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woah316;4940676 said:one thing that bothers me is I think chris bosh is BLATANTLY better than Pau Gasol... is there anyone here that would disagree with that?
woah316;4940997 said:@jayhi22
It took you THAT long?
I lost respect for him when he left kobe for dead in the finals in 2008 vs the celtics....
Yall niggas dont realize this man is a walking bipolar player for at least the last 4 years.. (never watched him in memphis)... but yall want him in the hall of fame? LOL
MC The Rapper;4940849 said:DR. JEK;4940750 said:MC The Rapper;4940336 said:DR. JEK;4940215 said:MC The Rapper;4939669 said:DaBull;4939622 said:^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning
its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.
to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**
I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the
team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots . Oh and this nigga has lost games
trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker
franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always
been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening
Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.
hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different shit this year's exits to the thunder says different.DR. JEK;4940180 said:MC The Rapper;4939601 said:DaBull;4939582 said:MC The Rapper;4939485 said:DaBull;4939438 said:you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.
thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself
**nice Edit*** btw lol
Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic
yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.
He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .
When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you niggas know how to keep the comedy going. Nigga got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO
he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even
know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also
there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm
and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something
I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow shit down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't. Having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else. With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" shit. In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of shit what would you have done?
Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a bitch when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?
Word that nigga that can't even run a offense without chucking . Everybody and they momma know you have to get
your teammates involved in the offense. How can somebody criticize his teammates for not stepping up and won't even
pass them the ball . Its the psychology of the game. Somebody Brought up the Paul Westhead incident and rebuked
them they didn't know dudes name and I'm going rebuked you too . The Westhead situation was about the Lakers
offense being predictable not just because they wanted to run the offense thru Kareem . I would hate to play ball
with any of you Laker fans . Y'all shoot us out the game than look at me like I did something wrong . "Like you should
have been on the offensive glass."
MC The Rapper;4940849 said:DR. JEK;4940750 said:MC The Rapper;4940336 said:DR. JEK;4940215 said:MC The Rapper;4939669 said:DaBull;4939622 said:^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning
its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.
to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**
I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the
team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots . Oh and this nigga has lost games
trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker
franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always
been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening
Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.
hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different shit this year's exits to the thunder says different.DR. JEK;4940180 said:MC The Rapper;4939601 said:DaBull;4939582 said:MC The Rapper;4939485 said:DaBull;4939438 said:you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.
thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself
**nice Edit*** btw lol
Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic
yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.
He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .
When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you niggas know how to keep the comedy going. Nigga got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO
he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even
know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also
there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm
and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something
I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow shit down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't. Having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else. With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" shit. In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of shit what would you have done?
Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a bitch when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?
Word that nigga that can't even run a offense without chucking . Everybody and they momma know you have to get
your teammates involved in the offense. How can somebody criticize his teammates for not stepping up and won't even
pass them the ball . Its the psychology of the game. Somebody Brought up the Paul Westhead incident and rebuked
them they didn't know dudes name and I'm going rebuked you too . The Westhead situation was about the Lakers
offense being predictable not just because they wanted to run the offense thru Kareem . I would hate to play ball
with any of you Laker fans . Y'all shoot us out the game than look at me like I did something wrong . "Like you should
have been on the offensive glass."
jayhi22;4943020 said:They already ranked the Top 5
5. Rose
4. CP3
3. Dwight
2. KD
1. LBJ
With the players they had left, can't really argue it
R.D.;4943318 said:lol @ taking the best scorer off a team lacking scorers and thinking they get better
common sense aint so common
DR. JEK;4943383 said:niggas dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as fuck) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, Niggas got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this shit dont even make any sence.
blu197;4943430 said:DR. JEK;4943383 said:niggas dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as fuck) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, Niggas got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this shit dont even make any sence.
Word, how do not have the 3rd best SF (some nights play like the 2nd best) not in the top 10.... Melo is underrated
woah316;4943629 said:blu197;4943430 said:DR. JEK;4943383 said:niggas dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as fuck) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, Niggas got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this shit dont even make any sence.
Word, how do not have the 3rd best SF (some nights play like the 2nd best) not in the top 10.... Melo is underrated
Honestly... Melo needs to improve his leadership skills... And he's never really went anywhere...
I guess when you compare him DIRECTLY to durant, and the fact that he can create his own shot and post up, while durant can't... maybe he's underated.. But at the same time, durant is overatted to me... So with that said I don't think melo is underrated...
He's just a scorer, nothing else... If he had KG type will to win, he'd be top 5.. He just doesn't all the time, flat out..
DR. JEK;4943899 said:woah316;4943629 said:blu197;4943430 said:DR. JEK;4943383 said:niggas dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as fuck) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, Niggas got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this shit dont even make any sence.
Word, how do not have the 3rd best SF (some nights play like the 2nd best) not in the top 10.... Melo is underrated
Honestly... Melo needs to improve his leadership skills... And he's never really went anywhere...
I guess when you compare him DIRECTLY to durant, and the fact that he can create his own shot and post up, while durant can't... maybe he's underated.. But at the same time, durant is overatted to me... So with that said I don't think melo is underrated...
