Why We Must Destroy and Rebuild Exhibit A#... KRS vs PM Dawn ( told by Kool Kim)

[judahxulu]

Damn this shit again... let this shit go....T/S is a 85er....lol

if i was then id be deaf dumb and blind worshipping rap idols. i dont suckle 10% teat like yall, g.

 

[judahxulu]

i get what the premise is that as the mythical status applied to krs one he falls short...reading both of the titangraph posts it seems that they said that krs was a self professed "humanist" but by rushing the stage and debo'ing the stage that flies in contrast to those teachings personally i dont like humanists but it seems that he picked and chose his battles although what he did was fucked up in hindsight it seems like that was one of those in the moment things

the larger point is... if we can question the mythical status of krs one then how far does that go? what kind of seed were planted? dont nobody like the crop of today but fail to overstand that everything that is exists in a never ending chain of cause and effect. we cant say the origins of the problem are with the "new niggas". why? krs one and other people were moaning about the same shit in the damn 80s!! so what are the inherent problems at the root?

blind devotion to the gatekeepers is what blocks the path of correction.

hip-hop can go no higher than its heroes and if those heroes heights are fals then aint no getting higher at all....

the proof is in the pudding..

 

[zombie]

i get what the premise is that as the mythical status applied to krs one he falls short...reading both of the titangraph posts it seems that they said that krs was a self professed "humanist" but by rushing the stage and debo'ing the stage that flies in contrast to those teachings personally i dont like humanists but it seems that he picked and chose his battles although what he did was fucked up in hindsight it seems like that was one of those in the moment things

the larger point is... if we can question the mythical status of krs one then how far does that go? what kind of seed were planted? dont nobody like the crop of today but fail to overstand that everything that is exists in a never ending chain of cause and effect. we cant say the origins of the problem are with the "new niggas". why? krs one and other people were moaning about the same shit in the damn 80s!! so what are the inherent problems at the root?

blind devotion to the gatekeepers is what blocks the path of correction.

hip-hop can go no higher than its heroes and if those heroes heights are fals then aint no getting higher at all....

the proof is in the pudding..

This is the fucking bullshit i am talking about. what mythical status? most young guys don't listen to krs no one is devoted to him and krs-1 music is not the inspiration for the fuckery that we hear today if it was the music would be much better.

your whole premise is bullshit and is based one a lie so Stop using krs as an example for the point you are trying to make.

There are more people devoted to kool g rap, ice-t and dr dre than krs.

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

fazeem where is that scripture you quoted

@redhandedbandit Mostly from Psalms but also from Deuteronomy...

 

[judahxulu]

i get what the premise is that as the mythical status applied to krs one he falls short...reading both of the titangraph posts it seems that they said that krs was a self professed "humanist" but by rushing the stage and debo'ing the stage that flies in contrast to those teachings personally i dont like humanists but it seems that he picked and chose his battles although what he did was fucked up in hindsight it seems like that was one of those in the moment things

the larger point is... if we can question the mythical status of krs one then how far does that go? what kind of seed were planted? dont nobody like the crop of today but fail to overstand that everything that is exists in a never ending chain of cause and effect. we cant say the origins of the problem are with the "new niggas". why? krs one and other people were moaning about the same shit in the damn 80s!! so what are the inherent problems at the root?

blind devotion to the gatekeepers is what blocks the path of correction.

hip-hop can go no higher than its heroes and if those heroes heights are fals then aint no getting higher at all....

the proof is in the pudding..

This is the fucking bullshit i am talking about. what mythical status? most young guys don't listen to krs no one is devoted to him and krs-1 music is not the inspiration for the fuckery that we hear today if it was the music would be much better.

your whole premise is bullshit and is based one a lie so Stop using krs as an example for the point you are trying to make.

There are more people devoted to kool g rap, ice-t and dr dre than krs.

where do you miss the point that krs one and this story is AN EXAMPLE. a case study of a LARGER PROBLEM. Hence the thread title EXHIBIT A you jackass! you kept bumping it so i figured id wait till i went platinum to begin EXHIBIT B.

look how emotional you are. like an old southern handkerchief head nigga if u critique his white jesus paining in the front room.

we need to fly you to nigeria and get them pussy lips clipped. you acting like a lil ol bitch right bout now, kane....

