Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

[waterproof]

John 21:18 that's john talking giving his thoughts, again Yahushua gave Peter a prophecy that he will be mislead from his mission in his older years. Now acts in which I post showed how paul taught against the law. Yall got to know who is writing, know when they quote scripture and know when they give their opinions. That prophecy was for peter and john gave his thoughts

 

[Rock_Well]

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[Rock_Well]

No doubt brother, @solid analysis.... excuse my brashness from earlier. I let some of the debate get to me a little.

The dates on that list are certainly not accurate, but the chronology of the physical evidence also corresponds to the historical record.

it all good i don't mind; but yea the flames was turnt all the way up in here for a second lol

John 21:18 that's john talking giving his thoughts, again Yahushua gave Peter a prophecy that he will be mislead from his mission in his older years. Now acts in which I post showed how paul taught against the law. Yall got to know who is writing, know when they quote scripture and know when they give their opinions. That prophecy was for peter and john gave his thoughts

it seem this one of the areas in which our application of the scriptures don't match, though we reading the same scriptures. John 21:19 says the prophecy is about Peter's death. That doesn't match what you say. And I understand you view Paul as a 'liar' of sorts, but if that is true then we still have a problem with 2 Peter 3:15-16 and the Holy Spirit supporting such 'liar'. Not to mention the others (John, James) who extended fellowship to him. And worse, if Paul writings is NOT scripture, you would have the Holy Spirit lying in 2 Peter3:15-16 by referring to his writings as scripture, but we know God cannot lie.

The lie comes in when these false teachers speak contrary to the word calling Paul a false apostle. I don't know why yall listen to those men.

 

[waterproof]

Again John 21:19 is John view/opinion on the saying of Yahushua, now ask yourself this question @solidanalysis how do you or the John get death from Yahushua prophecy to Peter.

If that prophecy was about the crucifixion of Peter than Yahushua would of put the events is chronological order like he did with his first statement to peter.

Yahushua prophecy is about the testimony of Peter that will change, his testimony of Yahushua his and the father word, his mission to continuing feeding the sheep with the truth of the law and the son.

Yahushua told Peter that if Peter love him that he would feed his sheep, bearing witness to the truth and lessons of The Law and Yahushua and his ministry. And Yahushua was letting Peter know that in the future when you are older you will outstretch your hands to feed the sheep another will bind you and take you where you do not want to go, meaning somebody will stop him from feeding the sheep as he should. Somebody will lead Peter away from that mission and Yahushua is warning him that, that's where he should not go.

2nd Peter 3:15-16 is prophecy being fulfilled. And the Rauch have nothing to do with it because it was not mention. When the Holy Spirit comes people will make known the holy spirit is present, yall need to really stop that.

 

[waterproof]

Deuteronomy 13

13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other elohim, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for YHWH your Elohim proveth you, to know whether ye love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after YHWH your Elohim, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.:27 And when

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from YHWH your Elohim, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which YHWH thy Elohim commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

If any so-called Prophet, Disciple or Apostle teaches anything that goes against the Commandments then he is a false prophet.

Acts 21:18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.

21:19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things YHWH had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.

21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified YHWH, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.[/b

Hebrews knew that Paul was not teaching from the Torah like all The Prophets and Yahushua had done.

:27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this set-apart place.

21:29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)

21:30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.



So Paul taught Gentiles against The People aka Hebrews, the Law aka The Torah and this place aka The Temple., James letter in the dead sea scroll called Shaul the wicked priest. The early church fathers and Hebrews knew what Paul was up to.

The Hebrews went to James and told James that Shaul was teaching not of the Torah

GET THIS UNDERSTANDING

 

[judahxulu]

Man yall trying to swallow a camel yet straining at a gnat. Just use the book we talking about...Yeshua says you can tell a tree by its fruits. What are the fruiits of a Pauline doctrine? Of Christianity vis a vis Constantine? Truth is simple brethren.

 

[judahxulu]

Another scripture by the brother Paul admitting to being a Pharisee and a Israelite.

