White Supremacist rally in Charlottesville

[Mister B.]

 

[blackrain]

lol Robert E lee's grand children are denouncing that klan rally. They are wondering why trump didn't lol.

Robert E Lee himself denounced the building of confederate memorials and statues.

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...el-defends-trump-breaks-from-white-house-line

RNC Chair Awkwardly Defends Trump, But Breaks From WH’s ‘Both Sides’ Line

Republican National Committee chair Ronna Romney McDaniel on Wednesday awkwardly defended President Donald Trump’s two-day-late condemnation of white supremacists and neo-Nazis, but broke from the White House line blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“Well, the President condemned the white supremacists and the KKK and the neo-Nazis unequivocally,” McDaniel said on ABC News’ “Good Morning America.”

“But it took 48 hours for him to do that,” David Muir pointed out.

“But he did it, and he should have and he did. And our party has across the board said this is unacceptable,” McDaniel said. “We have no place in our party at all for KKK, anti-Semitism, racism, bigotry. It has no place in the Republican party. There is no home here. We don’t want your vote. We don’t support you.”

McDaniel said it was “the beginning of what needs to be a larger conversation.”

“We are seeing this rhetoric ramp up, we are seeing more violence, and we need to take a stand against it,” she said. “When it comes to Charlottesville, the blame lays squarely at the KKK and the white supremacists who organized this rally and put together an entire event around hate and bigotry.”

“So you disagree with the President,” Muir pressed.

“I am saying the President did the right thing condemning it. I’m saying absolutely the events that transpired in Charlottesville were initiated by this white supremacist, KKK rally. It would not have happened if those people had not come together in hate. And there were peaceful protesters who did the right thing coming out against it,” McDaniel said. “I don’t think comparing blame works in this situation because we know what initiated the violence.”

Trump on Tuesday returned to his previous rhetoric blaming “both sides” for violence at the white supremacist rally, a flourish hailed by white supremacists as implicit support for their cause.

The Atlantic reported on Wednesday that the White House sent Republican members of Congress a memo asking them to defend Trump as “entirely correct” in his call for the “end of violence on all sides.”

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pence-i-stand-with-president

Mike Pence Backs Up Trump: ‘I Stand By The President’

Vice President Mike Pence is standing by President Trump in the wake of Trump’s off-the-rails press conference in he assigned blame to “both sides” for violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend.

“What happened in Charlottesville was a tragedy and the President has been clear on this tragedy and so have I. I spoke at lengths about this heartbreaking situation on Sunday night in Colombia. And I stand by the President and I stand by those words,” Pence said, speaking from Chile on Wednesday. He said he is planning to end his weeklong trip to Latin America early and return to the U.S. Thursday. Pence was originally scheduled to return to the U.S. on Friday.

Trump said Tuesday that the “alt-right” and the “alt-left” were to blame for the violence that broke out at a rally in Charlottesville, Va., when a self-proclaimed white supremacist allegedly drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters and killing one woman named Heather Heyer.

The vice president said Wednesday “our hearts are in Charlottesville” with the family and friends who gathered to “say farewell to a remarkable young woman.”

“We’ve been praying, we’ve been praying for God’s comfort for her family and her friends and we are also praying in America, we will not allow the few to divide the many,” he said. “The strength of the United States of America is always strongest, as the President has said so eloquently, when we are united. Around our shared values and so it will always be.”

Pence’s comments come after Trump has received widespread criticism — and praise from known white supremacists — for his comments during an unhinged press conference where he seemed to defend white supremacists.

“I think there’s blame on both sides,” Trump said Tuesday.

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/johnson-trump-white-supremacists-charlottesville

Johnson: Can We Move On From Trump Defending White Supremacists Already

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) signaled on Wednesday that he’s tired of questions about President Donald Trump’s controversial comments on the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“You tell me what he needs to say so we can move beyond this,” he told reporters, according to the Cap Times. “He said it once. Again, I’m not going to speak for the President, I speak for myself.”

Johnson continued to express frustration over foreign policy and budgetary issues he said were being ignored in the meantime.

