We need to re-visit Peyton Mannings post season career

[ghost!]

It is absolutely a matter of 'picking and choosing' what is considered a big game for Manning.

Gets held to a higher standard than most, including Brady. Which is weird to me.

When your as decorative as your are in the reg season then turn around n have the type of playoffs n SBs you had. That's what's truly weird.

Chk Manning's playoffs stats n ints..oh wait I'm sorry. ..u can't cuz it's a TEAM SPORT...

funny thing is i believe manning has a better TD-INT ratio in the two years he made it to the sb and lost than in the year he made it to the sb and won

but i could be wrong

and just because...

I fail to see what those graphics had anything to do with what I said. maybe I didn't make myself clear

in the post-seasons where he ultimately lost in the Super Bowl, Petyon's TD-INT ratio were better than the post-season where he ultimately won the Super Bowl

ok, and what is your point.....

1. it's ironic

2. it's a team game, a point that you was seemingly mocking your post I responded too. Peyton's stats during his 3 Super Bowl runs sorta proves my point

i STILL have no idea what your point is...and like i said, and if it's a team game (which is obviously is) why are you debating about an individual??

QBs can't throw the ball if their line dont block, he can't gain yards, field position or score if his wides outs dont run the right routes, catch the ball or run after the catch, and the QB can't have as many attempts if his defense doesnt give him the ball...

so i dont wanna hear nobody praising Manning anymore for his achievements without talking about his line, wides outs and defense cause all those have to play a part for Manning to be successful (it aint all Manning as his fans like to think come game day)

same sh*t..he wins, it's all bout him, he loses it's now about HIS TEAMS...ha ha manning's P.R. dept..i tell ya.

i dont even know why i drag myself into this crap. I'm good, thank god outside this form, on the networks seem to not think like this!

oh and you can go ahead and hit the "feelings" button again for good measure! ha ha

i'm out!

 

[Already Home_17]

It is absolutely a matter of 'picking and choosing' what is considered a big game for Manning.

Gets held to a higher standard than most, including Brady. Which is weird to me.

When your as decorative as your are in the reg season then turn around n have the type of playoffs n SBs you had. That's what's truly weird.

Chk Manning's playoffs stats n ints..oh wait I'm sorry. ..u can't cuz it's a TEAM SPORT...

funny thing is i believe manning has a better TD-INT ratio in the two years he made it to the sb and lost than in the year he made it to the sb and won

but i could be wrong

and just because...

I fail to see what those graphics had anything to do with what I said. maybe I didn't make myself clear

in the post-seasons where he ultimately lost in the Super Bowl, Petyon's TD-INT ratio were better than the post-season where he ultimately won the Super Bowl

ok, and what is your point.....

1. it's ironic

2. it's a team game, a point that you was seemingly mocking your post I responded too. Peyton's stats during his 3 Super Bowl runs sorta proves my point

i STILL have no idea what your point is...and like i said, and if it's a team game (which is obviously is) why are you debating about an individual??

QBs can't throw the ball if their line dont block, he can gain yards, field position or score if his wides outs dont run the right routes, catch the ball or run after the catch, and the QB can't have as many attempts if his defense doesnt give him the ball...

so i dont wanna hear nobody praising Manning anymore for his achievements without talking about his line, wides outs and defense cause all those have to play a part for Manning to be successful (it aint all Manning as his fans like to think come game day)

same sh*t..he wins, it's all bout him, he loses it's now about HIS TEAMS...ha ha manning's P.R. dept..i tell ya.

i dont even know why i drag myself into this crap. I'm good, thank god outside this form, on the networks seem to not think like this!

oh and you can go ahead and hit the "feelings" button again for good measure! ha ha

i'm out!

well gee, I don't know

maybe because the thread itself is about the individual?

