USC Student Says She Was Raped, The Nightclub Video Determined That Was A Lie

[LordZuko]

@jono is correct tho

the footage just undermines shorty's credibility.........it doesn't truly disprove whether or not she was raped

if there are laws where if a woman can say stop in the middle of intercourse, and the man can be charged for rape if he continues

then it's possible that she still could've been raped.......I think that's the point that @jono has raised

bottom line is ol boy is lucky as shit that some DA/judge wasn't pressed to try to prove a point

dudes gotta be smarter about fucking with drunk chicks........I learned that shit personally in the Army, seen it go bad way too many times in the barracks

Rape is a he said she said issue. The evidence for consensual sex is also evidence of rape, so that means it all comes down to credibility.

Her lack of credibility and the physical evidence refuting her version of events made her claim improbable to prove.

If he weren't on video he'd be a rapist simply because she voluntarily drank too much to remember dragging a guy back to fuck him. That's the fucked up part. Had it not been for the video he wouldn't have been able to prove a negative. He'd be a rapist because she was irresponsible not because he forced her into a nonconsensual situation.

 

[jono]

Niggas gotta start fuckin with go pros on just to prove they didn't rape a bitch.

@jono. It's silly as hell to demand someone prove a negative. She has to prove he raped. He doesn't have to prove he didn't. Based on the video evidence it was going to be nigh impossible and a waste of money to try to concoct a narrative where the girl dragging the guy and making fuckin gestures to a friend was raped by same said guy.

That's not my argument. My argument is that the video doesn't contradict what she's saying. If she said she didn't consent there's no point in the video where she actually does.

The rest of this shit is irrelevant to my point.

 

[Go figure]

@jono is correct tho

 

[LordZuko]

Niggas gotta start fuckin with go pros on just to prove they didn't rape a bitch.

@jono. It's silly as hell to demand someone prove a negative. She has to prove he raped. He doesn't have to prove he didn't. Based on the video evidence it was going to be nigh impossible and a waste of money to try to concoct a narrative where the girl dragging the guy and making fuckin gestures to a friend was raped by same said guy.

That's not my argument. My argument is that the video doesn't contradict what she's saying. If she said she didn't consent there's no point in the video where she actually does.

The rest of this shit is irrelevant to my point.

The video does contradict her testimony. In the video she is behaving coherently not at all like a person on the verge of blacking out and unable to give consent. Thereby it's also reasonable to assert that the man would have no viable way to ascertain her level of intoxication to even determine that the female is of such a state to not give consent.

Without the video he'd have to prove he didn't drag some incoherent semilucid drunk bitch off to her room for dead fish sex.

Your point is all about proving a negative which legally in this situation is unlikely. You're asking unprovable subjective questions that a defendant nor the accuser even know.

I added all that "irrelevant shit" to show where your logic falls short

 

[blackgod813]

@jono is correct tho

the footage just undermines shorty's credibility.........it doesn't truly disprove whether or not she was raped

if there are laws where if a woman can say stop in the middle of intercourse, and the man can be charged for rape if he continues

then it's possible that she still could've been raped.......I think that's the point that @jono has raised

bottom line is ol boy is lucky as shit that some DA/judge wasn't pressed to try to prove a point

dudes gotta be smarter about fucking with drunk chicks........I learned that shit personally in the Army, seen it go bad way too many times in the barracks

Please tell a story of how it went bad

 

[Trillfate]

@obnoxiouslyfresh this story reminded me of The Night of on hbo

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

C'mon bruh...........that's a stretch.

I mean, it's possible...........but not likely.

What it does do, is call her credibility into question.

It really all comes down to accountability.

Women need to stop using alcohol as an excuse for bad judgment.........and the legislature and/or courts needs to stop enacting/enforcing laws that help enable this foolishness.

What's ironic is the fact that..........if she got behind the wheel of a car immediately after her "rape" and ended up killing someone.........she'd be charged with drunk driving and vehicular homicide.

All that.................."I was too drunk to realize what I was doing"................bullshit wouldn't fly in that situtation........so it shouldn't be taken seriously in this situation either.

