Was Fat Joe ever the king of New York???

[Billy_Poncho]

When your character walks in the ring to "Take A Look At My Life" when you're about to fight Crack >>>>>

 

[water ur seeds]

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

Yea, if you add up all 10 albums... He only has ONE Platinum album. Your record sales logic is a little fuckered up. We know damn well album sales don't equal to be the king of anything. If that's the case Ja Rule was the king at a time & that's a lie. Joe never did anything to justify that status or even the status of a great MC for that matter. Always followed trends & never came with shit that was genuine. Once Pun died it seems Joe gave up on trying to be somewhat lyrical & tired his best next decade to get radio play with some degrees of success, but no one up on hip hop at that time would take him seriously as king of anything.

Thats what Im saying, JOSE was double plat or near, Don Cartagena was gold, the rest added together is over 3mil... Im not equating record sales to being K.O.N.Y, but its part of it...

Joe followed trends??? Hes been wrecking schitt for 25 years, dude was wearing sheep skin jackets in the South Bronx before he was a rapper lol What trends did he follow??? He has EVOLVED and stayed relevant, just like most artists have to, from Jay, Nas, 50, Dr Dre to Madonna!!!

He's always kept it street aside from lead singles for the clubs and radio, which is standard, but he also spits conscious schitt too... Him and Birdman were one of the first to help make DJ Khaled the star he is...

He has tunes with Diamond D, Scarface, Big L, KRS, Guru, MOP, Sadat X, Doug E Fresh, Mad Lion, Smiff n Wessun, Birdman, Wayne, Kool G Rap, Nas, Raekwon, Premo, Finesse, LL, Mobb Deep, Nas, Cormega, Jada to EM and T.I... Oh and Big Pun... Thats a list of whos who in rap, and shows the respect he has in in the industry... And theres probably loads Ive missed...

 

[grYmes]

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

Yea, if you add up all 10 albums... He only has ONE Platinum album. Your record sales logic is a little fuckered up. We know damn well album sales don't equal to be the king of anything. If that's the case Ja Rule was the king at a time & that's a lie. Joe never did anything to justify that status or even the status of a great MC for that matter. Always followed trends & never came with shit that was genuine. Once Pun died it seems Joe gave up on trying to be somewhat lyrical & tired his best next decade to get radio play with some degrees of success, but no one up on hip hop at that time would take him seriously as king of anything.

Thats what Im saying, JOSE was double plat or near, Don Cartagena was gold, the rest added together is over 3mil...

Joe followed trends??? Hes been wrecking schitt for 25 years, dude was wearing sheep skin jackets in the South Bronx before he was a rapper lol What trends did he follow??? He has EVOLVED and stayed relevant, just like most artists have to, from Jay, Nas, 50 and Madonna!!!

He's always kept it street aside from lead singles for the clubs and radio, which is standard, but he also spits conscious schitt too... Him and Birdman were one of the first to help make DJ Khaled the star he is...

He has tunes with Diamond D, Scarface, Big L, KRS, Guru, MOP, Sadat X, Doug E Fresh, Mad Lion, Smiff n Wessun, Birdman, Wayne, Kool G Rap, Nas, Raekwon, Premo, Finesse, LL, Mobb Deep, Nas, Cormega, Jada to EM and T.I... Oh and Big Pun... Thats a list of whos who in rap, and shows the respect he has in in the industry... And theres probably loads Ive missed...

-The sales aspect don't mean shit.

-Joe was damn near a southern artist the other half of his career.

-What the hell does sheep skin jackets gotta do with rappin. I'm talking about strictly music here.

-Puttin on DJ Khaled don't got shit to do with this (if anything it makes me laugh, letting that overpaid hypeman onto the rap world)

-He's not nice on the mic, other than bits & pieces over the years (which I'm sure was ghostwritten).

- He has joints with all them dudes that I know for a fact 95% outshined him in his own shit.

-When the last time anyone talked about wantin to cop that new Fat Joe? I'll wait.

-How you mention Jay, Nas, & Madonna in the same sentence? WTF?

 

[water ur seeds]

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

Yea, if you add up all 10 albums... He only has ONE Platinum album. Your record sales logic is a little fuckered up. We know damn well album sales don't equal to be the king of anything. If that's the case Ja Rule was the king at a time & that's a lie. Joe never did anything to justify that status or even the status of a great MC for that matter. Always followed trends & never came with shit that was genuine. Once Pun died it seems Joe gave up on trying to be somewhat lyrical & tired his best next decade to get radio play with some degrees of success, but no one up on hip hop at that time would take him seriously as king of anything.

