Who is the biggest "crab in a barrel" in Hip Hop?

[soul rattler]

I got love for Jay, but 'D.O.A.' and 'The Story of OJ' were both blatant shots at popular black culture/music at the time. I didn't like that T-Pain had to suffer due to D.O.A. I know he's trying to have a mature message, viewpoint, but he should be able to recognize that he's got a powerful impact that may have negative circumstances for other trying to get money. T-Pain aint been the same since...

DOA was literally about everybody EXCEPT T-Pain.

He said "You T-Paining too much." The person that should've been happy about that song was the guy whose style was being run into the ground by every rapper and singer looking for a hit single.

If everybody started copying Michael Jackson, and I said "stop copying Michael Jackson ", that's not telling Michael Jackson to stop being himself. That's telling everyone else to stop being him.

I don't know why after all these years, that's still so hard to understand.

Now this I disagree with. I think it was meant for one specific person. Definitely not T-Pain, but not everyone that was using autotune at the time.

He used auto tune it ain't work then dissed it … crab mentality

The example you gave of Jay using autotune was him saying

"Put a little t-pain on my shit too

I put oooooooooon

I don't need no t-pain

I got this"

He was poking fun at it. Or do you not get how mocking works?

 

[soul rattler]

I got love for Jay, but 'D.O.A.' and 'The Story of OJ' were both blatant shots at popular black culture/music at the time. I didn't like that T-Pain had to suffer due to D.O.A. I know he's trying to have a mature message, viewpoint, but he should be able to recognize that he's got a powerful impact that may have negative circumstances for other trying to get money. T-Pain aint been the same since...

DOA was literally about everybody EXCEPT T-Pain.

He said "You T-Paining too much." The person that should've been happy about that song was the guy whose style was being run into the ground by every rapper and singer looking for a hit single.

If everybody started copying Michael Jackson, and I said "stop copying Michael Jackson ", that's not telling Michael Jackson to stop being himself. That's telling everyone else to stop being him.

I don't know why after all these years, that's still so hard to understand.

Now this I disagree with. I think it was meant for one specific person. Definitely not T-Pain, but not everyone that was using autotune at the time.

Who was it meant for then?

 

[Matike85]

Beyonce & Jay Z- Disses subliminal toward other artists which are Drake, T-Pain, Nas, Mase, Keri Hilson, Letoya Luckett, Keyshia Cole, Rihanna, Kanye West, & Future

Jay Z




Beyoncé




Jay Z & Beyonce

Beyonce doesn't write most of it not the majority of her songs. Hell "Shining" was written by Party Next Door

But Beyonce controls what she sings about

 

[Karl.]

I don't think a lot of you know what the phrase "crab in a barrel" means.

 

[MorganFreemanKing]

I got love for Jay, but 'D.O.A.' and 'The Story of OJ' were both blatant shots at popular black culture/music at the time. I didn't like that T-Pain had to suffer due to D.O.A. I know he's trying to have a mature message, viewpoint, but he should be able to recognize that he's got a powerful impact that may have negative circumstances for other trying to get money. T-Pain aint been the same since...

DOA was literally about everybody EXCEPT T-Pain.

He said "You T-Paining too much." The person that should've been happy about that song was the guy whose style was being run into the ground by every rapper and singer looking for a hit single.

If everybody started copying Michael Jackson, and I said "stop copying Michael Jackson ", that's not telling Michael Jackson to stop being himself. That's telling everyone else to stop being him.

I don't know why after all these years, that's still so hard to understand.

Now this I disagree with. I think it was meant for one specific person. Definitely not T-Pain, but not everyone that was using autotune at the time.

Who was it meant for then?

I think it was specifically meant for Ron Browz, aka "Etherboy". Dude still produces but hasn't made much noise since.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Jay could say "Remember to hug your mother" and some of y'all would punch her in the face just to spite him.

Jay Z told niggas to wear button ups and you came out the house like

 

[5 Grand]

Here's my $0.02 on Jay.

He works with people when the project is mutually beneficial. He handles his business and doesn't hold anybody's hand. If that person (Cam, Beans, Dame, Jay Electronica, etc.) can't hold their own weight he doesn't try to pull them up. He moves on and makes sure his business is straight like Six O'clock.