 

[zombie]

i get what the premise is that as the mythical status applied to krs one he falls short...reading both of the titangraph posts it seems that they said that krs was a self professed "humanist" but by rushing the stage and debo'ing the stage that flies in contrast to those teachings personally i dont like humanists but it seems that he picked and chose his battles although what he did was fucked up in hindsight it seems like that was one of those in the moment things

the larger point is... if we can question the mythical status of krs one then how far does that go? what kind of seed were planted? dont nobody like the crop of today but fail to overstand that everything that is exists in a never ending chain of cause and effect. we cant say the origins of the problem are with the "new niggas". why? krs one and other people were moaning about the same shit in the damn 80s!! so what are the inherent problems at the root?

blind devotion to the gatekeepers is what blocks the path of correction.

hip-hop can go no higher than its heroes and if those heroes heights are fals then aint no getting higher at all....

the proof is in the pudding..

This is the fucking bullshit i am talking about. what mythical status? most young guys don't listen to krs no one is devoted to him and krs-1 music is not the inspiration for the fuckery that we hear today if it was the music would be much better.

your whole premise is bullshit and is based one a lie so Stop using krs as an example for the point you are trying to make.

There are more people devoted to kool g rap, ice-t and dr dre than krs.

where do you miss the point that krs one and this story is AN EXAMPLE. a case study of a LARGER PROBLEM. Hence the thread title EXHIBIT A you jackass! you kept bumping it so i figured id wait till i went platinum to begin EXHIBIT B.

look how emotional you are. like an old southern handkerchief head nigga if u critique his white jesus paining in the front room.

we need to fly you to nigeria and get them pussy lips clipped. you acting like a lil ol bitch right bout now, kane....

It's a bad example and bullshit logic. the foundation of your argument is weak. I have family in africa i'll be more comfortable there than you motherfucker.

 

[judahxulu]

i get what the premise is that as the mythical status applied to krs one he falls short...reading both of the titangraph posts it seems that they said that krs was a self professed "humanist" but by rushing the stage and debo'ing the stage that flies in contrast to those teachings personally i dont like humanists but it seems that he picked and chose his battles although what he did was fucked up in hindsight it seems like that was one of those in the moment things

the larger point is... if we can question the mythical status of krs one then how far does that go? what kind of seed were planted? dont nobody like the crop of today but fail to overstand that everything that is exists in a never ending chain of cause and effect. we cant say the origins of the problem are with the "new niggas". why? krs one and other people were moaning about the same shit in the damn 80s!! so what are the inherent problems at the root?

blind devotion to the gatekeepers is what blocks the path of correction.

hip-hop can go no higher than its heroes and if those heroes heights are fals then aint no getting higher at all....

the proof is in the pudding..

This is the fucking bullshit i am talking about. what mythical status? most young guys don't listen to krs no one is devoted to him and krs-1 music is not the inspiration for the fuckery that we hear today if it was the music would be much better.

your whole premise is bullshit and is based one a lie so Stop using krs as an example for the point you are trying to make.

There are more people devoted to kool g rap, ice-t and dr dre than krs.

where do you miss the point that krs one and this story is AN EXAMPLE. a case study of a LARGER PROBLEM. Hence the thread title EXHIBIT A you jackass! you kept bumping it so i figured id wait till i went platinum to begin EXHIBIT B.

look how emotional you are. like an old southern handkerchief head nigga if u critique his white jesus paining in the front room.

we need to fly you to nigeria and get them pussy lips clipped. you acting like a lil ol bitch right bout now, kane....

It's a bad example and bullshit logic. the foundation of your argument is weak. I have family in africa i'll be more comfortable there than you motherfucker.

dummy im trying to get land and a home there. i got family in ghana. cape coast cakin. sweet- o

 

[zombie]

i get what the premise is that as the mythical status applied to krs one he falls short...reading both of the titangraph posts it seems that they said that krs was a self professed "humanist" but by rushing the stage and debo'ing the stage that flies in contrast to those teachings personally i dont like humanists but it seems that he picked and chose his battles although what he did was fucked up in hindsight it seems like that was one of those in the moment things

the larger point is... if we can question the mythical status of krs one then how far does that go? what kind of seed were planted? dont nobody like the crop of today but fail to overstand that everything that is exists in a never ending chain of cause and effect. we cant say the origins of the problem are with the "new niggas". why? krs one and other people were moaning about the same shit in the damn 80s!! so what are the inherent problems at the root?

blind devotion to the gatekeepers is what blocks the path of correction.

hip-hop can go no higher than its heroes and if those heroes heights are fals then aint no getting higher at all....

the proof is in the pudding..

