To those who believe in the power of prayer, does god or the heavens keep a waiting list?

[zzombie]

@zzombie

LOL look at you name calling me now, I can see the desperation and sadness in your posts now. I name called your demon god, true, but I'm not the one who has created brain eating parasites you fucking idiot. But keep up your name calling LOL, I'm laughing my ass off seeing you cry like a little bitch because your answers to my comments and questions are so pathetic. You would have been better off leaving this thread alone, that's how pathetic your posts are becoming now.

Israel is still a nation filled with misery and anxiety and panic attacks, talk to Israelis like I have, they say it's a nation where many take anxiety pills because of the constant fear they have of attacks from Palestinians. And no matter what you say about Israel, most around the world agree, especially in the United Nations, that Israel is an apartheid state and likely stealing land because they want to accommodate their growing Jewish population. Israel is a tiny nation and it's stealing land to accommodate growing and overpopulated Israeli cities. Many Israelis complain about the very high cost of living and how things are not great there. That sounds like a bullshit ass covenant hahaha

And Bill Maher has Jewish ancestry you stupid clown, did you smoke PCP and inject heroin before you made your post? You must be high off PCP right now dum dum
http://www.isjewish.com/bill_maher/

Is Bill Maher Jewish?

Well, to make a long story short, Bill Maher is Jewish!

Since Bill Maher's mother is Jewish, and in Judaism one's religion is based on one's mother's religion, then that makes him also Jewish. His father is not Jewish.



--What do you have to say now you big dummy? Go learn some more about the world before you post any more here, you're making yourself seem more stupid and retarded then you need to. Bill Maher is a Jew and even he talks mad shit about the Abrahamic god. So does George Soros and a ton of other famous Jews.

That does not make bill maher jewish it just means that he is erroneously considered jewish by some people.. in judaism having a jewish mother is only one requirement but it takes more than that to be a jew. ISRAEL BEING AN apartheid state is another mischaracterization but even if it was i would have no problem with that under those conditions apartheid does not violate the law of god at all.

FUCK THE U.N is a useless organization... this are fine in israel you just have a childish understanding of the world. ISRAEL has problems all nations have problems so grow the fuck up already. PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE HIGH COST OF LIVING IN NYC and london in that respect israel is no different from any 1st world nation.

my friend you can go fuck yourself thread after thread it's the same bullshit... the same stupid question and the same stupid lies. EVERY THREAD I know you are going to say something about parasites and israel and before that you will call god lazy you never say what qualifies god as being lazy but whatever i know the drill.

 

[zzombie]

And of course you couldn't convert me, I remember some Christians in my family praying over me when I stopped being Christian many years ago, praying that I would change my mind. 16 years later, their prayers weren't answered. I wonder why.

The prayers of another cannot move the hearts of others, If those hearts have already set themselves on a path and are determined to walk it THEY will walk it. God really does not chase people down if you want nothing to do with him he won't force himself on you.

And trust me i am not trying to convert you that's not the role i play

Okay, fair enough. But if that's true, then it's probably destiny that me and one billion others plus on Earth are non-religious.

That's cool and everything, but you just made the power of prayer appear much weaker. Many people pray to help change the direction their family or friends are going through, I guess those people are wasting their time.

If you think that one billion people on the earth are non-religious ( whatever that means) then you are either on crack or living in a fantasy world. MANY people don't understand what prayer is for, prayer serves as a way to align yourself with the will of god it is not a way for you to manipulate god into doing what you want.

More then one billion people worldwide consider themselves non-religious or have no religious affiliation dum dum, read some magazines and journals. Many non-religious are spiritual, but more then a billion are not affiliated with any religion, stop sounding like a fucking retard.

I know plenty of people that don't claim any religion but still believe in a particular god. If you read magazines but don't think they will lead you to faulty conclusions. I posit that the term "non-religious" does not have the connotations you think it does IT can simply mean that there are people who don't affiliate with any religious denomination it does not have to mean that don't have any particular religious beliefs

 

[kingblaze84]

@zzombie

LOL look at you name calling me now, I can see the desperation and sadness in your posts now. I name called your demon god, true, but I'm not the one who has created brain eating parasites you fucking idiot. But keep up your name calling LOL, I'm laughing my ass off seeing you cry like a little bitch because your answers to my comments and questions are so pathetic. You would have been better off leaving this thread alone, that's how pathetic your posts are becoming now.

