Why I raise my children without God.

[zombie]

There is no such thing as weak atheism the meanings you give contradict themselves. You cannot deny something and then leave it open to possiblity. A disbelief is a denial. There is no such thing as weak atheism. You keep posting the same crap because you cannot think for yourself. once you deny something that is the end of it, you cannot deny and then say maybe like your so called weak atheism does.

I already gave you the gem in the hand allegory which was to demonstrate how one could be atheist and agnostic. If I tell you I have a gem in my hand, you can be atheist by disbelieving in the existence of the gem in my hand but at the same time you could be agnostic by claiming the gems existence to be unknowable. Your inability to comprehend my words mixed with your ignorance as to what the words mean have forced me to show you the dictionary definitions.

Your allegory was wrong, i cannot deny the gem exist and then say it is unknowable that would contradict the denial. To deny something you have to be complete in your rejection.

 

[zombie]

A disbelief is not a denial. A baby has no belief in god but has not yet denied its existence.

SINCE YOU LIKE THE DICTIONARY SO MUCH HERE YOU GO

de·ny (d-n)

tr.v. de·nied, de·ny·ing, de·nies

1. To declare untrue; contradict.

2. To refuse to believe; reject.

3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.

de·ni·al [dih-nahy-uhl]

noun

1.

an assertion that something said, believed, alleged, etc., is false: Despite his denials, we knew he had taken the purse. The politician issued a denial of his opponent's charges.

2.

refusal to believe a doctrine, theory, or the like.

3.

disbelief in the existence or reality of a thing.

4.

the refusal to satisfy a claim, request, desire, etc., or the refusal of a person making it.

5.

refusal to recognize or acknowledge; a disowning or disavowal: the traitor's denial of his country; Peter's denial of Christ.

 

[Bodhi]

I know what deny means and there is not a contradiction. You don't even believe in the definitions provided by the dictionary so why even try to use it? If you're going to use the dictionary as a truthful reference, you'll need to accept the fact that there are two definitions given for atheism.

Atheism

a : a disbelief in the existence of deity

b : the doctrine that there is no deity
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

By denying belief in the existence of the gem, you could say, "I refuse to believe the gem is in your hand but ultimately it is unknowable as to whether or not a gem is really there". Point out the contradiction in that, please.

Deny

1: to declare untrue

2: to refuse to admit or acknowledge : disavow

3a : to give a negative answer to b : to refuse to grant c : to restrain (oneself) from gratification of desires

4: archaic : decline

5: to refuse to accept the existence, truth, or validity of
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deny

^^^ As you can see in the definition for "deny", denial is a conscious decision, which is different from a simple lack of belief.

The prefix "dis-" means the absense of something, or the lack of something.

Dis-

a : do the opposite of b : deprive of (a specified quality, rank, or object) c : exclude or expel from

2: opposite or absence of

3: not
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dis

Absent

1: not present or attending : missing
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/absent[1]

Lack

1: to be deficient or missing

If you deny the existence of something, disbelief is already present. But disbelief does not always and completely equal conscious denial:

Disbelieve

1: to hold not worthy of belief : not believe

2: to withhold or reject belief
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disbelieving

(1) is the absence or lack of belief; (2) is disbelief by way of rejection or denial, as explained prior to the definition given.

 

[Bodhi]

(Weak Atheist) I don't believe in bigfoot but I'm not saying there aren't any somewhere in the universe; I'm not denying the possibility that they might exist.

(Strong Atheist) I don't believe in square circles and I deny the existence of square circles.

see the difference?

(Agnostic Atheist) I don't believe there is an alternate universe with my evil twin inhabiting it but ultimately it is impossible to know whether there is or isn't one.

(Gnostic Atheist) I don't believe there are flying horses on the earth and I believe it is possible to know whether or not they exist.

see the difference?

 

[zombie]

I know what deny means and there is not a contradiction. You don't even believe in the definitions provided by the dictionary so why even try to use it? If you're going to use the dictionary as a truthful reference, you'll need to accept the fact that there are two definitions given for atheism.

Atheism

a : a disbelief in the existence of deity

b : the doctrine that there is no deity
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

By denying belief in the existence of the gem, you could say, "I refuse to believe the gem is in your hand but ultimately it is unknowable as to whether or not a gem is really there". Point out the contradiction in that, please.

Deny

1: to declare untrue

2: to refuse to admit or acknowledge : disavow

3a : to give a negative answer to b : to refuse to grant c : to restrain (oneself) from gratification of desires

4: archaic : decline

5: to refuse to accept the existence, truth, or validity of
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deny

^^^ As you can see in the definition for "deny", denial is a conscious decision, which is different from a simple lack of belief.

The prefix "dis-" means the absense of something, or the lack of something.

