VH1 The Tanning Of America

[loch121]

@loch121 you gotta make a thread about that type of stuff, congrats

@mrcrookedletter I will when I can get a copy of the show

I try not to overdue the self promo in here other than my sig

I'm just here to talk shit like anybody else and learn something sometimes

I know niggas ain't really here for that but I can show shit better than I can tell it

 

[loch121]

@moneyluver is there a reason why you're wacking and nosigning my comments?

 

[MoneyLuver]

That ain't Me bruh.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

i liked the doc but the point of hip hop being the reason obama is president is a reach to me

Who votin for Obeezy babe?

Us yea..not tryna downplay hip hop but as time goes on and younger people start taking over, a country naturally becomes more progressive. Murica ain't special. Beezy had our vote anyway cuz he was the first viable black presidential nominee. We weren't gon pass that chance up.

The rest of the votes were from hipster white democrats, their hippy parents and mexicans. I don't think people were really like "oh I'm white but I listen to Jay so I'm cool with a black president"

If Hilary becomes first woman president in 2016 would hip hop be responsible for that?

If hill becomes president I think you could accredit a lot of that to the advancement in the lgbt & womens rights communities for shure ...any type of progression needs some agent of change to usher in these drifts in culture ...and to a large degree hip hop music hip hop culture was one of the first vessels (aside from pro sports maybe) that little white kids could use to idolize these young black men ...even if they didn't interact with blacks on a day to day basis ...the music made the black experience digestible and they ate that shit up ...just like they did with the blues ....just like they did with jazz ...only difference is hiphop blew up to be bigger than those genres and it captivated them in a way that they publicly were embracing the culture ... Their parents generation the "baby boomers" the "hippies" didn't have a phenomenon quite like that ...

If you look at the demographics for who voted Obeezy into office during the 08 election you'll see he dominated the 18-44 bracket ... All of which were either born during or were in their adolescents stage when hiphop was conceived and eventually took over ....I don't think that's just some random coincidence ...the kids who grew up admiring black culture admiring hip hop were more apt to vote in a black man ...I think the exposure and infatuation of black culture by way of hiphop had something to do with that and Obama being the tactful and skilled candidate that he was at the time.. played off of that throughout the election

You see those hippies weren't voting for Jesse Jackson's ass when he tried running for president in the early 90's right? It was the kids if those hippies that got it poppin ...and those kids were definitely impacted by hiphop

Now let me put this all in context .... I'm not saying hip hop culture is the sole reason he is in office by no means ...I think bush backlash had a lot to do with it as well ...however I dot think they really over stepped their point about its impact in the doc

 

[MR.CJ]

They are giving too much credit to crackas

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

I don't like Steve Stoute plus this doc is nothing I didn't already know

 

[geechee slim]

Its Rome and Egypt all over again.

Male enhancement pills

Butt pads for ladies

White dreads

White rappers (pushing the gay agenda)

And tanning.

Who needs niggas anymore?

 

[atribecalledgabi]

If hill becomes president I think you could accredit a lot of that to the advancement in the lgbt & womens rights communities for shure ...any type of progression needs some agent of change to usher in these drifts in culture ...and to a large degree hip hop music hip hop culture was one of the first vessels (aside from pro sports maybe) that little white kids could use to idolize these young black men ...even if they didn't interact with blacks on a day to day basis ...the music made the black experience digestible and they ate that shit up ...just like they did with the blues ....just like they did with jazz ...only difference is hiphop blew up to be bigger than those genres and it captivated them in a way that they publicly were embracing the culture ... Their parents generation the "baby boomers" the "hippies" didn't have a phenomenon quite like that ...

If you look at the demographics for who voted Obeezy into office during the 08 election you'll see he dominated the 18-44 bracket ... All of which were either born during or were in their adolescents stage when hiphop was conceived and eventually took over ....I don't think that's just some random coincidence ...the kids who grew up admiring black culture admiring hip hop were more apt to vote in a black man ...I think the exposure and infatuation of black culture by way of hiphop had something to do with that and Obama being the tactful and skilled candidate that he was at the time.. played off of that throughout the election

You see those hippies weren't voting for Jesse Jackson's ass when he tried running for president in the early 90's right? It was the kids if those hippies that got it poppin ...and those kids were definitely impacted by hiphop

Now let me put this all in context .... I'm not saying hip hop culture is the sole reason he is in office by no means ...I think bush backlash had a lot to do with it as well ...however I dot think they really over stepped their point about its impact in the doc

I'm not disagreeing that hip hop played a role in opening people's minds to this other group/culture they weren't previously exposed to...and yes it helped in a way.