“We can continue to harp on President Trump’s reaction to Charlottesville, but from my standpoint, I’m concentrating on finding areas of agreement and doing everything I can under my committee’s jurisdiction and what I can do to improve the situation,” he said.

Johnson also said he doesn’t see any reason for impeachment.

“Is it too early to think about Article 25 and impeachment?” asked one reporter.

“On what grounds?” Johnson responded.

Following a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia featuring Nazi salutes and shouts of “Jews will not replace us,” Trump on Tuesday blamed “both sides” for the violence leading to counter-protester Heather Heyer’s death. He also said “both sides” had “fine people.”

While Johnson admitted he wasn’t “entirely” comfortable with Trump’s comments, he avoided criticizing the President outright and pivoted to healing divides.

“Let’s try to unify this nation. Let’s try and heal it. Let’s try and focus on what is causing the division and reduce it,” said Johnson.

The Wisconsin senator lamented the situation during an appearance on WTMJ’s “Jeff Wagner Show” on the same day.

“I just find this whole thing depressing,” he said.

https://twitter.com/RDHague/status/897835318501625856

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...t-or-apologize-for-racism-no-mention-of-trump

Sessions Condemns Any Who ‘Accept Or Apologize For’ Bigotry, Skips Over Trump

Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday condemned those who “accept or apologize for” bigotry, but made no mention of his boss’ return to equivocal rhetoric about a white supremacist rally that turned violent in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“In no way can we accept or apologize for racism, bigotry, hatred, violence and those kinds of things that too often arise in our country,” Sessions said in remarks about crime rates in sanctuary cities.

He did not mention President Donald Trump’s return Wednesday to blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted at the white supremacist rally over the weekend in a statement white supremacists praised as a step in the right direction.

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...loyee-charlottesville-white-supremacist-rally

VT Pizza Restaurant Fires Employee Who Participated In Charlottesville Rally

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reports-bannon-thrilled-proud-trump-charlottesville

Reports: Bannon Was ‘Thrilled,’ ‘Proud’ After Trump’s Charlottesville Presser

White House chief strategist Steve Bannon was reportedly “thrilled” and “proud” after President Donald Trump’s comments Tuesday that not everyone who attended a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend was worthy of condemnation.

During an impromptu press conference in the lobby of Trump Tower Tuesday, Trump said “I think there’s blame on both sides” — both the white supremacists’ and counter-protesters’ — for the weekend’s turmoil, and that not everyone who protested the statue’s removal deserved criticism.

“You had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned, totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK?” he said. “And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

Many in the White House have communicated to reporters — off the record — that Trump’s statements made them uncomfortable. For Bannon, at least according to unnamed sources familiar with his opinion, the opposite is true.

An unnamed “friend” of Bannon’s told Politico the adviser was “thrilled” with the remarks.

And an unnamed source “close” to Bannon told Bloomberg he was “proud” of Trump’s performance.

Bannon has a history with many of the groups and ideologies present at Saturday’s rally, which descended into mayhem and violence and resulted in the death of one counter-protester after a man who had earlier been photographed with white supremacists allegedly rammed his car into a crowd.

“We’re the platform for the alt-right,” Bannon boasted to Mother Jones in July 2016, referring to Breitbart News, the conservative platform he used to run before joining Trump’s campaign for President, and eventually, Trump’s White House.

“Alt-right” is a loose term generally used to refer to the internet savvy countercultural movement of white supremacists and misogynists.

 

[Westie]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX3xw4KjXrz/

Lmao what a bitch

 

[The Lonious Monk]

A physical confrontation is not an equal fight when we are a minority. Chess is about strategy. Just trying to meet physical force with physical force leads to pointless loss of life. Those marching racists are just pawns anyway. The logic is we need numbers, not pointless sacrifice. Nothing good comes from more blacks dying. We just lose leaders. The racist leaders are not out there fighting. Notice David Duke was protected, but only show to talk to the media. Everybody has the right to do as they please, but history shows engaging in them that way has not put blacks in a better position at all.

