To those who believe in the power of prayer, does god or the heavens keep a waiting list?

[kingblaze84]

A relationship either is or it isn't. You have one or you don't, the type of relationship doesn't really matter, I mean it does matter because obviously an unhealthy one isn't that much good unless we are looking for the good in the bad or likewise the bad in the good. And as I said sometime before it's really hard to know or understand where or why someone is on the path where they are. It's weird to me to look behind me and wonder why all those people are behind me on the path, I just kick as many stones off the path as I can and hopefully it helps them catch up. Same with looking at the people ahead of me on the path, if I'm always wondering about them I'm likely to stumble. So while I take looks around my surroundings, I mostly focus on myself.

Yeah I mostly focus on my self too, it's not like I'm constantly worrying about other people. Maybe I analyze things too much and I honestly could understand other people claiming to have relationships with god, but lately a few people I know have been trying to get me into having a "relationship" with their god, and yet these same people recently have come upon all kinds of weird problems, so it kind of makes me look at them sideways lol. But I still respect their "relationship".

Trust me, I'm definitely focused on my own path overall. I'm actually satisfied with the path I'm on now, but I made this thread partially because a few of my religious friends or relatives (including my mom recently, ugh) have tried to take me off it, and I wanted to understand how some people can justify unanswered prayers.

Maybe they are jealous of your path? If yours seems to be doing you so well and theirs isn't, ya never know. People like to see you do good, but not better than them, usually. I would assume they justify it the same we all justify things, we just keep coming up with reasons until the nuisance goes away lol.

I think it's possible there could be a little jealousy that things are going my way in life overall and some of my religious friends and relatives aren't seeing much of the same, but I can't say for sure. When people say only their god can make my life complete, and yet they see I'm actually comfortable with my path, without their beliefs, I think for some of them, it makes them want to take me off my path more. My aunt for example says people don't pray enough or have faith enough and that's why the world in some places are full of disaster, but then I look at her life and her son's life particularly, a religious guy who suffered a bad heart attack at age 40 and he can barely breath these days. Worst part is he's the breadwinner of his household with 3 kids and an unemployed wife, so I don't see a whole lot of blessings in that situation lol, but what do I know.

Otherwise, people can still find justification for almost anything as you said, but as they like to say, "god works in mysterious ways"....whatever that means. It's a catchy phrase though.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I mean it is true, the universe/god does work in mysterious ways, I know you could agree, but other times it is definitely just a cop out.

Fuck man, I'd be telling my aunt guess you better start getting up at 4am to pray when everyone else isn't taking up god's ears cuz you need some blessings!

 

[kingblaze84]

I mean it is true, the universe/god does work in mysterious ways, I know you could agree, but other times it is definitely just a cop out.

Fuck man, I'd be telling my aunt guess you better start getting up at 4am to pray when everyone else isn't taking up god's ears cuz you need some blessings!

Yeah, the universe is very mysterious, no matter how you look at it.

I'm tempted to tell my aunt to get into voodoo or something, she's on the Haitian side of my family. Maybe that can help her out, prayer to Jesus has gone only so far. Might be time to try something else lol

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I mean it is true, the universe/god does work in mysterious ways, I know you could agree, but other times it is definitely just a cop out.

Fuck man, I'd be telling my aunt guess you better start getting up at 4am to pray when everyone else isn't taking up god's ears cuz you need some blessings!

Yeah, the universe is very mysterious, no matter how you look at it.

I'm tempted to tell my aunt to get into voodoo or something, she's on the Haitian side of my family. Maybe that can help her out, prayer to Jesus has gone only so far. Might be time to try something else lol

Prayer doesn't take away things we've done to ourselves or things we asked for or wished for. I tell people when I can to be careful what you wish/ask for cuz you WILL get it just the not the way you EXPECTED to get it, it comes the way the universe thinks you need it to further your understanding. At least this has been my personal experience and the experiences I have witnessed of others. If I spend my time drinking and my liver craps out I cannot beg god to help me, god allowed me to do as I wished, prolly even warned me of the consequences, and must allow it follow through or what purpose would it be for god to give me free will? It seems that is the same with everything that happens in life.