I'm just saying...for all this social progress, how many white people do we know personally that ain't got a clue what it's like to be black or don't even try to understand? Most right? How many white people we know that embrace black culture via music, clothes, language, white chicks thinking they did something by fuckin a black dude, doing "ratchet" shit etc... but still don't really fuck with black people like that? A whooole fuckin lot.

All of us have had to side-eye or verbally check a non black person for dumb shit they've said or done regardless of them fuckin with certain aspects of our culture. Especially since hip hop isn't really seen as a positive outlet anymore.

Beezy came in at just the right time...he was young enough to connect to shit in our generation (music, movies/tv, sports, college, social media)..overall hes just a likable dude..Beezy just cool as fuck..and it didn't hurt that he's a democratic candidate, since most young and first time voters usually are democrats, or at least vote that way.

Again I'm not tryna downplay hip hop's cultural and social influence...I guess I'm just not really fully buying puff's "HIP HOP GOT HIM ELECTED" assertion.

 

[nujerz84]

Hiphop helped in a sense that it opened up the idea of black president in the present day as possible. Having said that Obama got more white votes than Kerry did.. that helped now if hiphop played a role we won't know perhaps with the young voters.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

If hill becomes president I think you could accredit a lot of that to the advancement in the lgbt & womens rights communities for shure ...any type of progression needs some agent of change to usher in these drifts in culture ...and to a large degree hip hop music hip hop culture was one of the first vessels (aside from pro sports maybe) that little white kids could use to idolize these young black men ...even if they didn't interact with blacks on a day to day basis ...the music made the black experience digestible and they ate that shit up ...just like they did with the blues ....just like they did with jazz ...only difference is hiphop blew up to be bigger than those genres and it captivated them in a way that they publicly were embracing the culture ... Their parents generation the "baby boomers" the "hippies" didn't have a phenomenon quite like that ...

If you look at the demographics for who voted Obeezy into office during the 08 election you'll see he dominated the 18-44 bracket ... All of which were either born during or were in their adolescents stage when hiphop was conceived and eventually took over ....I don't think that's just some random coincidence ...the kids who grew up admiring black culture admiring hip hop were more apt to vote in a black man ...I think the exposure and infatuation of black culture by way of hiphop had something to do with that and Obama being the tactful and skilled candidate that he was at the time.. played off of that throughout the election

You see those hippies weren't voting for Jesse Jackson's ass when he tried running for president in the early 90's right? It was the kids if those hippies that got it poppin ...and those kids were definitely impacted by hiphop

Now let me put this all in context .... I'm not saying hip hop culture is the sole reason he is in office by no means ...I think bush backlash had a lot to do with it as well ...however I dot think they really over stepped their point about its impact in the doc

I'm not disagreeing that hip hop played a role in opening people's minds to this other group/culture they weren't previously exposed to...and yes it helped in a way.

I'm just saying...for all this social progress, how many white people do we know personally that ain't got a clue what it's like to be black or don't even try to understand? Most right? How many white people we know that embrace black culture via music, clothes, language, white chicks thinking they did something by fuckin a black dude, doing "ratchet" shit etc... but still don't really fuck with black people like that? A whooole fuckin lot.

All of us have had to side-eye or verbally check a non black person for dumb shit they've said or done regardless of them fuckin with certain aspects of our culture. Especially since hip hop isn't really seen as a positive outlet anymore.

Beezy came in at just the right time...he was young enough to connect to shit in our generation (music, movies/tv, sports, college, social media)..overall hes just a likable dude..Beezy just cool as fuck..and it didn't hurt that he's a democratic candidate, since most young and first time voters usually are democrats, or at least vote that way.

Again I'm not tryna downplay hip hop's cultural and social influence...I guess I'm just not really fully buying puff's "HIP HOP GOT HIM ELECTED" assertion.

Dont get me twisted tho ... im not saying we are in this cornucopic state of racial understanding and empathy in no way ...

What I am saying tho... is that for those white folks to check the box and choose to elect a black man as the "leader of the free world" it took a certain level of familiarity a certain level of comfort with with black culture to make that decision ok in their minds ...and I think you can say hiphop culture had a very major role in that ..

