Trump bans trannys from military... Does the IC support this decision?

[Westie]

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[babelipsss]

I think people are confusing gays in the military with transgenders in the military. Gays are in the military. Always have been since the first group of dudes got together to defend a village a million years ago. Transgenders serving is a different matter. They would never be able to pass the entrance physical at MEPS. Its not like some tranny fooling somebody in the club. As the regulations stand now, the doc has to physically examine to make sure the recruit is a male or female. He is not examining their mind or emotions. The men do the turn your head and cough, women get in the stirrups. A MD can tell the difference between born and manufactured genitals. Once in the military (as it stands now) you wouldn't be able to make the change without drawing attention. After you get out, do what you want.

 

[matches malone]

if shims and ladyboys wanna go get themselves blown up in Smengistan or wherever, let them go. They have as much right to die in a senseless war and come back to shitty veterans benefits as the straights do.

 

[konceptjones]

McHugh's perspective isn't the consensus. Gender dysphoria is not labeled as a disorder in the DSM (it is in there). But so wasn't homosexuality, until it was realized issues of psychosocial functioning were largely a product of exogenous forces and homosexual people were ego-syntonic.

I don't understand why people care so much about what other's do with their bodies. It doesn't make sense to me. You don't see how that might be a problem for you?

Also, the military is grossly unappreciated and under-compensated. If trans people are getting a surgery out of the deal, then good for them. Ignoring that the military is the largest social welfare program America has, that's capitalism!

If you're upset about costs, why aren't you mad at defense contractors making a killing? Does Cheney ring a bell? Some of you are trying to justify irrational and antiquated beliefs. Which you are welcome to have, but it doesn't change what they are.

Gender dysphoria was originally gender identity disorder and was changed and downgraded due to intense pressure from the LGBT community.

 

[marc123]

if shims and ladyboys wanna go get themselves blown up in Smengistan or wherever, let them go. They have as much right to die in a senseless war and come back to shitty veterans benefits as the straights do.

THIS

 

[deadeye]

Transgenders in the army are more man or woman than any nigga on the IC (unless you are also in the military)...

So a man in the military who identifies as a woman is more man or is it more woman than any woman or man than any man on the IC

you can transition from man to woman or woman to man.

you big dummy.

actually, you can't. It's physically and biologically impossible.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.

Found a PDF of the article in the WSJ.
https://couragerc.org/wp-content/uploads/TransgenderSurgery.pdf

I dont give a damn about your articles B , if they wanna serve in the military and are good/decent at whatever skill they specialise in, i dont give a damn if she or he wants to be GI JOE or GI JANE. Coz a bullet snipin an insurgent or saving ya'll KFC loving fat ass americans from attacks docare about what gender is comes from.

Fam... The guy that wrote the article has 40 years under his belt in trans-studies as it pertains to mental health. He's an acknowledged scholar in the field. He's the former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, the hospital that pioneered sex reassignment surgery back in the 60's only to stop doing them in the 70's because they did not produce the desired results. The article I linked has case study material as reference that says that we're going about this all wrong.

He's got over 200 peer reviewed papers under his belt and has a career longer than you've likely been alive. IF there's anyone I'm going to listen to it's an acknowledged expert in the field, not some nigga with baseless arguments on the internet.

Nigga a damn transexual was on SEAL TEAM 6, one of the most elite military teams on the planet, pretty sure you gotta be mentally fit to even go anywhere near that squad, fuck that article

Look at the pics in the background.

He was a man at the time he was on Seal Team 6..........not a transsexual.

Soooooo.....do you think she just woke up one day and was like " hmmmm I think I'll be transgender today " like it's some kind of choice

Or are you saying once someone leaves the military they lose their skills and ability for combat ? Cause male or female she was still a Navy Seal then and NOW

No idea.

All I said was that he was a man.........not a transsexual............when he was on Seal Team 6.

Why do you say that ? Because of what she is wearing ?

Again you don't wake up one day and decide to be trans

she was a transgender then and now

Not exactly.

"He" was a man then.........."he's" still a man now.

