Why do/don't you believe in god?

[alissowack]

@maestro_lungs. The reasons those questions don't concern me is because it does not answer to what matters. There is something wrong with the world. Of all the advances intellectually and technologically, people still do bad things and it doesn't matter if someone is religious or irreligious. Why is that? You say morality is subjective and yet you say (well, you say that science says) that at the core is a set of morals we all share; which suggest there is an objectiveness to morality; that regardless of what anybody says, these core morals are ones we should take heed to. And if we are violating those core moral values, what are we doing to stop it? Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves (in respect to the things we consider good about who we are). And you got people who seek an identity in things that are destructive...again regardless of religion. Why do we do that?

And if this is indeed the work of evolution, when is the change gonna come? What hope is there for us worms to get to a point in our lives where we can reap the benefits of what Nature is suppose to sow? If that change is millions of years away from now, then why wait until that time comes? Why live for a distant future when we can live for now? If this is a matter of survival, then we have the freedom by any means.

Now, for the most part this a just me "ranting". But, I believe that these points can't be avoided. And...again you just think the religious are just tricksters. Again, I believe God has answered those questions through the Bible and because of that I believe He exists.

 

[maestro_lungs]

@maestro_lungs. The reasons those questions don't concern me is because it does not answer to what matters. There is something wrong with the world. Of all the advances intellectually and technologically, people still do bad things and it doesn't matter if someone is religious or irreligious. Why is that? You say morality is subjective and yet you say (well, you say that science says) that at the core is a set of morals we all share; which suggest there is an objectiveness to morality; that regardless of what anybody says, these core morals are ones we should take heed to. And if we are violating those core moral values, what are we doing to stop it? Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves (in respect to the things we consider good about who we are). And you got people who seek an identity in things that are destructive...again regardless of religion. Why do we do that?

And if this is indeed the work of evolution, when is the change gonna come? What hope is there for us worms to get to a point in our lives where we can reap the benefits of what Nature is suppose to sow? If that change is millions of years away from now, then why wait until that time comes? Why live for a distant future when we can live for now? If this is a matter of survival, then we have the freedom by any means.

Now, for the most part this a just me "ranting". But, I believe that these points can't be avoided. And...again you just think the religious are just tricksters. Again, I believe God has answered those questions through the Bible and because of that I believe He exists.

What are You Basing that there is Something wrong with The World on? Bad News, Murder...Been here as Long as Good. There's Nothing Wrong with The World...Stop Letting Your Religion & God Blind you! People do Bad Things & People do Good things...Human Nature, The Yin & The Yang, But Once you Start to Live Life & Stop Letting Sky daddy Hold you Back Life is Beautiful & You See There is More Good in the World Than Bad! We all share a Core Morals, Cause we Set our Standards of Morality. People Doing Bad & Good didn't Start in The Bible...it Was Happening way Before Then. We as People have set the Standards Your Book trys to make you Think it did! I Know You wanted to Sound Deep with this Line ( Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? ) You didn't! You ain't Gotta Know Yourself to Be Naturally who You are & I Really Think this Line is Why You Believe ( There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves) You Scared to ask the Real Hard Questions, Cause someone Might think you got doubt.

We as People are Evolving outta needing a God & Religion. We Slow here in America, But Look at the Countries that Have Put Religion & God on the Back Burner. They are Prospering way more than we are. You want Change? Put your Silly Books up & Stop Believing in Santa & The Spook in the Sky & Live Life....Trust me, You won't kill nobody...lol

 

[Bodhi]

You Still Have Yet to Give me a Good Reason Why You Think a God Exist?

He doesn't have one.

Does it matter that I have one?

In this conversation, yes

 

[maestro_lungs]

@Jaded Righteousness @Squall & Anyone of My Free Thinkers on Here...If You got a Chance & Be on Facebook...Come Join This Group facebook.com/groups/168763889806433/ It's Called Knights of The Roundtable. I'm The Moderator & I Could Actually Use you Guys Fresh Perspectives over There. If You Could, It'd be Much Appreciated! Thanks!

