who better overall Big Pun or Biggie

[ocelot]

It's Pun and Bigg because its two fat niggas who died with 2 albums...

 

[rapmastermind]

It's Pun and Bigg because its two fat niggas who died with 2 albums...

This is the 1,000th "My favorite rapper doesn't get the attention as Biggie >>>>>> Is better than Biggie" thread on this Board. LOL, Seriously. Big gets this comparisons cause he is considered GOAT status. What hurts Pun the most in the debate is after CP, "Yeah Baby" was lackluster. Sure it may or may not have been complete but he was not spitting as dope on his sophomore as his debut. Big improved flow wise and lyrically so he grew. We have Super Lyrical Pun on CP then Average Pun on Yeah Baby. Sure he had health issues but it is what it is. Big only got better as he went along.

 

[CirocObama]

I dont think this a popularity contest at all.

Its a contest of who made more classic songs and was a more well rounded emcee.

The ONLY area where there is universal agreement on Pun being better than BIG is as a lyricist.

Lyrics is only one part of being dope. There's a reason why Immortal Technique, Chino XL, and Canibus aren't in very many top 5 lists.

Pun had classics too again it's just that he only got to live for like 1 and a half year after he started to pop where as Biggie had from 1994 all the way to 1997. When Pun recorded his 2nd album dude was barely living and breathing that's why he died before it came out. That's why that album was subpar. Biggie died too around LAD but it was due to him getting shot. Pun's 1st album is a classic to me and Biggie's 1st album was a classic to me too, LAD as a whole wasn't a classic IMO only a few songs.

The question is as an MC who is the better and niggas gotta be outta they mind if they say Biggie was the better MC. That means niggas really overrate Biggie's skills in here. As a RAPPER Pun was a better. I'm not talking about who made the songs this way or songs that way we're talking as a RAPPER/MC. Just pound for pound.

Niggas can say what they wanna say but any real head know that Pun was better. Doesn't mean that he got to build a legacy bigger than Biggie but as a rapper/mc? Pun was def better than Biggie.

Niggas in here bringing up dumb shit like the way Pun recorded his albums and shit. That was due to him being fat as hell and not being able to breathe otherwise. Dude was bigger AND shorter than Biggie by a shot. Biggie was fat but he wasn't THAT fat compared to Pun and he was like 6'3.

 

[5th Letter]

I like them both but biggie was better overall. Biggie was a multidimensional rapper. He could be complex or simple with his rhymes. He could switch his flow and not to mention he had classic albums.

Big pun could flow, he was lyrical and he made dope records. He just never impacted the game like biggie did.

 

[hide321]

How is Pun better overall as a rapper if it's acknowledged by everyone that Biggie was a better storyteller, was more diverse, and switched up his flow more? Being a better storyteller plays into the "better lyricist" argument. To the one that keeps going on and on about lyrics, you're starting to sound like the Biggie/2Pac Stan you're accusing others of.

 

[DR. JEK]

^ ^ then how come biz markie and slick rick ain't in people top 5 then if story tellin ability gets to triump over superior vocab, slick ass fuck metaphors and having bars ill enough to wear out your rewind button? We might as well say too short better than big pun too then. I respect storytelling but it definately ain't the end and be all of who's a better lyricist.

And people act like Pun just jumped from capitol punishment to yeah baby. People just forget all the dj clue and funk master flex shit and about that terror squad album where the nigga Pun was blackin the fuck out on all them verses. I like to call that album his unofficial second joint but I realize technically I can't do that but we got niggas in this thread actin like the only thing Pun ever spit tight was that deep cover verse. I'm starting to think whole albums of material by Pun is just gettin skimmed over

 

[hide321]

^ ^ then how come biz markie and slick rick ain't in people top 5 then if story tellin ability gets to triump over superior vocab, slick ass fuck metaphors and having bars ill enough to wear out your rewind button? We might as well say too short better than big pun too then. I respect storytelling but it definately ain't the end and be all of who's a better lyricist.