You can't blame him. He's pushing 50. How would he look trying to help somebody else get established at this stage in the game? He has a good 30 years experience and I'm sure he can tell when he's doing business with somebody that thinking about the long term goals vs somebody that's just riding the wave and going with the flow (State Property, Dipset?).

I see Jay like this; If he thinks there's money to be made he'll do business with you. But he's not going to do YOUR work for you. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Those cats in Dipset and State Property were in the best position they could possibly be in and they squandered their opportunity. Or maybe they just wanted 15 minutes of fame.

 

[soul rattler]

Jay could say "Remember to hug your mother" and some of y'all would punch her in the face just to spite him.

Jay Z told niggas to wear button ups and you came out the house like

Nah real niggas refused and kept rocking things like

Spoiler

https://www.google.com/search?q=sagging+pants&client=ms-android-sprint-us&source=android-browser&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_kt7nmsbVAhVG6oMKHRxPA08Q_AUICSgB&biw=412&bih=604&dpr=2.63

Much better, right?

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Jay could say "Remember to hug your mother" and some of y'all would punch her in the face just to spite him.

Jay Z told niggas to wear button ups and you came out the house like

Nah real niggas refused and kept rocking things like

Spoiler

https://www.google.com/search?q=sagging+pants&client=ms-android-sprint-us&source=android-browser&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_kt7nmsbVAhVG6oMKHRxPA08Q_AUICSgB&biw=412&bih=604&dpr=2.63

Much better, right?

This a false dilemma fallacy my G, come back harder nh

 

[anduin]

50 cent crabby but he's more on some petty shit, other dudes like Suge have robbed and ruined people's careers. You could make a case for a lot of the higher powered rap stars using their clout to shut things down that weren't in their favor as crabby but sometimes it's just business.

 

[aneed123]

Here's my $0.02 on Jay.

He works with people when the project is mutually beneficial. He handles his business and doesn't hold anybody's hand. If that person (Cam, Beans, Dame, Jay Electronica, etc.) can't hold their own weight he doesn't try to pull them up. He moves on and makes sure his business is straight like Six O'clock.

You can't blame him. He's pushing 50. How would he look trying to help somebody else get established at this stage in the game? He has a good 30 years experience and I'm sure he can tell when he's doing business with somebody that thinking about the long term goals vs somebody that's just riding the wave and going with the flow (State Property, Dipset?).

I see Jay like this; If he thinks there's money to be made he'll do business with you. But he's not going to do YOUR work for you. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Those cats in Dipset and State Property were in the best position they could possibly be in and they squandered their opportunity. Or maybe they just wanted 15 minutes of fame.

Aka he a user... user ur swag style flow movement etc... asnd then if u a threat comp wise or he don't need u nor more he distances himself.

 

[trendsetta1030]

Here's my $0.02 on Jay.

He works with people when the project is mutually beneficial. He handles his business and doesn't hold anybody's hand. If that person (Cam, Beans, Dame, Jay Electronica, etc.) can't hold their own weight he doesn't try to pull them up. He moves on and makes sure his business is straight like Six O'clock.

You can't blame him. He's pushing 50. How would he look trying to help somebody else get established at this stage in the game? He has a good 30 years experience and I'm sure he can tell when he's doing business with somebody that thinking about the long term goals vs somebody that's just riding the wave and going with the flow (State Property, Dipset?).

I see Jay like this; If he thinks there's money to be made he'll do business with you. But he's not going to do YOUR work for you. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Those cats in Dipset and State Property were in the best position they could possibly be in and they squandered their opportunity. Or maybe they just wanted 15 minutes of fame.

Beans help jay set of the roc he came right after vol1…state prop made the clothing line hot…Dame was behind all the films … non of state prop had a direct line 2 jay but beans n chris…when jay was in beef wit d block&nas he brought sp 2 hot97 and didn't say 4wat till they got ther he told them to diss dblock&nas… jay did not want to get on no records unless it was beans or chris… jayz never cleared up records 4 sp to make them single… jay try to jump on the oh boy remix got mad cam said take that shit off… h to the izzo was originally 4 cam but he ain't like the beat…dipset was not signed 2 the roc only can… only ones officially sign 2 the roc frm sp was beans,chris,freeway…the jay dick riden in here sum serious… but wat can I say wit out jay ny ain't got nothin as of 2017

 

[trendsetta1030]

Somebody already said it, but some of you don't get what the "crab in a barrel" metaphor is.