Acts 23:6

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Romans 11:1

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

you dumb ass that's because he was about to be killed by a pharisee and he let them know that he was one of them, lol.... i told you about shaul you stupid ass, the pharisee's that sit in Moses seat was not hebrew according to scripture and Yahushua and when shit about to hit the fan he his true colors showed, he's a roman and a pharisee, scriptures calls hebrews like that scropions

LMBO, this is the biggest laugh I had all day. Obviously you have something in your spirit that's preventing you from accepting the truth. Paul, who wrote half of the New Testament admits to being a pharisee and a Israelite but still waterproof cannot accept the truth.

Are you blinded?

Why would your god allow a false Apostle to write half of the New Testament? Lol

I am done with you... You are a joke and a waste of time.

Peace

Nigga there you go with this false premise shit. Show me where Yahwah allows or disallows people to write what the fuck they want. Man has free will nigga.

Im a Maritan and a metallurgist. Jesus came to me in a vision and told me to tell you what he said. No what Im saying is opposite to what the people whop taught him said but you should believe me because I seen him in a vision on the side of Martin Luther King Blvd...

Nigga thats how stupid that Pauline doctrine sounds to the studied....

Don't play stupid now.. The KJV or any other similar Bible has been the main book used in African American churches and elsewhere across the world. So my question is, why is Paul allowed to write half of the New Testament if you say he is a false Apostle? Most religious literature that blacks and other people have used throughout the world has included the New Testament and Paul.. Moses heard a voice out of a burning bush so I guess you're saying it's impossible for Paul to hear a voice just because your DOCTRINE does not agree with what he taught.

Are you saying Yeshua was lying to Paul in the scripture below?

Acts 26:14

And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:15 "Then I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?' "'I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,' the Lord replied.

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And if the KJV Bible, New Testament, and Paul are all FALSE as you claim then WHERE IS YOUR GOD INSPIRED RELIGIOUS LITERATURE ?? You keep ignoring that question.

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Can you read nigga? Paul was allowed to write whatever the fuck he wanted to because we have free will. Aint no most religious people use shit..Fake ass nigga using words like "most" with no numbers to back it up. I dont have a doctrine. Pauls writings are illigetimate purely on their own meit, or lack thereof. The new testament is illegitimate. Constantine made that up. Constantine was not ordained by the Creator. Truth is simple. There is no religious literature nigga. I read the Tanach and other books. Every individual book has a different author or authors, different motivations, historical periods etc. I take all that into consideration per individual book and actually put in the long hours figuring out. The biggest question is why are you going so hard on the subject but you havent done that and you dont know shit about the original texts in Hebrew or Greek. It amazes me how in your own heart you would even dare form an opinion or much less speak on such matters without thoroughly investigating. It boggles the mind...

So you're saying your all knowing god ordained 400 year captivity for blacks and foresaw us being indoctrinated in a KJV Bible which you claim to be false. Also which contains what you say is a false Apostle. So now more ppl will be killed for not knowing which book to use. That makes a lot of sense and why I only worship Yeshua Father Abba. So the goal of a Tanach only Israelite is to pray to your god that you be among the remnants left after everyone else is put to death... I think I'm good going the way of Yeshua, he is the way, the truth, and the life.

Are you stupid? I keep talking about the original Hebrew scriptures over and over and over again..so why the hell do you keep trying to ask me loaded questions centered around the KJV when its plain as day that I dont consider that translation and compilation authoritative. The prophecies in the Tanakh speak nothing about Israelites being the last people on earth or whatever eird shit you trying to say. Not at all. Thats in your stupid head. The book dont say that dummy. No ones going to get killed over the book either dummy. Its about right vs wrong. Thats it. All you can do is argue. Prove how what youre saying increases peace in concrete reality and not your bullshit theories. Then once again I will show you the fruits of my worship. But you will only ignore it and purposely sow confusion over insignifigant details and your misconceptions based on the KJV hoax. Yeshua is an Israelite nigga. If you think you are following him dissing Hebrews and the Creator whose name in short form is the first syllable of Yeshuas name then youre three notches below a damn fool. You make no sense at all...

 

[judahxulu]

bambu, it's not my opinon.. you can check these sites tho.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm

Bobby Hemmitt breaks it all down at the link below... It's a 13 part series.
http://www.rbgtube.com/play.php?vid=5057

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Bobby Hemmit practices witchcraft and bisexuality dummy...

