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With All Those Flood Stories...You Just Named, What is Your Reason for Thinking The Bible Flood is a True Literal Story?
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maestro_lungs;4590258 said:You Sound Angry...Would You Like To Call me More Names Pussy! Just to Help You out about the Flood, Since You Seem so Frustrated Flood stories are quite common in ancient mythologies around the world. Each of these myths arise in areas where independent local floods occurred. A world wide flood as described in Genesis never happened but like all myths it contains a small bit of truth. The flood that inspired the Babylonian story which later inspired the Bible's story was actually just a localized flood. Several ancient floods could have been the inspiration, such as rise of sea level after the ice age, but the flooding of the Nile is most likely the origin for the Mesopotamian area. Every year the Nile would flood causing destruction. The water would strip away the land but when the water receded a layer of black mud was left making it the only soil in Egypt fertile enough to plant crops, thus allowing life to begin again. Ancients referred to it as the "Gift of the Nile."
Never Meeting Norse People Has Nothing to do With Them Knowing The Stories or Hearing a Variation of the Same Story or How do You Explain The Similarities of the 20 Stories Before Jesus.....Please Read a Book
And Thanks for Giving me The Most Asshole Answer... You Only Get Mad , or Sad when Something is Revealed to You (Like You seem to be) Your God Being All Knowing & All Seeing, Wouldn't Experience the same Feeling as You, Cause Nothing would Could be Revealed to Him.....Common Sense Dickhead!
VIBE;4590874 said:Where are their approximate locations? (the cultures of the stories)
maestro_lungs;4590655 said:@Judahxulu What Are You Talking About No Internets & Airplanes Back Then, What Made You Say that Goofy Shit?
Far as Explaining The Floods Scientifically, Why I Thought I Address This Flood stories are quite common in ancient mythologies around the world. Each of these myths arise in areas where independent local floods occurred. You Explain Why They are Similar to The Bible & Some of Them Pre Date the Bible! Let's Deal with the One You Seem to Believe & Work From There! Don't Think it Skipped me That You're Ignoring My Questions.
maestro_lungs;4590622 said:With All Those Flood Stories...You Just Named, What is Your Reason for Thinking The Bible Flood is a True Literal Story?
maestro_lungs;4590506 said:@Judahuxulu The Story of Jesus
Horus
"the Way, the Truth, the Life"
Of all the savior-gods worshiped Horus may have contributed more to the story of Christ than any other figure. Inscribed about 3,500 years ago [1500 years before Jesus' alleged advent] on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, and Adoration of Horus. It tells of Thoth announcing to the virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph the "Holy Ghost" impregnating the virgin; and with the birth being attended by three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. Countless parallels can be found when comparing stories of Horus to the stories of Jesus.
in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original "Madonna and Child."
You Also Don't Seem to Know who Odin is..Other Than the Father of Favorite Comic Book Character Odin is a Norse god, the father of Balder, and Wednesday is named after him (Wodan). He was apparently hung on a tree and pierced with a spear, as Jesus was.
Peep The Similarities Between Buddah & Jesus Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:
“When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self–possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty–nine years of age… “Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age.” (Luke 3:23). Both were tempted by the “devil” at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: “Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents.” To Jesus, he said: “All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:9). Buddha answered the “devil”: “Get you away from me.”
Jesus responded: “…begone, Satan!” (Matthew 4:10). Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic’s eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;.” (Matthew 5:29).
You Have Krishna According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected.
There's about 9 More, But Somehow The Story of Jesus is The Real one & I'm The Arrogant One
judahxulu;4590949 said:maestro_lungs;4590655 said:@Judahxulu What Are You Talking About No Internets & Airplanes Back Then, What Made You Say that Goofy Shit?
Far as Explaining The Floods Scientifically, Why I Thought I Address This Flood stories are quite common in ancient mythologies around the world. Each of these myths arise in areas where independent local floods occurred. You Explain Why They are Similar to The Bible & Some of Them Pre Date the Bible! Let's Deal with the One You Seem to Believe & Work From There! Don't Think it Skipped me That You're Ignoring My Questions.
i accept ALL of them. u cant box me into your damn concept. the similarities are not just that there was a flood and its plain as day in the text i.e. animals, a patriarch with sons and wives, evil on the earth being the cause etc.
judahxulu;4590957 said:maestro_lungs;4590506 said:@Judahuxulu The Story of Jesus
Horus
"the Way, the Truth, the Life"
Of all the savior-gods worshiped Horus may have contributed more to the story of Christ than any other figure. Inscribed about 3,500 years ago [1500 years before Jesus' alleged advent] on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, and Adoration of Horus. It tells of Thoth announcing to the virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph the "Holy Ghost" impregnating the virgin; and with the birth being attended by three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. Countless parallels can be found when comparing stories of Horus to the stories of Jesus.
in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original "Madonna and Child."
