to fucking read.

 

[zombie]

ok if it's not just about krs or the pm dawn incident (although the o/p and title suggest otherwise) let's see some other examples of this hypocrisy we're talking about.

otherwise this is just yet another not-so thinly veiled krs hate thread.

nigga the title states EXHIBIT A...meaning theres more non-KRS related stuff to come. Nobody is building the case for YOU individually though. Its bigger than me, you or hip-hop. You can easily google a phrase like " KRS hypocrite" and a million and one things will pop up and point you towards any sources over the years or observations that cant be denied due to lyrical content vs philosophy vs actual life. and the main theme is explicitly identified as a general renovation meaning there is a constructive end to all this- by design - by MY blueprint. Where are your reading comprehension skills? Did you lose them the same place you lost objectivity?

This thread was made a long time ago where the fuck is EXHIBIT B and please make a stronger point because EXHIBIT A was weak

Yeah, I'm interested in whatever exhibit B might be.

This whole argument is weak, and it would not surprise me if he never makes exhibit b.

Out of all the people in hip-hop to "destroy" he chooses krs-1 not the real fakes like ONYX, or the real misogynist like LUKE or the fake gangsters like dr.dre. HE has put forth no proof that krs is a hypocrite did krs make a mistake by slapping pm dawn sure. but that one action does not quality the man as being a hypocrite.

Youre in denial. Exhibit B is right there fag. KRS free... (except for big homie mentioning him as a sidenote)

You got your feelings all over the fucking place nigga

YOU have made no exhibit b. The shit is like detox. Hurry the fuck up and make a thread about it.

 

[zombie]

i never pretended to be objective. i'm a krs-one fan and also a pushing a wack rapper off the stage fan and i felt like this thread was bullshit from the start.

what's exhibit b gonna be? krs never had 100 guns and 200 clips?


the thread title betrays your real motives which is that you're butthurt that krs ripped x-clan a new one on this joint.

co-sign this nigga knows someone krs-1 had beef with and that's why he made this bullshit thread