What would it take for Peyton Manning to be the GOAT QB in your eyes?

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Win 4 more rings and he can have the goat title. But until then let's end all this goat talk. A qb can't get in that conversation until they've won 2 or better. Everything is so much hype nowadays. You didn't hear all this goat talk when montana won his 1st or Aikman for that matter. Aikman won three and people don't even put him in the conversation and he won under 2 different coaches. It aint his fault that the Cowboys were that good.
 
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plocc;169630 said:
Win 4 more rings and he can have the goat title. But until then let's end all this goat talk. A qb can't get in that conversation until they've won 2 or better. Everything is so much hype nowadays. You didn't hear all this goat talk when montana won his 1st or Aikman for that matter. Aikman won three and people don't even put him in the conversation and he won under 2 different coaches. It aint his fault that the Cowboys were that good.

Because montana didnt put up numbers like manning plus the 49ers didnt have to rely on montana to win the game they had a good all around team period they could have won with a shitty qb same for aikman yeah he cant help how good the cowboys were good on offense and defense you cant say the same about manning because everybody looks to peyton to take care of everything which isn't a fair comparison to those qb's and he dont have to win four more rings to me he only has to win 2 or 3 more to be goat qb
 
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vageneral are you serious? The 49ers were hot garbage before Montana got there. Now I will say this about Peyton. I think he's the smartest, most accurate and composed qb in the league. But those attributes alone doesn't make one the goat.People are starting to throw the goat label around too loosely.
 
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plocc;169630 said:
Win 4 more rings and he can have the goat title. But until then let's end all this goat talk. A qb can't get in that conversation until they've won 2 or better. Everything is so much hype nowadays. You didn't hear all this goat talk when montana won his 1st or Aikman for that matter. Aikman won three and people don't even put him in the conversation and he won under 2 different coaches. It aint his fault that the Cowboys were that good.

yo that logic is soooooo retarded fam...

being the BEST player at a position and being the most ACCOMPLISHED player at a position are 2 different things
 
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rap doctor;165893 said:
WTF is wrong with yall. This aint tennis. its a team sport
Championships do not equal individual greatness

quoted for realness....

ya niggas logic is all over the place
 
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plocc;169630 said:
Win 4 more rings and he can have the goat title. But until then let's end all this goat talk. A qb can't get in that conversation until they've won 2 or better. Everything is so much hype nowadays. You didn't hear all this goat talk when montana won his 1st or Aikman for that matter. Aikman won three and people don't even put him in the conversation and he won under 2 different coaches. It aint his fault that the Cowboys were that good.

but did you ever watch aikman and say to yourself "Damn, this guy might be one of the best to ever do it."?
 
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plocc;172958 said:
vageneral are you serious? The 49ers were hot garbage before Montana got there. Now I will say this about Peyton. I think he's the smartest, most accurate and composed qb in the league. But those attributes alone doesn't make one the goat.People are starting to throw the goat label around too loosely.

I wasn't talkin about before he got there I'm talkin bout when he was already there they finally got some decent players and started winning
 
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millz_flybridge;173329 said:
yo that logic is soooooo retarded fam...

being the BEST player at a position and being the most ACCOMPLISHED player at a position are 2 different things

This is where most of the people get it confused
 
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Although Manning didn't help his cause, to say Peyton choked is a little of an overstatement IMO. He played a pretty good game, problem is Brees played an awesome game. I was against this type of talk when the Patriots lost to the Giants. It is hard to choke when you are playing in the Super Bowl. The other team is there for a reason, and to say that they won because a player "choked" takes away from the winning team IMO. The Saints won that game because they were hitting on all cylinders, not because Peyton threw 1 pick.

Also you have to take into account the dropped balls by Garcon, the absence of Reggie Wayne, and the onside kick. All of that combined had a part in the downfall of the Colts.

I am not a Colts or Saints fan, i'm indifferent to both teams but in this instance I don't agree with all the Peyton bashing. The Saints beat the Colts team entirely. Brees was great, the Saints D stepped up when it needed to. There were 8-10 plays that turned the game. The interception was huge, but the momentum was already firmly in the Saints hands after the onside kick and a series of other Colt failures up to that point. Congrats to the new champs, but to say that another QB makes his team, block, catch, or call players is unwarranted IMO...
 
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There seems to be a lot of discussion whether or not Manning choked. So lets make it an official discussion.

Like I said before, I don't like to use the word choked in the SB, but let's just go along with it anyways. The more I think about it, there is no way you can really say this games loss rests mostly on Peyton's shoulders. To say he choked is just wrong IMO.

The guy put up exactly 161 yards in the 4th quarter. He completed 15 of his 24 passes in the quarter. He put his team in field goal range in all 3 of his possessions while at the same time taking time off the clock (which would hurt him in the long run). If Stover makes a 51 yard field goal, which a kicker of his calibre should due after the success he had this year, the Colts would have had a 20-16 lead. Now, if New Orleans goes downfield and scores like they did, the likeliness of the Saints going for a 2 point conversion is probably less then 5%. That would make it a single 3 point game. Then, Manning comes back onto the field. This is the drive that seems to have tarnished his legacy in the eyes of many. But would the play selection had been different considering they were only down a field goal? Would they have chosen another play on the 3rd down? Very high chance since they were in field goal range. Now I think Manning should have done a better job protecting the ball in that situation, of course he deserves some of the blame, if not the majority. But we still cannot be sure that Wayne did not screw up by cutting his route in late. It was also a fantastic play by Porter. More of a great play then a mistake IMO.

The games blame takes a majority of the toll on the receivers in my opinion. Wayne could have made the catch on the final play of the game to give them another chance. Garcon should have made the reception for a touchdown, other drops all around, a receiver muffed the onside kick (which changed the entire game IMO), and they just didn't get a lot of separation. Then I feel Stover takes the blame. Cannot miss that kick. As the situation above showed, it changes the whole situation. The Manning and the defense share the rest. The defense let the Saints drive all second half, despite doing a good enough job to stop them in the first. Cant collapse like that. Mind you it was against the Saints. Then Manning strictly for the pick. Other then the pick, the guy had a good game and even put his team in a position to win. As one of the best of all time, he probably should have done a better job. But he did make a mistake. But I can't exactly call it a flat out choke.
 
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Also, I don't understand why Peyton isn't allowed to lose. The last time I checked, he isn't a machine or a god. He's a human being, and he's subject to human error like the rest of us. I'm pretty sure Brady lost a SB with a team that was better. Peyton made a bad decision, but not all the blame falls on him. I know that it wasn't Brady's fault that they lost that SB, but the point is that many of you will point to other factors that led to the Pats losing. It's the same here, Peyton bears alot of the blame but not all of it.
 
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In order for me to even consider him among the best ever let alone the GOAT I would have to see him actually lead his team to a superbowl. Yeah he won one in 2006 but that had more to do with the play of the colts defense rather than his own play. A 3 td to 7 int ratio in his superbowl run is not exactly a great performance for anyone besides Jamarcus Russell. Even the superbowl game addai and Rhodes deserved the MVP but the NFL pretty much handed him the MVP wether he deserved it or not.
 
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txboi_09;182339 said:
In order for me to even consider him among the best ever let alone the GOAT I would have to see him actually lead his team to a superbowl. Yeah he won one in 2006 but that had more to do with the play of the colts defense rather than his own play. A 3 td to 7 int ratio in his superbowl run is not exactly a great performance for anyone besides Jamarcus Russell. Even the superbowl game addai and Rhodes deserved the MVP but the NFL pretty much handed him the MVP wether he deserved it or not.

co-sign...
 
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