Just a man whose undergone hormone therapy to give him more feminine features.

Hormone therapy, that.........according to @Black_Samson ..........he didn't undergo until he was out of the service.

Not while he was actively serving.

 

[Max.]

They should allow fat dykes to be bomb sniffing dogs

Save the pups

 

[deadeye]

Whats the difference from a man who "identifies" as a woman

And a white woman who "identifies" as a black woman

Shits all nuts to me

We gettin too PC to call these people out for being crazy tho

And im not anti gay... I just dont understand this pro tranny movement

One is most likely tied to brain chemistry which is out of your control...the other is just somebody being stupid as fuck which is completely in your control

What if I told you..........that those 2 things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive?

 

[konceptjones]

McHugh's perspective isn't the consensus. Gender dysphoria is not labeled as a disorder in the DSM (it is in there). But so wasn't homosexuality, until it was realized issues of psychosocial functioning were largely a product of exogenous forces and homosexual people were ego-syntonic.

I don't understand why people care so much about what other's do with their bodies. It doesn't make sense to me. You don't see how that might be a problem for you?

Also, the military is grossly unappreciated and under-compensated. If trans people are getting a surgery out of the deal, then good for them. Ignoring that the military is the largest social welfare program America has, that's capitalism!

If you're upset about costs, why aren't you mad at defense contractors making a killing? Does Cheney ring a bell? Some of you are trying to justify irrational and antiquated beliefs. Which you are welcome to have, but it doesn't change what they are.

under-compensated??? Are you high? You sniffin' that Shinola???

I worked for a defense contractor for 7 years. I'd still be there if they didn't start layoffs. The DoD is where the government spends the bulk of it's money. The military has a shitload of money for all manner of shit. The military will spend millions of dollars on projects they swear they want then, without warning or reason, change their mind and will abandon it. Money down the toilet bu they can do that 'cause they have so much of it. I've been on projects where we actually got shit built, had functional prototypes up and running, showed the shit off to brass and PMW146 and they were excited to see it working only to have 'em call us up like"we want to do something else. Document everything, pack it all up and stick it in storage". Millions of dollars in man hours down the tubes 'cause they want something shinier and newer.

Nah b, DoD got money to burn.

 

[(Nope)]

McHugh's perspective isn't the consensus. Gender dysphoria is not labeled as a disorder in the DSM (it is in there). But so wasn't homosexuality, until it was realized issues of psychosocial functioning were largely a product of exogenous forces and homosexual people were ego-syntonic.

I don't understand why people care so much about what other's do with their bodies. It doesn't make sense to me. You don't see how that might be a problem for you?

Also, the military is grossly unappreciated and under-compensated. If trans people are getting a surgery out of the deal, then good for them. Ignoring that the military is the largest social welfare program America has, that's capitalism!

If you're upset about costs, why aren't you mad at defense contractors making a killing? Does Cheney ring a bell? Some of you are trying to justify irrational and antiquated beliefs. Which you are welcome to have, but it doesn't change what they are.

Gender dysphoria was originally gender identity disorder and was changed and downgraded due to intense pressure from the LGBT community.

I'm sitting next to a dsm right now my guy and I'm familiar with it's history. Anyone that is not a white heterosexual male has not been adequately considered during it's creation and subsequent revisions. Moreover the Diagnoses therein serve as a means for professionals to communicate, to have a framework, to justify funding from MCO's that make the job difficult, but they are not end all-be all.

 

[Lou Cypher]

I dont care tbh.

 

[farris2k1]

Transgenders in the army are more man or woman than any nigga on the IC (unless you are also in the military)...

So a man in the military who identifies as a woman is more man or is it more woman than any woman or man than any man on the IC

you can transition from man to woman or woman to man.

you big dummy.

actually, you can't. It's physically and biologically impossible.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.

Found a PDF of the article in the WSJ.
https://couragerc.org/wp-content/uploads/TransgenderSurgery.pdf

I dont give a damn about your articles B , if they wanna serve in the military and are good/decent at whatever skill they specialise in, i dont give a damn if she or he wants to be GI JOE or GI JANE. Coz a bullet snipin an insurgent or saving ya'll KFC loving fat ass americans from attacks docare about what gender is comes from.