The original Christians were esoteric Gnosticism

No they were the Ebionites. And they still identified themselves as Israelites and still worshipped the God of Israel. Do you dudes really go that weak on the study tip? This is basic ass shit..

 

[judahxulu]

The only reason I posted that video is because you act like you cannot read any referenced materials. And if it is not your interpretation, why do you keep spilling all over this board?

I do not have any questions to be answered, again...you post views that are not yours with no references.

It appears that you should be looking for answers, you support a Christian doctrine, but jumped subjects when brother samurais brought it up.

and that goofball who attempted to refute Acharya's research failed miserably.

If you don't believe any of the New Testament gospels then that's 'your truth.' I could care less what you believe is accurate according to history. And yes, I've already read referenced materials, you should try looking up some yourself if you are seeking information, that's what I do. You found a video that attempts to debunk the New Testament so nothing should be stopping you from conducting other research. But hey Acharya S also teaches that Yahweh was known as Baal and teaches against the Old Testament being accurate to history as well. So much for who you rely on.

And that goofball is not the only one who refuted the atheist Acharya, that was part 1 of his video first of all and many others have refuted her as well.

You are a fool if you think that Acharya has "my truth." I told you I only posted the video because you do not read well.

I am a historian, so any historical inaccuracies surrounding any religion are on my radar.

And I see what you did there..... Attempting to divert the historical heat away from your anointed one. How dare you attack my Hebrew brothers when you uphold a faulty doctrine. We have already had several discussions concerning Hebrew beliefs. Defend your research and beliefs or GTFOHWTBS!!!!

It appears you are only in this thread seeking some attention. If Acharya research is not your version of truth then don't post Acharya research in this thread or present it as a reliable source for someone to trust in. I could care less about her or your views on the historical accuracy of the New Testament or Yeshua. And nobody is in here attacking anyone, but you and others who don't agree with your version of truth. You slithering in here like a snake into an exchange between myself and someone else just to try to gain attention and to start an altercation. I smelled you a million miles away. Lol, I have my own views and they have their own views. This is my thread so I will continue to post my research, I'm not in your thread attempting to force my views on you am I? Now get your wack fake historian ass out of here with your faulty Yeshua/Horus connection doctrines. And once again for the real dummy that cannot read, Yaldabaoth being the hebrew god is not of any private interpretation or research.. THIS HAS BEEN TAUGHT EVER SENSE 2,000 YEARS AGO ACCORDING TO THE EARLY GNOSTIC GOSPELS. Again if you want to know the exact connection then simply do some RESEARCH into how they made the connection. How hard is that?

Nigga please..... you have yet to post evidence of the bolded and underlined, but you keep posting the shit.

You clearly do not understand that the archons correlated to the seven heavens.

then you can't read scripture, in the book of acts with the holy spirit giving the apostle peter a sign they found judas replacement, to be a discipline or one Of The 12 disciplesyou have to be taught and walk with yahushua, it's in the book of acts. After the death of the disciples there are no more apostles. In revelation the 12 disciples will have a seat over the 12 tribes, not 13. u do the math

Jesus Christ Himself called Saul/Paul to be His apostle. Paul glorified Jesus Christ from the time he was called by Christ (knocked off the horse and rendered blind) till the time he was martyred for the cause of Jesus Christ. You're preaching another gospel.

No. Paul said that Jesus said that lol. Wheres the logic?

 

[Rock_Well]

Again John 21:19 is John view/opinion on the saying of Yahushua, now ask yourself this question @solidanalysis how do you or the John get death from Yahushua prophecy to Peter.

If that prophecy was about the crucifixion of Peter than Yahushua would of put the events is chronological order like he did with his first statement to peter.

Yahushua prophecy is about the testimony of Peter that will change, his testimony of Yahushua his and the father word, his mission to continuing feeding the sheep with the truth of the law and the son.

Yahushua told Peter that if Peter love him that he would feed his sheep, bearing witness to the truth and lessons of The Law and Yahushua and his ministry. And Yahushua was letting Peter know that in the future when you are older you will outstretch your hands to feed the sheep another will bind you and take you where you do not want to go, meaning somebody will stop him from feeding the sheep as he should. Somebody will lead Peter away from that mission and Yahushua is warning him that, that's where he should not go.

