White Supremacist rally in Charlottesville

[Peace_79]

@Plutarch

The sheer volume of "physical violence" attributed to white supremacy across centuries dwarfs anything that "Antifa" has wrought within orders of magnitude.

This says nothing of the emotional, psychological, and socioeconomic oppression and destruction; that the ideology of the white supremacy has inflicted for generations.

The two sects are NOT comparable.

Not empirically, with the scale of their violence.

Not morally, with the spirit of their messaging.

Being against fascism is not the same as advocating for the ethnic cleansing of those different from you.

 

[Peace_79]

It's interesting that you only attribute a movement dangerous AFTER the expressed OUTCOME of said danger.

As if symbolism, momentum, and influence cannot exist as precursors to such outcomes.

The holocaust WASN'T the holocaust ... until it WAS.

Hateful ideologies that can mobilize the masses are inherently dangerous; especially those with as storied a history as White Supremacy.

Thousands do not have to be murdered in its name for this to be true.

 

[Peace_79]

Like don't they know Nazi Germany was a socialist country, I thought these alt right neo nazi,kkk inbred knuckle dragging neaderthals fucks hated socialism.....must be two sides.

Remember all the rape going on back in the day? Why were they constantly sticking their dicks in "abominations/animals/savages"?

WHY do they listen to hip hop, R&B, Blues, and Rock?

WHY do they watch basketball?

WHY do they watch anime and read manga?

WHY do they eat mexican food?

WHY was faggot shit wide spread and normal at one point to them. Then one day it was evil?

WHY was Hitler a jew?

 

[$ineedmoney$]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX3xw4KjXrz/

Lmao what a bitch

...Bytch cracka...Ain't never been thru shyt in life...I bet he cries when his raisin bran gets soggy...

 

[313 wayz]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX3xw4KjXrz/

Lmao what a bitch

This is why I laugh when anybody on the right refers to everybody else as a "snowflake"

 

[infamous114]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/898175875782508544

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-host-uncomfortable-talking-about-neo-nazis

‘I Am So Uncomfortable Having This Conversation’: Fox Host On Neo-Nazis

Fox News host Melissa Francis on Wednesday said she was “uncomfortable” being questioned about her staunch defense of President Donald Trump’s remarks blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted at a white supremacist rally where participants changed Nazi slogans over the weekend in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“He never said equal blame,” Francis said on Fox News’ “Outnumbered.” “No one said equal, and that’s one of the places where this went off the rails.”

“He said there were ‘very good people’ among the neo-Nazi protesters,” Fox News contributor Marie Harf replied. “He did — don’t roll your eyes! He did say those words, Melissa.”

“He didn’t say there were ‘very good people among neo-Nazi protesters.’ He didn’t say that. Find that,” Francis shot back.

“He said there were very good people on the other side,” Harf said. “It was clear what he was talking about.”

“There were people that were opposed to the statues coming down. Look, can I tell you this? I am so uncomfortable having this conversation,” Francis said.

She became visibly emotional and appeared to fight back tears as she continued, “Because I know what’s in my heart, and I know that I don’t think anyone is different, better or worse, based on the color of their skin, but I feel like there is nothing any of us can say right now without being judged!”

“You know, Melissa, there’ve been a lot of tears on our network, and across the country, and around the world,” co-host Harris Faulkner said.

“It’s a difficult place where we are,” Faulkner continued. “This is not 1950. We can do this. We can have this conversation. Oh, yes, we can. And it’s okay if we cry having it.”

https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/897918839891136512

Rofl @ the white tears.. Führer Trump has put these Faux News fascists in a fucked up position.. They don't know what to say or do anymore...

...Bytch has been "comfortable" for far too long...Its time to get uncomfortable now...Those tears were Glorious...

 

[1CK1S]

 

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898169407213645824
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898171544236687361
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898172999945392131

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ohio-robert-lee-monument-to-be-removed

Robert E. Lee Monument In Ohio To Be Removed

After debates between township and city officials in a community near Cincinnati over which jurisdiction actually owned a Confederate monument for Robert E. Lee, city officials in Franklin, Ohio have decided to remove the monument.