I've come to the conclusion you don't thoroughly read comments. either that you have poor reading comprehension skills. I gave Peyton flack on the last page for his post-season mediocrity. but I also said he and his offense deserved credit for their Super Bowl 41 win. I also alluded to Peyton's one and only ring being linked to arguably his worst post-season performance stat wise, meaning his TEAM helped him out greatly. you took that as me stripping Peyton of any blame when he loses, yet giving him all the credit when he wins. shit went over your head

 

[bow to royalty]

Manning and Brady both overrated stiff white dudes that had great o lines and teams around them. Mannning is a big game choker and has a losing playoffs and superbowl record

if manning was truly a big game choker, he wouldnt have reached 3 super bowls to begin with. again, thats nitpicking what you consider to be a big game

underachieving is a better word to describe peyton's post-season mediocrity. you cant dismiss how many times he's reached the playoffs, yet you cant ignore the decline in performance himself and his teams have showcased in the playoffs. a 1-2 super bowl record is disappointing, but he had to win his fair share of big games to reach that point to begin with

and his one and only successful super bowl run gets so easily dismissed. didnt he lead one of the biggest comebacks in AFC championship history? against the same team/QB/coach that owned him in the post-season nonetheless? didnt he beat one of the top defenses in that years super bowl? didnt he and the colts offense beat the bears at their own game in weather conditions favoring the opposing team?

funny thing is you dudes probably picked him to lose those two big games, just to dismiss them as soon as he won them. at least give the dude credit when its due

Exactly. You decide before the game whether or not it's a big game...not after. AFC Championship vs the Pats is a big game going in. But win, and no credit for winning a big game. Lose and he lost a big game.

so basically only Peyton detractors are unfair and illogical but every other QBs detractors are fair and adjective....ok i got it now..check!

No, but Peyton has it harder than any other QB when it comes to his expectations. There are 3 QB's that can retire today and be HOF'ers. Peyton, Brady, and Brees. Only Peyton needs to win every playoff game. Brees has one SB win, but no one is saying he needs to win more. Brees got knocked out of the playoffs by a below .500 Seahawks team, and his legacy isn't taking a hit. If he misses the playoffs or does a 1 and done, no biggy.

And with Brady, he won SB's early in his career and I give complete credit for it. 3 SB's aren't easy, and I don't think his defense carried him as much as people say. But since then, he's had less success than Peyton but he hasn't taken a hit to his legacy (1 less SB appearance, and 1 less SB win). Brady's first 4 years as a starter have given him a decade long halo. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying...I'm not comparing the 3 QB's. I'm comparing the criticism and expectations of the players.

Brees has no post-season expectations, and Brady no longer gets criticized (outside forums).

 

[coop9889]

Ghost clearly has an agenda.

Not a nigga worthy of an intellectual debate.

 

[ghost!]

Ghost clearly has an agenda.

Not a nigga worthy of an intellectual debate.

Ha ha the fuck?

You claim peyton is unfairly judge n I say he isn't?? And now I have agenda cuz i don't agree..ha ha

I swear the reaction u get when you don't agree w someone. .ha ha

Fuck it. "I ain't got no worries.. "

 

[ghost!]

It is absolutely a matter of 'picking and choosing' what is considered a big game for Manning.

Gets held to a higher standard than most, including Brady. Which is weird to me.

When your as decorative as your are in the reg season then turn around n have the type of playoffs n SBs you had. That's what's truly weird.

Chk Manning's playoffs stats n ints..oh wait I'm sorry. ..u can't cuz it's a TEAM SPORT...

funny thing is i believe manning has a better TD-INT ratio in the two years he made it to the sb and lost than in the year he made it to the sb and won

but i could be wrong

and just because...

I fail to see what those graphics had anything to do with what I said. maybe I didn't make myself clear

in the post-seasons where he ultimately lost in the Super Bowl, Petyon's TD-INT ratio were better than the post-season where he ultimately won the Super Bowl

ok, and what is your point.....

1. it's ironic

2. it's a team game, a point that you was seemingly mocking your post I responded too. Peyton's stats during his 3 Super Bowl runs sorta proves my point

i STILL have no idea what your point is...and like i said, and if it's a team game (which is obviously is) why are you debating about an individual??