For people who harm children, of course the child has not asked for that, that is a crime perpetrated by an accountable adult to which I believe their crime comes with a high re-compensation for harming the innocent. What that punishment is I do not know and could not know because the re-compensation is not always the same. I'm not implying your uncle did that stuff to himself, or maybe he did I don't know what his lifestyle is, but with how food is the days it could be quite possible he was in unawares of what was happening to his body. It's also hard for me to surmise because I know so little details about your aunt and uncle.

 

[kingblaze84]

I mean it is true, the universe/god does work in mysterious ways, I know you could agree, but other times it is definitely just a cop out.

Fuck man, I'd be telling my aunt guess you better start getting up at 4am to pray when everyone else isn't taking up god's ears cuz you need some blessings!

Yeah, the universe is very mysterious, no matter how you look at it.

I'm tempted to tell my aunt to get into voodoo or something, she's on the Haitian side of my family. Maybe that can help her out, prayer to Jesus has gone only so far. Might be time to try something else lol

Prayer doesn't take away things we've done to ourselves or things we asked for or wished for. I tell people when I can to be careful what you wish/ask for cuz you WILL get it just the not the way you EXPECTED to get it, it comes the way the universe thinks you need it to further your understanding. At least this has been my personal experience and the experiences I have witnessed of others. If I spend my time drinking and my liver craps out I cannot beg god to help me, god allowed me to do as I wished, prolly even warned me of the consequences, and must allow it follow through or what purpose would it be for god to give me free will? It seems that is the same with everything that happens in life.

For people who harm children, of course the child has not asked for that, that is a crime perpetrated by an accountable adult to which I believe their crime comes with a high re-compensation for harming the innocent. What that punishment is I do not know and could not know because the re-compensation is not always the same. I'm not implying your uncle did that stuff to himself, or maybe he did I don't know what his lifestyle is, but with how food is the days it could be quite possible he was in unawares of what was happening to his body. It's also hard for me to surmise because I know so little details about your aunt and uncle.

Yeah I think I know what you mean, like we might pray to better understand ourselves in a way so we can fulfill what we desire, and that might cause someone to be greedy or act foolish with whatever we want to do. That's actually something my aunt's son may have done to himself, he had a heart attack at age 40 this year and it may be due to the fact he is overweight. At the same time, he may have a fat gene or something because my aunt is also a little big herself and she also has heart issues. Ironically, they both are on weight programs and went to the gym, so they did "try" to lose weight.

But at the same time, I eat quite a bit sometimes and yet I'm in good shape, and not part of any gym or weight program. I guess some people just have bad luck genetics wise or maybe her son did eat too much. But all the prayers to get himself in better health despite his true, genuine efforts (from what they said) didn't work out for him. He's lucky to be able to stay in his home without working due to the heart attack but many other people would be really fucked up in the same situation. If he doesn't get better he will be though. But it's tough for his kids to see him barely able to breathe, it's not like he's THAT overweight. Maybe 50 pounds or so, which I guess is quite a bit, but he's still young.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I mean it is true, the universe/god does work in mysterious ways, I know you could agree, but other times it is definitely just a cop out.

Fuck man, I'd be telling my aunt guess you better start getting up at 4am to pray when everyone else isn't taking up god's ears cuz you need some blessings!

Yeah, the universe is very mysterious, no matter how you look at it.

I'm tempted to tell my aunt to get into voodoo or something, she's on the Haitian side of my family. Maybe that can help her out, prayer to Jesus has gone only so far. Might be time to try something else lol

Prayer doesn't take away things we've done to ourselves or things we asked for or wished for. I tell people when I can to be careful what you wish/ask for cuz you WILL get it just the not the way you EXPECTED to get it, it comes the way the universe thinks you need it to further your understanding. At least this has been my personal experience and the experiences I have witnessed of others. If I spend my time drinking and my liver craps out I cannot beg god to help me, god allowed me to do as I wished, prolly even warned me of the consequences, and must allow it follow through or what purpose would it be for god to give me free will? It seems that is the same with everything that happens in life.