He's just a scorer, nothing else... If he had KG type will to win, he'd be top 5.. He just doesn't all the time, flat out..
@ the Bolded I would except that If they didn't put kevin Love in at 7. Kevin Love aint never led his team to nothing either. Atleast Melo went to the Western conference Finals once. Melo Offensively i cant think of more than 3 guys better than him, so for him to not even atleast be 10-15 (even tho he belongs in the top 10 imo) is just crazy. Aint no excuse for it.
DaBull;4941356 said:MC The Rapper;4940849 said:DR. JEK;4940750 said:MC The Rapper;4940336 said:DR. JEK;4940215 said:MC The Rapper;4939669 said:DaBull;4939622 said:^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning
its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.
to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**
I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the
team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots . Oh and this nigga has lost games
trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker
franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always
been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening
Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.
hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different shit this year's exits to the thunder says different.DR. JEK;4940180 said:MC The Rapper;4939601 said:DaBull;4939582 said:MC The Rapper;4939485 said:DaBull;4939438 said:you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.
thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself
**nice Edit*** btw lol
Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic
yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.
He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .
When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you niggas know how to keep the comedy going. Nigga got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO
he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even
know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also
there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm
and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something
I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow shit down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't. Having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else. With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" shit. In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of shit what would you have done?
Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a bitch when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?
Word that nigga that can't even run a offense without chucking . Everybody and they momma know you have to get
your teammates involved in the offense. How can somebody criticize his teammates for not stepping up and won't even
pass them the ball . Its the psychology of the game. Somebody Brought up the Paul Westhead incident and rebuked
them they didn't know dudes name and I'm going rebuked you too . The Westhead situation was about the Lakers
offense being predictable not just because they wanted to run the offense thru Kareem . I would hate to play ball
with any of you Laker fans . Y'all shoot us out the game than look at me like I did something wrong . "Like you should
have been on the offensive glass."
aww nigga stop capin. so what i aint know that old white manz name. point is you act like other players werent doin selfish stuff and i brought up Magic gettin his coach fired. then you gave a wack excuse that "its ok for a willing passer to be a bad teammate" thats a dumb nikka logic.
i guess its OK to be a criminal if you go to church twice a week??? point is all superstars do the same thing. only difference is how the media portrays them to us. Magic always was smiling and the white folks loved him which is why he is regarded so high. Fact is he was fortunate to play with the GOAT is whole career as evidenced by the lack of titles he won once Kareem retired.
no player has benefited more from being in LA than Magic.....#fact
MC The Rapper;4944104 said:DaBull;4941356 said:MC The Rapper;4940849 said:DR. JEK;4940750 said:MC The Rapper;4940336 said:DR. JEK;4940215 said:MC The Rapper;4939669 said:DaBull;4939622 said:^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning
its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.
to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**
I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the
team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots . Oh and this nigga has lost games
trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker
franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always
been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening
Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.
hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different shit this year's exits to the thunder says different.DR. JEK;4940180 said:MC The Rapper;4939601 said:DaBull;4939582 said:MC The Rapper;4939485 said:DaBull;4939438 said:you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.
thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself
**nice Edit*** btw lol
Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic
yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.
He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .
When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you niggas know how to keep the comedy going. Nigga got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO
he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even
know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also
there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm
and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something
I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow shit down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't. Having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else. With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" shit. In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of shit what would you have done?
Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a bitch when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?
Word that nigga that can't even run a offense without chucking . Everybody and they momma know you have to get
your teammates involved in the offense. How can somebody criticize his teammates for not stepping up and won't even
pass them the ball . Its the psychology of the game. Somebody Brought up the Paul Westhead incident and rebuked
them they didn't know dudes name and I'm going rebuked you too . The Westhead situation was about the Lakers
offense being predictable not just because they wanted to run the offense thru Kareem . I would hate to play ball
with any of you Laker fans . Y'all shoot us out the game than look at me like I did something wrong . "Like you should
have been on the offensive glass."
aww nigga stop capin. so what i aint know that old white manz name. point is you act like other players werent doin selfish stuff and i brought up Magic gettin his coach fired. then you gave a wack excuse that "its ok for a willing passer to be a bad teammate" thats a dumb nikka logic.
i guess its OK to be a criminal if you go to church twice a week??? point is all superstars do the same thing. only difference is how the media portrays them to us. Magic always was smiling and the white folks loved him which is why he is regarded so high. Fact is he was fortunate to play with the GOAT is whole career as evidenced by the lack of titles he won once Kareem retired.
no player has benefited more from being in LA than Magic.....#fact
Hahaha like dawg are you retarded ? You can't hold people responsible but at the same time not give them the ability
to respond . So me you and dr. jek dude is playing ball . Everytime I come down court I'm shooting it don't matter if its contested whatever I'm pulling I think I'm MJ . Y'all don't even touch the ball . We down 4th quarter y'all outta rhythm , I'm getting doubled team I finally pass y'all the ball . Y'all missed a couple of shots we lose . Now i"m in yall face saying why didn't yall step up ? I know you laker fans are lil slow and slaves of moment haha but damn .
MR.CJ;4945726 said:kevin love is the only one in espn top 10 rankings that hasn't been to the playoffs