 

[alissowack]

@maestro_lungs. The reasons those questions don't concern me is because it does not answer to what matters. There is something wrong with the world. Of all the advances intellectually and technologically, people still do bad things and it doesn't matter if someone is religious or irreligious. Why is that? You say morality is subjective and yet you say (well, you say that science says) that at the core is a set of morals we all share; which suggest there is an objectiveness to morality; that regardless of what anybody says, these core morals are ones we should take heed to. And if we are violating those core moral values, what are we doing to stop it? Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves (in respect to the things we consider good about who we are). And you got people who seek an identity in things that are destructive...again regardless of religion. Why do we do that?

And if this is indeed the work of evolution, when is the change gonna come? What hope is there for us worms to get to a point in our lives where we can reap the benefits of what Nature is suppose to sow? If that change is millions of years away from now, then why wait until that time comes? Why live for a distant future when we can live for now? If this is a matter of survival, then we have the freedom by any means.

Now, for the most part this a just me "ranting". But, I believe that these points can't be avoided. And...again you just think the religious are just tricksters. Again, I believe God has answered those questions through the Bible and because of that I believe He exists.

What are You Basing that there is Something wrong with The World on? Bad News, Murder...Been here as Long as Good. There's Nothing Wrong with The World...Stop Letting Your Religion & God Blind you! People do Bad Things & People do Good things...Human Nature, The Yin & The Yang, But Once you Start to Live Life & Stop Letting Sky daddy Hold you Back Life is Beautiful & You See There is More Good in the World Than Bad! We all share a Core Morals, Cause we Set our Standards of Morality. People Doing Bad & Good didn't Start in The Bible...it Was Happening way Before Then. We as People have set the Standards Your Book trys to make you Think it did! I Know You wanted to Sound Deep with this Line ( Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? ) You didn't! You ain't Gotta Know Yourself to Be Naturally who You are & I Really Think this Line is Why You Believe ( There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves) You Scared to ask the Real Hard Questions, Cause someone Might think you got doubt.

We as People are Evolving outta needing a God & Religion. We Slow here in America, But Look at the Countries that Have Put Religion & God on the Back Burner. They are Prospering way more than we are. You want Change? Put your Silly Books up & Stop Believing in Santa & The Spook in the Sky & Live Life....Trust me, You won't kill nobody...lol

I have made it clear that regardless of religion, bad things happen meaning at a certain point we do agree. I was not making a case in my last post that the Bible was a moral standard (it's way more than that), but yet you made it about that. We've spend quite some time talking about the things that don't effect how people live. I wonder the same about you with this blindness. We live in a world in which you say "we" set the standard, and yet there is no reason to take heed to the standard if we can be "tricked" into lowering the standard or getting rid of a standard once and for all. But, you seem to feel it is natural that we do that...until someone does something you feel is wrong and expect them to acknowledge that what he or she did was wrong. You say the heart and mind can't be trusted and yet you offer "trust". How is that? Regardless of how "deep" I may sound, identity is still important and it's much bigger than genetics.

 

[maestro_lungs]

@maestro_lungs. The reasons those questions don't concern me is because it does not answer to what matters. There is something wrong with the world. Of all the advances intellectually and technologically, people still do bad things and it doesn't matter if someone is religious or irreligious. Why is that? You say morality is subjective and yet you say (well, you say that science says) that at the core is a set of morals we all share; which suggest there is an objectiveness to morality; that regardless of what anybody says, these core morals are ones we should take heed to. And if we are violating those core moral values, what are we doing to stop it? Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves (in respect to the things we consider good about who we are). And you got people who seek an identity in things that are destructive...again regardless of religion. Why do we do that?

And if this is indeed the work of evolution, when is the change gonna come? What hope is there for us worms to get to a point in our lives where we can reap the benefits of what Nature is suppose to sow? If that change is millions of years away from now, then why wait until that time comes? Why live for a distant future when we can live for now? If this is a matter of survival, then we have the freedom by any means.