50 Cent literally had a song themed "If I can't do it, then it can't be done" on his VERY FIRST mainstream album. You can say "How To Rob" was just a gimmick or joke, but how do you defend him using that same tactic for attention throughout his entire career to this very day?

Meanwhile, Jay, on a freestyle to that same song said

"I take the pain from my life, pour it all inside

Take my strain and my strife, take my ego and pride

Used it to kick down the door, brought my people inside"

That is the exact opposite of a crab in a barrel mentality. Its not that Jay didn't want Kanye to outshine him, maybe its possible he just didn't see the potential in him at first. That's not the same. And let's stop acting like Dame believed in Ye. He signed him for the beats and calculated it a worthwhile risk to put out his album... no different then anybody else at Rocafella including bum ass Amil and Peedi. I'm not praising Dame for saying "Yeah... sure... fuck it"

So 50 is a crab because he said in a song "if I can't do it then it can't be done"? that is just a line boasting about how great he is most rappers do it, it's not about what a person says it's about what they do, 50 recording buck crying on the phone is the only evidence to label 50 a crab, Jay on the other hand has a list full of crab shit, like the time he went at Nas when his mother was dying and Nas head was messed up, bragging about leaving condoms on baby seats? if I really put my mind to it I could shut this thread down but I just don't wanna waste the brain power on you Jigga stans, quick somebody get ILLBOT to kick me from the thread before I really go to town on your idol.

Crab in a berral

Jayz>50

The fuck is a berral?

Cut tha goofy shit out you kno wat I ment

 

[emanuel08]

50 had beef wit his son

 

[GetoBoy]

You can tell sum niggas just saying Jay out of hate the question could be who's the worse dad in hip hop and niggaz would find a way to make the answer Jay...... I be wondering what did he do to some of y'all becuz y'all hate be too major to not involve something personal happening

 

[qawshun]

Here's my $0.02 on Jay.

He works with people when the project is mutually beneficial. He handles his business and doesn't hold anybody's hand. If that person (Cam, Beans, Dame, Jay Electronica, etc.) can't hold their own weight he doesn't try to pull them up. He moves on and makes sure his business is straight like Six O'clock.

You can't blame him. He's pushing 50. How would he look trying to help somebody else get established at this stage in the game? He has a good 30 years experience and I'm sure he can tell when he's doing business with somebody that thinking about the long term goals vs somebody that's just riding the wave and going with the flow (State Property, Dipset?).

I see Jay like this; If he thinks there's money to be made he'll do business with you. But he's not going to do YOUR work for you. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Those cats in Dipset and State Property were in the best position they could possibly be in and they squandered their opportunity. Or maybe they just wanted 15 minutes of fame.

Beans help jay set of the roc he came right after vol1…state prop made the clothing line hot…Dame was behind all the films … non of state prop had a direct line 2 jay but beans n chris…when jay was in beef wit d block&nas he brought sp 2 hot97 and didn't say 4wat till they got ther he told them to diss dblock&nas… jay did not want to get on no records unless it was beans or chris… jayz never cleared up records 4 sp to make them single… jay try to jump on the oh boy remix got mad cam said take that shit off… h to the izzo was originally 4 cam but he ain't like the beat…dipset was not signed 2 the roc only can… only ones officially sign 2 the roc frm sp was beans,chris,freeway…the jay dick riden in here sum serious… but wat can I say wit out jay ny ain't got nothin as of 2017

Lol what contribution did beans do that set the roc off that jay going 5x plat after. I know you don't mean a beans feature ?? Or beans 1st lp that wouldn't have went gold without anything on it ? Roc a wear was before sp clothing which i honestly never seen anyone wear. Everyone that be around you don't need your number especially when they weren't even that close to each other. Chris beans and free where the only hot niggas on sp imo. Heart of the city was suppose to be dmx, j Cole had stay before nas, ghostface had American dreaming before jay who had a beat 1st and turned it down don't matter. There's video of jay turning down one of ludas hits. So with beans getting to sign people from his city and eat off and with them isn't better than them signing to the roc and beans is left to fend for himself. They gave him every chance you could get and all he did was barely go gold. Despite putting out great albums. That diss nas and nem was a general sending troops to war. Like esco tried with mob and who ever was going up there.