“Recently, a monument ‘erected and dedicated by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and Friends’ marking the Dixie Highway has become the subject of a great deal of attention for our small community,” a Franklin city official said in a statement, referencing the recent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia that turned deadly. White nationalists and members of the alt-right showed up to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue.

As one of four Confederate monuments in Ohio, the Robert E. Lee memorial was donated to the community by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and Friends in 1927 and is located near the city’s Right of Way for the Dixie Highway, Cincinnati.com reported.

While the memorial is the property of the township, the city has the right to move it if it causes a public safety hazard, which officials said they would do.

“Our crews will remove the monument and return their property to (the township’s) selected location forthwith,” the city said.

The Franklin Township relinquished its right to the memorial over to the city, but said it was important to remember the “history of our beloved country.”

“Whether events of the past may have been celebratory or unpleasant, it is important that we remember the culmination of all such events is what has transpired and shaped this great nation, including Franklin Township,” the township administrator Traci Stivers said in a statement.

The decision to remove the memorial — no new location had been determined as of Wednesday, Cincinnati.com reported — comes just as the President tweeted that it is sad to see the history and culture of our country being ripped apart.”

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

I wonder if I should make a career taking sides with everyone like trump does

Maybe the only thing white supremacy learns from history is to repeat the horrible parts of it?

You dont need monuments to remind you of how ignorant you can be

 

[Turfaholic]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX3xG4GDI8R/

This should be good.....

 

[Mr.LV]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898169407213645824
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898171544236687361
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898172999945392131

Donald's grandfather was from Germany ,so I'm not surprise.

 

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https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/898203459605983237

Kate Bolduan has being going in the past couple days...

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Typical politicians?

I dunno about that

Sure politicians are quick to twist and manipulate the facts for their own gain

Yes...

But what trump is doing as an american president is close to being unprecedented

For example he banned certain media outlets including the NY Times from white house press conferences which has never been down before in modern history

Yes, this is a particular divergence (apart from the, imo, commonplace scapegoating and propaganda that you mentioned). But to me, it's bad, at worst, but certainly not evil/Hitlerish. Because of this ban, the world's didn't end up in WWIII. The country didn't become the Third Reich. The NYT still exists. Freedom of press isn't dead.

I personally have no particular feelings about that "ban" either way, especially since it's in his power to do so, and especially since, to state the obvious, I'm not a fan of mainstream media. I like neither Trump nor the NYT for, imo, very good reasons.

Cool, we agree White nationalism is a very strong connection between the two

Yes. I've made that point many times before (probably not in this thread though).

That said, i still stand by my position

And I stand by mine. I honestly don't think there are many sharp differences. It's still refreshing to have a civil argument without the demagoguery though.

Lol

Regardless of whether the ban has lead to war or the third reich, the parallels exist

And it wasnt just the NYTimes

The Trump has been openly hostile towards any reporter and or media outlets who dare publish anything negative or criticial of his campaign/presidency

Regardless of the legitimacy of those criticisms

That said, the ban and his administration's relationship with the press should disturb any reasonable person concerned about transparency or our governments commitment to democratic ideals

 

[AZTG]

this statue debate is dumb.

no one is trying to erase history. hell, if I was a confederate sympathizer, id want to erase history. i fought to keep humans enslaved, and, I lost? fuck it, erase history, it never happened. so just off that fact, the erasing history excuse is dumb to me.

but here is the real issue, the statues celebrate history. and what are they celebrating? seperatist terrorists that divided the country, which led to a war that killed 600,000 people, over something as morally disgusting as slavery.

germany doesnt have any Nazi statues, and the history is not forgotten.

what does germany have though? many holocaust memorials. they remind people of the dirty history of germany.

you motherfuckers really want to make sure history is remembered and doesnt get repeated? put up a bunch of slavery memorials to keep the fact that this country eslaved millions for 400 years. thats how its really done.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

slightly different subjects? lol

you're argument is that what happened is being overblown and the protesters aren't the threat folk aren't making them out to be

or am i off base?