Fam... The guy that wrote the article has 40 years under his belt in trans-studies as it pertains to mental health. He's an acknowledged scholar in the field. He's the former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, the hospital that pioneered sex reassignment surgery back in the 60's only to stop doing them in the 70's because they did not produce the desired results. The article I linked has case study material as reference that says that we're going about this all wrong.

He's got over 200 peer reviewed papers under his belt and has a career longer than you've likely been alive. IF there's anyone I'm going to listen to it's an acknowledged expert in the field, not some nigga with baseless arguments on the internet.

Nigga a damn transexual was on SEAL TEAM 6, one of the most elite military teams on the planet, pretty sure you gotta be mentally fit to even go anywhere near that squad, fuck that article

Look at the pics in the background.

He was a man at the time he was on Seal Team 6..........not a transsexual.

Soooooo.....do you think she just woke up one day and was like " hmmmm I think I'll be transgender today " like it's some kind of choice

Or are you saying once someone leaves the military they lose their skills and ability for combat ? Cause male or female she was still a Navy Seal then and NOW

No idea.

All I said was that he was a man.........not a transsexual............when he was on Seal Team 6.

Why do you say that ? Because of what she is wearing ?

Again you don't wake up one day and decide to be trans

she was a transgender then and now

Not exactly.

"He" was a man then.........."he's" still a man now.

Just a man whose undergone hormone therapy to give him more feminine features.

Hormone therapy, that.........according to @Black_Samson ..........he didn't undergo until he was out of the service.

Not while he was actively serving.

its the mindset, were talking about not physical shit, which is why we saying it wasnt no overnight shit, shit was always prob in the back of the mind, they just waited, and if they mind was so fucked up due to them being that way, then by that logic(mental illness)they wouldnt have been able to do theyre job..and in her case, do it good enough to be on seal team 6..or it very well could have been overnight..the point is, not enough research and studies to prove jack shit

 

[blackrain]

Whats the difference from a man who "identifies" as a woman

And a white woman who "identifies" as a black woman

Shits all nuts to me

We gettin too PC to call these people out for being crazy tho

And im not anti gay... I just dont understand this pro tranny movement

One is most likely tied to brain chemistry which is out of your control...the other is just somebody being stupid as fuck which is completely in your control

What if I told you..........that those 2 things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive?

I would say you probably don't really know as much as you think about either issue.

 

[Go figure]

Transgenders in the army are more man or woman than any nigga on the IC (unless you are also in the military)...

So a man in the military who identifies as a woman is more man or is it more woman than any woman or man than any man on the IC

you can transition from man to woman or woman to man.

you big dummy.

actually, you can't. It's physically and biologically impossible.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.

Found a PDF of the article in the WSJ.
https://couragerc.org/wp-content/uploads/TransgenderSurgery.pdf

I dont give a damn about your articles B , if they wanna serve in the military and are good/decent at whatever skill they specialise in, i dont give a damn if she or he wants to be GI JOE or GI JANE. Coz a bullet snipin an insurgent or saving ya'll KFC loving fat ass americans from attacks docare about what gender is comes from.

Fam... The guy that wrote the article has 40 years under his belt in trans-studies as it pertains to mental health. He's an acknowledged scholar in the field. He's the former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, the hospital that pioneered sex reassignment surgery back in the 60's only to stop doing them in the 70's because they did not produce the desired results. The article I linked has case study material as reference that says that we're going about this all wrong.

He's got over 200 peer reviewed papers under his belt and has a career longer than you've likely been alive. IF there's anyone I'm going to listen to it's an acknowledged expert in the field, not some nigga with baseless arguments on the internet.

Nigga a damn transexual was on SEAL TEAM 6, one of the most elite military teams on the planet, pretty sure you gotta be mentally fit to even go anywhere near that squad, fuck that article

Look at the pics in the background.

He was a man at the time he was on Seal Team 6..........not a transsexual.