QBs can't throw the ball if their line dont block, he can gain yards, field position or score if his wides outs dont run the right routes, catch the ball or run after the catch, and the QB can't have as many attempts if his defense doesnt give him the ball...

so i dont wanna hear nobody praising Manning anymore for his achievements without talking about his line, wides outs and defense cause all those have to play a part for Manning to be successful (it aint all Manning as his fans like to think come game day)

same sh*t..he wins, it's all bout him, he loses it's now about HIS TEAMS...ha ha manning's P.R. dept..i tell ya.

i dont even know why i drag myself into this crap. I'm good, thank god outside this form, on the networks seem to not think like this!

oh and you can go ahead and hit the "feelings" button again for good measure! ha ha

i'm out!

well gee, I don't know

maybe because the thread itself is about the individual?

I've come to the conclusion you don't thoroughly read comments. either that you have poor reading comprehension skills. I gave Peyton flack on the last page for his post-season mediocrity. but I also said he and his offense deserved credit for their Super Bowl 41 win. I also alluded to Peyton's one and only ring being linked to arguably his worst post-season performance stat wise, meaning his TEAM helped him out greatly. you took that as me stripping Peyton of any blame when he loses, yet giving him all the credit when he wins. shit went over your head

Oh I comprehend quite well. If you could only see the fucks I give to feel the need to prove that to u though.

And there's sarcasm n general statements in my posts at no time they were direct at one said poster, u just took offense to my posts. Plus I was going back n forth w another poster which u joined in on. Not my fault u don't like what or how I said shit...

 

[its....JOHN B]

Manning and Brady both overrated stiff white dudes that had great o lines and teams around them. Mannning is a big game choker and has a losing playoffs and superbowl record

if manning was truly a big game choker, he wouldnt have reached 3 super bowls to begin with. again, thats nitpicking what you consider to be a big game

underachieving is a better word to describe peyton's post-season mediocrity. you cant dismiss how many times he's reached the playoffs, yet you cant ignore the decline in performance himself and his teams have showcased in the playoffs. a 1-2 super bowl record is disappointing, but he had to win his fair share of big games to reach that point to begin with

and his one and only successful super bowl run gets so easily dismissed. didnt he lead one of the biggest comebacks in AFC championship history? against the same team/QB/coach that owned him in the post-season nonetheless? didnt he beat one of the top defenses in that years super bowl? didnt he and the colts offense beat the bears at their own game in weather conditions favoring the opposing team?

funny thing is you dudes probably picked him to lose those two big games, just to dismiss them as soon as he won them. at least give the dude credit when its due

Exactly. You decide before the game whether or not it's a big game...not after. AFC Championship vs the Pats is a big game going in. But win, and no credit for winning a big game. Lose and he lost a big game.

so basically only Peyton detractors are unfair and illogical but every other QBs detractors are fair and adjective....ok i got it now..check!

No, but Peyton has it harder than any other QB when it comes to his expectations. There are 3 QB's that can retire today and be HOF'ers. Peyton, Brady, and Brees. Only Peyton needs to win every playoff game. Brees has one SB win, but no one is saying he needs to win more. Brees got knocked out of the playoffs by a below .500 Seahawks team, and his legacy isn't taking a hit. If he misses the playoffs or does a 1 and done, no biggy.



And with Brady, he won SB's early in his career and I give complete credit for it. 3 SB's aren't easy, and I don't think his defense carried him as much as people say. But since then, he's had less success than Peyton but he hasn't taken a hit to his legacy (1 less SB appearance, and 1 less SB win). Brady's first 4 years as a starter have given him a decade long halo. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying...I'm not comparing the 3 QB's. I'm comparing the criticism and expectations of the players.

Brees has no post-season expectations, and Brady no longer gets criticized (outside forums).

For one even the people criticizing Peyton aren't putting Brees above him, he gets criticized when the Brady argument or goat argument come about, nobody is denying his greatness, also nobody gets praised more "outside forums", that's why you see him getting criticized as much as you do because the way he's treated like a god (outside forums) when in reality the mans playoff track record has been pretty lackluster for a guy who gets praised as much as he does

 

[Already Home_17]

It is absolutely a matter of 'picking and choosing' what is considered a big game for Manning.

Gets held to a higher standard than most, including Brady. Which is weird to me.

When your as decorative as your are in the reg season then turn around n have the type of playoffs n SBs you had. That's what's truly weird.

