Trayvon Martin Case.... the plot thickens

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-cartoon-20120329,0,2989517.story?track=rss

Eisner, who is from the Woodlands community north of Houston, told The Daily Texan that she created the cartoon to criticize the media’s attempt to simplify and sensationalize news stories.

“I feel the news should be unbiased. And in the retelling of this particular event, I felt that that was not the case,” Eisner said. “My story compared this situation to yellow journalism in the past, where aspects of news stories were blown out of proportion with the intention of selling papers and enticing emotions.”

In a statement quoted in the Austin American-Statesman, Eisner apologized for what she said was "in hindsight an ambiguous cartoon."

"I intended to contribute thoughtful commentary on the media coverage of the incident, however this goal fell flat," she said in the statement. "I would like to make it explicitly clear that I am not a racist and that I am personally appalled by the killing of Trayvon Martin."

 

[bow to royalty]

Never posted in GnS before but seein how people felt about this case. I feel like a lotta black people (I'm black) are handlin this all wrong. BET is doing something on it right now, and the way it's being handled is annoying

care to elaborate?

Why do surveillance cameras still have such low quality

they usually don't. that video isn't from a bad source it's just bad compression. the quality isn't even that bad to me but people will nitpick just to be contrary.

either way they were taking him to the interrogation room which will have had a clear video on him so when he does get charged the lawyers and jury will get to see that this dude barely had a scratch on him.

also - even though this is the same link i posted before they changed the video and enhanced it somewhat:http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-ma...orge-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3OoKTGPVYA

I think people are jumpin on Zimmerman to go to jail too soon before we know the details. And it's hard to get people to listen to you if you're makin uninformed decisions, or if you use a clear bias. For example

"How can he be defending himself if he followed Trayvon?"- A common and stupid question. Following someone isn't the same as starting a physical altercation. And we don't know yet who started throwin punches.

"They told him not to follow Trayvon and he did it anyway!" That's true, but irrelevant. I agree that was wrong of him, but if you want to see Zimmerman in jail you have to point out the ILLEGAL things he did. Stop focusing so hard on Coon, and the following of Trayvon. Attack his crimes not his character if you want him arrested.

We as a people need to do more about racial profiling than just saying to stop it. Stop committing crimes! Every time a black person is pulled over for being black, but weed is found in the car, the person profiling them feels justified. That person just made it harder on other black people. TI was on the BET special yesterday speaking on this issue. And I'm thinkin "TI, you've been a drug dealer! You've gotten arrested for guns and drugs! You're part of the reason people are racially profiling black people." Part of the reason Trayvon was viewed as suspicious was because of the young black people recently committing crimes in the neighborhood.

K

Too soon? No he should've been arrested. And people kill me bringing up blacks being at fault. So I guess if I profile a guy of middle eastern descent, and follow him assuming he has a bomb, I can justify it by saying well, your people shouldn't have been bombing then. Besides blacks have been profiled and discriminated against forever. Have we always been a part of why others racially profiled us? And this case just highlights the dangers of profiling because if you do it you might end up killing an innocent person.

I guess you thought people were jumping to conclusion about Casey Anthony as well.her jurors ignored common sense and was thinking like you. Hopefully Zimmerman's jurors have some common sense.

Yes too soon cuz we dunno what happened. There's a report that on the way back to Zimmerman's car Trayvon approached him, and threw the first blow. And that the voice screaming for help on the tape was Zimmerman. Might be true, might not. But it's a realistic possibilty. So it's POSSIBLE a guy saw someone he felt was suspicious and followed him. Then the guy was mad about being followed and beat up his follower. Then Zimmerman was being beaten and screamed for help. No one came. So he had a gun, and used it to defend himself (which is his right). That's an account of what happened....we don't know if it's true or not. But if it is, Zimmerman shouldn't go to jail.

I'm not sayin black people are at fault for the racial profiling. But I am saying some are at fault for re-enforcing it. If people think of black people as stupid know what can be done to change that? BE INTELLIGENT. Just like black coaches in the NFL. They used to think black men couldn't coach. Then black coaches came in and did well. Now they're getting more opportunities. They fought against and changed a false stereotype. Not just by saying refusing to hire black coaches is wrong. But by taking action and proving the stereotype wrong.

