Ajackson17;5373943 said:
Gold_Certificate;5373875 said:
kai_valya;5373770 said:
i think carl sagan said it the best i've ever heard
"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence..."
His argument fails because the claim of the "supernatural" is an unscientific one. So by the very nature of the claim, evidence can't be compiled for or against it.
Such claims don't automatically get a status quo of "true" or "valid" simply because someone comes up with them.
My reasoning stands correctly and Carl Sagan stands because
all you are saying is you have proof of your beliefs in which you don't because you can't see it. Your logical fallacies are showing. All in all is that we don't know because we can't approve or disapprove God exists. Until we can actually travel through hyperspace and know what is there to know about the universe we wouldn't have the capacity to express such a belief is actually true.
I actually said the opposite of this b:
Gold_Certificate;5373875 said:
His argument fails because the claim of the "supernatural" is an unscientific one. So by the very nature of the claim, evidence can't be compiled for or against it.
Such claims don't automatically get a status quo of "true" or "valid" simply because someone comes up with them.
Unscientific claims are untestable, so there will never be any proof for or against them.
So the claim that "supernatural" beings exists has the same weight as the claim that a giant objectively unobservable\unmeasurable teapot orbits the sun between Earth and Mars; which has the same weight as any other unscientific claim.
You said it's "arrogant" to dismiss such claims;
if so, it is also "arrogant" to consider anything to be "false" or "true".[/quote]
That's my whole damn argument man!! >
We know the supernatural doesn't exist that everything has laws and there is order in everything, we don't know all the laws that are in place, but we do know the universe functions on LAWS, but we don't have enough information on every anomaly, etc as of NOW to say if we can say a deity actually exists or not. That's all. You are not FIAT!