...lemme kick it to you like this right...most people ..yourself and myself included would say that one of the clear reason people were attracted to Canidate Obama stems from his innate sense of "coolness" ...right? Now ...what does that mean? How do you quantify "cool" right... I'll tell you ...peep back when Obama hit that dirt off your shoulders bit during his speech when he started talking about other politicians hatin on him... That right there ...that's that "coolness" quantified as a tangible thing ...and he does shit like that all the time ...that connects with people ..and so much of his tangible "coolness" relates to him being able to connect with the youth ...and there's nothing more youth driven than hiphop ..they're synonymous with each other ..

So ...I get what puff is saying when he states that hiphop got Obeezy elected because I feel as though to a very large degree the cultures impact on him and in turn his ability to connect that with younger people in order to energize his base had an inescapable effect on the result ions of that '08 election ...So to that point I think puff is accurate ..now were I can understand your point is if Puff was saying that hiphop is the ONLY reason that Obeezy is in office ...if that was his message or his intent I can 1hunnid feel what your saying about shit being a stretch ...but I don't think that's what he meant ...dudes like puff know how to grab headlines and are the kings of uhhhhhh how do you say .....overstated hubris maybe? Lol ...grandstanding? Lol ...shit I can't really get the right word for it but to a man if you asked him "hey do you believe hiphop is the sole reason Obama is in office" I doubt he'd say "oh yeah without question" and because of that distinction I feel like I get where he was coming from with that statement ...as well as the other panelist who kinda alluded to the correlation as well ... I just don't think it's that egregious a statement once you put it in the right context..

And damn you Gabs! for making me "break character" and actually get into a bit of intelligent conversation on this muthafucka man ...lmao

 

[MzKB]

They are giving too much credit to crackas

Tommy Hilnigger in here lying his a$$ off!

 

[gee757]

Dont get me twisted tho ... im not saying we are in this cornucopic state of racial understanding and empathy in no way ...

What I am saying tho... is that for those white folks to check the box and choose to elect a black man as the "leader of the free world" it took a certain level of familiarity a certain level of comfort with with black culture to make that decision ok in their minds ...and I think you can say hiphop culture had a very major role in that ..

...lemme kick it to you like this right...most people ..yourself and myself included would say that one of the clear reason people were attracted to Canidate Obama stems from his innate sense of "coolness" ...right? Now ...what does that mean? How do you quantify "cool" right... I'll tell you ...peep back when Obama hit that dirt off your shoulders bit during his speech when he started talking about other politicians hatin on him... That right there ...that's that "coolness" quantified as a tangible thing ...and he does shit like that all the time ...that connects with people ..and so much of his tangible "coolness" relates to him being able to connect with the youth ...and there's nothing more youth driven than hiphop ..they're synonymous with each other ..

So ...I get what puff is saying when he states that hiphop got Obeezy elected because I feel as though to a very large degree the cultures impact on him and in turn his ability to connect that with younger people in order to energize his base had an inescapable effect on the result ions of that '08 election ...So to that point I think puff is accurate ..now were I can understand your point is if Puff was saying that hiphop is the ONLY reason that Obeezy is in office ...if that was his message or his intent I can 1hunnid feel what your saying about shit being a stretch ...but I don't think that's what he meant ...dudes like puff know how to grab headlines and are the kings of uhhhhhh how do you say .....overstated hubris maybe? Lol ...grandstanding? Lol ...shit I can't really get the right word for it but to a man if you asked him "hey do you believe hiphop is the sole reason Obama is in office" I doubt he'd say "oh yeah without question" and because of that distinction I feel like I get where he was coming from with that statement ...as well as the other panelist who kinda alluded to the correlation as well ... I just don't think it's that egregious a statement once you put it in the right context..

And damn you Gabs! for making me "break character" and actually get into a bit of intelligent conversation on this muthafucka man ...lmao

smh@ the bold.....fam i get wat ya tryna say but everytime u refer 2 obama as a BLK MAN u r talkin like its still SLAVERY cuz that is FALSE obama is not a BLK MAN he is a MIXED MAN his mother is WHITE & his daddy is BLK thats y these whites voted 4 him cuz he waS MIXED not cuz he was BLK....if obama was a blk man wit 2 BLK PARENTS he wouldnt b president obamas WHITENESS got him elected white america will not elect a BLK PRESIDENT the closes well get is a MULATTO...any blk kid wit 2 BLK PARENTS n america that think they have a chance 2 b president like obama is fooling themselves cuz america will never have a BLK PRESIDENT!..

