Was Spike Lee Wrong For Making 'Chiraq' A Satire?

[AP21]

you just cant please niggas

say he had done a documentary...dudes would've still been mad

he just cant win...then again, a lot of these young dudes giving Spike shit probably havent watched any of his early work so it goes over their heads

they want everything to look like a Slim Jesus/ Chief Keef video

 

[gns]

Rhymefest can shut up

 

[D. Morgan]

Full disclosure - Ive never been to Chicago and I haven't seen the movie..

But I have seen the trailer and heard reactions and reviews such as this one. I also know the hurt that city is going through

To me it's incredibly disrespectful and disengenous to make a satire, of all things, about the devastation being experienced in that area.

I mean - the name itself is inflammatory.

It seems to be the epitome of gross generalization to no positive end aside from money changing hands ..

All men in the Chi are savages?

All a woman has to offer is her body?



Almost amazed that this got funding

With knowing the definition of satire you still feel this way about the movie

Full Definition of satire

a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn

trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly



If so why?

 

[Brother_Five]

And Chicago niggas need to get off that bullshit

Like they touch on in the movie, black kids getting killed all over the country...

The movie could have been set in Baltimore or Philly

 

[Peace_79]

I admit that I haven't seen the movie, so I could be completely off base about it.

Just my initial opinion, given the information I have

 

[D. Morgan]

I admit that I haven't seen the movie, so I could be completely off base.

Just my initial opinion ...

Cool. You plan on seeing it?

 

[Peace_79]

Full disclosure - Ive never been to Chicago and I haven't seen the movie..

But I have seen the trailer and heard reactions and reviews such as this one. I also know the hurt that city is going through

To me it's incredibly disrespectful and disengenous to make a satire, of all things, about the devastation being experienced in that area.

I mean - the name itself is inflammatory.

It seems to be the epitome of gross generalization to no positive end aside from money changing hands ..

All men in the Chi are savages?

All a woman has to offer is her body?



Almost amazed that this got funding

With knowing the definition of satire you still feel this way about the movie

Full Definition of satire

a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn

trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

If so why?

In my opinion some things are to raw and tragic to be exposed to satirical treatment.

• Immediately after 9/11 would you want to see a satire of those events?
  
• Would you be ok if whites created a satire of how blacks invite police brutality and then "complain" about it afterwards?
  

Whether or not this movie approaches or crosses that line, I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't seen it.

But based on what I know about it so far, I feel that it has.

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

 

[D. Morgan]

Full disclosure - Ive never been to Chicago and I haven't seen the movie..

But I have seen the trailer and heard reactions and reviews such as this one. I also know the hurt that city is going through

To me it's incredibly disrespectful and disengenous to make a satire, of all things, about the devastation being experienced in that area.

I mean - the name itself is inflammatory.

It seems to be the epitome of gross generalization to no positive end aside from money changing hands ..

All men in the Chi are savages?

All a woman has to offer is her body?



Almost amazed that this got funding

With knowing the definition of satire you still feel this way about the movie

Full Definition of satire

a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn

trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

If so why?

In my opinion some things are to raw and tragic to be exposed to satirical treatment.

• Immediately after 9/11 would you want to see a satire of those events?
  
  
• Would you be ok if whites created a satire of how blacks invite police brutality and then "complain" about it afterwards?
  

Whether or not this movie approaches or crosses that line, I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't seen it.

But based on what I know about it so far, I feel that it has.

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Those are bad examples because you can't really ridicule or shame the people of those events because they did nothing wrong. So really a satire couldn't be made of those events.

 

[Peace_79]

And Chicago niggas need to get off that bullshit

Like they touch on in the movie, black kids getting killed all over the country...

The movie could have been set in Baltimore or Philly

According to Ryhmefest, it is not about it being filmed in Chicago- it is about calling it "Chiraq" (a name that has a negative history and connotation In and of itself) and claiming to represent Chicago and the realities that city faces ...

When Spike nor the writers of the movie are from Chicago nor do they know what the people of that city have been through.

 

[Brother_Five]

And Chicago niggas need to get off that bullshit

Like they touch on in the movie, black kids getting killed all over the country...

The movie could have been set in Baltimore or Philly

According to Ryhmefest, it is not about it being filmed in Chicago- it is about calling it "Chiraq" (a name that has a negative history and connotation In and of itself) and claiming to represent Chicago and the realities that city faces ...

When Spike nor the writers of the movie are not from Chicago nor do they know what they have been through.

We have reached the point in the discussion where ppl will just dig in to their argument despite all rational and reasonable counter arguments.

