Shuffington
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Oprah atleast narrated that dope Animal series on discovery channel. :tu
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Coby Vibes
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MC The Rapper;2412479 said:
that says a lot about black men because I am not the only woman that defends TP. There is a reason why many men dont like him and his drag has nothing to do with it because they are not as threatened by other men in drag.
TP exposes the ugly in black men. and y'all are to emotionally immature to handle it
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coby what is your definition of "forward movement" ...
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MC The Rapper
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Coby Vibes;2412508 said:
you ever think because he's a fag causing division in the hetero black community for financial gain open ya eyes miss vibes open ya eyes
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rapmastermind
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stringer bell;2411709 said:
1st let me say I do agree with Spike that Tyler is not being creative enough with his platform. At this point Tyler can make better movies but chooses not to. But I also agree with Tyler about black criticizing each other. Sorry I don't see many White Directors doing that. He is not a representation of the Black Community as a whole. Just an aspect. Call it coonery or whatever, I have people in my family that act just like the characters in some of Tyler's films. Just like I have people in my family that act like the people in Spike's films, it cuts both ways. As for Dressing in Drag, it has been done by Black Actors for Lord knows how long. Madea is played out but that's his lane. What people need to understand is Hollywood is mostly to blame for this. They always pigeon hole Black Directors in doing certain types of films. People have to understand that Money talks in Hollywood. Here's a look at Tyler Perry's Box Office:
11/5/10 For Colored Girls LGF $37,729,698 2,127 $19,497,324 2,127
4/2/10 Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married Too? LGF $60,095,852 2,155 $29,289,537 2,155
9/11/09 Tyler Perry's I Can Do Bad All By Myself LGF $51,733,921 2,255 $23,446,785 2,255
2/20/09 Tyler Perry's Madea Goes to Jail LGF $90,508,336 2,203 $41,030,947 2,032
9/12/08 Tyler Perry's The Family That Preys LGF $37,105,289 2,070 $17,381,218 2,070
3/21/08 Tyler Perry's Meet the Browns LGF $41,975,388 2,016 $20,082,809 2,006
10/12/07 Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married? LGF $55,204,525 2,034 $21,353,789 2,011
2/14/07 Tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls LGF $31,366,978 2,111 $11,210,754 2,111
2/24/06 Tyler Perry's Madea's Family Reunion LGF $63,257,940 2,194 $30,030,661 2,194
If you look, Tyler Perry has never had a 100 Million dollar grosser. His biggest film was "Madea goes to Jail". The thing is Tyler's budgets are always low so his films make maximum profits. A matter of fact only 4 Black Directors in Film History ever had a 100 Million Grosser. That's Kennan Ivory Waynes with "Scary Movie" (A Comedy), John Singleton with "2 Fast, 2 Furious" (A Sequel to an already successful 1st film), F Gary Gray with "The Italian Job" (A good film and showed we can direct blockbusters) and Tim Story with both "Fantastic Four" films. The point is Hollywood is truly to blame. They never give a Black Director films like "The Matrix" or "Inception". Instead we are forced to do Comedies. Tim Story who got fired from the "Fantastic Four" series was the 1st Black Director to get a Big Budget Superhero Film and look how quickly they got rid of him after 2 100 million grosser. Spike is a better director but his highest grossing film is "Inside Man":
9/26/08 Miracle at St. Anna BV $7,919,117 1,185 $3,477,996 1,185
3/24/06 Inside Man Uni. $88,513,495 2,867 $28,954,945 2,818
7/28/04 She Hate Me SPC $366,037 28 $55,016 11
12/19/02 25th Hour BV $13,084,595 495 $108,865 5
10/6/00 Bamboozled NL $2,274,979 243 $190,720 17
8/18/00 The Original Kings of Comedy Par. $38,182,790 1,082 $11,053,832 847
7/2/99 Summer of Sam BV $19,288,130 1,536 $5,952,452 1,536
5/1/98 He Got Game BV $21,567,853 1,414 $7,610,663 1,319
10/18/96 Get on the Bus Sony $5,754,249 1,207 $2,156,409 1,207
3/22/96 Girl 6 FoxS $4,939,939 1,077 $2,485,764 1,077
9/15/95 Clockers Uni. $13,071,518 1,234 $4,463,560 1,208
5/13/94 Crooklyn Uni. $13,642,861 1,035 $4,209,475 1,033
11/20/92 Malcolm X WB $48,169,910 1,249 $9,871,125 1,124
6/7/91 Jungle Fever Uni. $32,482,682 844 $5,332,860 636
8/3/90 Mo' Better Blues Uni. $16,153,593 572 $4,387,360 544
6/30/89 Do the Right Thing Uni. $27,545,445 534 $3,563,535 353
2/12/88 School Daze Col. $14,545,844 224 $1,802,656 220
8/8/86 She's Gotta Have It Isld $7,137,502 1 $28,473 1
Tyler's highest grossing movie only did 2 Million than Spike's. Until we make that Super Blockbuster, Hollywood will never trust the Black Director to do the Big Films that a Michael Bay or Christopher Nolan gets. Trust me, someone will come along and shake this B.S. up, a Black Director will make a "Matrix" one day. My only compliant to Tyler is now that you got some power and your own studio. Is it necessary to keep doing the same movie over and over again? Where's the action film?, where's the sci-fi? I mean Madea part 25?, Really Tyler? It's just a waste of power to be a Black Director and be able to make whatever film you want and you choose to keep making the same movie.