 

[blackamerica]

That's krazy how there is no proof of Elvis or hillfiger bein racist& folks was quick 2 label them racist.....but when there is proof of the Klansmen feminem bein racist u houseniggas wanna give that cracka a pass cuz his rap skills....smh I will never understand u jolly ass niggaz

Tommy Hilfiger prolly said that shit but backtracked once he realized how much $$$ he was losing out on in the hiphop community. He has that rich white wealth that can make rumors disappear into thin air. Tommy racist azz got Oprah on payroll

I remember seeing for my own eyes proctor & gamble admit they are satanist on a popular talk show. This was when I was little, prolly late 80's early 90's. I tried to google that shit and it's absolutely NOTHING on that episode. It's as if that shit never existed.

 

[gee757]

Tommy Hilfiger prolly said that shit but backtracked once he realized how much $$$ he was losing out on in the hiphop community. He has that rich white wealth that can make rumors disappear into thin air. Tommy racist azz got Oprah on payroll

I remember seeing for my own eyes proctor & gamble admit they are satanist on a popular talk show. This was when I was little, prolly late 80's early 90's. I tried to google that shit and it's absolutely NOTHING on that episode. It's as if that shit never existed.

still tommy is not on record dissin blk people like feminem we should b demonizin feminem not hilfiger cuz marshall dissin blks is not a RUMOR its a FACT!

 

[ineedpussy]

fuck it ill weigh in. man this shit is bullshit. why aint any of yall niggers talking bout how jews came in and exploited niggaZ. thats what i got. they didnt believe in the shit then next thing you know they see the value in our music. i swear fo god if i get to come back im coming back white cause blacks ARE the dumbest people on the face of this planet. how many times yall niggaZ gone turn the other cheek just to get smacked on the other

 

[Swiffness!]

Damn! The Source was outselling Rolling Stone

I don't care how much you hate Eminem, Benzino ruining The Source was unforgivable and one of Hip-Hop biggest tragedies. Shoulda been not just our Rolling Stone, but our TIME Magazine. 5 Mics shoulda been the final word on whether a album was a masterpiece. Source Awards shoulda been our Grammys.

Shoulda woulda coulda.

What a fucking waste.

Fuck Benzino.

 

[Swiffness!]

tupac use 2 rock tommy

Man, I feel so bad for believing that bullshit rumor now. Tommy Hil actually invited Rae to model his clothes down the runway for fucks sake.

Dude legit respected us and we turned on him cuz of some paranoid ingnant bullshit. Black people did Tommy wrong for real. All that shitty FUBU gear musta been divine retribution lol.

 

[Bayish]

This shit was garbage!!!!! how could you some up the 90's with out mentioning Tupac and the Deathrow era? The biggest name in hip hop history not one mention????? Steve Stoute still holding grudges from 90s and getting punked!

 

[S2J]

This doc was good, but its almost like a 2nd leve beyond the cheery happy hip hop is great... if u switch your lens

The 2nd level is white people being culture vultures, black culture not getting thru without a white stamp, and just a lot of weird shyt. The story of hip hop should not have this many white voices.

 

[gee757]

let me xplain 1st off fuk that white mans rule of that 1 drop rule slavery is over wat i mean about that obama shit is obama is not a BLK MAN he is a MIXED MAN hes WHITE & BLK....back n slavery cuz obama has mo african features he would b labeled blk cuz if u didnt look white them crackaz wouldnt let u claim white but slavery is over...n 2days world a mixed person like obama shouldnt b labeled blk imean hell even obama dont even call himself blk he says hes a MULLATO.....

Man, I feel so bad for believing that bullshit rumor now. Tommy Hil actually invited Rae to model his clothes down the runway for fucks sake.

Dude legit respected us and we turned on him cuz of some paranoid ingnant bullshit. Black people did Tommy wrong for real. All that shitty FUBU gear musta been divine retribution lol.

the shit is straight stupid imean we demonize the whites who aint racist & praise racist crackaz like feminem some blk folk just love they white slave massahs smh