For people who harm children, of course the child has not asked for that, that is a crime perpetrated by an accountable adult to which I believe their crime comes with a high re-compensation for harming the innocent. What that punishment is I do not know and could not know because the re-compensation is not always the same. I'm not implying your uncle did that stuff to himself, or maybe he did I don't know what his lifestyle is, but with how food is the days it could be quite possible he was in unawares of what was happening to his body. It's also hard for me to surmise because I know so little details about your aunt and uncle.

Yeah I think I know what you mean, like we might pray to better understand ourselves in a way so we can fulfill what we desire, and that might cause someone to be greedy or act foolish with whatever we want to do. That's actually something my aunt's son may have done to himself, he had a heart attack at age 40 this year and it may be due to the fact he is overweight. At the same time, he may have a fat gene or something because my aunt is also a little big herself and she also has heart issues. Ironically, they both are on weight programs and went to the gym, so they did "try" to lose weight.

But at the same time, I eat quite a bit sometimes and yet I'm in good shape, and not part of any gym or weight program. I guess some people just have bad luck genetics wise or maybe her son did eat too much. But all the prayers to get himself in better health despite his true, genuine efforts (from what they said) didn't work out for him. He's lucky to be able to stay in his home without working due to the heart attack but many other people would be really fucked up in the same situation. If he doesn't get better he will be though. But it's tough for his kids to see him barely able to breathe, it's not like he's THAT overweight. Maybe 50 pounds or so, which I guess is quite a bit, but he's still young.

Well you know it's not the same for everyone. Some people might get diabetes from sugar, others might get heart disease, some people nothing happens, while others develop skin issues or whatever it may be. Maybe his body doesn't tolerant the same foods your body can, so I also recommend people give attention to their body and how things affect them and give less attention to what everyone else can do.

As I've said before god only answers prayers asking for understanding because it is understanding that will ultimately further your path, not a prayer asking to be in better health. So he could ask for understanding and answers will come and he will notice them if he is keen but more importantly receptive to it and willingly to listen. But the way the body works, once something is fucked up and fucked up good, it's hard to go back to when it wasn't, the damage is done ya know? and so you have to carry on forward and gather as much understanding about it as you can and do better or use that understanding to help other(kick stones off the path).

It's hard af tho, my body really hates chips but I(my mouth basically) enjoys them so much, I am better now at saying no to them but every few months I just absolutely have to* kill a bag and then I pay for it. And I ask god why god let me do that, why don't you give me more strength to say no, but god has to because of free will, god must let me do as I choose, even if it kills me.

*not really but I don't reject the compulsion[/size=3]

And one thing I have noticed with god is when asking for things in your life from god it seems god requires something from you, like a sacrifice. So you want something from god, but what are willing to give up(sacrifice) for god?

 

[MARIO_DRO]

I dont think man can answer for God

... EHHH TRUE AND NOT TRUE..

MAN(CHRISTIANS) ARE HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FATHER.. SO SOME THINGS CAN BE SPOKEN FOR

According to the prophet Mohammed, the angel Gabriel made a bunch of updates and corrections to the Bible and Torah. Why don't you believe the holy, inspired words of Gabriel, don't you trust the Abrahamic god's angels?

..UPDATE TO TUE BIBLE??

WELL, THAT WOULD MAKE THE WORD A LIE THEN, CORRECT?

 

[kingblaze84]

I mean it is true, the universe/god does work in mysterious ways, I know you could agree, but other times it is definitely just a cop out.

Fuck man, I'd be telling my aunt guess you better start getting up at 4am to pray when everyone else isn't taking up god's ears cuz you need some blessings!

Yeah, the universe is very mysterious, no matter how you look at it.

I'm tempted to tell my aunt to get into voodoo or something, she's on the Haitian side of my family. Maybe that can help her out, prayer to Jesus has gone only so far. Might be time to try something else lol

Prayer doesn't take away things we've done to ourselves or things we asked for or wished for. I tell people when I can to be careful what you wish/ask for cuz you WILL get it just the not the way you EXPECTED to get it, it comes the way the universe thinks you need it to further your understanding. At least this has been my personal experience and the experiences I have witnessed of others. If I spend my time drinking and my liver craps out I cannot beg god to help me, god allowed me to do as I wished, prolly even warned me of the consequences, and must allow it follow through or what purpose would it be for god to give me free will? It seems that is the same with everything that happens in life.