Now, for the most part this a just me "ranting". But, I believe that these points can't be avoided. And...again you just think the religious are just tricksters. Again, I believe God has answered those questions through the Bible and because of that I believe He exists.

What are You Basing that there is Something wrong with The World on? Bad News, Murder...Been here as Long as Good. There's Nothing Wrong with The World...Stop Letting Your Religion & God Blind you! People do Bad Things & People do Good things...Human Nature, The Yin & The Yang, But Once you Start to Live Life & Stop Letting Sky daddy Hold you Back Life is Beautiful & You See There is More Good in the World Than Bad! We all share a Core Morals, Cause we Set our Standards of Morality. People Doing Bad & Good didn't Start in The Bible...it Was Happening way Before Then. We as People have set the Standards Your Book trys to make you Think it did! I Know You wanted to Sound Deep with this Line ( Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? ) You didn't! You ain't Gotta Know Yourself to Be Naturally who You are & I Really Think this Line is Why You Believe ( There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves) You Scared to ask the Real Hard Questions, Cause someone Might think you got doubt.

We as People are Evolving outta needing a God & Religion. We Slow here in America, But Look at the Countries that Have Put Religion & God on the Back Burner. They are Prospering way more than we are. You want Change? Put your Silly Books up & Stop Believing in Santa & The Spook in the Sky & Live Life....Trust me, You won't kill nobody...lol

I have made it clear that regardless of religion, bad things happen meaning at a certain point we do agree. I was not making a case in my last post that the Bible was a moral standard (it's way more than that), but yet you made it about that. We've spend quite some time talking about the things that don't effect how people live. I wonder the same about you with this blindness. We live in a world in which you say "we" set the standard, and yet there is no reason to take heed to the standard if we can be "tricked" into lowering the standard or getting rid of a standard once and for all. But, you seem to feel it is natural that we do that...until someone does something you feel is wrong and expect them to acknowledge that what he or she did was wrong. You say the heart and mind can't be trusted and yet you offer "trust". How is that? Regardless of how "deep" I may sound, identity is still important and it's much bigger than genetics.

There is a Reason to Take Heed to The Standard, The Law we as People Set. The Penalty Could be Death, Jail. Look at History & See what Happened to The People who didn't Live Right (Regardless of Religion) & See The Brutal Ends They Met. Hitler, Saddam...Both Men of God I Might Add! This is Hot The Standard got Set...We're Social Creatures. We See That Murder, Rape, Stealing, Slavery & a Host of Other Things Just weren't Good & We Said No More & Set Laws to Prevent them. Life is Trial & Error

 

[LUClEN]

I honestly used to believe but let go of my belief once i realized that I was never going to get any proof for god.

As a young misguided believer, I would speak to god thinking I would receive a response some day.

By the time I hit college I was done waiting for a god that either does not care to respond or can not respond.

This quote from the movie "the grey" embodies that really well.

Do something. Do something. You phony prick fraudulent motherfucker. Do something! Come on! Prove it! Fuck faith! Earn it! Show me something real! I need it now. Not later. Now! Show me and I'll believe in you until the day I die. I swear. I'm calling on you. I'm calling on you! Fuck it. I'll do it myself.

 

[alissowack]

@maestro_lungs. The reasons those questions don't concern me is because it does not answer to what matters. There is something wrong with the world. Of all the advances intellectually and technologically, people still do bad things and it doesn't matter if someone is religious or irreligious. Why is that? You say morality is subjective and yet you say (well, you say that science says) that at the core is a set of morals we all share; which suggest there is an objectiveness to morality; that regardless of what anybody says, these core morals are ones we should take heed to. And if we are violating those core moral values, what are we doing to stop it? Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves (in respect to the things we consider good about who we are). And you got people who seek an identity in things that are destructive...again regardless of religion. Why do we do that?