??? Didn't we already go over this at least two times?? Have we not already resolved this?? I really don't want to talk in circles.

you are free to have your opinion

but again just because there were few fatalities and injuries doesn't make it true or give it any more validity

as i was saying these ppl may be on the fringe, but they again are also are our neighbors. lawyers. doctors. police offers. 911 operators. loan officers. classmates. teachers. nurses. future politicians. cooks. waiters. some of these ppl are in positions of power and influence to various degrees.

for any jew or person of color that should be nothing to scoff at. it would naive to do so. especially considering our personal beliefs can lead to outcome limiting assumptions in our work and how we vote

are they a bigger threat to my physical safety than any other extremist, can't say....but the threat exists. to what degree i don't think can be truly quantified

and i'm glad that the story is receiving this much "hype". it has helped to strip away the veneer of this solely being an issue of states' rights, military valor and southern pride. and it would ridiculous to argue otherwise

We've already been through this, no? I already responded to much of this.

you want to make an argument the police did a bad job of containing the violence, cool... not sure how that is really relevant

What? First, I specifically responded to your respective point about the assault by agreeing with you, and then I simply added one additional comment to point to a major reason why that assault shouldn't had even taken place.

Like many of your own "irrelevant" points, that point was a (simple and short) side-note, but to say that pointing out a problem that led to the assault of a person is irrelevant either to your point or even more so generally is rather odd to me.

is there a witch hunt going on? expound further

I didn't say that there is a witch hunt going on. I simply said I don't support witch hunting.

Lol

I was just further clarifying my position since as you suggested we may be on different pages

I never made the argument that what happened proved that these ppl are this signficiant violent threat

Though a legitimate case could be made, that would hard to truly quantify

I only said they were a big threat, theres a diff

Also typically when a ppl says or suggest they are against the partaking of any witch hunts, means they feel that a witch hunt is taking place or one is afoot...but ok ...

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lepage-confederate-statues-911-memorial

Paul LePage Says Confederate Statues Are Comparable To 9/11 Memorial

Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) said Thursday that removing statues and monuments for Confederate veterans and political figures was comparable — and would lead to — removing New York City’s memorial for the victims of the 9/11 attacks.

In an interview with WGAN, LePage was asked about the comparison President Donald Trump made Tuesday between the white supremacists who rallied in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend, and the counter-protesters who demonstrated against them.

The rally was ostensibly planned to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a park, though the white supremacist groups in attendance chanted “Jews will not replace us!” and “Blood and Soil!” recalling Nazi rhetoric. They carried swastikas and Confederate flags. One counter-protester was killed when a man who had protested with white supremacists allegedly rammed his car into a crowd.

“What they’re standing for is equally as bad,” LePage said, referring to the counter-protesters. “They’re trying to erase history.”

“They should study their history,” he added later. “They don’t even know the history of this country and they’re trying to take monuments down. Listen, whether we like it or not, this is what our history is.”

“To me, it’s just like going to New York City right now and taking down the monument of those who perished in 9/11,” he said. “It will come to that.”

It was an odd parallel. LePage was essentially comparing the Confederate States of America to 9/11 victims, and the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks to the Union Army.

“I condemn both sides,” LePage separately in the interview. “I think they’re disgusting — both sides.”

“I don’t think he came off strong enough on either one of them,” LePage said at one point, referring to Trump’s remarks Tuesday, in which the President said not everyone who attended the rally on the white supremacists’ side was worthy of condemnation.

LePage — who admitted he hadn’t known about the protest for days because “I don’t watch TV and I don’t read newspapers, because frankly, I believe newspapers are nothing more than pencil terrorists” — seemed to confuse the stated goal of the so-called “antifa” groups in attendance demonstrating against the white supremacists.