For people who harm children, of course the child has not asked for that, that is a crime perpetrated by an accountable adult to which I believe their crime comes with a high re-compensation for harming the innocent. What that punishment is I do not know and could not know because the re-compensation is not always the same. I'm not implying your uncle did that stuff to himself, or maybe he did I don't know what his lifestyle is, but with how food is the days it could be quite possible he was in unawares of what was happening to his body. It's also hard for me to surmise because I know so little details about your aunt and uncle.

Yeah I think I know what you mean, like we might pray to better understand ourselves in a way so we can fulfill what we desire, and that might cause someone to be greedy or act foolish with whatever we want to do. That's actually something my aunt's son may have done to himself, he had a heart attack at age 40 this year and it may be due to the fact he is overweight. At the same time, he may have a fat gene or something because my aunt is also a little big herself and she also has heart issues. Ironically, they both are on weight programs and went to the gym, so they did "try" to lose weight.

But at the same time, I eat quite a bit sometimes and yet I'm in good shape, and not part of any gym or weight program. I guess some people just have bad luck genetics wise or maybe her son did eat too much. But all the prayers to get himself in better health despite his true, genuine efforts (from what they said) didn't work out for him. He's lucky to be able to stay in his home without working due to the heart attack but many other people would be really fucked up in the same situation. If he doesn't get better he will be though. But it's tough for his kids to see him barely able to breathe, it's not like he's THAT overweight. Maybe 50 pounds or so, which I guess is quite a bit, but he's still young.

Well you know it's not the same for everyone. Some people might get diabetes from sugar, others might get heart disease, some people nothing happens, while others develop skin issues or whatever it may be. Maybe his body doesn't tolerant the same foods your body can, so I also recommend people give attention to their body and how things affect them and give less attention to what everyone else can do.

As I've said before god only answers prayers asking for understanding because it is understanding that will ultimately further your path, not a prayer asking to be in better health. So he could ask for understanding and answers will come and he will notice them if he is keen but more importantly receptive to it and willingly to listen. But the way the body works, once something is fucked up and fucked up good, it's hard to go back to when it wasn't, the damage is done ya know? and so you have to carry on forward and gather as much understanding about it as you can and do better or use that understanding to help other(kick stones off the path).

It's hard af tho, my body really hates chips but I(my mouth basically) enjoys them so much, I am better now at saying no to them but every few months I just absolutely have to* kill a bag and then I pay for it. And I ask god why god let me do that, why don't you give me more strength to say no, but god has to because of free will, god must let me do as I choose, even if it kills me.

*not really but I don't reject the compulsion[/size=3]

And one thing I have noticed with god is when asking for things in your life from god it seems god requires something from you, like a sacrifice. So you want something from god, but what are willing to give up(sacrifice) for god?

I hear what you're saying, I wouldn't be surprised if my uncle had bad habits during his time getting big lol, we all have our bad habits. Sometimes my friends say I drink too much during parties, and sometimes I eat a lot of Klondike bars, but for whatever reason I'm still very fit and in shape, and meanwhile haven't been to the gym in years. I do have discipline in many other ways and get exercise walking around, so I guess that saves me and keeps me in great health.

I guess I can learn from his example, but I'm pretty convinced a fat gene exists, or maybe it's a thyroid issue, as that can make people gain weight too. People with thyroid issues are usually born with it, and that makes diabetes and other issues much worse, which is really unfair but it is what it is at this point. Humans weren't created perfectly.

It is hard to stay away from things that hurt us sometimes and I suppose prayer doesn't change the effects of our actions either way, can it really make people understand their bad habits in a better way though? I'm skeptical on that but hey anything is possible. As far as sacrificing for "god", I'm not sure what you mean by that. What would I be willing to sacrifice for a god?? Hmmm I don't know, depends on what I can get out of the deal hahaha but seriously, I guess it depends on the kind of sacrifice, and if this god can even be able to prove itself to me. I'm sure my uncle would have sacrificed something, considering how religious he is. To help out my uncle and my homegirl's daughter, I guess I would sacrifice........a mouse or rat?