You Also Don't Seem to Know who Odin is..Other Than the Father of Favorite Comic Book Character Odin is a Norse god, the father of Balder, and Wednesday is named after him (Wodan). He was apparently hung on a tree and pierced with a spear, as Jesus was.
Peep The Similarities Between Buddah & Jesus Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:
“When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self–possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty–nine years of age… “Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age.” (Luke 3:23). Both were tempted by the “devil” at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: “Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents.” To Jesus, he said: “All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:9). Buddha answered the “devil”: “Get you away from me.”
Jesus responded: “…begone, Satan!” (Matthew 4:10). Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic’s eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;.” (Matthew 5:29).
You Have Krishna According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected.
There's about 9 More, But Somehow The Story of Jesus is The Real one & I'm The Arrogant One
these stories all arose independent of one another is the point. u only have proof of similarities NOT DERIVATION!
judahxulu;4590950 said:maestro_lungs;4590622 said:With All Those Flood Stories...You Just Named, What is Your Reason for Thinking The Bible Flood is a True Literal Story?
dumbass when did i say it was literal. another of your stupid fucking presuppositions. quit projecting
judahxulu;4590944 said:VIBE;4590874 said:Where are their approximate locations? (the cultures of the stories)
every continent excluding antarctica although it was charted on ancient maps
maestro_lungs;4589937 said:No one can Have 100% Truth, The Same Reason You Can Disprove or Prove with a 100% there is a God! You can Only go with the Most Likely After Carefully Looking at The Solid Evidence
alissowack;4593185 said:maestro_lungs;4589937 said:No one can Have 100% Truth, The Same Reason You Can Disprove or Prove with a 100% there is a God! You can Only go with the Most Likely After Carefully Looking at The Solid Evidence
You say no one can have 100% truth, and yet in defense of the non-existence of God, you have an "absoluteness" about your claim. Sure, you can say the same for the religious, but you can't have it both ways. I would like to think that if someone wants to know that God exists, they would want to know absolutely and not just most likely...not even 99.99%.
maestro_lungs;4593267 said:alissowack;4593185 said:maestro_lungs;4589937 said:No one can Have 100% Truth, The Same Reason You Can Disprove or Prove with a 100% there is a God! You can Only go with the Most Likely After Carefully Looking at The Solid Evidence
You say no one can have 100% truth, and yet in defense of the non-existence of God, you have an "absoluteness" about your claim. Sure, you can say the same for the religious, but you can't have it both ways. I would like to think that if someone wants to know that God exists, they would want to know absolutely and not just most likely...not even 99.99%.
I have a Absoluteness About my Claim? Where? I'm Just Pointing out Things That Make it Highly Unlikely, Religion Claims to Be Certain, I'm Just Pointing out How There is No way to Be Certain. How Can Someone be a 100% That God Exist? This is The Catch 22 You Trying to put me in, but it won't work. when I say, “No, I’m not 100% sure that there is no God, there’s almost nothing that we can be 100% sure of — but so what, we can still make reasonable conclusions about what’s probable and plausible based on the available evidence, and all the evidence we have now points to God not existing, so I feel confident in rejecting the God hypothesis unless I see better evidence”… or if i say “Yes, I’m 100% sure that there is no God: I Mean Cause the fragment of hypothetical possibility that God exists is so insignificant that it’s not even worth considering, I’m 100% certain that there are no leprechauns or unicorns — or as close to 100% as anyone could reasonably expect — and I see no reason to treat God any differently”, So we can Argue Semantics, But I'm I'm not saying nothing different or Selling Absoluteness, Unless You Agree with my Points & Perceive as That. I Suggest you Don't just take My word or Anybodies word..Look it up & Cross Reference it...Be Skeptic & Question Everything, Even Yourself!
alissowack;4597873 said:maestro_lungs;4593267 said:alissowack;4593185 said:maestro_lungs;4589937 said:No one can Have 100% Truth, The Same Reason You Can Disprove or Prove with a 100% there is a God! You can Only go with the Most Likely After Carefully Looking at The Solid Evidence
You say no one can have 100% truth, and yet in defense of the non-existence of God, you have an "absoluteness" about your claim. Sure, you can say the same for the religious, but you can't have it both ways. I would like to think that if someone wants to know that God exists, they would want to know absolutely and not just most likely...not even 99.99%.