Hol up

Establishments that serve alcohol can be held in part responsible for the damaged caused by a drunk driver that became drunk on their premises

And in most places intoxicated individuals are capable of giving consent when they are the ones who decided to consume alcohol or drugs, but not if they were tricked into consuming them. Obviously if they pass out or were passed out prior or during the sex that's rape

That said, you dont have to consent to be held liable for a criminal activity. When you drive while inebriated you and you alone are breaking the law

Intent, however, is not present when you are a victim of sexual assault while intoxicated. It is not a conscious decision, regardless of degree of intoxication, to be sexually assaulted. It is something that happens to you by another individual. Right away, the situation is muddied, because it's not clear if the drunk person fully understood that they were being propositioned, whether they were fully conscious or whether they revoked consent at some point

Another part of the reason why blame is placed in a less nuanced fashion is for deterence. It doesn't matter you were so fucked up you don't even remember getting in the car. Instead of arranging a ride home from a sober person you chose to risk killing or seriously injuring multiple ppl. The state feels it has an interest in deterring that behavior with heavy punishments

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Rape claims can almost never be proven right or wrong, that's why this is such a highly contested issue. The best anyone can do is discredit the claim or the defense.

 

[LcnsdbyROYALTY]

GPSA: Don't EVER fuck @Madame_CJSkywalker!!!! I swear this bitch'll get a nigga hemmed up with all the excuses she be concocting on here. >_>

 

[deadeye]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

C'mon bruh...........that's a stretch.

I mean, it's possible...........but not likely.

What it does do, is call her credibility into question.

It really all comes down to accountability.

Women need to stop using alcohol as an excuse for bad judgment.........and the legislature and/or courts needs to stop enacting/enforcing laws that help enable this foolishness.

What's ironic is the fact that..........if she got behind the wheel of a car immediately after her "rape" and ended up killing someone.........she'd be charged with drunk driving and vehicular homicide.

All that.................."I was too drunk to realize what I was doing"................bullshit wouldn't fly in that situtation........so it shouldn't be taken seriously in this situation either.

Hol up

Establishments that serve alcohol can be held in part responsible for the damaged caused by a drunk driver that became drunk on their premises

And in most places intoxicated individuals are capable of giving consent when they are the ones who decided to consume alcohol or drugs, but not if they were tricked into consuming them. Obviously if they pass out or were passed out prior or during the sex that's rape

That said, you dont have to consent to be held liable for a criminal activity. When you drive while inebriated you and you alone are breaking the law

Intent, however, is not present when you are a victim of sexual assault while intoxicated. It is not a conscious decision, regardless of degree of intoxication, to be sexually assaulted. It is something that happens to you by another individual. Right away, the situation is muddied, because it's not clear if the drunk person fully understood that they were being propositioned, whether they were fully conscious or whether they revoked consent at some point

Another part of the reason why blame is placed in a less nuanced fashion is for deterence. It doesn't matter you were so fucked up you don't even remember getting in the car. Instead of arranging a ride home from a sober person you chose to risk killing or seriously injuring multiple ppl. The state feels it has an interest in deterring that behavior with heavy punishments

You know damn well that's not what I was referring to.

Not gonna waste time going back and forth with you though...........because I'm assuming you're trolling.

You're full of shit, but you're intelligent enough to know the context of what I was saying.

 

[LordZuko]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Lying about rape hardly is punishable and when a lying cunt is charged it's for wasting police resources or obstruction or some other misdemeanor offense.

It's obvious that females want to be treated like women and girls at the same time.

When they are getting validated and praised for even the most minute accomplishment it's "yayyy we're independent women, we're strong can do anything" but when it comes to taking accountability and responsibility they magically revert back to little girls that need protection.

There have been cases when both the man and the woman were intoxicated but the man was still charged with sexual assault while she wasn't. Unless a man is required by law to give a field sobriety test to every bitch before they go home from a social gathering, there's no way a law can reasonably expect a man to know when a woman is past the point of consent outside of falling down drunk or blacked out.

Niggas have made all types of regrettable fucked of sexual choices while drunk. A lot of mothafuckas wouldn't be born if not for a drunk nigga. But that man couldn't get sober and throw a rape charge on a bitch or get hit with some consequences and then start talking about consequences and doubt. Society doesnt accept that from men. Society expects men to be responsible in all circumstances.

Given that, despite what you or any other female on this forum will say, females are not equal to men. Y'all duck and dodge the outcome of your actions and if possible will make the nearest nigga responsible for your decisions.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Females should be charged when they are found to have lied about rape. The problem is, the only time that ever happens is when the females come clean. They won't do that if they think they would go to jail. Making sure innocent dudes get out of jail is more important than putting lying hoes in jail.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Lying about rape hardly is punishable and when a lying cunt is charged it's for wasting police resources or obstruction or some other misdemeanor offense.

It's obvious that females want to be treated like women and girls at the same time.

When they are getting validated and praised for even the most minute accomplishment it's "yayyy we're independent women, we're strong can do anything" but when it comes to taking accountability and responsibility they magically revert back to little girls that need protection.