The label is short for “anti-fascist,” and represents individuals who disrupt white supremacist gatherings, sometimes with violence. LePage seemed to think the group’s goal was explicitly to tear down Confederate statues, even though they were not actively involved in the Charlottesville City Council’s vote to remove the statue of Lee.

WGAN co-host Ken Altshuler tried one more time near the end of the interview: “The issue that Donald Trump had was the implication that there is a moral equivalence between antifa and the KKK,” he said. “Would you agree, though that what the KKK stands for is at least morally — I mean, if you have to judge morality, what they stand for is less desirous— “

“I answered that,” LePage said. “I think they’re both morally wrong. I condemn both organizations. I think there’s no room for either of these organizations in the United States of America.”

 

[VIBE]

this statue debate is dumb.

no one is trying to erase history. hell, if I was a confederate sympathizer, id want to erase history. i fought to keep humans enslaved, and, I lost? fuck it, erase history, it never happened. so just off that fact, the erasing history excuse is dumb to me.

but here is the real issue, the statues celebrate history. and what are they celebrating? seperatist terrorists that divided the country, which led to a war that killed 600,000 people, over something as morally disgusting as slavery.

germany doesnt have any Nazi statues, and the history is not forgotten.

what does germany have though? many holocaust memorials. they remind people of the dirty history of germany.

you motherfuckers really want to make sure history is remembered and doesnt get repeated? put up a bunch of slavery memorials to keep the fact that this country eslaved millions for 400 years. thats how its really done.

Instead of monuments, they have Nazi shit in museums, right?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

otherwise you seem to be of the position that the protesters and or the alt right and other factions are being unfairly blamed for inciting violence

Nonsense.

think that is kinda bullshit. though i have yet to see any indication that counter protesters were the instigators, protesters chanting 'blood and soil' and doing nazi salutes are going incite a strong emotional response... especially in an already volatile environment

1. Perhaps you need to get out more and diversify your news sources, some of which will clearly indicate that there were counter-protesters who instigated. At the very least, once again, just know that I'm not on either side that advocates wanton violence.

2. Of course, there were strong emotional responses, but that still does not justify violent instigation.

and there is a such thing as dangerous speech... these factions are famous for referring to minorities as takers, leeches or and cancer. obviously dehumanizing ppl and likening them to unfavorable things that can cause you harm can make violence used against said ppl seem acceptable and even necessary

Of course (you're stating quite a lot of obvious points that we already agree on) there is a such thing as dangerous speech. We've already been over this. We seem to disagree on some of the specifics, though I'm not sure. I'll say my position once again: Some hate speech can be and should be protected under the law of the First Amendment. Bad, mean, and even some "evil" words are...words. Exceptions like speech to directly incite violence is under no protection. Speech and thoughts are not necessarily active force worthy of legal punishment. Generally speaking, violence is only acceptable if it is self-defense from active force.

then when the president of the country has repeatedly perpetuate this falsehoods that undocumented immigrants have committed more crimes than native born americans this further inflames tensions

.............Yes..............

that said, i think we can agree efforts to undermining dangerous speech still shouldn't infringe upon freedom of speech or involve violence

Yes!

if any of what i said doesn't apply to you don't respond

Too late. Probably would've been better placed at the beginning rather than the end. Thanks though. Don't tell me what to do.

1. It would smart to read my post in their entirety before collecting your thoughts. It could lead to things like your time and keystrokes being wasted. Things can be taken out of context

2. I tend to get my news from multiple sources.....mostly local sources. By most witness accounts the aggressors this particular day were the white nationalists, alt right, etc

3.Yes i do not condone violence. And ppl should be able to express themselves without government intervention

That said, ppl should be responsible. The nazi salutes and chanting 'blood and soil' was highly irresponsible in these volatile times. And not the best way to distinguish yourself as a person that should not be considered a threat to ppl of color and jewish ppl. The alt right, in particular, want to dismiss claims they are racist and pretend as though their views are being mis-characterized this did not help their cause

If any of what i said doesn't apply to you don't respond lol