I have a Absoluteness About my Claim? Where? I'm Just Pointing out Things That Make it Highly Unlikely, Religion Claims to Be Certain, I'm Just Pointing out How There is No way to Be Certain. How Can Someone be a 100% That God Exist? This is The Catch 22 You Trying to put me in, but it won't work. when I say, “No, I’m not 100% sure that there is no God, there’s almost nothing that we can be 100% sure of — but so what, we can still make reasonable conclusions about what’s probable and plausible based on the available evidence, and all the evidence we have now points to God not existing, so I feel confident in rejecting the God hypothesis unless I see better evidence”… or if i say “Yes, I’m 100% sure that there is no God: I Mean Cause the fragment of hypothetical possibility that God exists is so insignificant that it’s not even worth considering, I’m 100% certain that there are no leprechauns or unicorns — or as close to 100% as anyone could reasonably expect — and I see no reason to treat God any differently”, So we can Argue Semantics, But I'm I'm not saying nothing different or Selling Absoluteness, Unless You Agree with my Points & Perceive as That. I Suggest you Don't just take My word or Anybodies word..Look it up & Cross Reference it...Be Skeptic & Question Everything, Even Yourself!
Again, you are thinking I'm trying to trick you. Let me put it like this...you not answering questions to my satisfaction doesn't determine whether God exists. Me winning (or losing) an argument does not make God more or less evident. The best it would do is boost or hurt my pride. People are going to be right and people are going to be wrong...and people are not going to know. However, the existence of God is not depended on our understanding.
Do people have some outlandish perceptions on God? Yes. Do people do bad things in the name of God? Sure. Are there many books out there that claim to be from God? Yeah. But if you want the truth about all these things, you need to do more than just running tests.
maestro_lungs;4598420 said:You Still Have Yet to Give me a Good Reason Why You Think a God Exist?
maestro_lungs;4598420 said:alissowack;4597873 said:maestro_lungs;4593267 said:alissowack;4593185 said:maestro_lungs;4589937 said:No one can Have 100% Truth, The Same Reason You Can Disprove or Prove with a 100% there is a God! You can Only go with the Most Likely After Carefully Looking at The Solid Evidence
You say no one can have 100% truth, and yet in defense of the non-existence of God, you have an "absoluteness" about your claim. Sure, you can say the same for the religious, but you can't have it both ways. I would like to think that if someone wants to know that God exists, they would want to know absolutely and not just most likely...not even 99.99%.
I have a Absoluteness About my Claim? Where? I'm Just Pointing out Things That Make it Highly Unlikely, Religion Claims to Be Certain, I'm Just Pointing out How There is No way to Be Certain. How Can Someone be a 100% That God Exist? This is The Catch 22 You Trying to put me in, but it won't work. when I say, “No, I’m not 100% sure that there is no God, there’s almost nothing that we can be 100% sure of — but so what, we can still make reasonable conclusions about what’s probable and plausible based on the available evidence, and all the evidence we have now points to God not existing, so I feel confident in rejecting the God hypothesis unless I see better evidence”… or if i say “Yes, I’m 100% sure that there is no God: I Mean Cause the fragment of hypothetical possibility that God exists is so insignificant that it’s not even worth considering, I’m 100% certain that there are no leprechauns or unicorns — or as close to 100% as anyone could reasonably expect — and I see no reason to treat God any differently”, So we can Argue Semantics, But I'm I'm not saying nothing different or Selling Absoluteness, Unless You Agree with my Points & Perceive as That. I Suggest you Don't just take My word or Anybodies word..Look it up & Cross Reference it...Be Skeptic & Question Everything, Even Yourself!
Again, you are thinking I'm trying to trick you. Let me put it like this...you not answering questions to my satisfaction doesn't determine whether God exists. Me winning (or losing) an argument does not make God more or less evident. The best it would do is boost or hurt my pride. People are going to be right and people are going to be wrong...and people are not going to know. However, the existence of God is not depended on our understanding.
Do people have some outlandish perceptions on God? Yes. Do people do bad things in the name of God? Sure. Are there many books out there that claim to be from God? Yeah. But if you want the truth about all these things, you need to do more than just running tests.