There have been cases when both the man and the woman were intoxicated but the man was still charged with sexual assault while she wasn't. Unless a man is required by law to give a field sobriety test to every bitch before they go home from a social gathering, there's no way a law can reasonably expect a man to know when a woman is past the point of consent outside of falling down drunk or blacked out.

Niggas have made all types of regrettable fucked of sexual choices while drunk. A lot of mothafuckas wouldn't be born if not for a drunk nigga. But that man couldn't get sober and throw a rape charge on a bitch or get hit with some consequences and then start talking about consequences and doubt. Society doesnt accept that from men. Society expects men to be responsible in all circumstances.

Given that, despite what you or any other female on this forum will say, females are not equal to men. Y'all duck and dodge the outcome of your actions and if possible will make the nearest nigga responsible for your decisions.

We have to stop being HYPOCRITES. Most women get in these clubs for one night stands. Its just that they feel that our porn society will throw stones at them.

Most of them are HIDING BEHIND ALCOHOL AND DRUGGS to fuck. How can you notice : just try to take their assholes. They will suddenly stop acting dizzy lol.

But now shit get worse. Some are using the rape accusation as if it will give them back their virginity. And thats how you get these false accusations.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Rape claims can almost never be proven right or wrong, that's why this is such a highly contested issue. The best anyone can do is discredit the claim or the defense.

Right

The same can be said for false rape claims

Not all reports classified as unfounded are necessarily false. In some cases, women who were victims of rape were disbelieved, pressured into recanting, and charged with false reporting only to be vindicated later on

There are some women who exploit the law for their own gain. Same as we have ppl who make false police reports about a whole bunch of other shit. I could let u burrow my car and then report u stole my keys. But we have laws in place to address these cases

Otherwise besides enforcing the laws we do have on the books what can be done

Does not every police report/report of a crime deserve to be thoroughly investigated

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

C'mon bruh...........that's a stretch.

I mean, it's possible...........but not likely.

What it does do, is call her credibility into question.

It really all comes down to accountability.

Women need to stop using alcohol as an excuse for bad judgment.........and the legislature and/or courts needs to stop enacting/enforcing laws that help enable this foolishness.

What's ironic is the fact that..........if she got behind the wheel of a car immediately after her "rape" and ended up killing someone.........she'd be charged with drunk driving and vehicular homicide.

All that.................."I was too drunk to realize what I was doing"................bullshit wouldn't fly in that situtation........so it shouldn't be taken seriously in this situation either.

Hol up

Establishments that serve alcohol can be held in part responsible for the damaged caused by a drunk driver that became drunk on their premises

And in most places intoxicated individuals are capable of giving consent when they are the ones who decided to consume alcohol or drugs, but not if they were tricked into consuming them. Obviously if they pass out or were passed out prior or during the sex that's rape

That said, you dont have to consent to be held liable for a criminal activity. When you drive while inebriated you and you alone are breaking the law

Intent, however, is not present when you are a victim of sexual assault while intoxicated. It is not a conscious decision, regardless of degree of intoxication, to be sexually assaulted. It is something that happens to you by another individual. Right away, the situation is muddied, because it's not clear if the drunk person fully understood that they were being propositioned, whether they were fully conscious or whether they revoked consent at some point

Another part of the reason why blame is placed in a less nuanced fashion is for deterence. It doesn't matter you were so fucked up you don't even remember getting in the car. Instead of arranging a ride home from a sober person you chose to risk killing or seriously injuring multiple ppl. The state feels it has an interest in deterring that behavior with heavy punishments

You know damn well that's not what I was referring to.

Not gonna waste time going back and forth with you though...........because I'm assuming you're trolling.

You're full of shit, but you're intelligent enough to know the context of what I was saying.

No

Please expound

Think you're conflating a whole bunch different issues

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Rape claims can almost never be proven right or wrong, that's why this is such a highly contested issue. The best anyone can do is discredit the claim or the defense.

Right

The same can be said for false rape claims

Not all reports classified as unfounded are necessarily false. In some cases, women who were victims of rape were disbelieved, pressured into recanting, and charged with false reporting only to be vindicated later on

There are some women who exploit the law for their own gain. Same as we have ppl who make false police reports about a whole bunch of other shit. I could let u burrow my car and then report u stole my keys. But we have laws in place to address these cases

Otherwise besides enforcing the laws we do have on the books what can be done

Does not every police report/report of a crime deserve to be thoroughly investigated

I don't think anyone has a problem with every claim being investigated. I think the issue is that feminists tend to act like every claim should be treated as confirmed fact. You can see this in the way feminists like to claim that false accusations are rare? How do they even know that? The answer is they don't. They take the stats and seem to apply the assumption that any claim that wasn't proven wrong must be legitimate. That's ridiculous.