This is the fucking bullshit i am talking about. what mythical status? most young guys don't listen to krs no one is devoted to him and krs-1 music is not the inspiration for the fuckery that we hear today if it was the music would be much better.

your whole premise is bullshit and is based one a lie so Stop using krs as an example for the point you are trying to make.

There are more people devoted to kool g rap, ice-t and dr dre than krs.

where do you miss the point that krs one and this story is AN EXAMPLE. a case study of a LARGER PROBLEM. Hence the thread title EXHIBIT A you jackass! you kept bumping it so i figured id wait till i went platinum to begin EXHIBIT B.

look how emotional you are. like an old southern handkerchief head nigga if u critique his white jesus paining in the front room.

we need to fly you to nigeria and get them pussy lips clipped. you acting like a lil ol bitch right bout now, kane....

It's a bad example and bullshit logic. the foundation of your argument is weak. I have family in africa i'll be more comfortable there than you motherfucker.

dummy im trying to get land and a home there. i got family in ghana. cape coast cakin. sweet- o

That is a wonderful thing brother but you are still wrong about krs-1

 

[G.Avant]

Still trying to find out how KRS One is a hypocrite.........

That article you posted actually builds on @judahxulu point though. Dude got frustrated because he kept being picked on and then didn't decide to take any action until PM Dawn got involved. Kenny Parker basically called the man a hypocrite his self.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Wow @herbalism101... Dope drop.

I believe in this culture you gotta deal with dualities of different identities anyway. Tupac, Nas are prime examples.

a dualistic mindstate is dysfunctional tho. its called cognitive dissonance.

Well...that's just about....give or take... 85-90% of the artists in this game.

 

[judahxulu]

Wow @herbalism101... Dope drop.

I believe in this culture you gotta deal with dualities of different identities anyway. Tupac, Nas are prime examples.

a dualistic mindstate is dysfunctional tho. its called cognitive dissonance.

Well...that's just about....give or take... 85-90% of the artists in this game.

and it aint they fault... mostly. its some dysfunction got passed after the civil rights era to the pioneer generation and the industrialization of rap arrested the development of hip hop thus you have emotionally, mentally and socially immature rappers whose content, allbeit some are well-meaning disperses and duplicates this mindstate to varying degrees depending on the listener and the level of civilization to the artists .

i think the ability to be in that 15-10% margin you mentioned is what should separate the emcees from the rappers and the professionals from the amateurs. the art in and of itself is from noble origins- a revered profession and held to be beneficial to the people the griots were part of. they were paid according to how what they spit enriched the people. a big part of the griot tradition was storytelling poems/songs, educational ones and ones telling the history and current events of the tribe. this enhanced their culture. its sacred. i dont care what cats say... a pm dawn would be more in line with that than a krs one. look how the aggression and violence is literally consuming generation after generation. i welcome fucking hippies. its all energy in the end. energy filtered through cognitive dissonance can only create dischord in the ends. emcees are the real life fucking book of eli but every body got they own book, shit need to be taken seriously like that. if a rapper gone teach then live that breathe that. if not dont go claiming u the essence and foundation cuz studies have shown they aint about that life

rap is too fucking powerful to only be governed by money and a fabricated image/"character"... thats why its so destructive to the bearers of that power off they square. dont nobody die, get shot and locked up more than rappers out of any other genre ever existed. its been around long enough and niggas been in the public eye so we can connect the dots betwwen the things they say and do and the ripple effect of tragedy befalling them...

and its not seen because tied in with that cognitive dissonance is a narcissistic complex that rap got stuck at.. if people consider hiphop a culture or themselves hip hop they are highly vulnerable to being influenced by that narcissistic mode..

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

Wow @herbalism101... Dope drop.

I believe in this culture you gotta deal with dualities of different identities anyway. Tupac, Nas are prime examples.

a dualistic mindstate is dysfunctional tho. its called cognitive dissonance.