Israel is still a nation filled with misery and anxiety and panic attacks, talk to Israelis like I have, they say it's a nation where many take anxiety pills because of the constant fear they have of attacks from Palestinians. And no matter what you say about Israel, most around the world agree, especially in the United Nations, that Israel is an apartheid state and likely stealing land because they want to accommodate their growing Jewish population. Israel is a tiny nation and it's stealing land to accommodate growing and overpopulated Israeli cities. Many Israelis complain about the very high cost of living and how things are not great there. That sounds like a bullshit ass covenant hahaha

And Bill Maher has Jewish ancestry you stupid clown, did you smoke PCP and inject heroin before you made your post? You must be high off PCP right now dum dum
http://www.isjewish.com/bill_maher/

Is Bill Maher Jewish?

Well, to make a long story short, Bill Maher is Jewish!

Since Bill Maher's mother is Jewish, and in Judaism one's religion is based on one's mother's religion, then that makes him also Jewish. His father is not Jewish.



--What do you have to say now you big dummy? Go learn some more about the world before you post any more here, you're making yourself seem more stupid and retarded then you need to. Bill Maher is a Jew and even he talks mad shit about the Abrahamic god. So does George Soros and a ton of other famous Jews.

That does not make bill maher jewish it just means that he is erroneously considered jewish by some people.. in judaism having a jewish mother is only one requirement but it takes more than that to be a jew. ISRAEL BEING AN apartheid state is another mischaracterization but even if it was i would have no problem with that under those conditions apartheid does not violate the law of god at all.

FUCK THE U.N is a useless organization... this are fine in israel you just have a childish understanding of the world. ISRAEL has problems all nations have problems so grow the fuck up already. PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE HIGH COST OF LIVING IN NYC and london in that respect israel is no different from any 1st world nation.

my friend you can go fuck yourself thread after thread it's the same bullshit... the same stupid question and the same stupid lies. EVERY THREAD I know you are going to say something about parasites and israel and before that you will call god lazy you never say what qualifies god as being lazy but whatever i know the drill.

We have different philosophies on what is good and what is evil, and different ideas on what is worthy of respect and not worthy of respect. I personally don't think a god that purposely makes parasites and other horrors is worthy of my respect. Pray to it all day long if that makes you happy, but I still don't understand how or why you would boast about a god like yours.

And the law of the Bible god is worth jack shit, the Bible and Torah support slavery, fuck those piece of shit books. It's bad enough you admit your god has made the horrors of the world but the so called laws and rules of these so called holy books are beyond disgusting as well.

The UN has a lot of flaws but at least it's actually doing something about the problems and issues I mentioned, it has many programs dedicated to clean water and building housing in poor areas. Meanwhile, the Bible god is doing what exactly about polluted waters and parasites infesting them.....? Nothing, except making MORE PARASITES according to you, mutating them as well lol, how terrific. How wonderful.

 

[kingblaze84]

1 Peter 2:18-19

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God



--This is the "god's" law I'm supposed to take seriously? Slaves should submit themselves to mean or fucked up slave masters huh? Haha, no wonder Columbus, Brazilian and American slave masters loved the Bible. Not a coincidence. What a piece of trash book, I'll piss on a book like that.


--That's not me in the video by the way lol

 

[zzombie]

1 Peter 2:18-19

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God



--This is the "god's" law I'm supposed to take seriously? Slaves should submit themselves to mean or fucked up slave masters huh? Haha, no wonder Columbus, Brazilian and American slave masters loved the Bible. Not a coincidence. What a piece of trash book, I'll piss on a book like that.


--That's not me in the video by the way lol

The words of peter are not god's law... outside of the gospels and revelation the rest of the new testament is mostly just letters and advice given on how to run a Church and how to conduct yourself.

You can disrespect my beliefs all you want in doing so you only prove me correct when i say you only male TROLL threads... but by the way At the time peter wrote that many people in the roman empire chose to be slaves.

 

[kingblaze84]

1 Peter 2:18-19

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God



--This is the "god's" law I'm supposed to take seriously? Slaves should submit themselves to mean or fucked up slave masters huh? Haha, no wonder Columbus, Brazilian and American slave masters loved the Bible. Not a coincidence. What a piece of trash book, I'll piss on a book like that.