Neither is spittin multis with the same flow for one entire album. You mention those other MCs but forget to mention that Big did have slick ass phors, tight bars, and switched up his flow a lot for with ease. Again, you mention how 2Pac/Big stans are the worse, but you're coming across just as bad as they are by ignoring different aspects for why most here (and outside of the Internet) don't agree with you that Pun was overall better than Big.

Storytelling = BIG

Flows (variations) = BIG

Lyrics = Pun (because you're so bent out of shape about this one I'll give you that. It's at least debatable)

I left out things like impact, opinions of other respected Hip-Hop artists, hit making, etc since you're getting butt hurt about it. But there you have it, looking at just aspects of what makes an MC Biggie has this if you take things objectively. This isn't a Stan refusing to see both sides of the coin, this in an actual breakdown of 2 amazing artists who had short careers.

 

[DR. JEK]

^ ^ then how come biz markie and slick rick ain't in people top 5 then if story tellin ability gets to triump over superior vocab, slick ass fuck metaphors and having bars ill enough to wear out your rewind button? We might as well say too short better than big pun too then. I respect storytelling but it definately ain't the end and be all of who's a better lyricist.

Neither is spittin multis with the same flow for one entire album. You mention those other MCs but forget to mention that Big did have slick ass phors, tight bars, and switched up his flow a lot for with ease. Again, you mention how 2Pac/Big stans are the worse, but you're coming across just as bad as they are by ignoring different aspects for why most here (and outside of the Internet) don't agree with you that Pun was overall better than Big.

Storytelling = BIG

Flows (variations) = BIG

Lyrics = Pun (because you're so bent out of shape about this one I'll give you that. It's at least debatable)

I left out things like impact, opinions of other respected Hip-Hop artists, hit making, etc since you're getting butt hurt about it. But there you have it, looking at just aspects of what makes an MC Biggie has this if you take things objectively. This isn't a Stan refusing to see both sides of the coin, this in an actual breakdown of 2 amazing artists who had short careers.

I never said anything in this whole thread about 2 Pac / big stans or whatever you talkin about up there. Biggie did have phors but not as slick and crisp as the ones Pun spat most of the times. I dont know where People are gettin Big wining the Various Flow catagory....only time he's ever changed his delivery was for that Nortorious Thugs joint. You get to switch your flow up ONE TIME and beat a guy who use to switch flows with regularity? what are you people smokin on? my God! LOL. I'll give you the storytelling,... I dont think there's any questions Big win's that, but name one time somebody won a rap battle with a Story. go head, well wait.

 

[hide321]

^ ^ then how come biz markie and slick rick ain't in people top 5 then if story tellin ability gets to triump over superior vocab, slick ass fuck metaphors and having bars ill enough to wear out your rewind button? We might as well say too short better than big pun too then. I respect storytelling but it definately ain't the end and be all of who's a better lyricist.

Neither is spittin multis with the same flow for one entire album. You mention those other MCs but forget to mention that Big did have slick ass phors, tight bars, and switched up his flow a lot for with ease. Again, you mention how 2Pac/Big stans are the worse, but you're coming across just as bad as they are by ignoring different aspects for why most here (and outside of the Internet) don't agree with you that Pun was overall better than Big.

Storytelling = BIG

Flows (variations) = BIG

Lyrics = Pun (because you're so bent out of shape about this one I'll give you that. It's at least debatable)

I left out things like impact, opinions of other respected Hip-Hop artists, hit making, etc since you're getting butt hurt about it. But there you have it, looking at just aspects of what makes an MC Biggie has this if you take things objectively. This isn't a Stan refusing to see both sides of the coin, this in an actual breakdown of 2 amazing artists who had short careers.

I never said anything in this whole thread about 2 Pac / big stans or whatever you talkin about up there. Biggie did have phors but not as slick and crisp as the ones Pun spat most of the times. I dont know where People are gettin Big wining the Various Flow catagory....only time he's ever changed his delivery was for that Nortorious Thugs joint. You get to switch your flow up ONE TIME and beat a guy who use to switch flows with regularity? what are you people smokin on? my God! LOL. I'll give you the storytelling,... I dont think there's any questions Big win's that, but name one time somebody won a rap battle with a Story. go head, well wait.