Well...that's just about....give or take... 85-90% of the artists in this game.

and it aint they fault... mostly. its some dysfunction got passed after the civil rights era to the pioneer generation and the industrialization of rap arrested the development of hip hop thus you have emotionally, mentally and socially immature rappers whose content, allbeit some are well-meaning disperses and duplicates this mindstate to varying degrees depending on the listener and the level of civilization to the artists .

i think the ability to be in that 15-10% margin you mentioned is what should separate the emcees from the rappers and the professionals from the amateurs. the art in and of itself is from noble origins- a revered profession and held to be beneficial to the people the griots were part of. they were paid according to how what they spit enriched the people. a big part of the griot tradition was storytelling poems/songs, educational ones and ones telling the history and current events of the tribe. this enhanced their culture. its sacred. i dont care what cats say... a pm dawn would be more in line with that than a krs one. look how the aggression and violence is literally consuming generation after generation. i welcome fucking hippies. its all energy in the end. energy filtered through cognitive dissonance can only create dischord in the ends. emcees are the real life fucking book of eli but every body got they own book, shit need to be taken seriously like that. if a rapper gone teach then live that breathe that. if not dont go claiming u the essence and foundation cuz studies have shown they aint about that life

rap is too fucking powerful to only be governed by money and a fabricated image/"character"... thats why its so destructive to the bearers of that power off they square. dont nobody die, get shot and locked up more than rappers out of any other genre ever existed. its been around long enough and niggas been in the public eye so we can connect the dots betwwen the things they say and do and the ripple effect of tragedy befalling them...

and its not seen because tied in with that cognitive dissonance is a narcissistic complex that rap got stuck at.. if people consider hiphop a culture or themselves hip hop they are highly vulnerable to being influenced by that narcissistic mode..

ON that note you start the 2nd exhibit Fam because any rebuttle to this is being done simply for the sake of being contrary, Dope Drop...

 

[5 Grand]

Wow @herbalism101... Dope drop.

I believe in this culture you gotta deal with dualities of different identities anyway. Tupac, Nas are prime examples.

a dualistic mindstate is dysfunctional tho. its called cognitive dissonance.

Well...that's just about....give or take... 85-90% of the artists in this game.

and it aint they fault... mostly. its some dysfunction got passed after the civil rights era to the pioneer generation and the industrialization of rap arrested the development of hip hop thus you have emotionally, mentally and socially immature rappers whose content, allbeit some are well-meaning disperses and duplicates this mindstate to varying degrees depending on the listener and the level of civilization to the artists .

i think the ability to be in that 15-10% margin you mentioned is what should separate the emcees from the rappers and the professionals from the amateurs. the art in and of itself is from noble origins- a revered profession and held to be beneficial to the people the griots were part of. they were paid according to how what they spit enriched the people. a big part of the griot tradition was storytelling poems/songs, educational ones and ones telling the history and current events of the tribe. this enhanced their culture. its sacred. i dont care what cats say... a pm dawn would be more in line with that than a krs one. look how the aggression and violence is literally consuming generation after generation. i welcome fucking hippies. its all energy in the end. energy filtered through cognitive dissonance can only create dischord in the ends. emcees are the real life fucking book of eli but every body got they own book, shit need to be taken seriously like that. if a rapper gone teach then live that breathe that. if not dont go claiming u the essence and foundation cuz studies have shown they aint about that life

rap is too fucking powerful to only be governed by money and a fabricated image/"character"... thats why its so destructive to the bearers of that power off they square. dont nobody die, get shot and locked up more than rappers out of any other genre ever existed. its been around long enough and niggas been in the public eye so we can connect the dots betwwen the things they say and do and the ripple effect of tragedy befalling them...

and its not seen because tied in with that cognitive dissonance is a narcissistic complex that rap got stuck at.. if people consider hiphop a culture or themselves hip hop they are highly vulnerable to being influenced by that narcissistic mode..

ON that note you start the 2nd exhibit Fam because any rebuttle to this is being done simply for the sake of being contrary, Dope Drop...

Cosign. No point for a rebuttle.

Just add on.

 

[SnuffDaddy]

@zombie

Is actually making very valid points in here.

This is THE biggest reason why nobody wants to do concious rap anymore. No matter what you do people will always take things out of context and TRY their hardest to make you seem like a hypocrite. Listen, we ALL are hypocrites every single day. But nothing yall said really was valid like that, if you really understand what he stood against and was about. I think yall going off your own perceptions tbh.

This is why most emcees aint wanna rap about no shit but what perpetuates the idiocy, norm and stereotypes. Why? Because most people are more comfortable with it and no one will try to tear you down for it. Ironic huh?

 

[mr.october]

@zombie

Is actually making very valid points in here.