I flagged you for believing the only nigga alive testimony when in fact that shit didn't make sense at all showing that he chased the dude. Fuck he going to walk up to Trayvon and ask what you doing her then go back to his car afterwards?

"We don't know if it's true or not" my exact words. How does that equal me sayin I believe him?

 

[lighthearted26]

@bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

 

[lighthearted26]

And that was Sandra bullock not Julia Roberts lol

 

[bow to royalty]

And that was Sandra bullock not Julia Roberts lol

I get them mixed up so much it's ridiculous. Same with keira Knightley and natalie portman

 

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mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-criticizes-anti-zimmerman-lynch-mob-last-time-we-saw-this-was-from-kkk/

Ann Coulter Compares Anti-Zimmerman ‘Lynch Mob’ To KKK

On Friday, Ann Coulter went on Laura Ingraham‘s show and — when the topic turned to Trayvon Martin — she called out the “lynch mob” that’s been going after George Zimmerman. The last time we saw this type of thing on a regular basis, she said, was with the Ku Klux Klan, an “outgrowth” of the Democratic Party.

The frenzy in the media, and attacks toward Zimmerman, Ingraham said, are “beyond irresponsible.” Something “violent could happen toward an innocent person,” she said. Coulter agreed, saying “it’s shocking.” She continued:

“I mean it is a lynch mob. This isn’t how we try cases in this country. And you know, the last time you saw this sort of thing on a regular basis was of course again from the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party’s outgrowth, the KKK. So, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that we get this from the Democrats. They have never bought into the criminal justice system where you have, you know, grand jurors and a procedure where evidence is vetted, and police look at it and prosecutors and grand jurors.”

Not everything goes to trial, she said. “How about we have a trial on what Chris Matthews’ IQ is?” Coulter quipped. “No, that doesn’t fit in with what the criminal justice system is designed to address. And if the cops and the prosecutor look at a case, look at the evidence and conclude that we don’t have probably cause for an arrest, there won’t be a trial. It’s just a cop-out to say, ‘Well all we want is a trial.’”

 

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[bow to royalty]

@bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

 

[lighthearted26]

I see your point but disagree. Don't get yourself into confrontational situations if you can't handle it without a weapon. How are you neighborhood watch but you can't defend yourself. He should have took some karate classes or something. He is a douchebag.

 

[Lurker6]

mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-criticizes-anti-zimmerman-lynch-mob-last-time-we-saw-this-was-from-kkk/

Ann Coulter Compares Anti-Zimmerman ‘Lynch Mob’ To KKK

On Friday, Ann Coulter went on Laura Ingraham‘s show and — when the topic turned to Trayvon Martin — she called out the “lynch mob” that’s been going after George Zimmerman. The last time we saw this type of thing on a regular basis, she said, was with the Ku Klux Klan, an “outgrowth” of the Democratic Party.

The frenzy in the media, and attacks toward Zimmerman, Ingraham said, are “beyond irresponsible.” Something “violent could happen toward an innocent person,” she said. Coulter agreed, saying “it’s shocking.” She continued:

“I mean it is a lynch mob. This isn’t how we try cases in this country. And you know, the last time you saw this sort of thing on a regular basis was of course again from the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party’s outgrowth, the KKK. So, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that we get this from the Democrats. They have never bought into the criminal justice system where you have, you know, grand jurors and a procedure where evidence is vetted, and police look at it and prosecutors and grand jurors.”

Not everything goes to trial, she said. “How about we have a trial on what Chris Matthews’ IQ is?” Coulter quipped. “No, that doesn’t fit in with what the criminal justice system is designed to address. And if the cops and the prosecutor look at a case, look at the evidence and conclude that we don’t have probably cause for an arrest, there won’t be a trial. It’s just a cop-out to say, ‘Well all we want is a trial.’”

forever hate u niggas for making me say this............but that skinny white bitch is kinda right.........some of you should be ashamed of yourselves

 

[desertrain10]

Never posted in GnS before but seein how people felt about this case. I feel like a lotta black people (I'm black) are handlin this all wrong. BET is doing something on it right now, and the way it's being handled is annoying

care to elaborate?