2nd Peter 3:15-16 is prophecy being fulfilled. And the Rauch have nothing to do with it because it was not mention. When the Holy Spirit comes people will make known the holy spirit is present, yall need to really stop that.

Nah i know the Spirit isnt directly mention but the reason i say the Spirit is because Peter say he wrote by inspiration...to write by inspiration mean that the words came directly from the SPirit remember Jesus said he would send the comforter to the Apostles which is the Spirit that would guide them into all truth that's how we know we can trust the word they delivered us. Paul claimed to write by inspiration too. So either unless Peter did not write 2 Peter 3:15-16 by inspiration, that would be the Spirit words, though written through Peter.

 

[waterproof]

@beenwize so that's how u get down proudly sending people to links by people who is against Yah, Really a bisexual that practice witchcraft...bobby hemit, lol. I told you was attract to those type of spirits. Thats worst then when you came back preaching that we all under alien control and Yahushua is an alien, the aliens wrote the holy books and build the pyramid and u tried to lead me to a book and a site by a women who said she's an alien trapped on earth

 

[beenwize]

Another scripture by the brother Paul admitting to being a Pharisee and a Israelite.

Acts 23:6

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Romans 11:1

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

you dumb ass that's because he was about to be killed by a pharisee and he let them know that he was one of them, lol.... i told you about shaul you stupid ass, the pharisee's that sit in Moses seat was not hebrew according to scripture and Yahushua and when shit about to hit the fan he his true colors showed, he's a roman and a pharisee, scriptures calls hebrews like that scropions

LMBO, this is the biggest laugh I had all day. Obviously you have something in your spirit that's preventing you from accepting the truth. Paul, who wrote half of the New Testament admits to being a pharisee and a Israelite but still waterproof cannot accept the truth.

Are you blinded?

Why would your god allow a false Apostle to write half of the New Testament? Lol

I am done with you... You are a joke and a waste of time.

Peace

Nigga there you go with this false premise shit. Show me where Yahwah allows or disallows people to write what the fuck they want. Man has free will nigga.

Im a Maritan and a metallurgist. Jesus came to me in a vision and told me to tell you what he said. No what Im saying is opposite to what the people whop taught him said but you should believe me because I seen him in a vision on the side of Martin Luther King Blvd...

Nigga thats how stupid that Pauline doctrine sounds to the studied....

Don't play stupid now.. The KJV or any other similar Bible has been the main book used in African American churches and elsewhere across the world. So my question is, why is Paul allowed to write half of the New Testament if you say he is a false Apostle? Most religious literature that blacks and other people have used throughout the world has included the New Testament and Paul.. Moses heard a voice out of a burning bush so I guess you're saying it's impossible for Paul to hear a voice just because your DOCTRINE does not agree with what he taught.

Are you saying Yeshua was lying to Paul in the scripture below?

Acts 26:14

And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:15 "Then I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?' "'I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,' the Lord replied.

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And if the KJV Bible, New Testament, and Paul are all FALSE as you claim then WHERE IS YOUR GOD INSPIRED RELIGIOUS LITERATURE ?? You keep ignoring that question.

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Can you read nigga? Paul was allowed to write whatever the fuck he wanted to because we have free will. Aint no most religious people use shit..Fake ass nigga using words like "most" with no numbers to back it up. I dont have a doctrine. Pauls writings are illigetimate purely on their own meit, or lack thereof. The new testament is illegitimate. Constantine made that up. Constantine was not ordained by the Creator. Truth is simple. There is no religious literature nigga. I read the Tanach and other books. Every individual book has a different author or authors, different motivations, historical periods etc. I take all that into consideration per individual book and actually put in the long hours figuring out. The biggest question is why are you going so hard on the subject but you havent done that and you dont know shit about the original texts in Hebrew or Greek. It amazes me how in your own heart you would even dare form an opinion or much less speak on such matters without thoroughly investigating. It boggles the mind...

So you're saying your all knowing god ordained 400 year captivity for blacks and foresaw us being indoctrinated in a KJV Bible which you claim to be false. Also which contains what you say is a false Apostle. So now more ppl will be killed for not knowing which book to use. That makes a lot of sense and why I only worship Yeshua Father Abba. So the goal of a Tanach only Israelite is to pray to your god that you be among the remnants left after everyone else is put to death... I think I'm good going the way of Yeshua, he is the way, the truth, and the life.