Thats what Im saying, JOSE was double plat or near, Don Cartagena was gold, the rest added together is over 3mil...

Joe followed trends??? Hes been wrecking schitt for 25 years, dude was wearing sheep skin jackets in the South Bronx before he was a rapper lol What trends did he follow??? He has EVOLVED and stayed relevant, just like most artists have to, from Jay, Nas, 50 and Madonna!!!

He's always kept it street aside from lead singles for the clubs and radio, which is standard, but he also spits conscious schitt too... Him and Birdman were one of the first to help make DJ Khaled the star he is...

He has tunes with Diamond D, Scarface, Big L, KRS, Guru, MOP, Sadat X, Doug E Fresh, Mad Lion, Smiff n Wessun, Birdman, Wayne, Kool G Rap, Nas, Raekwon, Premo, Finesse, LL, Mobb Deep, Nas, Cormega, Jada to EM and T.I... Oh and Big Pun... Thats a list of whos who in rap, and shows the respect he has in in the industry... And theres probably loads Ive missed...

-The sales aspect don't mean shit.

-Joe was damn near a southern artist the other half of his career.

-What the hell does sheep skin jackets gotta do with rappin. I'm talking about strictly music here.

-Puttin on DJ Khaled don't got shit to do with this (if anything it makes me laugh, letting that overpaid hypeman onto the rap world)

-He's not nice on the mic, other than bits & pieces over the years (which I'm sure was ghostwritten).

- He has joints with all them dudes that I know for a fact 95% outshined him in his own shit.

-When the last time anyone talked about wantin to cop that new Fat Joe? I'll wait.

-How you mention Jay, Nas, & Madonna in the same sentence? WTF?

Sales does mean schitt, ask Jay, 50 and Wayne and Nas...

Sheep Skin jackets in the 80s was referring to you saying he followed trends... Which also follows on to the point about DJ Khaled, he helped make him the star is now, everyone is on that schitt now or at one point, Joe was one of the first...

Are you serious, Joe bodied most cats on the fckn mic... Which goes to show, you really havnt actually listened to his music... Only his wack singles like 'Lean Back'...

I copped 'Darkside', it was fckn dope and most cats over 26 who like real hip hop music will tell you the same thing...

And I guess I need to spell it out for you, the reason I mentioned them in the same sentence was to prove the point that every ARTIST from Jay-Z allll the way to Madonna have to EVLOVE as artists...

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Cot damn at nobody voting yes

 

[grYmes]

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

Yea, if you add up all 10 albums... He only has ONE Platinum album. Your record sales logic is a little fuckered up. We know damn well album sales don't equal to be the king of anything. If that's the case Ja Rule was the king at a time & that's a lie. Joe never did anything to justify that status or even the status of a great MC for that matter. Always followed trends & never came with shit that was genuine. Once Pun died it seems Joe gave up on trying to be somewhat lyrical & tired his best next decade to get radio play with some degrees of success, but no one up on hip hop at that time would take him seriously as king of anything.

Thats what Im saying, JOSE was double plat or near, Don Cartagena was gold, the rest added together is over 3mil...

Joe followed trends??? Hes been wrecking schitt for 25 years, dude was wearing sheep skin jackets in the South Bronx before he was a rapper lol What trends did he follow??? He has EVOLVED and stayed relevant, just like most artists have to, from Jay, Nas, 50 and Madonna!!!

He's always kept it street aside from lead singles for the clubs and radio, which is standard, but he also spits conscious schitt too... Him and Birdman were one of the first to help make DJ Khaled the star he is...

He has tunes with Diamond D, Scarface, Big L, KRS, Guru, MOP, Sadat X, Doug E Fresh, Mad Lion, Smiff n Wessun, Birdman, Wayne, Kool G Rap, Nas, Raekwon, Premo, Finesse, LL, Mobb Deep, Nas, Cormega, Jada to EM and T.I... Oh and Big Pun... Thats a list of whos who in rap, and shows the respect he has in in the industry... And theres probably loads Ive missed...

-The sales aspect don't mean shit.

-Joe was damn near a southern artist the other half of his career.

-What the hell does sheep skin jackets gotta do with rappin. I'm talking about strictly music here.

-Puttin on DJ Khaled don't got shit to do with this (if anything it makes me laugh, letting that overpaid hypeman onto the rap world)

-He's not nice on the mic, other than bits & pieces over the years (which I'm sure was ghostwritten).