And if this is indeed the work of evolution, when is the change gonna come? What hope is there for us worms to get to a point in our lives where we can reap the benefits of what Nature is suppose to sow? If that change is millions of years away from now, then why wait until that time comes? Why live for a distant future when we can live for now? If this is a matter of survival, then we have the freedom by any means.

Now, for the most part this a just me "ranting". But, I believe that these points can't be avoided. And...again you just think the religious are just tricksters. Again, I believe God has answered those questions through the Bible and because of that I believe He exists.

What are You Basing that there is Something wrong with The World on? Bad News, Murder...Been here as Long as Good. There's Nothing Wrong with The World...Stop Letting Your Religion & God Blind you! People do Bad Things & People do Good things...Human Nature, The Yin & The Yang, But Once you Start to Live Life & Stop Letting Sky daddy Hold you Back Life is Beautiful & You See There is More Good in the World Than Bad! We all share a Core Morals, Cause we Set our Standards of Morality. People Doing Bad & Good didn't Start in The Bible...it Was Happening way Before Then. We as People have set the Standards Your Book trys to make you Think it did! I Know You wanted to Sound Deep with this Line ( Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? ) You didn't! You ain't Gotta Know Yourself to Be Naturally who You are & I Really Think this Line is Why You Believe ( There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves) You Scared to ask the Real Hard Questions, Cause someone Might think you got doubt.

We as People are Evolving outta needing a God & Religion. We Slow here in America, But Look at the Countries that Have Put Religion & God on the Back Burner. They are Prospering way more than we are. You want Change? Put your Silly Books up & Stop Believing in Santa & The Spook in the Sky & Live Life....Trust me, You won't kill nobody...lol

I have made it clear that regardless of religion, bad things happen meaning at a certain point we do agree. I was not making a case in my last post that the Bible was a moral standard (it's way more than that), but yet you made it about that. We've spend quite some time talking about the things that don't effect how people live. I wonder the same about you with this blindness. We live in a world in which you say "we" set the standard, and yet there is no reason to take heed to the standard if we can be "tricked" into lowering the standard or getting rid of a standard once and for all. But, you seem to feel it is natural that we do that...until someone does something you feel is wrong and expect them to acknowledge that what he or she did was wrong. You say the heart and mind can't be trusted and yet you offer "trust". How is that? Regardless of how "deep" I may sound, identity is still important and it's much bigger than genetics.

There is a Reason to Take Heed to The Standard, The Law we as People Set. The Penalty Could be Death, Jail. Look at History & See what Happened to The People who didn't Live Right (Regardless of Religion) & See The Brutal Ends They Met. Hitler, Saddam...Both Men of God I Might Add! This is Hot The Standard got Set...We're Social Creatures. We See That Murder, Rape, Stealing, Slavery & a Host of Other Things Just weren't Good & We Said No More & Set Laws to Prevent them. Life is Trial & Error

If memory serves me, Hitler didn't give his victims the satisfaction of justice. Suicide I think. I don't particularly see why you mention them as men of God...when it doesn't matter. Murder is murder whether it is done by a religious fanatic or a gang member. But what reason is there to fear death if we have people that don't care if they die for their wrongdoings? Or...why even suggest that death is a consequence when some people would gladly die than to face something they don't particularly like about life? There is something particularly unsatisfying about feeling as if death is seen as a favor by the one that is being punished.

We have set standards, but it doesn't stop (and it isn't going to stop) people from going against the standard. Why is that? Why is it that even though we have these so-called core morals, that we continue to "break the rules"?

 

[maestro_lungs]

@maestro_lungs. The reasons those questions don't concern me is because it does not answer to what matters. There is something wrong with the world. Of all the advances intellectually and technologically, people still do bad things and it doesn't matter if someone is religious or irreligious. Why is that? You say morality is subjective and yet you say (well, you say that science says) that at the core is a set of morals we all share; which suggest there is an objectiveness to morality; that regardless of what anybody says, these core morals are ones we should take heed to. And if we are violating those core moral values, what are we doing to stop it? Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves (in respect to the things we consider good about who we are). And you got people who seek an identity in things that are destructive...again regardless of religion. Why do we do that?