::shrugs::

 

[kingblaze84]

I dont think man can answer for God

... EHHH TRUE AND NOT TRUE..

MAN(CHRISTIANS) ARE HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FATHER.. SO SOME THINGS CAN BE SPOKEN FOR

According to the prophet Mohammed, the angel Gabriel made a bunch of updates and corrections to the Bible and Torah. Why don't you believe the holy, inspired words of Gabriel, don't you trust the Abrahamic god's angels?

..UPDATE TO TUE BIBLE??

WELL, THAT WOULD MAKE THE WORD A LIE THEN, CORRECT?

I don't know man, don't you believe in the Abrahamic god's angels? If the angel Gabriel said the Bible is outdated and needed updates, maybe the angel Gabriel was right. Maybe the Bible god wanted his word updated by the Koran.

After all, TWO OUT OF THREE Abrahamic religions claim the Bible is basically not the true word of god. That might be something to think about.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I hear what you're saying, I wouldn't be surprised if my uncle had bad habits during his time getting big lol, we all have our bad habits. Sometimes my friends say I drink too much during parties, and sometimes I eat a lot of Klondike bars, but for whatever reason I'm still very fit and in shape, and meanwhile haven't been to the gym in years. I do have discipline in many other ways and get exercise walking around, so I guess that saves me and keeps me in great health.

I guess I can learn from his example, but I'm pretty convinced a fat gene exists, or maybe it's a thyroid issue, as that can make people gain weight too. People with thyroid issues are usually born with it, and that makes diabetes and other issues much worse, which is really unfair but it is what it is at this point. Humans weren't created perfectly.

It is hard to stay away from things that hurt us sometimes and I suppose prayer doesn't change the effects of our actions either way, can it really make people understand their bad habits in a better way though? I'm skeptical on that but hey anything is possible. As far as sacrificing for "god", I'm not sure what you mean by that. What would I be willing to sacrifice for a god?? Hmmm I don't know, depends on what I can get out of the deal hahaha but seriously, I guess it depends on the kind of sacrifice, and if this god can even be able to prove itself to me. I'm sure my uncle would have sacrificed something, considering how religious he is. To help out my uncle and my homegirl's daughter, I guess I would sacrifice........a mouse or rat?

::shrugs::

A sacrifice would be anything you are attached to. Not necessarily a blood sacrifice. Sacrifice meaning giving up something, not killing something(I mean I guess you could consider it killing your attachment to it). So say I felt I really needed god's assistance with something, something that would not be within my power to change or have control over, maybe I could sacrifice/give up smoking weed ever again. That would be my offering to god. That's just an example, it doesn't have to be weed, maybe it could be coffee, or shopping or any other thing you're attached to. The point is what are willing to give up for god, for god to do something for you.

Idk, I've just kept rolling with that sort of exchange with god/universe because it has served me very well. There are many things I still hold onto because at this moment they are more dear to me than god, which is really fucked up if you think about it because what I am basically saying is; these finite, temporary things mean more to me than god, they're more important, even tho these things offer me nothing but suffering when I cannot enjoy them. So funny is the human mind and experience.

I want to add, anything I have said thus far and previous posts are always said from the stand point that that is my current understanding of things, which is always open to evolution of greater understanding or correction, especially correction because humans are prone to err.

 

[Ether44mag]

I did not read everything but one thing I know is that asking jesus for something is the wrong way to pray .First off that Jesus thing is a hoax I can explain if yall want ,but one should NEVER ASK when praying only give thanks

 

[zzombie]

This thread is proof that every generation gets dumber

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

You excluded tho right?

 

[kingblaze84]

I hear what you're saying, I wouldn't be surprised if my uncle had bad habits during his time getting big lol, we all have our bad habits. Sometimes my friends say I drink too much during parties, and sometimes I eat a lot of Klondike bars, but for whatever reason I'm still very fit and in shape, and meanwhile haven't been to the gym in years. I do have discipline in many other ways and get exercise walking around, so I guess that saves me and keeps me in great health.