- He has joints with all them dudes that I know for a fact 95% outshined him in his own shit.

-When the last time anyone talked about wantin to cop that new Fat Joe? I'll wait.

-How you mention Jay, Nas, & Madonna in the same sentence? WTF?

Sales does mean schitt, ask Jay, 50 and Wayne and Nas...

Sheep Skin jackets in the 80s was referring to you saying he followed trends... Which also follows on to the point about DJ Khaled, he helped make him the star is now, everyone is on that schitt now or at one point, Joe was one of the first...

Are you serious, Joe bodied most cats on the fckn mic... Which goes to show, you really havnt actually listened to his music... Only his wack singles like 'Lean Back'...

I copped 'Darkside', it was fckn dope and most cats over 26 who like real hip hop music will tell you the same thing...

And I guess I need to spell it out for you, the reason I mentioned them in the same sentence was to prove the point that every ARTIST from Jay-Z allll the way to Madonna have to EVLOVE as artists...

Lol, you sound a lil lost dude. This about Joe being a viable MC right? I don't see Joe on nobodies 10 ten, hell even top 25 and you big him up like he's a fuckin legend. When it comes to THIS conversaton no to me the sales don't mean shit. This about the music. I've listened to Joe's shit at least up until Darkside & while he's had his moments he ain't that nice. Who brings up Joe when it comes to the greats in hop hop? Fuck, who brings him up when it comes to the greats in NEW YORK? Dude hasn't evolved, he still says "crack" like that shit just came out.. Only thing that nigga evolved is his calorie intake. How the hell you even try to mention Jay & Madonna when it comes to evolving? One only talks about rich man bullshit & tries slight trap lines while pushin 50 (and Jay is a legend) to try to stay relevant. The other tries to be a sex symbol& looks like a pumpkin on my stoop in April. Stop tryin to take up for Joe, he average.

 

[water ur seeds]

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

Yea, if you add up all 10 albums... He only has ONE Platinum album. Your record sales logic is a little fuckered up. We know damn well album sales don't equal to be the king of anything. If that's the case Ja Rule was the king at a time & that's a lie. Joe never did anything to justify that status or even the status of a great MC for that matter. Always followed trends & never came with shit that was genuine. Once Pun died it seems Joe gave up on trying to be somewhat lyrical & tired his best next decade to get radio play with some degrees of success, but no one up on hip hop at that time would take him seriously as king of anything.

Thats what Im saying, JOSE was double plat or near, Don Cartagena was gold, the rest added together is over 3mil...

Joe followed trends??? Hes been wrecking schitt for 25 years, dude was wearing sheep skin jackets in the South Bronx before he was a rapper lol What trends did he follow??? He has EVOLVED and stayed relevant, just like most artists have to, from Jay, Nas, 50 and Madonna!!!

He's always kept it street aside from lead singles for the clubs and radio, which is standard, but he also spits conscious schitt too... Him and Birdman were one of the first to help make DJ Khaled the star he is...

He has tunes with Diamond D, Scarface, Big L, KRS, Guru, MOP, Sadat X, Doug E Fresh, Mad Lion, Smiff n Wessun, Birdman, Wayne, Kool G Rap, Nas, Raekwon, Premo, Finesse, LL, Mobb Deep, Nas, Cormega, Jada to EM and T.I... Oh and Big Pun... Thats a list of whos who in rap, and shows the respect he has in in the industry... And theres probably loads Ive missed...

-The sales aspect don't mean shit.

-Joe was damn near a southern artist the other half of his career.

-What the hell does sheep skin jackets gotta do with rappin. I'm talking about strictly music here.

-Puttin on DJ Khaled don't got shit to do with this (if anything it makes me laugh, letting that overpaid hypeman onto the rap world)

-He's not nice on the mic, other than bits & pieces over the years (which I'm sure was ghostwritten).

- He has joints with all them dudes that I know for a fact 95% outshined him in his own shit.

-When the last time anyone talked about wantin to cop that new Fat Joe? I'll wait.

-How you mention Jay, Nas, & Madonna in the same sentence? WTF?

Sales does mean schitt, ask Jay, 50 and Wayne and Nas...

Sheep Skin jackets in the 80s was referring to you saying he followed trends... Which also follows on to the point about DJ Khaled, he helped make him the star is now, everyone is on that schitt now or at one point, Joe was one of the first...