I don't know. I don't see how this problem with rape ever goes away until we find a way to read minds or something. In most of these cases, it's always going to come down to who you believe more. It might not be fair to believe the upstanding college guy over the slutty party girl and dismiss her claim off that alone. However, it's not fair to believe the sweet innocent girl over the rough cut guy, but that probably happens just as often even though it doesn't catch half the flack.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Rape claims can almost never be proven right or wrong, that's why this is such a highly contested issue. The best anyone can do is discredit the claim or the defense.

Right

The same can be said for false rape claims

Not all reports classified as unfounded are necessarily false. In some cases, women who were victims of rape were disbelieved, pressured into recanting, and charged with false reporting only to be vindicated later on

There are some women who exploit the law for their own gain. Same as we have ppl who make false police reports about a whole bunch of other shit. I could let u burrow my car and then report u stole my keys. But we have laws in place to address these cases

Otherwise besides enforcing the laws we do have on the books what can be done

Does not every police report/report of a crime deserve to be thoroughly investigated

I don't think anyone has a problem with every claim being investigated. I think the issue is that feminists tend to act like every claim should be treated as confirmed fact. You can see this in the way feminists like to claim that false accusations are rare? How do they even know that? The answer is they don't. They take the stats and seem to apply the assumption that any claim that wasn't proven wrong must be legitimate. That's ridiculous.

I don't know. I don't see how this problem with rape ever goes away until we find a way to read minds or something. In most of these cases, it's always going to come down to who you believe more. It might not be fair to believe the upstanding college guy over the slutty party girl and dismiss her claim off that alone. However, it's not fair to believe the sweet innocent girl over the rough cut guy, but that probably happens just as often even though it doesn't catch half the flack.

and the MRA act and some posters act as though false accusations are widespread, omnipresent thing no one cares about

which is false

there has, is been a push to take all claims of sexual offences as face value and operate on the assumption that they are true because there is evidence that we as a society including law enforcement have failed alleged victims

a lot of this, unfortunately, is just chickens coming home to roost

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Lying about rape hardly is punishable and when a lying cunt is charged it's for wasting police resources or obstruction or some other misdemeanor offense.

when law enforcement agencies learn of false police reports, they usually charge the person making the report with a crime or false reporting or false swearing, depending on how the laws ....prosecution can result in a misdemeanor or felony conviction, again depending on the applicable laws and the nature of the false report

so what changes do you want to see? just harsher penalties?

because an allegation of rape is a very serious issue, i believe unfounded charges need to be publicized just as much as convictions and criminal charges pursued against anyone who is found to have knowingly made a false statement

and before you start "... our unwillingness to name victims, while at the same time being willing to name the accused is ... " as i've repeatedly mentioned this is not a matter of law, but rather a convention that the media adheres to. the "rape shield" laws cover what can be admitted in court, not what can be published in the press. the press has collectively decided that it is ethical to publish the name of the accused (as long as they use "alleged") but unethical to publish the names of the accusers in these cases

that said, not all reports classified as unfounded means that the accuser lied..

false rape claim are rarely pursued and or successfully persecuted because of by their very nature they are often difficult to positively show as false....usually we have a reasonable suspicion but not the strong evidence to show it was false

and there is evidence that law enforcement do little to address reports of sexual assault, rape

there have been cases where rape kits were destroyed for no good reason; police didn't bother to talk to the accused; and cases where the case was marked as "unfounded" within hours of talking with the accuser
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...bs-md-rape-investigations-20161203-story.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/baltimore-doj-report-sexual-assault/

this shit doesn't just happen in maryland, it happens everywhere

here in michigan we had thousands and thousands of rape kits that have gone untested

we got cases were a person admits to rape but only gets a slap on the wrist

we are still far from the day when every woman who makes a rape accusation gets a proper police investigation and a fair hearing

so this idea that the system coddles women.... and that there are thousands and thousands of women who are working the system to their advantage is largely unfounded and i argue is bullshit

conversely the idea that any level of intoxication renders consent invalid, as many college campus programs are teaching today is problematic. though it is also good to also note this is far from the legal standard for incapacitation required in a criminal finding of sexual assault

and let's talk about the MRA and what they did was take the low bar for rape set in an attempt to address date rape and leap over it. by redefining what is means to be raped by conflating rape down to mean every bad sexual experience and then claim men are equally victimized by it

it's a lot of hypocrisy to go around...and you nigga are no better than the feminist you claim to hate lol

 

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I don't see how this proves she lied about rape. This is the judges opinion based on events from a different time of the night.