And if this is indeed the work of evolution, when is the change gonna come? What hope is there for us worms to get to a point in our lives where we can reap the benefits of what Nature is suppose to sow? If that change is millions of years away from now, then why wait until that time comes? Why live for a distant future when we can live for now? If this is a matter of survival, then we have the freedom by any means.

Now, for the most part this a just me "ranting". But, I believe that these points can't be avoided. And...again you just think the religious are just tricksters. Again, I believe God has answered those questions through the Bible and because of that I believe He exists.

What are You Basing that there is Something wrong with The World on? Bad News, Murder...Been here as Long as Good. There's Nothing Wrong with The World...Stop Letting Your Religion & God Blind you! People do Bad Things & People do Good things...Human Nature, The Yin & The Yang, But Once you Start to Live Life & Stop Letting Sky daddy Hold you Back Life is Beautiful & You See There is More Good in the World Than Bad! We all share a Core Morals, Cause we Set our Standards of Morality. People Doing Bad & Good didn't Start in The Bible...it Was Happening way Before Then. We as People have set the Standards Your Book trys to make you Think it did! I Know You wanted to Sound Deep with this Line ( Identity is important. If we don't know who we are, then how can we be ourselves? ) You didn't! You ain't Gotta Know Yourself to Be Naturally who You are & I Really Think this Line is Why You Believe ( There are people that live a lie not because they want to, but because they don't want others to condemn them for being themselves) You Scared to ask the Real Hard Questions, Cause someone Might think you got doubt.

We as People are Evolving outta needing a God & Religion. We Slow here in America, But Look at the Countries that Have Put Religion & God on the Back Burner. They are Prospering way more than we are. You want Change? Put your Silly Books up & Stop Believing in Santa & The Spook in the Sky & Live Life....Trust me, You won't kill nobody...lol

I have made it clear that regardless of religion, bad things happen meaning at a certain point we do agree. I was not making a case in my last post that the Bible was a moral standard (it's way more than that), but yet you made it about that. We've spend quite some time talking about the things that don't effect how people live. I wonder the same about you with this blindness. We live in a world in which you say "we" set the standard, and yet there is no reason to take heed to the standard if we can be "tricked" into lowering the standard or getting rid of a standard once and for all. But, you seem to feel it is natural that we do that...until someone does something you feel is wrong and expect them to acknowledge that what he or she did was wrong. You say the heart and mind can't be trusted and yet you offer "trust". How is that? Regardless of how "deep" I may sound, identity is still important and it's much bigger than genetics.

There is a Reason to Take Heed to The Standard, The Law we as People Set. The Penalty Could be Death, Jail. Look at History & See what Happened to The People who didn't Live Right (Regardless of Religion) & See The Brutal Ends They Met. Hitler, Saddam...Both Men of God I Might Add! This is Hot The Standard got Set...We're Social Creatures. We See That Murder, Rape, Stealing, Slavery & a Host of Other Things Just weren't Good & We Said No More & Set Laws to Prevent them. Life is Trial & Error

If memory serves me, Hitler didn't give his victims the satisfaction of justice. Suicide I think. I don't particularly see why you mention them as men of God...when it doesn't matter. Murder is murder whether it is done by a religious fanatic or a gang member. But what reason is there to fear death if we have people that don't care if they die for their wrongdoings? Or...why even suggest that death is a consequence when some people would gladly die than to face something they don't particularly like about life? There is something particularly unsatisfying about feeling as if death is seen as a favor by the one that is being punished.

We have set standards, but it doesn't stop (and it isn't going to stop) people from going against the standard. Why is that? Why is it that even though we have these so-called core morals, that we continue to "break the rules"?