Soooooo.....do you think she just woke up one day and was like " hmmmm I think I'll be transgender today " like it's some kind of choice

Or are you saying once someone leaves the military they lose their skills and ability for combat ? Cause male or female she was still a Navy Seal then and NOW

No idea.

All I said was that he was a man.........not a transsexual............when he was on Seal Team 6.

Why do you say that ? Because of what she is wearing ?

Again you don't wake up one day and decide to be trans

she was a transgender then and now

Not exactly.

"He" was a man then.........."he's" still a man now.

Just a man whose undergone hormone therapy to give him more feminine features.

Hormone therapy, that.........according to @Black_Samson ..........he didn't undergo until he was out of the service.

Not while he was actively serving.

its the mindset, were talking about not physical shit, which is why we saying it wasnt no overnight shit, shit was always prob in the back of the mind, they just waited, and if they mind was so fucked up due to them being that way, then by that logic(mental illness)they wouldnt have been able to do theyre job..and in her case, do it good enough to be on seal team 6..or it very well could have been overnight..the point is, not enough research and studies to prove jack shit

But that also means he wasnt on hormones at that time that we know of. And if hormones have any mental side effects he may not have been able to do his job as efficiently. He may not have even been on the field.

Someone correct me if im wrong

 

[konceptjones]

Transgenders in the army are more man or woman than any nigga on the IC (unless you are also in the military)...

So a man in the military who identifies as a woman is more man or is it more woman than any woman or man than any man on the IC

you can transition from man to woman or woman to man.

you big dummy.

actually, you can't. It's physically and biologically impossible.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.

Found a PDF of the article in the WSJ.
https://couragerc.org/wp-content/uploads/TransgenderSurgery.pdf

I dont give a damn about your articles B , if they wanna serve in the military and are good/decent at whatever skill they specialise in, i dont give a damn if she or he wants to be GI JOE or GI JANE. Coz a bullet snipin an insurgent or saving ya'll KFC loving fat ass americans from attacks docare about what gender is comes from.

Fam... The guy that wrote the article has 40 years under his belt in trans-studies as it pertains to mental health. He's an acknowledged scholar in the field. He's the former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, the hospital that pioneered sex reassignment surgery back in the 60's only to stop doing them in the 70's because they did not produce the desired results. The article I linked has case study material as reference that says that we're going about this all wrong.

He's got over 200 peer reviewed papers under his belt and has a career longer than you've likely been alive. IF there's anyone I'm going to listen to it's an acknowledged expert in the field, not some nigga with baseless arguments on the internet.

Nigga a damn transexual was on SEAL TEAM 6, one of the most elite military teams on the planet, pretty sure you gotta be mentally fit to even go anywhere near that squad, fuck that article

Look at the pics in the background.

He was a man at the time he was on Seal Team 6..........not a transsexual.

Soooooo.....do you think she just woke up one day and was like " hmmmm I think I'll be transgender today " like it's some kind of choice

Or are you saying once someone leaves the military they lose their skills and ability for combat ? Cause male or female she was still a Navy Seal then and NOW

No idea.

All I said was that he was a man.........not a transsexual............when he was on Seal Team 6.

Why do you say that ? Because of what she is wearing ?

Again you don't wake up one day and decide to be trans

she was a transgender then and now

Not exactly.

"He" was a man then.........."he's" still a man now.

Just a man whose undergone hormone therapy to give him more feminine features.

Hormone therapy, that.........according to @Black_Samson ..........he didn't undergo until he was out of the service.

Not while he was actively serving.

its the mindset, were talking about not physical shit, which is why we saying it wasnt no overnight shit, shit was always prob in the back of the mind, they just waited, and if they mind was so fucked up due to them being that way, then by that logic(mental illness)they wouldnt have been able to do theyre job..and in her case, do it good enough to be on seal team 6..or it very well could have been overnight..the point is, not enough research and studies to prove jack shit

But that also means he wasnt on hormones at that time that we know of. And if hormones have any mental side effects he may not have been able to do his job as efficiently. He may not have even been on the field.

Someone correct me if im wrong

He retired in 2011. He started on hormones in 2013. The hormones do have mental side effects.

