Unbiased Top 20 NBA Players

[killap]

He fumbles the ball here and there but not to the degree u make it out to be...and yes every dribble move, whether it be crossovers, to dribble between his legs, behind the back...all that shit has to do with ballhandling and he does all that better than Kobe...I think we can agree that dude is a better slasher than Kobe, is being a good slasher not predicated on having good ballhandling skills???

I've been rockin witth the Heat for years so I've seen way more than the average highlight most of y'all niggas watch...and I've seen Wade block jumpshots straight up...shit we all seen him lock down Kobe back in December...guarded him all game no breaks...wasn't nobody saying he was playing offball defense then right....when he wants to he can play onball on a nigga like Kobe..but if he sees the opportunity to get a steal or block he goes for that too...can't say the same for a lot of niggas in the league including Kobe

I've been a Laker fan as long as I can remember and I live in South FL and a lp subscriber I'd say I've seen at least 60 heat games this yr and maybe 50 Laker games (I miss a lot of home games because of the time) and possession for possession I'd give Kobe's defense the edge. As far as Wade's slashing ability I put that on him being more athletic than Kobe which in fairness is part of the gameso we can give him a check mark there...but say there is one possession left and you need someone to bring up the ball with pressure on them they are interchangeable. Offensively I would say Wade is a better slasher and better in transition (Which I'm assuming is what you are saying when you say finisher) but verything else they would either be interchangeable or would goto Kobe. and likes I said possession for possession I'm going with Kobe's defense

 

[killap]

Ill jsut say this... 85 percent of wades offense is from pick and roles for a good part of his careerwhich i feel at this point in his career kobe would be better for if he did the same.. it was always him on an island.. and well.. he dominated.. it would be much better for him at this point in his career.. Wade is somewhat close to kobe now... and that crazy considering hes been in the league 16 years.. i think thats a statement in itself..

I agree the gap has closed in Wade's favor ..He definitely would of aged more gracefully if he didn't break the triangle so much

 

[killap]

I hate posting highlights, but i just need an example..alot of the things besides the dunks in this video have nothing to do with athleticism, but more to do with pure "basketball skill", which are things he can still do...and Wade can't do half of this shit [video=youtube;Xhr-pvl33l0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhr-pvl33l0&feature=fvst[/video]

Yea Kobe's footwork is vastly underrated...but let me stop taking this thread off topic

 

[KeepOnPushing]

Ya'll really gotta stop saying Lebron is the best player in the league, shit is a joke now.

 

[FlyFreeCt]

I can go back and forth about the Kobe & Wade thing all day but I wanna get back on topic..i wanted it to be more about the players later in the top 10 and top 20..

 

[Copper]

Kobe has a better post game, but Wade still has good post game...already mentioned the jumper so that's wasted space....and no Kobes defense is not as good as Wades and not as good of a passer neither...Wade has better handles,better finisher, rebounder,shot blocker, steals...I think its a done deal at this point....only reason why cats would argue otherwise at this point is because Kobe is still living off his name...y'all no different than the ppl who snubbed Wade off those first NBA teams and put Kobe there...smh...and I'm a big Kobe fan

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[yroholla]

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He really doesnt show his post game cause the person guarding him is usually taller than him so it aint like he does it much....but when theres a mismatch he shows he has post moves...but again im aware that most of you started really watching Wade THIS year....and yeah Kobe is living off his name...u think he deserved those first teams over Wade this year??

 

[Copper]

first of all Ive been watching wade play since marquette and watching the NBA since 91'

secondly if u claim wade only has post moves for guys smaller than he seeing as how hes 6'4 and most of the people that guard him are taller...he has little post game.

thirdly kobe has averaged 25, 5 and 5 with a broke finger, a bum knee and limited athletic ability and has won 2 of the last 3 titles...so yeah they were well deserved.

all b/c u dont see a nigga hit 360's anymore doesnt mean hes a worse player than he used to be....smart players evolve their games were they use skill over athletic ability when they get older

 

[its....JOHN B]

know what kills me is during the season you would never see a top 5 that included dirk nowitzki, he wasnt even considered the best power forward in the league, but dallas wins the ship and im hearing dirk is a top 15-30 player of all time, shit is ridiculous

 

[Meagan___Goodz]

Jump Shot-Kobe

D-Kobe

Ball Handling-Wade

Passing-Equal

Rebounding-maybe be equal but Kobe

Intangibles-KOOOOOOBEEEEE

better player-KOOOOOOOOOBEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Copper]

know what kills me is during the season you would never see a top 5 that included dirk nowitzki, he wasnt even considered the best power forward in the league, but dallas wins the ship and im hearing dirk is a top 15-30 player of all time, shit is ridiculous

I dont agree with the top 15 of all time....but u have to take into account what hes done this year and his skill set (which is broad) u have to judge the best players by the biggest games that they play and it gets no bigger than the NBA finals just like you have to judge lebron based on what u have seen of him in this years finals its only right

 

[pimped_out_red]

If your favorite player is number one on your top list then it's bias already.

 

[one_manshow]

Might as well change the thread title to Kobe vs D-Wade....

 

[Coo Coo Cal's Beanie]

Jump Shot-Kobe
D-Kobe
Ball Handling-Wade
Passing-Equal
Rebounding-maybe be equal but Kobe
Intangibles-KOOOOOOBEEEEE
better player-KOOOOOOOOOBEEEEEEEEEE

ROFL u obviously dont pay attention. Wade has always averaged more boards, assists, steals, and blocks than kobe.

 

[R.D.]

Might as well change the thread title to Kobe vs D-Wade....

too one sided of a debate

not thread title worthy

 

[jrod44]

Wade is better than Kobe. Plain and simple. He is better today,and IMO, has been better since 06.

People haven't brought up efficiency. Wade is a top scorer who is the most efficient guard since MJ. Kobe is a volume scorer, needs 20 shots to get 25 pts guy, while Wadecan drop 30 on 15 shots.

 

[Duncan21]

Wade is better than Kobe. Plain and simple. He is better today,and IMO, has been better since 06.

People haven't brought up efficiency. Wade is a top scorer who is the most efficient guard since MJ. Kobe is a volume scorer, needs 20 shots to get 25 pts guy, while Wadecan drop 30 on 15 shots.

With 16 Fts coming with it.

 

[jrod44]

With 16 Fts coming with it.

And getting to the stripe is bad?

It's another quality that makes Wade better.

 

[jrod44]

1. Wade,most complete player in the game. Efficient, scorer, gets to the basket against any defense, his range improves when the stakes get higher, above average defender, blocks 7 fters, tenacious rebounder, willing passer. Very complete

2. Lebron James - best one on one defender for a top scorer, truly a two way player. Physical freak. Stats suggest his game is extremely complete. Up to Game 2 in the Finals, was having quite arguably one of the best playoffs ever.

3. Dwight Howard - Best big man in the game, two way player, improved offensive skill. Rebounding, blocked shots, and avgs above 20

damn phones dying, that's all I got.

 

[FlyFreeCt]

first of all Ive been watching wade play since marquette and watching the NBA since 91'

secondly if u claim wade only has post moves for guys smaller than he seeing as how hes 6'4 and most of the people that guard him are taller...he has little post game.

thirdly kobe has averaged 25, 5 and 5 with a broke finger, a bum knee and limited athletic ability and has won 2 of the last 3 titles...so yeah they were well deserved.

all b/c u dont see a nigga hit 360's anymore doesnt mean hes a worse player than he used to be....smart players evolve their games were they use skill over athletic ability when they get older

I think this is the thing niggas are having a hard time understanding..