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

You can tell sum niggas just saying Jay out of hate the question could be who's the worse dad in hip hop and niggaz would find a way to make the answer Jay...... I be wondering what did he do to some of y'all becuz y'all hate be too major to not involve something personal happening

I don't get it. But those same people think the reasonable non haters are stans. Madness

 

[5 Grand]

Here's my $0.02 on Jay.

He works with people when the project is mutually beneficial. He handles his business and doesn't hold anybody's hand. If that person (Cam, Beans, Dame, Jay Electronica, etc.) can't hold their own weight he doesn't try to pull them up. He moves on and makes sure his business is straight like Six O'clock.

You can't blame him. He's pushing 50. How would he look trying to help somebody else get established at this stage in the game? He has a good 30 years experience and I'm sure he can tell when he's doing business with somebody that thinking about the long term goals vs somebody that's just riding the wave and going with the flow (State Property, Dipset?).

I see Jay like this; If he thinks there's money to be made he'll do business with you. But he's not going to do YOUR work for you. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Those cats in Dipset and State Property were in the best position they could possibly be in and they squandered their opportunity. Or maybe they just wanted 15 minutes of fame.

Beans help jay set of the roc he came right after vol1…state prop made the clothing line hot…Dame was behind all the films … non of state prop had a direct line 2 jay but beans n chris…when jay was in beef wit d block&nas he brought sp 2 hot97 and didn't say 4wat till they got ther he told them to diss dblock&nas… jay did not want to get on no records unless it was beans or chris… jayz never cleared up records 4 sp to make them single… jay try to jump on the oh boy remix got mad cam said take that shit off… h to the izzo was originally 4 cam but he ain't like the beat…dipset was not signed 2 the roc only can… only ones officially sign 2 the roc frm sp was beans,chris,freeway…the jay dick riden in here sum serious… but wat can I say wit out jay ny ain't got nothin as of 2017

I think you missed my point.

Them cats on The Roc were probably lazy. If Jay notices they don't show up to events on time, or that they smoke too much weed, or all they do is smoke weed Jay isn't obligated to do anything for them. All Jay can really do is make sure the engineer at the studio gets paid, but he can't help it if the artists don't show up on time, or if they can't come up with a hook to match their verses.

Jay knows how to make a hit record. There's a difference between being able to craft a nice 16 and knowing how to craft a hot song. If those cats that were signed to his label couldn't make hits then what was he supposed to do?

 

[soul rattler]

People that 50 Cent has, in one way or another, has attempted to bring or keep down out of spite, jealousy, or insecurity:

Ja Rule

Irv Gotti

Ashanti

Murder Inc. as a label

Cam'Ron

Koch Records

Diddy

Shyne

Bad Boy as a label

Ciroc as a company

Jay Z

Def Jam

Game

Lloyd Banks

Young Buck

Fat Joe

Remy Ma

Jadakiss

D-Block

The cast of Empire

Joe Budden

Lauryn Hill

Benzino

Kanye West

Bang Em Smurf

Dr. Dre

his own son Marquise Jackson

 

[Mr.LV]

People that 50 Cent has, in one way or another, has attempted to bring or keep down out of spite, jealousy, or insecurity:

Ja Rule

Irv Gotti

Ashanti

Murder Inc. as a label

Cam'Ron

Koch Records

Diddy

Shyne

Bad Boy as a label

Ciroc as a company

Jay Z

Def Jam

Game

Lloyd Banks

Young Buck

Fat Joe

Remy Ma

Jadakiss

D-Block

The cast of Empire

Joe Budden

Lauryn Hill

Benzino

Kanye West

Bang Em Smurf

Dr. Dre

his own son Marquise Jackson

Lil Kim with the magic stick video as well