 

[(Nope)]

McHugh's perspective isn't the consensus. Gender dysphoria is not labeled as a disorder in the DSM (it is in there). But so wasn't homosexuality, until it was realized issues of psychosocial functioning were largely a product of exogenous forces and homosexual people were ego-syntonic.

I don't understand why people care so much about what other's do with their bodies. It doesn't make sense to me. You don't see how that might be a problem for you?

Also, the military is grossly unappreciated and under-compensated. If trans people are getting a surgery out of the deal, then good for them. Ignoring that the military is the largest social welfare program America has, that's capitalism!

If you're upset about costs, why aren't you mad at defense contractors making a killing? Does Cheney ring a bell? Some of you are trying to justify irrational and antiquated beliefs. Which you are welcome to have, but it doesn't change what they are.

under-compensated??? Are you high? You sniffin' that Shinola???

I worked for a defense contractor for 7 years. I'd still be there if they didn't start layoffs. The DoD is where the government spends the bulk of it's money. The military has a shitload of money for all manner of shit. The military will spend millions of dollars on projects they swear they want then, without warning or reason, change their mind and will abandon it. Money down the toilet bu they can do that 'cause they have so much of it. I've been on projects where we actually got shit built, had functional prototypes up and running, showed the shit off to brass and PMW146 and they were excited to see it working only to have 'em call us up like"we want to do something else. Document everything, pack it all up and stick it in storage". Millions of dollars in man hours down the tubes 'cause they want something shinier and newer.

Nah b, DoD got money to burn.

I don't see how what you just typed doesn't prove my point. Which is to say that this isn't really a money issue.

And I stand by the statement that troops are under-compensated. This is evidenced by 1/3 of America's homeless being veterans.

 

[Go figure]

Transgenders in the army are more man or woman than any nigga on the IC (unless you are also in the military)...

So a man in the military who identifies as a woman is more man or is it more woman than any woman or man than any man on the IC

you can transition from man to woman or woman to man.

you big dummy.

actually, you can't. It's physically and biologically impossible.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.

Found a PDF of the article in the WSJ.
https://couragerc.org/wp-content/uploads/TransgenderSurgery.pdf

I dont give a damn about your articles B , if they wanna serve in the military and are good/decent at whatever skill they specialise in, i dont give a damn if she or he wants to be GI JOE or GI JANE. Coz a bullet snipin an insurgent or saving ya'll KFC loving fat ass americans from attacks docare about what gender is comes from.

Fam... The guy that wrote the article has 40 years under his belt in trans-studies as it pertains to mental health. He's an acknowledged scholar in the field. He's the former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, the hospital that pioneered sex reassignment surgery back in the 60's only to stop doing them in the 70's because they did not produce the desired results. The article I linked has case study material as reference that says that we're going about this all wrong.

He's got over 200 peer reviewed papers under his belt and has a career longer than you've likely been alive. IF there's anyone I'm going to listen to it's an acknowledged expert in the field, not some nigga with baseless arguments on the internet.

Nigga a damn transexual was on SEAL TEAM 6, one of the most elite military teams on the planet, pretty sure you gotta be mentally fit to even go anywhere near that squad, fuck that article

Look at the pics in the background.

He was a man at the time he was on Seal Team 6..........not a transsexual.

Soooooo.....do you think she just woke up one day and was like " hmmmm I think I'll be transgender today " like it's some kind of choice

Or are you saying once someone leaves the military they lose their skills and ability for combat ? Cause male or female she was still a Navy Seal then and NOW

No idea.

All I said was that he was a man.........not a transsexual............when he was on Seal Team 6.

Why do you say that ? Because of what she is wearing ?

Again you don't wake up one day and decide to be trans

she was a transgender then and now

Not exactly.

"He" was a man then.........."he's" still a man now.

Just a man whose undergone hormone therapy to give him more feminine features.

Hormone therapy, that.........according to @Black_Samson ..........he didn't undergo until he was out of the service.