I guess I can learn from his example, but I'm pretty convinced a fat gene exists, or maybe it's a thyroid issue, as that can make people gain weight too. People with thyroid issues are usually born with it, and that makes diabetes and other issues much worse, which is really unfair but it is what it is at this point. Humans weren't created perfectly.

It is hard to stay away from things that hurt us sometimes and I suppose prayer doesn't change the effects of our actions either way, can it really make people understand their bad habits in a better way though? I'm skeptical on that but hey anything is possible. As far as sacrificing for "god", I'm not sure what you mean by that. What would I be willing to sacrifice for a god?? Hmmm I don't know, depends on what I can get out of the deal hahaha but seriously, I guess it depends on the kind of sacrifice, and if this god can even be able to prove itself to me. I'm sure my uncle would have sacrificed something, considering how religious he is. To help out my uncle and my homegirl's daughter, I guess I would sacrifice........a mouse or rat?

::shrugs::

A sacrifice would be anything you are attached to. Not necessarily a blood sacrifice. Sacrifice meaning giving up something, not killing something(I mean I guess you could consider it killing your attachment to it). So say I felt I really needed god's assistance with something, something that would not be within my power to change or have control over, maybe I could sacrifice/give up smoking weed ever again. That would be my offering to god. That's just an example, it doesn't have to be weed, maybe it could be coffee, or shopping or any other thing you're attached to. The point is what are willing to give up for god, for god to do something for you.

Idk, I've just kept rolling with that sort of exchange with god/universe because it has served me very well. There are many things I still hold onto because at this moment they are more dear to me than god, which is really fucked up if you think about it because what I am basically saying is; these finite, temporary things mean more to me than god, they're more important, even tho these things offer me nothing but suffering when I cannot enjoy them. So funny is the human mind and experience.

I want to add, anything I have said thus far and previous posts are always said from the stand point that that is my current understanding of things, which is always open to evolution of greater understanding or correction, especially correction because humans are prone to err.

That's cool I see what you mean, well thinking in the terms of sacrificing a personal habit or whatever, I would say my homegirl has sacrificed a lot, she isn't spending money on herself like she used to, she even went without a fan or AC for about 3 weeks since money is so tight taking care of her daughter's medical bills and rent itself. I've helped her time to time but I feel bad for her struggles this year. She has a decent job but living in NYC with a sick child is a brutal financial experience according to her and some other people I know. Medicare won't take care of all her bills, so she's in for some tough times until her daughter gets better. Sounds like a sacrifice to me. My uncle is sacrificing money himself not working.

Then again, there are people who have it much worse obviously, and I kind of get your point on sacrifice, but damn, that's too much sacrificing, my homegirl has arthritis on top of that and having a sick kid is already exhausting. Maybe that's why many people long ago and even up till this day think sacrificing animals or even humans would favor the gods. Especially since sacrifice is so much of a big part of the human experience already for many people.

 

[kingblaze84]

I did not read everything but one thing I know is that asking jesus for something is the wrong way to pray .First off that Jesus thing is a hoax I can explain if yall want ,but one should NEVER ASK when praying only give thanks

I hear that but when you say Jesus is a hoax, you mean the hoax of him being a savior or him even existing?

 

[kingblaze84]

This thread is proof that every generation gets dumber

This thread is open to anyone's thoughts on prayer, not everyone has to have the same views that you do. Are you just upset because many don't believe your god is a real god?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

It's the people who go through trials and tribulations that have the most understanding, or hopefully they should if they spend any time in reflection rather than resentment. It's usually the people who've gone through some shit or who've have rough lives that seem to have more compassion/understanding for others pain and suffering. They can relate and 'feel their pain' and comfort them. For people who've never had to experience that, they lack so much imo, maybe even lack humanness or maybe soul, idk quite how to word that. But the lack is apparent and can be felt by others.

You know so for your friend, while her situation is difficult and unpleasant maybe, she in the long run is gaining things that are invaluable, you can't pick up a book and gain that insight or wisdom, you have to live it to understand it. And those are the things imo that put people farther ahead on the path than someone who has coasted through life. And who knows what her path is, only god.

