When Wayne made battle type rap commercial again, why couldnt NY capitalize?

[Nile Gambino]

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

wft r u talkin bout the new lloyd banks mixtape shits on the whole wayne discography new york niggaz makes bad albums because they are concerned about sales and club bangers and shit like fab and jada if they rap on albums like mixtapes these southern niggaz will be in the real trap smh

Mixtapes now are nothing more than free albums so that makes no sense. Fab put out TINC series, damn near free albums (though TINC3 is fucking garbage). The problem with alot of NY rappers now is they don't fucking sound like NY rappers. Until one of my boys who lives on Pelham Pkway int he Bronx told me French Montana was from the BX I thought he was some random southern nigga. All of ya'll "hottest" rappers and rappers with the most buzz outside of Jay-Z are either signed too or heavily affiliated with southern rappers.

fool french montana is not even from the states he is morrocan plus tinc3 aint garbage and sothern niggaz affiliate themselves with new york niggaz like rossand wayne been on fat joe's dick making a genre called miami hiphop plus they all a student of jay-z school which is a lil school in new york hiphop the only nigga i respect from the south is trae the truth he can hold his own against anybody plus his albums are like his mixtapes raw but i aint the south is all bad they can rap but compared to new york niggaz they aint all that and that's coming from a guy who grew up on big jay nas cnn mobb deep and the wu no body ever will top these rappers and they material

You put a bunch of random older rappers as if that somehow means what you listen to is more credible, yet show a lack of hip hop history by giving Fat Joe credit for Miami's rap music scene? You ever heard of a nigga named Luther Campbell? Uncle Luke some call him...if anything that's Miami hip-hop...the shit Ross doing now is just southern rap, that's not specific to Miami. And I know that fool French Montana is Moroccan/Somali but he moved to NY in the 90's and reps NY, so yeah that nigga is from NY.

Lol word...dude is a fucking moron

hey bitch ass nigga where are miami's dopest mc's

 

[CoolJoe]

Wayne was a good rapper already before he decided to jack Jay-Z but that don't change the fact that he did and became terrible as a consequence.

Once people started kissing his ass he just started saying anything and niggas would be like "oh yeah shawty thatz hot" and then you had Birdman: "Say shawty, I'm bettin' da hause on my son, ya heard me?"

If he jacked anyone he jacked Gillie, not Jay.

 

[A1000MILES]

@Nile Ice Berg is >>>> Than half the niggas you named, cuh...

 

[blackrain]

Who are these NY battle MC's u speak off

DEAD...

And LMAO @ Wayne's "real gs move in silence like lasagna" style being considered battle style rap.

I guess you missed the Papoose thread the other day.

I remember when that thread was made 2 yrs ago

 

[infamous114]

@Nile Ice Berg is >>>> Than half the niggas you named, cuh...

Ice Berg's raw...he's been chilling with Ross lately. Trick needs to let him out his contract.

 

[Nile Gambino]

@Nile Ice Berg is >>>> Than half the niggas you named, cuh...

neva hear of him but yeah he is better than nas and jay and mobb deep and the wu

because he is from miami u seem to be another lil bitch ass nigga

 

[moedays]

Wayne is indeed a swagger jacker. My homie is a huge Wayne fan and I call him out on in all the time. He dressed like Dipset when he was hanging with Dipset, he was dressing like Clipse when he was hanging with Clipse.

I understand no idea's original but niggas act like dude really started some new shit. Everything he did he jacked someone else.

*400 Degreez he jacked that

*Go DJ he jacked that too

*Both him & Baby re-did old Cash Money songs (like Go DJ, Get Ya Shine On!! etc)

*he started rapping like Jay-Z.

"Good artists borrow, great artists steal"--

So basically you saying Lil Wayne is Mitt Romney.lol

 

[And_So_It_Burns]

Wayne doesn't have a battle type rap style. punchline rap style isn't always a battle type style. I would say Cassidy/Banks/Jadakiss have battle styles...Wayne just spits simple ass similes with a brief hesitations in place of the word "like" to make it more dramatic i.e(I'm a star(pause) Sheriff Badge shit is not a battle type style.

 

[jono]

Gillie was a CMB tax write off. His only claim to fame was Wayne wearing his chain in a video. Wayne's favorite rapper is Jay-Z. Its been known to people who listened to him before he blew up that he wanted to be like Jay-Z.

I've read interviews when a young, not so arrogant Lil Wayne gushes over meeting Jay-Z during the time when Jay recorded the Ha (remix) w/ Juvenile. If you listen to his mixtapes during the Sqad days he did a lot of he stuff Jay-Z did:

Jay-Z Best of Me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=1HiwFbuVyZQ

Lil Wayne Best of Me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=2oK-OqFK6sk&fulldescription=1

What he did in that shit was what he did his whole career, take Jay shit and run with it.

I can even bring out joints where Wayne was ripping off B.G. during the time B.G. left CMB.