This is THE biggest reason why nobody wants to do concious rap anymore. No matter what you do people will always take things out of context and TRY their hardest to make you seepublic figureke a hypocrite. Listen, we ALL are hypocrites every single day. But nothing yall said really was valid like that, if you really understand what he stood against and was about. I think yall going off your own perceptions tbh./quote]

Yes people are hypocritical but to be habitually is a flaw of character that someone should be held accountable for. It's like believing a liar after its been proven that they lie consistently. Ur the fool after a while if u keep believing what they say. If u are a public figure n u sing songs about stopping violence and campaign a movement about it but coincidentally beat a dude up who barely slighted u at a show where groups of people n media r there 2 see it. Ur a hypocrite n I can't fuck wit u. But that's just me I'd feel a way or change the way I view that person. But ur opinion is ur own.

 

[redhandedbandit]

iight i got you scripture says everyone falls short of the glory of God but you dont throw the baby out with the bathwater because you cant be perfect doesnt mean you shouldnt have principals if not you are not human you are clay which will be molded by whoever is running game on you

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

iight i got you scripture says everyone falls short of the glory of God but you dont throw the baby out with the bathwater because you cant be perfect doesnt mean you shouldnt have principals if not you are not human you are clay which will be molded by whoever is running game on you

fam that is true but it is besides the point the only way man has to judge is based upon the actions and words of others. When we see a consistency for Good Or Bad you are taught a truth about honesty of the person the same can be said when you see a conflict of word versus action. That said the overall point of this thread and even most scripture is do not be a hypocrite and display righteousness in your everything for that is the legacy you have to leave ...

 

[5 Grand]

Keeping to the point of the thread, KRS One was a GIANT in Hip Hop at the time that said event took place. At the time Hip Hop was an East Coast/New York thing and cats from the West and/or South were considered outsiders.

Now, 20 years later, KRS is, well, an outsider. He certainly doesn't have the pull or the influence that he had 20 years ago and that PM Dawn incident may have had something to do with his fall from grace.

You can't tell me that KRS doesn't want more popularity and clout in the industry. All the time he spent trying to be "the teacher" and now nobody listens to him because they don't agree with his message, whatever it is. They'd rather have alot of money, nice cars and pretty girls like Jay Z.

Plain and simply, KRS's message of stopping the violence and not being preoccupied with money didn't go over too well with the 90s babies.

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

Keeping to the point of the thread, KRS One was a GIANT in Hip Hop at the time that said event took place. At the time Hip Hop was an East Coast/New York thing and cats from the West and/or South were considered outsiders.

Now, 20 years later, KRS is, well, an outsider. He certainly doesn't have the pull or the influence that he had 20 years ago and that PM Dawn incident may have had something to do with his fall from grace.

You can't tell me that KRS doesn't want more popularity and clout in the industry. All the time he spent trying to be "the teacher" and now nobody listens to him because they don't agree with his message, whatever it is. They'd rather have alot of money, nice cars and pretty girls like Jay Z.

Plain and simply, KRS's message of stopping the violence and not being preoccupied with money didn't go over too well with the 90s babies.

Do you feel or recognize that part of the reason that did not go over well was because the lack of consistency in the messages he sent???

 

[5 Grand]

Keeping to the point of the thread, KRS One was a GIANT in Hip Hop at the time that said event took place. At the time Hip Hop was an East Coast/New York thing and cats from the West and/or South were considered outsiders.

Now, 20 years later, KRS is, well, an outsider. He certainly doesn't have the pull or the influence that he had 20 years ago and that PM Dawn incident may have had something to do with his fall from grace.

You can't tell me that KRS doesn't want more popularity and clout in the industry. All the time he spent trying to be "the teacher" and now nobody listens to him because they don't agree with his message, whatever it is. They'd rather have alot of money, nice cars and pretty girls like Jay Z.

Plain and simply, KRS's message of stopping the violence and not being preoccupied with money didn't go over too well with the 90s babies.

Do you feel or recognize that part of the reason that did not go over well was because the lack of consistency in the messages he sent???

Agreed. Aside from the basic message of "speaking your mind", his message was kind of confusing. I mean, I agree that a rapper should, in theory speak on whatever is on his mind be it politics or religion. So yes, I agree that rappers shouldn't be scared to talk about social issues. But my problem with KRS is that I don't understand what his stand is on any of those issues and I'm not going to listen to his music and try to decipher what he's talking about.

Another way to put it is that when I was like 14/15 years old he was talking about Stop the Violence and Self Destruction, which made sense at the time. But over the years he started getting deeper and deeper into religion, theology, humanism and his messages did start to contradict. That's around the time I lost interest.