Are you stupid? I keep talking about the original Hebrew scriptures over and over and over again..so why the hell do you keep trying to ask me loaded questions centered around the KJV when its plain as day that I dont consider that translation and compilation authoritative. The prophecies in the Tanakh speak nothing about Israelites being the last people on earth or whatever eird shit you trying to say. Not at all. Thats in your stupid head. The book dont say that dummy. No ones going to get killed over the book either dummy. Its about right vs wrong. Thats it. All you can do is argue. Prove how what youre saying increases peace in concrete reality and not your bullshit theories. Then once again I will show you the fruits of my worship. But you will only ignore it and purposely sow confusion over insignifigant details and your misconceptions based on the KJV hoax. Yeshua is an Israelite nigga. If you think you are following him dissing Hebrews and the Creator whose name in short form is the first syllable of Yeshuas name then youre three notches below a damn fool. You make no sense at all...

shut your super religious non spiritual unregernerated ass up.. You still didn't answer none of my questions dummy. Once again most of the blacks from the slave trade, if they are into the Bible they are into the WHOLE book and not half a book as you are reprobate. And it's been that way for over 400 years. And if Bobby Hemmitt is bi-sexual or not where is your proof? And what does that have to do with the information he is putting out? Obviously, you can't handle him putting the info out there so your aim is character assasination. And is your dumbass bearing false witness? Where is your proof on him being bisexual? Lol, and waterproof shut your ass up, you still don't understand scripture either while you over there trying to discredit Paul while Peter backed up Paul and said your ass was on a path do destruction. If you don't want Paul then get your ass out the entire New Testament. You over there quoting scripture saying if a prophet arise who is a dreamer of dreams don't listen to that prophet. Well, you listening to the Jesus character of the New Testament and all the other Apostles... Lol, you dumbass.

that's why solid analysis and ascen both shut your ass down and you left with no reply.

 

[waterproof]

Shut up you wicked person, I answered them and showed scripture

 

[beenwize]

Shut up you wicked person, I answered them and showed scripture

wicked? you don't even know me dude so stfu..

 

[beenwize]

The entire New Testament is about spiritual transformation, rebirth, regeneration and doing the INNER WORK and Paul went indepth with that more than any other Apostle. He understood that keeping worldly laws and religious rituals of dead letters had nothing to do with the spirit. judahxulu you are NON spiritual, keeping dead letter laws is not worth shyt to spiritual growth and regeneration.

no wonder you don't believe in a heaven or afterlife.. you stuck in bondage of earthly elements with your religious rituals and keeping of wordly laws. Lol

2 Corinthians 3:6-20

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[beenwize]

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=plcp
=relmfu

 

[beenwize]

2 Corinthians 3:13-15

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

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2 Corinthians 4:3

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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This scripture is for you judahxulu since you think the New Testament plan of salvation is foolish.. The god of this world has blinded your mind I see.

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

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[judahxulu]

sorry, but the teaching that Paul is a false apostle clearly does not come from the bible, it comes from a denial of what the bible teaches.

Yall have Peter as an apostle, but who can correctly answer this question:what books in the Bible did Peter write by inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

The entire New Testament is about spiritual transformation, rebirth, regeneration and doing the INNER WORK and Paul went indepth with that more than any other Apostle. He understood that keeping worldly laws and religious rituals of dead letters had nothing to do with the spirit. judahxulu you are NON spiritual, keeping dead letter laws is not worth shyt to spiritual growth and regeneration.

no wonder you don't believe in a heaven or afterlife.. you stuck in bondage of earthly elements with your religious rituals and keeping of wordly laws. Lol

2 Corinthians 3:6-20

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

paul was hellenizing/perverting an esoteric understanding of hebraic law stupid. learn hebrew.

 

[beenwize]

"Many of us were taught to believe that a white, moody, and male God power sits somewhere in the sky watching us. Somehow we are asked to believe that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God created all people, but only acknowledges those who read the right books, pray the proper prayers, believe a certain tenet, or follow specific rituals. The idea that any child will die and not return to God because she didn’t follow the right dogma is plausible to those who put religion before God. Fear silences the loving heart."