You keep on talking about physicality. I'm not talking about that when I say fight. I'm just talking about fistfights. I'm talking about taking a visible stance against an adversary. I'm with you when you say that niggas shouldn't go out there trying to throw blows at every Nazi they see. But I don't see anything wrong with blacks letting their presence be known and letting the racists know we're not going anywhere.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

What factions on the left are comparable to the neo nazis or white nationalists ????

One easy answer that I'm sure you're aware of (though the media rarely covers them) is Antifa. There are many other obvious examples that are generally comparable. But I think you mean comparable in terms of violence? Such examples are BAMN and Refuse Fascism. Have you heard of George Soros? If there's one main point I want to raise is the lack of fair media coverage and the bullshit that comes from both sides.

Surely, you don't think that the left is innocent in all of this. The main point is that both sides have been pushed to either extremes and are feeding on each other, and this is a very bad thing. I don't see why people can't acknowledge this. It's moderates and reasonable people like me (excuse my self-indulgence) that see this and are inevitably ostracized because we refuse to take either side and to point out the idiocy of both sides. Two sides of the same damn coin, and it's been like this for several decades.

And the media is guilty of a lot but my point of contention is that the liberal media and specifically the identity politics of the left has played a big part in inflaming and perpetuating racial discontent that has driven white ppl particularly white men to join the alt right, neo Nazis, vote for Trump

Hmm, I'm not so sure about playing a "big" part, but I do believe it's helping play a role that's palpable. But it's not just the media. The media is just one piece. I mean, there are countless examples across the nation and even here on this site. If you haven't already, you should check out some "alternative" news media.

And this bizaro idea that racial discord is caused by speaking out about discrimination, not by discrimination itself

Honest question: did I say that? Are you saying I said that? Or are you just twisting my words? Because I don't subscribe to that strict idea.

Which is a popular argument among the right

Meh, I don't think I would know.

Again i believe its ridiculous

Sounds so.

This country was built on white supremacy and xenophobia. The liberal media didnt interrupt progression toward racial harmony. Remove rachel maddow from the equation and we still have racial turmoil

Again, I'm not sure how this applies to me. ???

can you make the case ppl, the media both sides of the isle are inflaming tensions, yes. and can we do without the the trump and hilter, nazi comparisons? yes

but these tensions that have long existed and stems from our country's long and continued mistreatment of non white ppl

and groups like BAMN and antifa are autonomous anti racist groups whose growth are fueled by white nationalism. most i heard of them is when they are either exposing neo nazis or pressuring venues to cancel white power events

while antifa perpetrates violence, it doesn’t perpetrate it on anything like the scale that white nationalists do.

it’s no coincidence that it was a nazi sympathizer who ran his car into a crowd in charlottesville

so while some of their tactics are also troubling, saying it’s a problem is vastly different than implying that it’s a problem equal or even comparable to white supremacism. there is no moral equivalence at all

same can be said for this idea that think pieces on white privilege and the liberal media comparing trump to hilter are just as bad as right wing media outlets spreading racist and anti-semitic propaganda. no, its not the same

this idea that you are this reasonable person is kind of laughable

 

[blackrain]

Why did Maryland have confederate statues anyway?

Maryland was a slave holding state regardless of it being below the mason-dixon line and so called not being in the south.

Maryland is a southern state historically. Now it, DC, and VA are essentially where the north meets the south.

Shit DC and VA got heavy southern leanings too. Especially VA. Ask any nigga who grew up in Southern MD or DC the general rule about VA. We tend not to go there after dark if at all if we can help it.

 

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https://twitter.com/harryjhouck/status/897843000663040001

CNN's pig apologist...

 

[PILL_COSBY]

lol Robert E lee's grand children are denouncing that klan rally. They are wondering why trump didn't lol.

Robert E Lee himself denounced the building of confederate memorials and statues.

They also said that too. Said he would have told all of them to get the fuck out of there.

We all know that's not what them fools was out there for though. I bet my life 75% of them didn't know shit about him. All they know is that it represented some racist shit and they were drawing power from it lol. These fuckers really think they slick. Thank god a lot of people aren't so naive anymore. Funny thing about the torches is that they were just mimicking what the klan does when they have a meeting. Only thing they were missing was white sheets, hoods, and burning crosses.