Why do surveillance cameras still have such low quality

they usually don't. that video isn't from a bad source it's just bad compression. the quality isn't even that bad to me but people will nitpick just to be contrary.

either way they were taking him to the interrogation room which will have had a clear video on him so when he does get charged the lawyers and jury will get to see that this dude barely had a scratch on him.

also - even though this is the same link i posted before they changed the video and enhanced it somewhat:http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-ma...orge-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3OoKTGPVYA

I think people are jumpin on Zimmerman to go to jail too soon before we know the details. And it's hard to get people to listen to you if you're makin uninformed decisions, or if you use a clear bias. For example

"How can he be defending himself if he followed Trayvon?"- A common and stupid question. Following someone isn't the same as starting a physical altercation. And we don't know yet who started throwin punches.

"They told him not to follow Trayvon and he did it anyway!" That's true, but irrelevant. I agree that was wrong of him, but if you want to see Zimmerman in jail you have to point out the ILLEGAL things he did. Stop focusing so hard on Coon, and the following of Trayvon. Attack his crimes not his character if you want him arrested.

We as a people need to do more about racial profiling than just saying to stop it. Stop committing crimes! Every time a black person is pulled over for being black, but weed is found in the car, the person profiling them feels justified. That person just made it harder on other black people. TI was on the BET special yesterday speaking on this issue. And I'm thinkin "TI, you've been a drug dealer! You've gotten arrested for guns and drugs! You're part of the reason people are racially profiling black people." Part of the reason Trayvon was viewed as suspicious was because of the young black people recently committing crimes in the neighborhood.

K

Too soon? No he should've been arrested. And people kill me bringing up blacks being at fault. So I guess if I profile a guy of middle eastern descent, and follow him assuming he has a bomb, I can justify it by saying well, your people shouldn't have been bombing then. Besides blacks have been profiled and discriminated against forever. Have we always been a part of why others racially profiled us? And this case just highlights the dangers of profiling because if you do it you might end up killing an innocent person.

I guess you thought people were jumping to conclusion about Casey Anthony as well.her jurors ignored common sense and was thinking like you. Hopefully Zimmerman's jurors have some common sense.

Yes too soon cuz we dunno what happened. There's a report that on the way back to Zimmerman's car Trayvon approached him, and threw the first blow. And that the voice screaming for help on the tape was Zimmerman. Might be true, might not. But it's a realistic possibilty. So it's POSSIBLE a guy saw someone he felt was suspicious and followed him. Then the guy was mad about being followed and beat up his follower. Then Zimmerman was being beaten and screamed for help. No one came. So he had a gun, and used it to defend himself (which is his right). That's an account of what happened....we don't know if it's true or not. But if it is, Zimmerman shouldn't go to jail.

I'm not sayin black people are at fault for the racial profiling. But I am saying some are at fault for re-enforcing it. If people think of black people as stupid know what can be done to change that? BE INTELLIGENT. Just like black coaches in the NFL. They used to think black men couhttp://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/460207/treyvon-martin-case-the-plot-thickens/p20ldn't coach. Then black coaches came in and did well. Now they're getting more opportunities. They fought against and changed a false stereotype. Not just by saying refusing to hire black coaches is wrong. But by taking action and proving the stereotype wrong.

your argument fails to take into account the socioeconomic discrimination that people of color especially blacks have faced for centuries and the correlation between crime and poverty... most the criminal behavior and negative characteristics often associated with members of the black community are more so prevalent in communities of lower socioeconomic status regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality etc...

as far as zimmerman goes....if you take in account trayvon's gf last conversation with him...the 911 tapes...the fact that zimmerman called 911 over the last couple of years over 45 times...zimmerman past run ins with the law....and the fact he has been the subject of numerous complaints by neighbors because of his aggressive behavior..... his story just doesn't add up

than take into consideration that the lead investigator didn't believe zimmerman's story and the many ways in which the sanford pd, who already have had a shady past, completely diverged from typical police protocol in this case...

you can't just say people calling for zimmerman's arrest are jumping to conclusions...

 

[The Prodigalson]

@bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

So you saying even though a complete stranger was following him in a car so he ran to another way from the stranger and the stranger get out his car and run behind him that he doesn't have a right to stand his ground? That's what you basically saying even if Zimmerman didn't attack he got close enough to be touch so would the stand your ground turn in Trayvon's favor?