No I mention Hitler as a Man of God to say his Religion didn't stop Him & In Case of Saddam or Some of The Other Extremist They Idea of God Might of Enhance it, Who said Anything About Fearing Death? The Majority of People Care About Life & Don't wanna Die, Unless You Believe in a God & Thinks Your God Commands you to Marty Yourself! A Person Who Kills Himself is Mentally Disturbed & For All Kinds of Reasons some People are Born Like This or Have Let They Idea of God Make Them do This. Why Even Believe if Your God isn't Preventing or Has no Influence or Has Bad Influence?

 

[alissowack]

@maestro_lungs. In your "standards" argument, you suggest that there are consequences for our actions. You mentioned death and jail. And I'm essentially saying there are people who look at that and say...who cares? Why is that? It's not even about suicide. It's about knowing that we are all going to die someday and for some people death is more appealing than life. Why is that? I could guess why. Maybe death is an excuse to get away from what life has to offer in respect to dealing with the struggles and pains; that death means you no longer have to deal with it anymore. I believe that death is not the "escape" that we make it out to be though, but that's another story.

You say a majority of people care about life, but what is it about life that they should care? What is the benefit of living a life we will never hold on to when we die?

 

[maestro_lungs]

@maestro_lungs. In your "standards" argument, you suggest that there are consequences for our actions. You mentioned death and jail. And I'm essentially saying there are people who look at that and say...who cares? Why is that? It's not even about suicide. It's about knowing that we are all going to die someday and for some people death is more appealing than life. Why is that? I could guess why. Maybe death is an excuse to get away from what life has to offer in respect to dealing with the struggles and pains; that death means you no longer have to deal with it anymore. I believe that death is not the "escape" that we make it out to be though, but that's another story.

You say a majority of people care about life, but what is it about life that they should care? What is the benefit of living a life we will never hold on to when we die?

They Look at Jail or Death & Says who Cares, Being Religious or Not. Religion doesn't Stop That, So What is Your Point! I Answered it..That is Human Nature! Some People are Disturbed! Far as Death Being More Appealing Than Life, You Don't Think Religion encourages that Kind of Behavior with Talks of a Afterlife? I Tend to Find People without a Belief in God live Happier Lives & Rarely think or Talk About Death! The Benefit of Living a Life, We Never Hold on to is The Mark you Leave for Future Generations & Knowing you Helped Build this World. You Look like You're searching for a Meaning or Purpose & That's Cool, But Religion or God can't Provide that in The Best way Possible Life itself has no purpose, nor should it. Life is a window of time and an opportunity for us to do meaningful things and find a purpose. It is up to ourselves to find our own purpose and meaning in life, such things are not predetermined by someone or something else. As long as there are problems to be solved, hunger to lessen, illness to cure, pain to minimize, or oppression to resist there is meaning in life. As long as there are goals to reach, knowledge to gain, beauty to create and appreciate, places to explore, love or dreams to seek after there is meaning in life. If you want meaning in your life then do something meaningful.

 

[alissowack]

@maestro_lungs. In your "standards" argument, you suggest that there are consequences for our actions. You mentioned death and jail. And I'm essentially saying there are people who look at that and say...who cares? Why is that? It's not even about suicide. It's about knowing that we are all going to die someday and for some people death is more appealing than life. Why is that? I could guess why. Maybe death is an excuse to get away from what life has to offer in respect to dealing with the struggles and pains; that death means you no longer have to deal with it anymore. I believe that death is not the "escape" that we make it out to be though, but that's another story.

You say a majority of people care about life, but what is it about life that they should care? What is the benefit of living a life we will never hold on to when we die?

They Look at Jail or Death & Says who Cares, Being Religious or Not. Religion doesn't Stop That, So What is Your Point! I Answered it..That is Human Nature! Some People are Disturbed! Far as Death Being More Appealing Than Life, You Don't Think Religion encourages that Kind of Behavior with Talks of a Afterlife? I Tend to Find People without a Belief in God live Happier Lives & Rarely think or Talk About Death! The Benefit of Living a Life, We Never Hold on to is The Mark you Leave for Future Generations & Knowing you Helped Build this World. You Look like You're searching for a Meaning or Purpose & That's Cool, But Religion or God can't Provide that in The Best way Possible Life itself has no purpose, nor should it. Life is a window of time and an opportunity for us to do meaningful things and find a purpose. It is up to ourselves to find our own purpose and meaning in life, such things are not predetermined by someone or something else. As long as there are problems to be solved, hunger to lessen, illness to cure, pain to minimize, or oppression to resist there is meaning in life. As long as there are goals to reach, knowledge to gain, beauty to create and appreciate, places to explore, love or dreams to seek after there is meaning in life. If you want meaning in your life then do something meaningful.