 

[AZTG]

Vice News reporter Elle Reeve confirmed that military vets from all branches were at the rallies giving security for the rallies.

No suprise there.

 

[d.green]

Why did Maryland have confederate statues anyway?

Its a southern state.

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-lawyer-email-race-charlottesville.html

Trump Lawyer Forwards Email Echoing Secessionist Rhetoric

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s personal lawyer on Wednesday forwarded an email to conservative journalists, government officials and friends that echoed secessionist Civil War propaganda and declared that the group Black Lives Matter “has been totally infiltrated by terrorist groups.”

The email forwarded by John Dowd, who is leading the president’s legal team, painted the Confederate general Robert E. Lee in glowing terms and equated the South’s rebellion to that of the American Revolution against England. Its subject line — “The Information that Validates President Trump on Charlottesville” — was a reference to comments Mr. Trump made earlier this week in the aftermath of protests in the Virginia college town.

“You cannot be against General Lee and be for General Washington,” the email reads, “there literally is no difference between the two men.”

The contents of the email are at the heart of a roiling controversy over race and history that turned deadly last weekend in Charlottesville, where white nationalist groups clashed with protesters over the planned removal of a statue of Lee. An Ohio man with ties to white nationalist groups drove his car through a crowd, killing one woman and injuring many others, authorities say.

In a fiery news conference on Tuesday, Mr. Trump blamed “both sides” for that violence. He said many of those who opposed the statue’s removal were good people protesting the loss of their culture, and he questioned whether taking down statues of Lee could lead to monuments of Washington also being removed.

His words were widely criticized in Washington but were praised by white supremacists, including a former Ku Klux Klan leader.

Mr. Dowd received the email on Tuesday night and forwarded it on Wednesday morning to more than two dozen recipients, including a senior official at the Department of Homeland Security, The Wall Street Journal editorial page and journalists at Fox News and The Washington Times. There is no evidence that any of the journalists used the contents of the email in their coverage. One of the recipients provided a copy to The New York Times.

“You’re sticking your nose in my personal email?” Mr. Dowd told The Times in a brief telephone interview. “People send me things. I forward them.” He then hung up.

The email’s author, Jerome Almon, runs several websites alleging government conspiracies and arguing that the F.B.I. has been infiltrated by Islamic terrorists. He once unsuccessfully sued the State Department for $900 million over claims of discrimination.

Mr. Almon’s email said that Black Lives Matter, a group that formed to protest the use of force by police against African-Americans, is being directed by terrorists. Mr. Almon blamed the group for deadly violence against police last year in Texas and Louisiana.

The email’s comparison of secessionists to the nation’s Founding Fathers echoes an early Confederate rallying cry, said Judith Giesberg, a Villanova University historian and editor of The Journal of the Civil War Era. Washington’s face appeared on Confederate money, she said, and secessionists were eager to place their rebellion in the context of the American Revolution.

“The first states to secede drew a straight line back to the Revolution,” she said in a telephone interview. “They said they were the inheritors of this revolutionary tradition that traces back to Washington.”

Mr. Almon listed several reasons Lee is no different from Washington. “Both rebelled against the ruling government,” the email reads, adding, “Both saved America.”

Mr. Almon, who is black, said in his email to Mr. Dowd that the protesters should “go back to the ghettos and do raise their children and rebuild places like Detroit.”

In a telephone interview, Mr. Almon said he sent the email to follow up on a phone call he had last week with Mr. Dowd. He said had called to offer damaging information about James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, and to provide other information about the Justice Department’s ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign.

Mr. Almon said he hoped Mr. Dowd would circulate his email.

“I was hoping it would get in the hands of President Trump — I quite frankly hope he would review it right now because his presidency is on the line,” Mr. Almon said in the interview. “I don’t believe the president is getting the correct advice or proper information. Someone reading what I sent to Dowd will view Robert E. Lee differently.”