Are you serious, Joe bodied most cats on the fckn mic... Which goes to show, you really havnt actually listened to his music... Only his wack singles like 'Lean Back'...

I copped 'Darkside', it was fckn dope and most cats over 26 who like real hip hop music will tell you the same thing...

And I guess I need to spell it out for you, the reason I mentioned them in the same sentence was to prove the point that every ARTIST from Jay-Z allll the way to Madonna have to EVLOVE as artists...

Lol, you sound a lil lost dude. This about Joe being a viable MC right? I don't see Joe on nobodies 10 ten, hell even top 25 and you big him up like he's a fuckin legend. When it comes to THIS conversaton no to me the sales don't mean shit. This about the music. I've listened to Joe's shit at least up until Darkside & while he's had his moments he ain't that nice. Who brings up Joe when it comes to the greats in hop hop? Fuck, who brings him up when it comes to the greats in NEW YORK? Dude hasn't evolved, he still says "crack" like that shit just came out.. Only thing that nigga evolved is his calorie intake. How the hell you even try to mention Jay & Madonna when it comes to evolving? One only talks about rich man bullshit & tries slight trap lines while pushin 50 (and Jay is a legend) to try to stay relevant. The other tries to be a sex symbol& looks like a pumpkin on my stoop in April. Stop tryin to take up for Joe, he average.

I cant be assed to argue as its getting very tiresome, but for better or worse Jay and Madonna both evolved, clearly... As has Nas, LL Cool J, whether its just down to changing names, aliases etc etc etc...

All the other legends like KRS One give Joe his props... LL Cool J and Fat Joe are for some reason mad over looked... LL is on my Top15 of all time, Fat Joe is top 15 NY rappers of all time...

This wasnt about Joe being the GOAT, it was for being in a moment of time, the K.O.N.Y... Just like Ja could of staked a claim for a moment and Ja isnt in the top 50 of all time...

 

[grYmes]

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

Yea, if you add up all 10 albums... He only has ONE Platinum album. Your record sales logic is a little fuckered up. We know damn well album sales don't equal to be the king of anything. If that's the case Ja Rule was the king at a time & that's a lie. Joe never did anything to justify that status or even the status of a great MC for that matter. Always followed trends & never came with shit that was genuine. Once Pun died it seems Joe gave up on trying to be somewhat lyrical & tired his best next decade to get radio play with some degrees of success, but no one up on hip hop at that time would take him seriously as king of anything.

Thats what Im saying, JOSE was double plat or near, Don Cartagena was gold, the rest added together is over 3mil...

Joe followed trends??? Hes been wrecking schitt for 25 years, dude was wearing sheep skin jackets in the South Bronx before he was a rapper lol What trends did he follow??? He has EVOLVED and stayed relevant, just like most artists have to, from Jay, Nas, 50 and Madonna!!!

He's always kept it street aside from lead singles for the clubs and radio, which is standard, but he also spits conscious schitt too... Him and Birdman were one of the first to help make DJ Khaled the star he is...

He has tunes with Diamond D, Scarface, Big L, KRS, Guru, MOP, Sadat X, Doug E Fresh, Mad Lion, Smiff n Wessun, Birdman, Wayne, Kool G Rap, Nas, Raekwon, Premo, Finesse, LL, Mobb Deep, Nas, Cormega, Jada to EM and T.I... Oh and Big Pun... Thats a list of whos who in rap, and shows the respect he has in in the industry... And theres probably loads Ive missed...

-The sales aspect don't mean shit.

-Joe was damn near a southern artist the other half of his career.

-What the hell does sheep skin jackets gotta do with rappin. I'm talking about strictly music here.

-Puttin on DJ Khaled don't got shit to do with this (if anything it makes me laugh, letting that overpaid hypeman onto the rap world)

-He's not nice on the mic, other than bits & pieces over the years (which I'm sure was ghostwritten).

- He has joints with all them dudes that I know for a fact 95% outshined him in his own shit.

-When the last time anyone talked about wantin to cop that new Fat Joe? I'll wait.

-How you mention Jay, Nas, & Madonna in the same sentence? WTF?

Sales does mean schitt, ask Jay, 50 and Wayne and Nas...

Sheep Skin jackets in the 80s was referring to you saying he followed trends... Which also follows on to the point about DJ Khaled, he helped make him the star is now, everyone is on that schitt now or at one point, Joe was one of the first...

Are you serious, Joe bodied most cats on the fckn mic... Which goes to show, you really havnt actually listened to his music... Only his wack singles like 'Lean Back'...