Well, if this is indeed human nature, then why care about their motives? Why put up this argument about what "God" has done to this world when it is actually what we are "naturally" doing to ourselves? Maybe having disturbed minds is natural. Maybe having people killed or be martyred in the name of God is natural. Maybe we make rules and break them because...well, we just naturally do so. I'm very much aware of death being used as an excuse in religion...I just thought maybe you get that "it doesn't matter" by now. And there you go with making truth claims; God can't provide...it has no purpose, nor should it...things are not predetermined by someone or something else. You want to make this point, but you don't want to deal with what it entails; that you have absolute truth.

Back to death...what is the purpose of finding meaning if it "dies" along with the person? Why seek cures, minimize pain, resist oppression when in the end we die?

 

[maestro_lungs]

@maestro_lungs. In your "standards" argument, you suggest that there are consequences for our actions. You mentioned death and jail. And I'm essentially saying there are people who look at that and say...who cares? Why is that? It's not even about suicide. It's about knowing that we are all going to die someday and for some people death is more appealing than life. Why is that? I could guess why. Maybe death is an excuse to get away from what life has to offer in respect to dealing with the struggles and pains; that death means you no longer have to deal with it anymore. I believe that death is not the "escape" that we make it out to be though, but that's another story.

You say a majority of people care about life, but what is it about life that they should care? What is the benefit of living a life we will never hold on to when we die?

They Look at Jail or Death & Says who Cares, Being Religious or Not. Religion doesn't Stop That, So What is Your Point! I Answered it..That is Human Nature! Some People are Disturbed! Far as Death Being More Appealing Than Life, You Don't Think Religion encourages that Kind of Behavior with Talks of a Afterlife? I Tend to Find People without a Belief in God live Happier Lives & Rarely think or Talk About Death! The Benefit of Living a Life, We Never Hold on to is The Mark you Leave for Future Generations & Knowing you Helped Build this World. You Look like You're searching for a Meaning or Purpose & That's Cool, But Religion or God can't Provide that in The Best way Possible Life itself has no purpose, nor should it. Life is a window of time and an opportunity for us to do meaningful things and find a purpose. It is up to ourselves to find our own purpose and meaning in life, such things are not predetermined by someone or something else. As long as there are problems to be solved, hunger to lessen, illness to cure, pain to minimize, or oppression to resist there is meaning in life. As long as there are goals to reach, knowledge to gain, beauty to create and appreciate, places to explore, love or dreams to seek after there is meaning in life. If you want meaning in your life then do something meaningful.

Well, if this is indeed human nature, then why care about their motives? Why put up this argument about what "God" has done to this world when it is actually what we are "naturally" doing to ourselves? Maybe having disturbed minds is natural. Maybe having people killed or be martyred in the name of God is natural. Maybe we make rules and break them because...well, we just naturally do so. I'm very much aware of death being used as an excuse in religion...I just thought maybe you get that "it doesn't matter" by now. And there you go with making truth claims; God can't provide...it has no purpose, nor should it...things are not predetermined by someone or something else. You want to make this point, but you don't want to deal with what it entails; that you have absolute truth.

Back to death...what is the purpose of finding meaning if it "dies" along with the person? Why seek cures, minimize pain, resist oppression when in the end we die?