There is no evidence that Mr. Dowd sent the email to Mr. Trump. Other recipients include Washington lawyers and members of Mr. Dowd’s family.

Mr. Dowd circulated the email hours after the White House issued its own talking points to Republicans defending the president.

“The president was entirely correct — both sides of the violence in Charlottesville acted inappropriately, and bear some responsibility,” the White House said. Those talking points, circulated on Tuesday night, did not address Mr. Trump’s comments about Lee and Washington.

The email that Mr. Dowd forwarded, however, issues a full-throated endorsement of those comments. It declared that Lee “saved America” by opting to surrender rather than launch guerrilla attacks in the final days of the Civil War.

Professor Giesberg said it is true that Lee rejected such tactics, but his decision did not save America.

“It’s like a history I don’t even recognize,” she said.

In an interview, Mr. Almon said he is not a Republican and that he does not reflexively support Mr. Trump.

“I’m against racism,” he said.

Mr. Almon said that he had also provided information about the F.B.I. to the office of Representative Devin Nunes of California, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

An email Mr. Almon provided to The Times showed that he had been in communication in March with Mr. Nunes’ office. There is no evidence that Mr. Nunes circulated that email.

But Trump ain't racist tho...

 

[Mr.LV]

I'm surprised by these responses of posters not knowing the history of Maryland. That state has always been a southern state in my eyes. American education system is never going to show the true history of this country.

 

[Plutarch]

Typical politicians?

I dunno about that

Sure politicians are quick to twist and manipulate the facts for their own gain

Yes...

But what trump is doing as an american president is close to being unprecedented

For example he banned certain media outlets including the NY Times from white house press conferences which has never been down before in modern history

Yes, this is a particular divergence (apart from the, imo, commonplace scapegoating and propaganda that you mentioned). But to me, it's bad, at worst, but certainly not evil/Hitlerish. Because of this ban, the world's didn't end up in WWIII. The country didn't become the Third Reich. The NYT still exists. Freedom of press isn't dead.

I personally have no particular feelings about that "ban" either way, especially since it's in his power to do so, and especially since, to state the obvious, I'm not a fan of mainstream media. I like neither Trump nor the NYT for, imo, very good reasons.

Cool, we agree White nationalism is a very strong connection between the two

Yes. I've made that point many times before (probably not in this thread though).

That said, i still stand by my position

And I stand by mine. I honestly don't think there are many sharp differences. It's still refreshing to have a civil argument without the demagoguery though.

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-host-uncomfortable-talking-about-neo-nazis

‘I Am So Uncomfortable Having This Conversation’: Fox Host On Neo-Nazis

Fox News host Melissa Francis on Wednesday said she was “uncomfortable” being questioned about her staunch defense of President Donald Trump’s remarks blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted at a white supremacist rally where participants changed Nazi slogans over the weekend in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“He never said equal blame,” Francis said on Fox News’ “Outnumbered.” “No one said equal, and that’s one of the places where this went off the rails.”

“He said there were ‘very good people’ among the neo-Nazi protesters,” Fox News contributor Marie Harf replied. “He did — don’t roll your eyes! He did say those words, Melissa.”

“He didn’t say there were ‘very good people among neo-Nazi protesters.’ He didn’t say that. Find that,” Francis shot back.

“He said there were very good people on the other side,” Harf said. “It was clear what he was talking about.”

“There were people that were opposed to the statues coming down. Look, can I tell you this? I am so uncomfortable having this conversation,” Francis said.

She became visibly emotional and appeared to fight back tears as she continued, “Because I know what’s in my heart, and I know that I don’t think anyone is different, better or worse, based on the color of their skin, but I feel like there is nothing any of us can say right now without being judged!”

“You know, Melissa, there’ve been a lot of tears on our network, and across the country, and around the world,” co-host Harris Faulkner said.

“It’s a difficult place where we are,” Faulkner continued. “This is not 1950. We can do this. We can have this conversation. Oh, yes, we can. And it’s okay if we cry having it.”

https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/897918839891136512

Rofl @ the white tears.. Führer Trump has put these Faux News fascists in a fucked up position.. They don't know what to say or do anymore...