I copped 'Darkside', it was fckn dope and most cats over 26 who like real hip hop music will tell you the same thing...

And I guess I need to spell it out for you, the reason I mentioned them in the same sentence was to prove the point that every ARTIST from Jay-Z allll the way to Madonna have to EVLOVE as artists...

Lol, you sound a lil lost dude. This about Joe being a viable MC right? I don't see Joe on nobodies 10 ten, hell even top 25 and you big him up like he's a fuckin legend. When it comes to THIS conversaton no to me the sales don't mean shit. This about the music. I've listened to Joe's shit at least up until Darkside & while he's had his moments he ain't that nice. Who brings up Joe when it comes to the greats in hop hop? Fuck, who brings him up when it comes to the greats in NEW YORK? Dude hasn't evolved, he still says "crack" like that shit just came out.. Only thing that nigga evolved is his calorie intake. How the hell you even try to mention Jay & Madonna when it comes to evolving? One only talks about rich man bullshit & tries slight trap lines while pushin 50 (and Jay is a legend) to try to stay relevant. The other tries to be a sex symbol& looks like a pumpkin on my stoop in April. Stop tryin to take up for Joe, he average.

I cant be assed to argue as its getting very tiresome, but for better or worse Jay and Madonna both evolved, clearly... As has Nas, LL Cool J, whether its just down to changing names, aliases etc etc etc...

All the other legends like KRS One give Joe his props... LL Cool J and Fat Joe are for some reason mad over looked... LL is on my Top15 of all time, Fat Joe is top 15 NY rappers of all time...

This wasnt about Joe being the GOAT, it was for being in a moment of time, the K.O.N.Y... Just like Ja could of staked a claim for a moment and Ja isnt in the top 50 of all time...

But they wern't at all. Joe & Ja wern't at ALL even sniffing that crown. Jay never relinquished it & while many can argue a case for 50 during this time, no one in their rabbit ass mind is bringing Joe & Ja up. Yes Jay & Madonna evolved but not for the better. As it pertains to quality anyways. Never said you claimed he was the GOAT, but all that was a lil Stanish.

 

[Beta]

48-0

 

[Lou Cypher]

I think he gets slept on and overlooked alot, but he was never king, there was always somebody in NY out shining him.

 

[THE_R_]

NAH, BUT HE'S UNDERRATED...

HIS VERSE ON FIREWATER IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE VERSES OF ALL TIME

 

[aladdin1978]

Who said yes?!?

 

[ReppinTime]

Rofl @ mid 00s.

Yall niggas wish 50 didn't happen sooooo bad.

50 hado it indisputably for

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05

06

07

50 was so fuckin dominant that jayz QUIT rapping to avoid competing with him. Literally took his ball and went home. And you niggas talkin bout some gotdam fat joe. Lmao. 50 damn movie soundtrack went plat.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

fat joe was a good all around rapper who was affiliated with slightly overrated legends that hip hop heads are in love with, but king? fuck no, he never really had that much impact commercially either. imo jada has a more solid claim to top 5 dead or alive than joe ever would to king

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

so basically jose sold all 3 million?

 

[dalyricalbandit]

Since Biggie's death

Big

X

Jay

Jay & nas

50

Jay

 

[numbaz...80's baby]

He's definitely underrated though.

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

He didn't get 5 seconds for lean back nah?

 

[freshb651]

Cot damn at nobody voting yes

Waterurseeds voted No and he's in here arguing for Joe, LOL

 

[water ur seeds]

48-0

 

[water ur seeds]

fat joe was a good all around rapper who was affiliated with slightly overrated legends that hip hop heads are in love with, but king? fuck no, he never really had that much impact commercially either. imo jada has a more solid claim to top 5 dead or alive than joe ever would to king

5. Most importantly, he has multiple gold and platinum albums...

No he doesn't, he only has 1 gold album and 1 plat album out of 10 albums

JOSE was multi plat... MULTI Platinum... As a solo artist he has sold over 3million records in his career...

so basically jose sold all 3 million?

No one was saying he was top5 doa, it was a was he holding the crown for a moment in time... Another online source says Joe has sold over 4million records, so I dont think anyone knows his sales...

Cot damn at nobody voting yes

Waterurseeds voted No and he's in here arguing for Joe, LOL

Haha yeah like I said I dont think he ever was, but he was commercially popping at one point (before the 50 beef) so thought it was worth discussing...