 

[Ether44mag]

I did not read everything but one thing I know is that asking jesus for something is the wrong way to pray .First off that Jesus thing is a hoax I can explain if yall want ,but one should NEVER ASK when praying only give thanks

I hear that but when you say Jesus is a hoax, you mean the hoax of him being a savior or him even existing?

Him being God in the Flesh and being the only way to God , Its blasphemous ! God's people are already chosen before they're even born but they want to make you believe that if you say that jesus died and resurected and believe he was God in the flesh you will go to heaven...thats the trickery to send you to hell because God cannot die ! how in the fuck this guy is God in the flesh but died on the cross like all the other criminals .Plus the worst Sin ever is worshipping anybody other than The Most High, This Jesus guy included!

the Devil is a liar ,Lucifer (as the story goes) was cast out of heaven because he wanted God's glory and wanted to be worshipped...

now all of a sudden we got a magician who claims to be the middle man , yeah right lol

the trinity in itself is blasphemous, makin the sign of the cross ,while saying ,the father,the son, the holy spirit... but the cross was used to kill jesus ( by their story if he is really the messiah, its total disrespect )

How stupid is the theory that Jesus is God's only son ? lol tricknology we ALL are Gods children if not , that means there is more than one God if Jesus was his only son.

To me at the most Yeshua ,was a prophet who went against the establishement and got killed

This jesus ( hail zeus) nigga is a total lie to deceive God's people

when you start studying numbers and what they mean ,their occult meaning and all you start seeing the lies much clearer ( i know i'm going left and right here but I could talk about this for days)

33 is the age of jesus's when he died (allegedly lol) 33 is actually 6

in the bible it says number of the beast is 666 that number is 9 ( 3 times 6 =18 , 1+8 =9 the number of completion wich is a good number but also represents " the self " as in the Ego because the number 9 multiplied by any number comes back to a 9

ex: 9x9 = 81 ,8+1 =9

9x8 =72 ,7=2 =9 etc...

also 9 when added to any number = 0

9+3 =12 ,1+2 =3

9+7 =16 ,1+6 = 7 so its like the 9 dont exist or equals zero that right there says that maybe 666 means when we become too absored with the self thats when we die inside and right now individualism is at an all time high ,we are disconecting ourselves from the divine energy that is inside ALL OF US so if we all die inside ...

so jesus being number 6 by way of 33 wich is an important number in masonry and 6 is the number of male energy, the soul of man. SON OF MAN, Son Of GOD...

I'm sayin all this to say that those storys are not to be taken litteraly, the bible is full of hidden truth and metaphores but its been tampered with, one thing for sure I do believe some guy was killed for his convictions but praying to him like he was God in the flesh is dangerous because jesus was not even his fuckin name lol

I was left and righ I know lol and I dont claim to know it all basically I dont know shit but I learned alot since my eyes opened 15 years ago ( I was raised as a catholic) and this is my 2 cents

to sum it all up the jesus story is a blashpemy to The Most High, MY OPINION lol

 

[kingblaze84]

It's the people who go through trials and tribulations that have the most understanding, or hopefully they should if they spend any time in reflection rather than resentment. It's usually the people who've gone through some shit or who've have rough lives that seem to have more compassion/understanding for others pain and suffering. They can relate and 'feel their pain' and comfort them. For people who've never had to experience that, they lack so much imo, maybe even lack humanness or maybe soul, idk quite how to word that. But the lack is apparent and can be felt by others.

You know so for your friend, while her situation is difficult and unpleasant maybe, she in the long run is gaining things that are invaluable, you can't pick up a book and gain that insight or wisdom, you have to live it to understand it. And those are the things imo that put people farther ahead on the path than someone who has coasted through life. And who knows what her path is, only god.

My friend is actually very compassionate, she took care of her sister's daughter for a long time when her sister had some financial problems and in fact still takes care of her time to time when her sister can't find a babysitter. She's definitely a soulful person, into singing, poetry and everything. Maybe she is gaining something from all the struggles she's going through, wisdom in many ways I'm sure.