I'm assuming she accused him of rape, said she was too drunk to consent, but the video shows not only did that she initiated the encounter (pulling him out of the bar and everywhere else), with a predetermined motive to have sex with him (the sex gesture to her friend), couldn't be too drunk (signing him into the building), etc...

She wanted it to be one way... but the video showed it to be the other way.

The video doesn't contradict lack of consent. Even if she led him to her room it still doesn't equal consent.

Her statement wasn't just lack of consent though. Her statement was that she didn't remember what happened and thus she didn't consent. That's not even a logically sound statement. The guy she accused said from the start that she was the initiator of the sex, so the consent was implicit. The video doesn't show them commencing with the sex, but it does show that she was the one initiating and is more supportive of the accused than the accuser.

Of course the ruling is based on the judge's opinion. All rulings are based on the judge's opinion.

This hurts her claim

The video isnt then enough to conclude she is lying without a doubt though

Otherwise lying about rape is and should be a punishable crime that could warrant jail/prison time

Lying about rape hardly is punishable and when a lying cunt is charged it's for wasting police resources or obstruction or some other misdemeanor offense.

when law enforcement agencies learn of false police reports, they usually charge the person making the report with a crime or false reporting or false swearing, depending on how the laws ....prosecution can result in a misdemeanor or felony conviction, again depending on the applicable laws and the nature of the false report

so what changes do you want to see? just harsher penalties?

because an allegation of rape is a very serious issue, i believe unfounded charges need to be publicized just as much as convictions and criminal charges pursued against anyone who is found to have knowingly made a false statement

and before you start "... our unwillingness to name victims, while at the same time being willing to name the accused is ... " as i've repeatedly mentioned this is not a matter of law, but rather a convention that the media adheres to. the "rape shield" laws cover what can be admitted in court, not what can be published in the press. the press has collectively decided that it is ethical to publish the name of the accused (as long as they use "alleged") but unethical to publish the names of the accusers in these cases

that said, not all reports classified as unfounded means that the accuser lied..

false rape claim are rarely pursued and or successfully persecuted because of by their very nature they are often difficult to positively show as false....usually we have a reasonable suspicion but not the strong evidence to show it was false

and there is evidence that law enforcement do little to address reports of sexual assault, rape

there have been cases where rape kits were destroyed for no good reason; police didn't bother to talk to the accused; and cases where the case was marked as "unfounded" within hours of talking with the accuser
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...bs-md-rape-investigations-20161203-story.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/baltimore-doj-report-sexual-assault/

this shit doesn't just happen in maryland, it happens everywhere

here in michigan we had thousands and thousands of rape kits that have gone untested

we got cases were a person admits to rape but only gets a slap on the wrist

we are still far from the day when every woman who makes a rape accusation gets a proper police investigation and a fair hearing

so this idea that the system coddles women.... and that there are thousands and thousands of women who are working the system to their advantage is largely unfounded and i argue is bullshit

conversely the idea that any level of intoxication renders consent invalid, as many college campus programs are teaching today is problematic. though it is also good to also note this is far from the legal standard for incapacitation required in a criminal finding of sexual assault

and let's talk about the MRA and what they did was take the low bar for rape set in an attempt to address date rape and leap over it. by redefining what is means to be raped by conflating rape down to mean every bad sexual experience and then claim men are equally victimized by it

it's a lot of hypocrisy to go around...and you nigga are no better than the feminist you claim to hate lol

Let me sum up your post

'Jake shot a black man'

'But what about black on black crime ?'

your vision is blurred. You keep on picking side whereas most of the male posters advocating for a CONCENSUS. Its not about the gender of the liar its about SOCIAL RELATIONS. There are no social benefits to this fuckery on both sides. RAPISTS AND THOSE WHO LIE ABOUT IT NEED TO BE OUTCAST.

None of them are doing something good to our society. The repercussions of rape are felt on a social scale.

The consequences are a DEHUMANIZED SOCIETY. The trust flame is fading away. To the benefits of

Virtual reality

Sexbots

There is no logic in protecting LIARS. I cant trust a system who protect liars. And as a man if the system protects females when they lie blatantly about rape then i wont approach them in normal public space.

I wont have my name on the news for having DRUNKEN SEX WITH A WILLING DRUNK WOMAN.

Std risks

Unwanted pregnancy risk, plus in that case THE FEMALE HAS 100% OF THE ABORTION DECISION AKA CHILD SUPPORT.

FALSE RAPE ACCUSATION WITHOUT A DAMN REPERCUSSION

For which reward? 5mn of sexual pleasure.