Dis-

a : do the opposite of b : deprive of (a specified quality, rank, or object) c : exclude or expel from

2: opposite or absence of

3: not
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dis

Absent

1: not present or attending : missing
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/absent[1]

Lack

1: to be deficient or missing

I never said i don't believe in the dictionary meaning for all words just for some and since it's the only source you respect i used it. There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

 

[zombie]

(Weak Atheist) I don't believe in bigfoot but I'm not saying there aren't any somewhere in the universe; I'm not denying the possibility that they might exist.

(Strong Atheist) I don't believe in square circles and I deny the existence of square circles.

see the difference?

(Agnostic Atheist) I don't believe there is an alternate universe with my evil twin inhabiting it but ultimately it is impossible to know whether there is or isn't one.

(Gnostic Atheist) I don't believe there are flying horses on the earth and I believe it is possible to know whether or not they exist.

see the difference?

There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

 

[Bodhi]

I never said i don't believe in the dictionary meaning for all words just for some and since it's the only source you respect i used it.

you don't believe in the dictionary meanings for words that you want to define any way you want which is unreasonable.

 

[Bodhi]

There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

I just showed you there is.

 

[zombie]

A disbelief is effectively a denial you cannot deny a thing exist and then say it is unknowable because by saying you deny it exist you have said you know it does not. So once you deny bigfoot that is the end of it.

 

[Bodhi]

A disbelief is effectively a denial you cannot deny a thing exist and then say it is unknowable because by saying you deny it exist you have said you know it does not. So once you deny bigfoot that is the end of it.

Knowing and believing are not the same thing. You can choose to believe or not believe in something and not know 100% whether that thing exists.

 

[zombie]

I never said i don't believe in the dictionary meaning for all words just for some and since it's the only source you respect i used it.

you don't believe in the dictionary meanings for words that you want to define any way you want which is unreasonable.

I don't believe in dictionary words that contradict themselves the term weak atheist and the meanings you have given do.

 

[zombie]

There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

I just showed you there is.

There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

 

[Bodhi]

There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

Positive atheism (also called strong atheism and hard atheism) is the form of atheism that asserts that no deities exist. Negative atheism (also called weak atheism and soft atheism) is any other type of atheism, wherein a person does not believe in the existence of any deities, but does not explicitly assert there to be none
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism

 

[Bodhi]

Just because you aren't able to wrap your head around a concept does not make it contradictory.

 

[zombie]

Just because you aren't able to wrap your head around a concept does not make it contradictory.

i wrap my head around it perfectly, i understand what you are saying i just know it to be fiction. YOUR MEANINGS CONTRADICT THEMSELVES.

there is no such thing as a weak atheist.

 

[zombie]

There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

Positive atheism (also called strong atheism and hard atheism) is the form of atheism that asserts that no deities exist. Negative atheism (also called weak atheism and soft atheism) is any other type of atheism, wherein a person does not believe in the existence of any deities, but does not explicitly assert there to be none
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism

logically There is no such thing as a weak atheist and wikipedia is often wrong.

 

[Bodhi]

logically There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

You have yet to prove this.

wikipedia is often wrong.

Not in this instance.

 

[zombie]

logically There is no such thing as a weak atheist.

You have yet to prove this.

wikipedia is often wrong.

Not in this instance.

There is no such thing as a weak atheist. From the perspective of the one doing the denial , a statement of Denial of anything nitigates it's possible existence. Because by denying what he is saying it that. Whatever it is does not exist. Period end of story

It does does not matter if said thing actually exist or not. It is being denied usually based off of logic. There is no such thing as a weak atheist. Atheism is a denial of gods existence.

 

[zombie]

It is being denied based on logic and evidence to an atheist god cannot logically exist. His possible existence is ilogical so therefore gods existence is denied.

 

[Bodhi]

It does does not matter if said thing actually exist or not. It is being denied usually based off of logic. There is no such thing as a weak atheist. Atheism is a denial of gods existence.

Atheism is also defined as absence of belief. An atheist can lack belief in god but not assert gods non existence. It is (a) of the webster definition.

It is being denied based on logic and evidence to an atheist god cannot logically exist. His possible existence is ilogical so therefore gods existence is denied.

Certain descriptions of god are illogical. For instance, the abrahamic god is illogical. It is equivalent to a square circle. It can't possibly exist.

I'm a strong atheist with regards to the Abrahamic version of God but I'm also a strong atheist in any version of a supreme being because I believe a supreme being is illogical and can't possibly exist.

However, "God" is a label that can be attached to anything and descriptions of whatever God may be can be loose as to where it's more difficult to disprove its existence. A god does not have to be supreme or the first cause. If God were to be defined as a being that somehow created or "set off" the universe but exists in some other universe where other beings exist, and is not the creator of the beings that live with him or the universe he lives in, then I'm a weak atheist in that regard; I don't believe in it but I'm not asserting that it doesn't exist.

Assert

1: to state or declare positively and often forcefully or aggressively

2a : to demonstrate the existence of
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assert