Not while he was actively serving.

its the mindset, were talking about not physical shit, which is why we saying it wasnt no overnight shit, shit was always prob in the back of the mind, they just waited, and if they mind was so fucked up due to them being that way, then by that logic(mental illness)they wouldnt have been able to do theyre job..and in her case, do it good enough to be on seal team 6..or it very well could have been overnight..the point is, not enough research and studies to prove jack shit

But that also means he wasnt on hormones at that time that we know of. And if hormones have any mental side effects he may not have been able to do his job as efficiently. He may not have even been on the field.

Someone correct me if im wrong

He retired in 2011. He started on hormones in 2013. The hormones do have mental side effects.

Lol so ppl usin his military experience as point of reference when all the changes he made were after retirement???

Smh

 

[Go figure]

What im wondering is what are the mental side effects of these hormones and if trans are currently pulled off duty while on hormone therapy

 

[farris2k1]

Transgenders in the army are more man or woman than any nigga on the IC (unless you are also in the military)...

So a man in the military who identifies as a woman is more man or is it more woman than any woman or man than any man on the IC

you can transition from man to woman or woman to man.

you big dummy.

actually, you can't. It's physically and biologically impossible.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.

Found a PDF of the article in the WSJ.
https://couragerc.org/wp-content/uploads/TransgenderSurgery.pdf

I dont give a damn about your articles B , if they wanna serve in the military and are good/decent at whatever skill they specialise in, i dont give a damn if she or he wants to be GI JOE or GI JANE. Coz a bullet snipin an insurgent or saving ya'll KFC loving fat ass americans from attacks docare about what gender is comes from.

Fam... The guy that wrote the article has 40 years under his belt in trans-studies as it pertains to mental health. He's an acknowledged scholar in the field. He's the former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, the hospital that pioneered sex reassignment surgery back in the 60's only to stop doing them in the 70's because they did not produce the desired results. The article I linked has case study material as reference that says that we're going about this all wrong.

He's got over 200 peer reviewed papers under his belt and has a career longer than you've likely been alive. IF there's anyone I'm going to listen to it's an acknowledged expert in the field, not some nigga with baseless arguments on the internet.

Nigga a damn transexual was on SEAL TEAM 6, one of the most elite military teams on the planet, pretty sure you gotta be mentally fit to even go anywhere near that squad, fuck that article

Look at the pics in the background.

He was a man at the time he was on Seal Team 6..........not a transsexual.

Soooooo.....do you think she just woke up one day and was like " hmmmm I think I'll be transgender today " like it's some kind of choice

Or are you saying once someone leaves the military they lose their skills and ability for combat ? Cause male or female she was still a Navy Seal then and NOW

No idea.

All I said was that he was a man.........not a transsexual............when he was on Seal Team 6.

Why do you say that ? Because of what she is wearing ?

Again you don't wake up one day and decide to be trans

she was a transgender then and now

Not exactly.

"He" was a man then.........."he's" still a man now.

Just a man whose undergone hormone therapy to give him more feminine features.

Hormone therapy, that.........according to @Black_Samson ..........he didn't undergo until he was out of the service.

Not while he was actively serving.

its the mindset, were talking about not physical shit, which is why we saying it wasnt no overnight shit, shit was always prob in the back of the mind, they just waited, and if they mind was so fucked up due to them being that way, then by that logic(mental illness)they wouldnt have been able to do theyre job..and in her case, do it good enough to be on seal team 6..or it very well could have been overnight..the point is, not enough research and studies to prove jack shit

But that also means he wasnt on hormones at that time that we know of. And if hormones have any mental side effects he may not have been able to do his job as efficiently. He may not have even been on the field.

Someone correct me if im wrong

He retired in 2011. He started on hormones in 2013. The hormones do have mental side effects.

To what extent? And if thats the case then why did they allow trans ppl to join in the 1st place? Its been said a dozen times over in this thread that theyre already serving, so obviously the effects have no bearing on shit, stop trying to defend this bullshit wit that wackass "mental illness" angle cause i bet your punk ass didnt give two fucks when it first started happining

 

[5th Letter]

It's unfortunate but the gays have to fight this battle on their own.