Chk Manning's playoffs stats n ints..oh wait I'm sorry. ..u can't cuz it's a TEAM SPORT...

funny thing is i believe manning has a better TD-INT ratio in the two years he made it to the sb and lost than in the year he made it to the sb and won

but i could be wrong

and just because...

I fail to see what those graphics had anything to do with what I said. maybe I didn't make myself clear

in the post-seasons where he ultimately lost in the Super Bowl, Petyon's TD-INT ratio were better than the post-season where he ultimately won the Super Bowl

ok, and what is your point.....

1. it's ironic

2. it's a team game, a point that you was seemingly mocking your post I responded too. Peyton's stats during his 3 Super Bowl runs sorta proves my point

i STILL have no idea what your point is...and like i said, and if it's a team game (which is obviously is) why are you debating about an individual??

QBs can't throw the ball if their line dont block, he can gain yards, field position or score if his wides outs dont run the right routes, catch the ball or run after the catch, and the QB can't have as many attempts if his defense doesnt give him the ball...

so i dont wanna hear nobody praising Manning anymore for his achievements without talking about his line, wides outs and defense cause all those have to play a part for Manning to be successful (it aint all Manning as his fans like to think come game day)

same sh*t..he wins, it's all bout him, he loses it's now about HIS TEAMS...ha ha manning's P.R. dept..i tell ya.

i dont even know why i drag myself into this crap. I'm good, thank god outside this form, on the networks seem to not think like this!

oh and you can go ahead and hit the "feelings" button again for good measure! ha ha

i'm out!

well gee, I don't know

maybe because the thread itself is about the individual?

I've come to the conclusion you don't thoroughly read comments. either that you have poor reading comprehension skills. I gave Peyton flack on the last page for his post-season mediocrity. but I also said he and his offense deserved credit for their Super Bowl 41 win. I also alluded to Peyton's one and only ring being linked to arguably his worst post-season performance stat wise, meaning his TEAM helped him out greatly. you took that as me stripping Peyton of any blame when he loses, yet giving him all the credit when he wins. shit went over your head

Oh I comprehend quite well. If you could only see the fucks I give to feel the need to prove that to u though.

And there's sarcasm n general statements in my posts at no time they were direct at one said poster, u just took offense to my posts. Plus I was going back n forth w another poster which u joined in on. Not my fault u don't like what or how I said shit...

i didnt take offense to anything you said. this is a discussion forum. we discuss. i simply made a point. i explained to you the purpose of my statement and you still didnt get it

"Oh I comprehend quite well"

no you dont bruh

its okay

 

[ghost!]

It is absolutely a matter of 'picking and choosing' what is considered a big game for Manning.

Gets held to a higher standard than most, including Brady. Which is weird to me.

When your as decorative as your are in the reg season then turn around n have the type of playoffs n SBs you had. That's what's truly weird.

Chk Manning's playoffs stats n ints..oh wait I'm sorry. ..u can't cuz it's a TEAM SPORT...

funny thing is i believe manning has a better TD-INT ratio in the two years he made it to the sb and lost than in the year he made it to the sb and won

but i could be wrong

and just because...

I fail to see what those graphics had anything to do with what I said. maybe I didn't make myself clear

in the post-seasons where he ultimately lost in the Super Bowl, Petyon's TD-INT ratio were better than the post-season where he ultimately won the Super Bowl

ok, and what is your point.....

1. it's ironic

2. it's a team game, a point that you was seemingly mocking your post I responded too. Peyton's stats during his 3 Super Bowl runs sorta proves my point

i STILL have no idea what your point is...and like i said, and if it's a team game (which is obviously is) why are you debating about an individual??

QBs can't throw the ball if their line dont block, he can gain yards, field position or score if his wides outs dont run the right routes, catch the ball or run after the catch, and the QB can't have as many attempts if his defense doesnt give him the ball...

so i dont wanna hear nobody praising Manning anymore for his achievements without talking about his line, wides outs and defense cause all those have to play a part for Manning to be successful (it aint all Manning as his fans like to think come game day)

same sh*t..he wins, it's all bout him, he loses it's now about HIS TEAMS...ha ha manning's P.R. dept..i tell ya.

i dont even know why i drag myself into this crap. I'm good, thank god outside this form, on the networks seem to not think like this!

oh and you can go ahead and hit the "feelings" button again for good measure! ha ha

i'm out!

well gee, I don't know

maybe because the thread itself is about the individual?