There are sites filled with Lil Wayne jockeys that know this lol

 

[SlickestR]

whatever happened to Wayne's voice...

 

[CoolJoe]

Gillie was a CMB tax write off. His only claim to fame was Wayne wearing his chain in a video. Wayne's favorite rapper is Jay-Z. Its been known to people who listened to him before he blew up that he wanted to be like Jay-Z.

I've read interviews when a young, not so arrogant Lil Wayne gushes over meeting Jay-Z during the time when Jay recorded the Ha (remix) w/ Juvenile. If you listen to his mixtapes during the Sqad days he did a lot of he stuff Jay-Z did:

Jay-Z Best of Me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=1HiwFbuVyZQ

Lil Wayne Best of Me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=2oK-OqFK6sk&fulldescription=1

What he did in that shit was what he did his whole career, take Jay shit and run with it.

I can even bring out joints where Wayne was ripping off B.G. during the time B.G. left CMB.

There are sites filled with Lil Wayne jockeys that know this lol

Everyone knows Jay was his favorite rapper, but that doesn't mean he took his style.

Explain the similarities in their verses on that Best of Me beat, I'm curious.

 

[maestro_lungs]

Fat Joe & Busta Rhymes are Southern____ I won't say dick riders but its hard to find a better way to say it.

Anyway the South fucks with Busta & Joe so I guess its all good. But when Busta said Wayne was the new 2Pac I stopped taking his opinion seriously. I know Busta is cool with everybody in the industry but that was some wack shit to say.

I Agree with you About Fat Joe, But how is Busta Rhymes a Southern dick Rider? Cause he Collabo's with Southern Niggaz or Cause of his Fast Flow (Which is more of his Reggae Roots than any Southern influence)?

Busta called Wayne the New Pac? Yea That's one of many Reasons why I Don't Listen to dude anymore!

 

[maestro_lungs]

Wayne was a good rapper already before he decided to jack Jay-Z but that don't change the fact that he did and became terrible as a consequence.

Once people started kissing his ass he just started saying anything and niggas would be like "oh yeah shawty thatz hot" and then you had Birdman: "Say shawty, I'm bettin' da hause on my son, ya heard me?"

If he jacked anyone he jacked Gillie, not Jay.

But wasn't Gillie Kinda Riding Jay z Coat tails just like all the Other Big Willy/Drug Dealer types like Philly most wanted, Dutch & Spade , Boo & Gotti?

 

[grumpy_new_yorker]

lil wayne... battle raps...?

 

[TimeToParty]

what exactly did he do better

if anything he was in a situation that was more stable- being the only/lead artist on his label where in comparison a lot of the "NY battle rappers" (wtf) were barely securing deals & release dates and were "battling" b/c thats how the circuit is/has been

so to help answer ur ? a southern rapper using "that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap" (wtf) is much more of a novelty

Wayne didnt do anything better he just hopped onto shit people were already doing & got credit fo popularizing them. A lot of it is b/c of his situation not his ability or his execution. The fact he was able to stick by a release date and had steady promotion answers this question by itself

2004- Carter I- Wayne turns heads by delivering a very solid/good album. Doesnt gain traction as what ur describing though. Puts himself in conversation for rappers to lead next generation with TI; Fab and Kanye

2005-Wayne is just one of many. Dec '05- Carter II is released the same year as 50 Cent, Beanie Sigel & Cassidy (East Coast wise) Punchline rapping the norm.

2006- Wayne magically transforms into a 'rockstar' simultaneously as Dipset goes into the skulls/Ed Hardy tee shirts/tight jean and the 'party like a rockstar" bullshit is in full force. Jim Jones & Fat joe are suddenly his best friends & DJ Khaled begins his soon to be unbearable guest feature barrage. this is also the last year Wayne made sense consitently

2007- Wayne is now an alien (Andre & Big Boi were Aliens 11 year earlier, but i didnt say that) with a whole legion of die hard fans willing to lay down their lives for his. His visibility leads to him being featured on 768 songs he has no business on spitting nonsense bars that people love. Latches himself onto T-Pain & starts mumbling gibberish thats prasied as original/great

2008-Carter 3. Auto-tune.Seeds planted. Fruit beared. Damage done

GOAT'd

 

[32DaysOfInfiniti]

Not that he's a battle rapper, he just made punchline rapping cool...

How come someone from the easter regions couldnt come up with a way to make their style more commercial. Instead they do southern shit or female shit while this semi-clever south nigga took there style ran with it, now everybody on that type shit but New York.

I know its watered down and not quite vicious as battle rapping, but face it its the same shit.

He always drops lines about killing you, fucking your bitch, or somehow causing physical harm to "somebody". Then he talks about how much money he has, and how great his (fill in the blank) is and yours isnt...

If you took the beat away and put him in front of someone, he may not win, but his current style is defintly suited for that...