 

[D. Morgan]

And Chicago niggas need to get off that bullshit

Like they touch on in the movie, black kids getting killed all over the country...

The movie could have been set in Baltimore or Philly

According to Ryhmefest, it is not about it being filmed in Chicago- it is about calling it "Chiraq" (a name that has a negative history and connotation In and of itself) and claiming to represent Chicago and the realities that city faces ...

When Spike nor the writers of the movie are not from Chicago nor do they know what they have been through.

We have reached the point in the discussion where ppl will just dig in to their argument despite all rational and reasonable counter arguments.

Exactly. To no one in particular I just felt like this with this thread at this point

 

[Stiff]

I think the movie getting flack because ever since Straight Outta Compton came out niggas got a taste for gritty portryals...since the movie was called Chiraq people assumed it was going to be that ..

I'm not going to see it because it just doesn't look interesting. I might catch it on Netflix if it ever makes it there...maybe

 

[Peace_79]

Full disclosure - Ive never been to Chicago and I haven't seen the movie..

But I have seen the trailer and heard reactions and reviews such as this one. I also know the hurt that city is going through

To me it's incredibly disrespectful and disengenous to make a satire, of all things, about the devastation being experienced in that area.

I mean - the name itself is inflammatory.

It seems to be the epitome of gross generalization to no positive end aside from money changing hands ..

All men in the Chi are savages?

All a woman has to offer is her body?



Almost amazed that this got funding

With knowing the definition of satire you still feel this way about the movie

Full Definition of satire

a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn

trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

If so why?

In my opinion some things are to raw and tragic to be exposed to satirical treatment.

• Immediately after 9/11 would you want to see a satire of those events?
  
  
• Would you be ok if whites created a satire of how blacks invite police brutality and then "complain" about it afterwards?
  

Whether or not this movie approaches or crosses that line, I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't seen it.

But based on what I know about it so far, I feel that it has.

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Those are bad examples because you can't really ridicule or shame the people of those events because they did nothing wrong. So really a satire couldn't be made of those events.

They did nothing wrong from whose vantage point?

There are rarely unequivocal states of right and wrong that are not shaped by perspective.

Anyone can ridicule or shame anyone else if they have the desire to... It happens all that time.

But Is it fair to do that without context? Especially with a sensitive issue

Man I'll leave it alone, tho ... Y'all ain't trying to listen to another side of this argument.

 

[S2J]

You can tell niggas didn't see the movie

This wasnt really traditional satire !

The mesaage was heavy handed, obvious, preachy, and blatant. ..yes, with a lil comedic relief mixed in

Jon Cusack's speach as a preacher had me rolkin my eyes nh at how overboard it was

Angela Basett's conversation with Lystitrata was obviously the *mesaage* part of the movie

 

[Peace_79]

And Chicago niggas need to get off that bullshit

Like they touch on in the movie, black kids getting killed all over the country...

The movie could have been set in Baltimore or Philly

According to Ryhmefest, it is not about it being filmed in Chicago- it is about calling it "Chiraq" (a name that has a negative history and connotation In and of itself) and claiming to represent Chicago and the realities that city faces ...

When Spike nor the writers of the movie are not from Chicago nor do they know what they have been through.

We have reached the point in the discussion where ppl will just dig in to their argument despite all rational and reasonable counter arguments.

Lol. That's a convenient rebuttal

 

[S2J]

The one gripe i can see is the name implies this was gon specifically discuss Chicago.

It really doesnt

Chiraq is no more than the name of a character here

The real theme is inner city gangs and violence and,it applies universally

Chicago niggas mad their specific hoods weren't addressed is what it sound like

 

[Brother_Five]

The movie would have been received more positively if he called it "The chips are stacked against us so let's stop killing each other".

 

[jono]

On some real shit Rhymefest sounds like he trying to extort Spike Lee. All he is saying is "give the shorties some money... Yada yada yada give us some money...yada yada yada...come talk to some real people in the city (like himself) yada yada yada..."

Spike didn't create the term Chiraq though, niggas from Chicago did. Spike ain't exploiting violence in Chicago, niggas like Chief Keef ARE.

It seems like either fam real sensitive, which is alright I suppose or they just mad they didn't get anything out of this which is wack.

 

[playmaker88]

No are you fucking kiddin me..

i think niggas killin niggas is the problem here.. how bout the niggas making the music glorifying the shit.. man ccut it out.whoever is upset at spike for making a satire of the issue needs to kill themselves.

 

[TayGettem]

In the words of king louie fck spike lee