I've come to the conclusion you don't thoroughly read comments. either that you have poor reading comprehension skills. I gave Peyton flack on the last page for his post-season mediocrity. but I also said he and his offense deserved credit for their Super Bowl 41 win. I also alluded to Peyton's one and only ring being linked to arguably his worst post-season performance stat wise, meaning his TEAM helped him out greatly. you took that as me stripping Peyton of any blame when he loses, yet giving him all the credit when he wins. shit went over your head

Oh I comprehend quite well. If you could only see the fucks I give to feel the need to prove that to u though.

And there's sarcasm n general statements in my posts at no time they were direct at one said poster, u just took offense to my posts. Plus I was going back n forth w another poster which u joined in on. Not my fault u don't like what or how I said shit...

i didnt take offense to anything you said. this is a discussion forum. we discuss. i simply made a point. i explained to you the purpose of my statement and you still didnt get it

"Oh I comprehend quite well"

no you dont bruh

its okay

If you gonna quote me, QUOTE the entire statement...

Let's try that first. Wrong approach you taking w me, "bruh"

I didn't make the thread or fully agree w the thread.

So you n i are done here..

 

[bow to royalty]

Manning and Brady both overrated stiff white dudes that had great o lines and teams around them. Mannning is a big game choker and has a losing playoffs and superbowl record

if manning was truly a big game choker, he wouldnt have reached 3 super bowls to begin with. again, thats nitpicking what you consider to be a big game

underachieving is a better word to describe peyton's post-season mediocrity. you cant dismiss how many times he's reached the playoffs, yet you cant ignore the decline in performance himself and his teams have showcased in the playoffs. a 1-2 super bowl record is disappointing, but he had to win his fair share of big games to reach that point to begin with

and his one and only successful super bowl run gets so easily dismissed. didnt he lead one of the biggest comebacks in AFC championship history? against the same team/QB/coach that owned him in the post-season nonetheless? didnt he beat one of the top defenses in that years super bowl? didnt he and the colts offense beat the bears at their own game in weather conditions favoring the opposing team?

funny thing is you dudes probably picked him to lose those two big games, just to dismiss them as soon as he won them. at least give the dude credit when its due

Exactly. You decide before the game whether or not it's a big game...not after. AFC Championship vs the Pats is a big game going in. But win, and no credit for winning a big game. Lose and he lost a big game.

so basically only Peyton detractors are unfair and illogical but every other QBs detractors are fair and adjective....ok i got it now..check!

No, but Peyton has it harder than any other QB when it comes to his expectations. There are 3 QB's that can retire today and be HOF'ers. Peyton, Brady, and Brees. Only Peyton needs to win every playoff game. Brees has one SB win, but no one is saying he needs to win more. Brees got knocked out of the playoffs by a below .500 Seahawks team, and his legacy isn't taking a hit. If he misses the playoffs or does a 1 and done, no biggy.



And with Brady, he won SB's early in his career and I give complete credit for it. 3 SB's aren't easy, and I don't think his defense carried him as much as people say. But since then, he's had less success than Peyton but he hasn't taken a hit to his legacy (1 less SB appearance, and 1 less SB win). Brady's first 4 years as a starter have given him a decade long halo. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying...I'm not comparing the 3 QB's. I'm comparing the criticism and expectations of the players.

Brees has no post-season expectations, and Brady no longer gets criticized (outside forums).

For one even the people criticizing Peyton aren't putting Brees above him, he gets criticized when the Brady argument or goat argument come about, nobody is denying his greatness, also nobody gets praised more "outside forums", that's why you see him getting criticized as much as you do because the way he's treated like a god (outside forums) when in reality the mans playoff track record has been pretty lackluster for a guy who gets praised as much as he does

You don't read. I said they were all HOF QB's and put in bold I'm not comparing the 3. So why are you talking about people not ranking Brees above Manning? How is he treated like a God outside the forum? He is criticized more heavily than any other QB after a playoff loss. Brady is treated like a God because he isn't criticized for losing. He's going on a decade without a SB win, and hasn't won one in his prime, but he's sill viewed as the ultimate playoff QB. So why is he above criticism? That's God status. No criticism. NO ONE denies Peyton playoff history, so how's that God status?