I do agree some struggle in life is good because it can make you a stronger person, but some things I think are just too much for one single person to deal with, liker her situation. Miracles do happen though, on a luck level or spiritual level, hopefully she and others get that. Probably won't come from prayer, but just some good habits, science and hopefully luck. And you think "god" can see a person's path ahead of time?

 

[kingblaze84]

I did not read everything but one thing I know is that asking jesus for something is the wrong way to pray .First off that Jesus thing is a hoax I can explain if yall want ,but one should NEVER ASK when praying only give thanks

I hear that but when you say Jesus is a hoax, you mean the hoax of him being a savior or him even existing?

Him being God in the Flesh and being the only way to God , Its blasphemous ! God's people are already chosen before they're even born but they want to make you believe that if you say that jesus died and resurected and believe he was God in the flesh you will go to heaven...thats the trickery to send you to hell because God cannot die ! how in the fuck this guy is God in the flesh but died on the cross like all the other criminals .Plus the worst Sin ever is worshipping anybody other than The Most High, This Jesus guy included!

the Devil is a liar ,Lucifer (as the story goes) was cast out of heaven because he wanted God's glory and wanted to be worshipped...

now all of a sudden we got a magician who claims to be the middle man , yeah right lol

the trinity in itself is blasphemous, makin the sign of the cross ,while saying ,the father,the son, the holy spirit... but the cross was used to kill jesus ( by their story if he is really the messiah, its total disrespect )

How stupid is the theory that Jesus is God's only son ? lol tricknology we ALL are Gods children if not , that means there is more than one God if Jesus was his only son.

To me at the most Yeshua ,was a prophet who went against the establishement and got killed

This jesus ( hail zeus) nigga is a total lie to deceive God's people

when you start studying numbers and what they mean ,their occult meaning and all you start seeing the lies much clearer ( i know i'm going left and right here but I could talk about this for days)

33 is the age of jesus's when he died (allegedly lol) 33 is actually 6

in the bible it says number of the beast is 666 that number is 9 ( 3 times 6 =18 , 1+8 =9 the number of completion wich is a good number but also represents " the self " as in the Ego because the number 9 multiplied by any number comes back to a 9

ex: 9x9 = 81 ,8+1 =9

9x8 =72 ,7=2 =9 etc...

also 9 when added to any number = 0

9+3 =12 ,1+2 =3

9+7 =16 ,1+6 = 7 so its like the 9 dont exist or equals zero that right there says that maybe 666 means when we become too absored with the self thats when we die inside and right now individualism is at an all time high ,we are disconecting ourselves from the divine energy that is inside ALL OF US so if we all die inside ...

so jesus being number 6 by way of 33 wich is an important number in masonry and 6 is the number of male energy, the soul of man. SON OF MAN, Son Of GOD...

I'm sayin all this to say that those storys are not to be taken litteraly, the bible is full of hidden truth and metaphores but its been tampered with, one thing for sure I do believe some guy was killed for his convictions but praying to him like he was God in the flesh is dangerous because jesus was not even his fuckin name lol

I was left and righ I know lol and I dont claim to know it all basically I dont know shit but I learned alot since my eyes opened 15 years ago ( I was raised as a catholic) and this is my 2 cents

to sum it all up the jesus story is a blashpemy to The Most High, MY OPINION lol

That numbers theory is definitely interesting, reminds me of something Arnold Swarzenagger said in the movie End of Days.

We definitely agree the Bible stories shouldn't be taken literally, that includes Jesus rising from the dead and claiming to be god, I don't see Jesus walking around anywhere lol. I called out to him on this forum a year ago, never heard anything. I was being sincere about it too.

I believe a higher power of some kind could be out there or was out there, but Jesus definitely wasn't a "god". A god isn't supposed to be killed by mere humans as you said, what kind of bitch ass god is that? A god is supposed to go out with a bang like the Hindu gods, that waged total war against other gods (supposedly). Jesus claimed to be god but couldn't even deliver his "chosen people" out of Roman occupation. Not exactly impressive and god like, that's a fake ass god. What happened to gods being powerful, like the good old days. If there is a god, which is possible, I don't think it would need a middle man.

I was Catholic 16 years ago lol.....couldn't stand with the lies any longer.