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Coby Vibes;2412508 said:
Theres ugly in every race and nationality...so showing it through one race is whats up?
You come as intelligent most of the time, so maybe you are having a brain fart today....maybe if it had a bunch of females acting like whores every movie you'd get it.....
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jackthemack
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I've discussed this to death so I'm not gonna go into it again but all I'm saying is:
Fuck Tyler Perry.
Fuck Tyler Perry.
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Shuffington
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Coby Vibes;2412508 said:
heres the problem with this thinking.
Its an underlying assumption that, the Problem STARTS with black men.
If I say "Bishes aint shyt". Thats not solving anything or really telling us anything informative. Everyone has problems. Thats very surface level thinking.
Thats why THE WIRE was such a brilliant series. Because there was no good guy or bad guy. Everyone suffered with there own personal problems. Everyone tried to make do with the reality that was handed to them. The writers actually had to be ......um...whats the word........creative!
Rather than assuming that the drug dealer was a bad guy, or the crack head was a thief, the politician was a crook..... it delved deeper.
TP will never ever do that.
Spike Lee would though.... and has
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This is much to read, but these comments that were made by an intelligent woman.....
In September 2009, Jamilah Lemieux made similar remarks on National Public Radio. While thanking Perry for employing blacks in front of and behind the camera and for making work with humor and "positive messages about self-worth, love and respect," she criticized him for making television shows "marked by old stereotypes of buffoonish, emasculated black men and crass, sassy black women." She took him to task for his character of Madea saying that through this, "the country has laughed at one of the most important members of the black community: Mother Dear, the beloved matriarch. …Our mothers and grandmothers deserve much more than that." She stated that she appreciated that he was dismissive of critics' comments concerning his work, "but many black folks have expressed some of the very same attitudes about your work that white critics have." She stated that blacks "have been fed the same images of ourselves over and over and over because they sell." She felt that his success had been "mired with the worst black pathologies and stereotypes" and called on him to "stop dismissing the critics as haters and realize that black people need new stories and new storytellers."[31]
Lemieux’s criticism of Perry was cited and expanded upon by the author Tom Burrell in his 2010 book Brainwashed: Challenging the Myth of Black Inferiority. Burrell cited Perry’s 2008 film Meet the Browns as an example of when "we black people pull the trigger for our own image assassination."[32] Burrell also stated, "…it's not entirely fair to expect Perry to chart a new course alone. His movies and TV shows would not be so successful if blacks didn't have a raging appetite for messages and images that project us as dysfunctional or incompetent. Nothing that occurred during Amos 'n' Andy’s radio and television reign could match the words and actions of black comedies like Madea and The Browns. Our attraction to self-demeaning images came way before, and goes far beyond, Tyler Perry."[32] Burrell called for new images of blacks in entertainment and a new vision of black self-image.
In September 2009, Jamilah Lemieux made similar remarks on National Public Radio. While thanking Perry for employing blacks in front of and behind the camera and for making work with humor and "positive messages about self-worth, love and respect," she criticized him for making television shows "marked by old stereotypes of buffoonish, emasculated black men and crass, sassy black women." She took him to task for his character of Madea saying that through this, "the country has laughed at one of the most important members of the black community: Mother Dear, the beloved matriarch. …Our mothers and grandmothers deserve much more than that." She stated that she appreciated that he was dismissive of critics' comments concerning his work, "but many black folks have expressed some of the very same attitudes about your work that white critics have." She stated that blacks "have been fed the same images of ourselves over and over and over because they sell." She felt that his success had been "mired with the worst black pathologies and stereotypes" and called on him to "stop dismissing the critics as haters and realize that black people need new stories and new storytellers."[31]
Lemieux’s criticism of Perry was cited and expanded upon by the author Tom Burrell in his 2010 book Brainwashed: Challenging the Myth of Black Inferiority. Burrell cited Perry’s 2008 film Meet the Browns as an example of when "we black people pull the trigger for our own image assassination."[32] Burrell also stated, "…it's not entirely fair to expect Perry to chart a new course alone. His movies and TV shows would not be so successful if blacks didn't have a raging appetite for messages and images that project us as dysfunctional or incompetent. Nothing that occurred during Amos 'n' Andy’s radio and television reign could match the words and actions of black comedies like Madea and The Browns. Our attraction to self-demeaning images came way before, and goes far beyond, Tyler Perry."[32] Burrell called for new images of blacks in entertainment and a new vision of black self-image.
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so why did bill cosby and oprah have a big issue with dave chappelle while giving this dude a pass ?
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I Self Lord & Master
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well, tyler perry's movies are a flaming hot cheetos mess.......and thats why i dont bother w/ the shit. It aint that serious. As far as "perpetuating stereotypes" is concerned, thats the responsibility of the outsider, not the subject. If one doesnt have the humanity within them to view someone as an individual and not a collective minded inferior colored drone, there is nothing YOU can do about it. trying to combat it is basically competing for the honorary "exception" spot.
"you are one of the good ones
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"you are one of the good ones
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Coby Vibes
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MC The Rapper;2412527 said:
Shuffington;2412553 said:
youre assuming that the premise is black men aint shit. in every one of his movies the black women werent that much better. so if you watched a TP movie and thought only the black men looked bad and ugly, then you just have a guilty conscience
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