My Answers Shouldn't have any Bearing on Whether You Think God Exist or Not. You Should ask Your own question & Reexamine the Evidence. Look at it Skeptically & I Think You'll come to The same Conclusion that God is Highly Unlikely. The Existence of God is Depended on Our Understanding. We The One who Made him up & Applied him to Things We Didn't Understand. Don't Know how it Rained or Babies were Made or How The Sun Came up. Saying God was The Perfect answer til we Found the Real Answer. You Still Have Yet to Give me a Good Reason Why You Think a God Exist?
Jaded Righteousness;4598592 said:maestro_lungs;4598420 said:You Still Have Yet to Give me a Good Reason Why You Think a God Exist?
He doesn't have one.
alissowack;4599708 said:maestro_lungs;4598420 said:alissowack;4597873 said:maestro_lungs;4593267 said:alissowack;4593185 said:maestro_lungs;4589937 said:No one can Have 100% Truth, The Same Reason You Can Disprove or Prove with a 100% there is a God! You can Only go with the Most Likely After Carefully Looking at The Solid Evidence
You say no one can have 100% truth, and yet in defense of the non-existence of God, you have an "absoluteness" about your claim. Sure, you can say the same for the religious, but you can't have it both ways. I would like to think that if someone wants to know that God exists, they would want to know absolutely and not just most likely...not even 99.99%.
I have a Absoluteness About my Claim? Where? I'm Just Pointing out Things That Make it Highly Unlikely, Religion Claims to Be Certain, I'm Just Pointing out How There is No way to Be Certain. How Can Someone be a 100% That God Exist? This is The Catch 22 You Trying to put me in, but it won't work. when I say, “No, I’m not 100% sure that there is no God, there’s almost nothing that we can be 100% sure of — but so what, we can still make reasonable conclusions about what’s probable and plausible based on the available evidence, and all the evidence we have now points to God not existing, so I feel confident in rejecting the God hypothesis unless I see better evidence”… or if i say “Yes, I’m 100% sure that there is no God: I Mean Cause the fragment of hypothetical possibility that God exists is so insignificant that it’s not even worth considering, I’m 100% certain that there are no leprechauns or unicorns — or as close to 100% as anyone could reasonably expect — and I see no reason to treat God any differently”, So we can Argue Semantics, But I'm I'm not saying nothing different or Selling Absoluteness, Unless You Agree with my Points & Perceive as That. I Suggest you Don't just take My word or Anybodies word..Look it up & Cross Reference it...Be Skeptic & Question Everything, Even Yourself!
Again, you are thinking I'm trying to trick you. Let me put it like this...you not answering questions to my satisfaction doesn't determine whether God exists. Me winning (or losing) an argument does not make God more or less evident. The best it would do is boost or hurt my pride. People are going to be right and people are going to be wrong...and people are not going to know. However, the existence of God is not depended on our understanding.
Do people have some outlandish perceptions on God? Yes. Do people do bad things in the name of God? Sure. Are there many books out there that claim to be from God? Yeah. But if you want the truth about all these things, you need to do more than just running tests.
My Answers Shouldn't have any Bearing on Whether You Think God Exist or Not. You Should ask Your own question & Reexamine the Evidence. Look at it Skeptically & I Think You'll come to The same Conclusion that God is Highly Unlikely. The Existence of God is Depended on Our Understanding. We The One who Made him up & Applied him to Things We Didn't Understand. Don't Know how it Rained or Babies were Made or How The Sun Came up. Saying God was The Perfect answer til we Found the Real Answer. You Still Have Yet to Give me a Good Reason Why You Think a God Exist?
Well, I would suggest you do the same and re-examine. As important as those questions that you asked are, those are not the questions I would concern myself with. The introduction of science has helped us with that for the most part. My question are more on who are we, what are we suppose to do with our lives, what is right and wrong, why we do more wrong than right, what can be done about it. So far, science has come up short in dealing with those questions as much as it has advanced. There are people still searching for an identity, don't know what to do with themselves, living their lives with no regard for what is right and wrong and compromising how others their lives. And as governments of the world no longer have the authority or respect that it once had, it makes it that much harder to appreciate life for we don't have anybody looking out for us..or anybody we can trust to look out for us. It's just us. You might as well die these days...or eat, drink and be marry doing it. I believe God has answered those questions through the Bible and that's why I believe He exist.