 

[desertrain10]

I watche on CNN today where a person wore a helmet cam and reenacted the beginning and end of the chase within the actual gated community in real time. Zimmerman put in a significant amount of effort to chase Trayvon down. How anybody can defend Zimmerman is beyond me. Facts are facts.....Zimmerman hunted that boy down. I initially thought he had got out the car and immediately tackled Trayvon but that wasnt the case. SMH at anybody trying to defend Zimmerman'ss actions, it's inexcuseable

A nigga just want to know how he went from getting his ass beat on the concrete to shooting treyvon between two houses by trees and shit.

Its a side walk in between the buildings.

i know it was dark ...but if you look at the lay out of the route between his car and the murder scene it would have been close to impossible for zimmerman to completely lose sight of trayvon

 

[playmaker88]

The irony in this whole case.. is Trayvon was suspicious of Zimmerman a man who was following him for no good reason..other than his own fear, idiocy, over-zealous nature

 

[bow to royalty]

@bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

So you saying even though a complete stranger was following him in a car so he ran to another way from the stranger and the stranger get out his car and run behind him that he doesn't have a right to stand his ground? That's what you basically saying even if Zimmerman didn't attack he got close enough to be touch so would the stand your ground turn in Trayvon's favor?

Naw, he (Trayvon) does have the right to defend himself if he feels like someone's bout to do physical harm to him. It is possible Zimmerman didn't throw the first blow, but did get in Trayvon's face in a threatening manner. And that could have led to Trayvon hittin Zimmerman cuz he felt threatened (justified). Or maybe Zimmerman asked Trayvon what he was up to, and Trayvon took offense and became the aggressor. By the time they're face to face 6'3" Trayvon may not have been so intimidated by chubby 5' 10" Zimmerman (think those heights are right, but not sure). My whole point is that we don't know what happened. So I'm reserving judgment. Zimmerman could just be an overzealous, nosy dude who was concerned about the safety of his neighbors. And that does make him weird and annoying, but it's his acts that the law is investigating...not his character.

 

[fiat_money]

Never posted in GnS before but seein how people felt about this case. I feel like a lotta black people (I'm black) are handlin this all wrong. BET is doing something on it right now, and the way it's being handled is annoying

care to elaborate?

Why do surveillance cameras still have such low quality

they usually don't. that video isn't from a bad source it's just bad compression. the quality isn't even that bad to me but people will nitpick just to be contrary.

either way they were taking him to the interrogation room which will have had a clear video on him so when he does get charged the lawyers and jury will get to see that this dude barely had a scratch on him.

also - even though this is the same link i posted before they changed the video and enhanced it somewhat:http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-ma...orge-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3OoKTGPVYA

I think people are jumpin on Zimmerman to go to jail too soon before we know the details. And it's hard to get people to listen to you if you're makin uninformed decisions, or if you use a clear bias. For example

"How can he be defending himself if he followed Trayvon?"- A common and stupid question. Following someone isn't the same as starting a physical altercation. And we don't know yet who started throwin punches.

"They told him not to follow Trayvon and he did it anyway!" That's true, but irrelevant. I agree that was wrong of him, but if you want to see Zimmerman in jail you have to point out the ILLEGAL things he did. Stop focusing so hard on Coon, and the following of Trayvon. Attack his crimes not his character if you want him arrested...

Word, niggas' arguments are laced with false dichotomy out chea:

"If the mortician said there were no bruises on Trayvon's knuckles, it couldn't have been self defense."

"If the low-quality video doesn't show blood on Zimmerman's shirt, it couldn't have been self defense."

"If Zimmerman followed Trayvon, it couldn't have been self defense."

"If the fine-ass white bitch saw ZImmerman standing over Trayvon after she heard the shot, it couldn't have been self defense."

"If the states attorney office stopped the police from filing charges, it couldn't have been self defense."

^^^Such arguments are non-refuting, since they must ignore/exclude any alternatives to reach a conclusion.

I don't give a fuck about Zimmerman or Treyvon; but dismantling weak arguments is amusing as fuck.

 

[caddo man]

Yall know dude is going to get off right?

If you look at all the evidence, there is still doubt on what happened. All they have is really his word.

 

[lighthearted26]

Yea because everyone in jail is there because of strong arguments. Hopefully this one is opposite of Casey Anthony and OJ.

 

[5th Letter]

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

 

[lighthearted26]

Thank you Jamaica. Its still some sensible people in the world.