It's Not What God has Done to the world, Cause There is No God! It's Man Belief in God & It's Religions are what we Argue about! Being Disturbed or deformed is Very Much Natural, Just as You see it in Nature, But Killing Yourself for a God is Not. That is The Work of Man Made Things. We Seek to Find Cures & all That, Because that is Natural to Want to Understand the World Around us. It's no Absolute Truth, It's Just Common Sense & Reasoning that Even if you Believe in a God, You'd Have to Feel This is What he Gave it to you for, To Reason & Make Rational Decisions, That's Why we Seek to Minimize Pain, So Our Sick Don't Suffer & Resist Oppression, Cause We've Seen The Results of it & Our Natural Instinct of Compassion takes over.

 

[alissowack]

@maestro_lungs. That was what I was implying when I put God in quotations...that it is what religion has done. What do you mean that the killing of oneself for God is not "natural"? You are essentially saying that one person's suicide is more natural than another. What makes someone dying for God better than someone dying for any other reason? Suicide is suicide. And given that man is a part of natural, how could we not do something natural? How can we go against Nature? Nature allows for everything to happen no matter what it is...even believing in God. So why rob somebody of something that is only natural to do...even if it results in violence?

 

[maestro_lungs]

@maestro_lungs. That was what I was implying when I put God in quotations...that it is what religion has done. What do you mean that the killing of oneself for God is not "natural"? You are essentially saying that one person's suicide is more natural than another. What makes someone dying for God better than someone dying for any other reason? Suicide is suicide. And given that man is a part of natural, how could we not do something natural? How can we go against Nature? Nature allows for everything to happen no matter what it is...even believing in God. So why rob somebody of something that is only natural to do...even if it results in violence?

It's Not Natural to Kill Yourself Period. Whether it be For a God or Just Cause you want to. How did you get to asking me if Someone Dying for God is More Natural or Better? I Never said That & Not sure how you got to Asking me That. It's Wrong Either way. I'm Saying Belief Has & Can Put People on The Level with The Mentally Disturbed & Made Them Sacrifice They Lives for God or Gods. Nature Doesn't Allow for Belief in Gods. Nature can be Explained & Shown How it works. Your God Can't & Supposedly works in Mysterious Ways

 

[alissowack]

@maestro_lungs. Well, in your "God does not exist" rant, you say that someone killing themselves for a God is not (natural). There was nothing indication that you thought that there was anything wrong with suicide period...until your last post.

Unfortunately, nature has not stopped people from believing in God. Why is that? Is Nature like what people say of God...not there when things go wrong? What can nature do to "de-convert" the minds of the religious? Why should nature care?

 

[VIBE]

Do you find it okay to kill non-believers? Whores? People who use gods name in vein? Homosexuals?

Why was it okay for god to do?

 

[alissowack]

@VIBE. Maybe if I didn't believe that all of mankind is deserving of God's Judgememt and Wrath, I would feel a certain way about that question. Funny thing though...there was a certain post made by somebody in an attempt to question Christianity that affirms this. I just don't remember if it was on this thread.

 

[maestro_lungs]

@maestro_lungs. Well, in your "God does not exist" rant, you say that someone killing themselves for a God is not (natural). There was nothing indication that you thought that there was anything wrong with suicide period...until your last post.

Unfortunately, nature has not stopped people from believing in God. Why is that? Is Nature like what people say of God...not there when things go wrong? What can nature do to "de-convert" the minds of the religious? Why should nature care?

Nature has Stopped some People from Believing in God. Among Biologist the Belief in god is like at 7%. You Do Know, So People Really Believe that Ignorance is Bliss & Prefer not to Know How Things Work & Rather have Things Told to Them. Religious People Especially. How Many People You Know Who to Church Regularly, But Never Read the Bible from Front to Back. The Only Things They Read is what the Preacher Recites or Instructs them to Read! Why Should Nature Care?

 

[maestro_lungs]

Well, I've seen with my own two eyes ghosts on multiple occasions. I also think my prior post went under your comprehension radar. Just because something is intangible, does not mean it is non-existent. Word to the "Higgs-Boson and other sub-particles

Well since YOU Seen Ghost with your own 2 Eyes, They Must be True Huh?...lol