For starters, I'm seeing now I mixed you up with another poster. I'll add just one more reply to you. Have you ever seen Pun battle? I'm sure he wouldn't sound like he did on Dream Shatterer. If you think otherwise, feel free to post the video. We have at least one battle of Biggie on tape/video to show that Biggie could get it done on a battle tip. You can imagine Pun would sound like Dream Shatterer in a battle all you want, but the reality is he wouldn't. I'm starting to think you're deaf if you think Biggie's only switched his flow once. If you're so certain about that, then no amount of objective reasoning will ever get to you in this argument. Pun had one flow, the Kool G Rap multi syllable flow (unless youre counting the way he rapped for a good portion of Yeah Baby when he had breathing problems) Just say you like Pun more and he dropped one classic, and leave it at that. No one will argue against you on that. In the end, most here and in real life recognize that Biggie was an overall better MC.

 

[nycest_1]

Biggie was WAY better. Biggie created his own lane and styled on dudes with it. Pun is/was garbage. One phrase to describe Pun is "a watered-down G-Rap."

People need to stop trying to rewrite history and understand that Pun is in the same lane as Big L. Before they died nobody gave a fuck about them. They were underground and not relevant back when relevancy was more based on talent, then not.

u mean biggie didn't use krs ones flow? his wordplay? his delivery?

i guess

 

[DR. JEK]

^ ^ then how come biz markie and slick rick ain't in people top 5 then if story tellin ability gets to triump over superior vocab, slick ass fuck metaphors and having bars ill enough to wear out your rewind button? We might as well say too short better than big pun too then. I respect storytelling but it definately ain't the end and be all of who's a better lyricist.

Neither is spittin multis with the same flow for one entire album. You mention those other MCs but forget to mention that Big did have slick ass phors, tight bars, and switched up his flow a lot for with ease. Again, you mention how 2Pac/Big stans are the worse, but you're coming across just as bad as they are by ignoring different aspects for why most here (and outside of the Internet) don't agree with you that Pun was overall better than Big.

Storytelling = BIG

Flows (variations) = BIG

Lyrics = Pun (because you're so bent out of shape about this one I'll give you that. It's at least debatable)

I left out things like impact, opinions of other respected Hip-Hop artists, hit making, etc since you're getting butt hurt about it. But there you have it, looking at just aspects of what makes an MC Biggie has this if you take things objectively. This isn't a Stan refusing to see both sides of the coin, this in an actual breakdown of 2 amazing artists who had short careers.

I never said anything in this whole thread about 2 Pac / big stans or whatever you talkin about up there. Biggie did have phors but not as slick and crisp as the ones Pun spat most of the times. I dont know where People are gettin Big wining the Various Flow catagory....only time he's ever changed his delivery was for that Nortorious Thugs joint. You get to switch your flow up ONE TIME and beat a guy who use to switch flows with regularity? what are you people smokin on? my God! LOL. I'll give you the storytelling,... I dont think there's any questions Big win's that, but name one time somebody won a rap battle with a Story. go head, well wait.

For starters, I'm seeing now I mixed you up with another poster. I'll add just one more reply to you. Have you ever seen Pun battle? I'm sure he wouldn't sound like he did on Dream Shatterer. If you think otherwise, feel free to post the video. We have at least one battle of Biggie on tape/video to show that Biggie could get it done on a battle tip. You can imagine Pun would sound like Dream Shatterer in a battle all you want, but the reality is he wouldn't. I'm starting to think you're deaf if you think Biggie's only switched his flow once. If you're so certain about that, then no amount of objective reasoning will ever get to you in this argument. Pun had one flow, the Kool G Rap multi syllable flow (unless youre counting the way he rapped for a good portion of Yeah Baby when he had breathing problems) Just say you like Pun more and he dropped one classic, and leave it at that. No one will argue against you on that. In the end, most here and in real life recognize that Biggie was an overall better MC.