This quote is from LIFE by Cynthia Occelli

 

[beenwize]

Some scripture from the Apocryphan (secret) book of John..

Among the several dozen ancient Gnostic manuscripts rediscovered in modern times, the Secret Book of John is generally agreed to be the most important. It has been called the locus classicus for the Gnostic mythological system –in sum, it is the preeminent “Gnostic Gospel”, a sacred reservoir for the defining essence of Gnostic myth and revelation. It breathes with the life of vision that vitalized early Christianity, a life suppressed and then largely forgotten in later ages. From a modern reading of this crucially important and recently rediscovered "Gospel", we are granted fundamental insights into the lost foundations of Christian tradition.

Apocryphon Iohannis –the Apocryphon of John –is the title that appears on the original manuscripts, and by this title the text has been known in scholarly circles over the last fifty years. In Greek, apocryphon literally means “hidden” or “secret”, thus in recent popular literature the title is usually translated as either the Secret Book of John or The Secret Revelation of John.

By its own declaration, the Secret Book of John is a sacred text intended to be shared only with individuals properly prepared to receive its revelation. In second-century Christian communions circulation of the text probably remained restricted. Amazingly, despite limited circulation and the effective later efforts by evolving Christian orthodoxy to destroy all such “heretical” scriptures, four separate manuscripts of the SBJ have survived into our own age. Three of these were found among the Nag Hammadi codices discovered in 1945, while a fourth copy was independently recovered fifty years earlier from another site in Egypt. All four versions date to the fourth century. Three of the four appear to be independently produced Coptic translations of an original text in Greek. Two of the four manuscripts (NHC II and NHC IV) are so similar that they most likely represent copies of a single common source.

To put in context the uniqueness of finding four complete copies of a document of this extreme antiquity, note that we possess only two fairly complete manuscripts of the canonical gospels of equal age (the Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus). Only a few fragments of canonical texts with dates of creation earlier than the fourth century have survived. These four manuscripts of the Apocryphon of John represent some of the oldest known surviving books. From the ancient sands of Egypt, they come to our modern age bearing a timeless message.

The Secret Book of John is the one Gnostic text every student seeking to understand the roots of ancient Christianity must read. At first reading it will seem unlike anything encountered in the New Testament --excepting perhaps the Apocalypse of John. Like the Apocalypse, this too is a revelation text, a secret and sacred vision. It is the story of God, and by reflection, the story of Humankind -- a penetrating psychological reflection on the source of consciousness and the existential predicament of an eternal light indwelling life. It is not an intellectual curiosity, nor is it a text to be "surfed", in the perverse sense of modern internet reading. As Prof Karen King notes:

In antiquity, readers studied the Secret Revelation of John in order to perfect the divine image of their souls; it was composed, translated, and distributed largely to further salvation—or to refute its claims to aid in salvation. In the modern world, however, it has rarely been read with such goals in mind. It usually finds its place either in the theology of orthodox Christianity as a chapter on Gnostic heresy or in disputes about the historical origins and definition of Gnosticism. Within the academy more narrowly its value largely has to do with intellectual production and prestige, including concerns about tenure and promotion—salvation, if you will, of a rather different sort. As the Secret Revelation of John becomes known more widely, we may expect it to have new and varied impacts on early Christian historiography, constructive theology, and personal appropriation. In any case, modern readers do not stand outside the work's history, but take it up on a new historical stage. (King, p 23)

The resources in this collection are intended to assist study of the Secret Revelation -- the Secret Book, the Apocryphon -- of John, to help it become more widely known, to aid the "personal appropriation" by modern readers who now surprisingly find themselves part of its history.

In addition to the materials presented here, we strongly advise serious students obtain two excellent books. The first is Stevan Davies' superb new translation of The Secret Book of John. Davies has produced a readable translation that is profoundly true to the source material: it is both accurate and beautiful. Davies' translation is accompanied by an excellent verse by verse commentary on facing pages. For any reader, this is the place to start. The second book is Karen King's The Secret Revelation of John. This is an extensive and scholarly -- but still very readable -- study of the text and the cultural milieu that influenced and in turn was influenced by the Apocryphon Iohannis.

-- Lance Owens