 

[its....JOHN B]

Because you said Brees can lose and his legacy doesn't take a hit, well he isn't being held to the same standard as Peyton, Peyton is criticized when the goat or Brady arguments come up, so every little thing gets picked apart, if your not comparing them then why even bring his ass up? Brees isn't criticized because there's no debate with him, no ones calling him the goat or top 5 ever, everything else you said isn't reality its you throwing on a cape for Peyton, no other qb other than maybe Favre but I wouldn't even say Favre has been glorified by the media as much as Peyton fact, and when he does get criticized for his playoff performances it's well deserved so......why the fuck are you getting mad about it?

 

[bow to royalty]

Because you said Brees can lose and his legacy doesn't take a hit, well he isn't being held to the same standard as Peyton, Peyton is criticized when the goat or Brady arguments come up, so every little thing gets picked apart, if your not comparing them then why even bring his ass up? Brees isn't criticized because there's no debate with him, no ones calling him the goat or top 5 ever, everything else you said isn't reality its you throwing on a cape for Peyton, no other qb other than maybe Favre but I wouldn't even say Favre has been glorified by the media as much as Peyton fact, and when he does get criticized for his playoff performances it's well deserved so......why the fuck are you getting mad about it?

You're missing the point. The WHOLE point is he's criticized more harshly than any other QB. I'm not throwing on a cape because I'm not saying he's any better than he is. I'm not comparing them because I'm not trying to say one QB is better than the other. I'm saying once you reach HOF level the expectations should be pretty similar.

Brady's also in the GOAT top 5 ever conversation. Like I said before, he's had an amazing career. But over the past 10 years Peyton and Brady have the same number of SB appearances, and SB wins. And AGAIN since you don't get this...I'm not trying to say one is better than the other. I'm saying why aren't they criticized the same way? Brady just lost to the "choker" in the playoffs last year, and there was no criticism of Brady. But if Peyton had lost to one of the best post-season QB's ever, he'd get crucified.

If being called the possible GOAT and being in the top 5 means Peyton needs to never lose in the playoffs, why doesn't being called the possible GOAT and being in the top 5 mean Brady needs to continue to perform? Why shouldn't they be held to the same expectation each year?

 

[its....JOHN B]

Brady has been getting his fair share of criticism in recent years, but he doesn't have the history of choking that Peyton does so it doesn't come back to haunt him, even with the criticism I think when it's all said and done the majority will put Peyton over Brady barring Brady wins one or two more superbowls and Peyton doesn't, but if they both retired right now I think that would be the case because of how much Peyton is glorified, but as far as putting him above Montana there will be the capers who are astonished by his regular season stats that will put Peyton above him but where I'm from winning is everything, and Peyton more often than not was not mr reliable when it mattered, and for a guy who is glorified as much as he is he deserves that criticism

 

[bow to royalty]

Brady has been getting his fair share of criticism in recent years, but he doesn't have the history of choking that Peyton does so it doesn't come back to haunt him, even with the criticism I think when it's all said and done the majority will put Peyton over Brady barring Brady wins one or two more superbowls and Peyton doesn't, but if they both retired right now I think that would be the case because of how much Peyton is glorified, but as far as putting him above Montana there will be the capers who are astonished by his regular season stats that will put Peyton above him but where I'm from winning is everything, and Peyton more often than not was not mr reliable when it mattered, and for a guy who is glorified as much as he is he deserves that criticism

I haven't heard Brady getting criticized much at all. I told you over the last 10 years, which is a significant amount of time, Brady and Peyton have the same SB wins/appearances. So with having similar results for the past decade, shouldn't they be criticized the same and have the same expectations? And I'm looking at current expectations. Since they've been so similar for the past 10 years, why shouldn't they have the same expectations going into the 2014-2015 season? You're giving Brady a 2013-2014 pass for what he did in 2002-2005.

You're talking about career post-season accomplishments, which I give Brady the win in...no doubt. I'm talking about recent expectations.