Nawl man. Im jus thinking alot of you guys have a different definition of what "Flow" is. Busta Rhymes got flow in a since of he often changes his delivery according to the type of track it is. To be honest with you I didn't see Big do that that much. Flow aint necessarilly Multi's, that's it's own Catagory. Bigg had less clarity in the way he said his words and actually sounded like he had flem in the throat alotta times so if you gonna nitpick about breathin problems then dont just gloss over that. I get it tho. You think Big can battle based of that Notorious documentary where they showed him battling some nobody on the streets? that's not Pun he was spittin against. What Happen when Pac called him out? the Nigga keep his mouth shut till after Pac died, that's what happen. Took the nigga 11 mouths after death to come back wit look kiss good knight. You know why Nobody dissed Pun on wax? (i mean he had problems with the Rocafella Cats) It's because people didn't want it with Pun my nigga! Even Wu Tang would spit Bars dissin Bi. He wasn't as ruthless with Vocabulary as Pun. Look I'll acknolege Big had the better overall hits and stuff like that and had more of a machine behind his music(that shit helps) but Shattered Dreams was a joint only a few guys could possibly do to that degree and Big wasn't one of those type of guys. like I said, this thread is basically LL COol J vs Canibus type of deal

 

[SheerExcellence]

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Nawl man. Im jus thinking alot of you guys have a different definition of what "Flow" is. Busta Rhymes got flow in a since of he often changes his delivery according to the type of track it is. To be honest with you I didn't see Big do that that much. Flow aint necessarilly Multi's, that's it's own Catagory. Bigg had less clarity in the way he said his words and actually sounded like he had flem in the throat alotta times so if you gonna nitpick about breathin problems then dont just gloss over that. I get it tho. You think Big can battle based of that Notorious documentary where they showed him battling some nobody on the streets? that's not Pun he was spittin against. What Happen when Pac called him out? the Nigga keep his mouth shut till after Pac died, that's what happen. Took the nigga 11 mouths after death to come back wit look kiss good knight. You know why Nobody dissed Pun on wax? (i mean he had problems with the Rocafella Cats) It's because people didn't want it with Pun my nigga! Even Wu Tang would spit Bars dissin Bi. He wasn't as ruthless with Vocabulary as Pun. Look I'll acknolege Big had the better overall hits and stuff like that and had more of a machine behind his music(that shit helps) but Shattered Dreams was a joint only a few guys could possibly do to that degree and Big wasn't one of those type of guys. like I said, this thread is basically LL COol J vs Canibus type of deal

50 dissed pun on wax.

 

[Washington_Red]

lmao@ G-Rap being lyrically better than Kane. FOH.

KGR's style aged better and was more influential in my opinion.

I'd take a new verse from KGR over BDK or Rakim right now.

 

[deakino]

I have to say that Biggie was overall better than Pun. U have to remember that Biggies image was just a regular guy from Brooklyn rapping. He never wanted or even tried to be super lyrical but he wound up being just that. And that flow i mean cadence was so ill.

 

[CirocObama]

U have to remember that Biggies image was just a regular guy from Brooklyn rapping. He never wanted or even tried to be super lyrical but he wound up being just that.

LMAO now i've heard it all. I give up..

 

[SheerExcellence]

U have to remember that Biggies image was just a regular guy from Brooklyn rapping. He never wanted or even tried to be super lyrical but he wound up being just that.

LMAO now i've heard it all. I give up..

hahahaahah

this shit had me dying. hahahaha.

 

[deakino]

c'mon yall acting like Biggie was really trying to be a lyrical heavyweight and he wasnt. it just so happened that he said some ill shit. and to think if Biggie wrote everything we have heard how nasty that would be.

 

[209murdamike]

how do y'all know what biggie was tryin to do? he obviously thought he was the king of N.Y.

so i logic would say he was tryin real hard to be lyrical....think about all the people he was subliminally dissing he was in a war of words with nas bbc rae and ghost pac he had real comp before pun came in the picutre

 

[deakino]

was that him or puff tho. i think puff had alot to do with the dont say any names or dont go to hard at em.

 

[SheerExcellence]

a better comparison is biggie or king t