--That's not me in the video by the way lol

The words of peter are not god's law... outside of the gospels and revelation the rest of the new testament is mostly just letters and advice given on how to run a Church and how to conduct yourself.

You can disrespect my beliefs all you want in doing so you only prove me correct when i say you only male TROLL threads... but by the way At the time peter wrote that many people in the roman empire chose to be slaves.

LIAR. I thought the Bible was inspired by the Bible god, are you saying Peter's words are not divinely inspired.....?

If that's the case, then why should any other prophet in the Bible be taken seriously? Peter followed Jesus personally, if Peter is telling slaves they MUST SUBMIT to cruel and harsh masters, Peter's words must be divinely inspired right??

Or are you calling one of the Bible's most important prophets a liar......? Make up your mind. And I agree many in the Roman Empire chose to be slaves for debt reasons but many DID NOT want to be slaves. So Peter's outrageous words of support for slavery IN THE NEW TESTAMENT shows a clear pattern of disgraceful behavior. If I had slaves and mistreated them, I would be considered a bad person. But the Bible god tells slaves to submit to harsh masters. No wonder Christian slave masters felt so cool and easy as they raped their slaves. And this is the god you brag about.

 

[zzombie]

1 Peter 2:18-19

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God



--This is the "god's" law I'm supposed to take seriously? Slaves should submit themselves to mean or fucked up slave masters huh? Haha, no wonder Columbus, Brazilian and American slave masters loved the Bible. Not a coincidence. What a piece of trash book, I'll piss on a book like that.


--That's not me in the video by the way lol

The words of peter are not god's law... outside of the gospels and revelation the rest of the new testament is mostly just letters and advice given on how to run a Church and how to conduct yourself.

You can disrespect my beliefs all you want in doing so you only prove me correct when i say you only male TROLL threads... but by the way At the time peter wrote that many people in the roman empire chose to be slaves.

LIAR. I thought the Bible was inspired by the Bible god, are you saying Peter's words are not divinely inspired.....?

If that's the case, then why should any other prophet in the Bible be taken seriously? Peter followed Jesus personally, if Peter is telling slaves they MUST SUBMIT to cruel and harsh masters, Peter's words must be divinely inspired right??

Or are you calling one of the Bible's most important prophets a liar......? Make up your mind. And I agree many in the Roman Empire chose to be slaves for debt reasons but many DID NOT want to be slaves. So Peter's outrageous words of support for slavery IN THE NEW TESTAMENT shows a clear pattern of disgraceful behavior. If I had slaves and mistreated them, I would be considered a bad person. But the Bible god tells slaves to submit to harsh masters. No wonder Christian slave masters felt so cool and easy as they raped their slaves. And this is the god you brag about.

There are versions of the bible that highlight in red when god is speaking through a prophet find one. If you read the bible carefully you will be able to note when God is speaking through the prophet vs when the prophet is speaking for himself.

christians were in no positions to end slavery during the early days of the church slaves in the roman empire at that time could be freed until the age of 30 and even then only a certain amount of slaves were allowed to be made free.... that was roman law and christians were subject to roman law so really if peter had told the slaves to rise up or run away he would have been in violation of roman law.

 

[WYRM]

They on call waiting and screening all our calls. Why?

1 WYRM 411:420

Get over it and solve your own damn problems, God ain't got time for our petty shit.--AMEN!

 

[kingblaze84]

1 Peter 2:18-19

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God



--This is the "god's" law I'm supposed to take seriously? Slaves should submit themselves to mean or fucked up slave masters huh? Haha, no wonder Columbus, Brazilian and American slave masters loved the Bible. Not a coincidence. What a piece of trash book, I'll piss on a book like that.


--That's not me in the video by the way lol

The words of peter are not god's law... outside of the gospels and revelation the rest of the new testament is mostly just letters and advice given on how to run a Church and how to conduct yourself.

You can disrespect my beliefs all you want in doing so you only prove me correct when i say you only male TROLL threads... but by the way At the time peter wrote that many people in the roman empire chose to be slaves.

LIAR. I thought the Bible was inspired by the Bible god, are you saying Peter's words are not divinely inspired.....?

If that's the case, then why should any other prophet in the Bible be taken seriously? Peter followed Jesus personally, if Peter is telling slaves they MUST SUBMIT to cruel and harsh masters, Peter's words must be divinely inspired right??

Or are you calling one of the Bible's most important prophets a liar......? Make up your mind. And I agree many in the Roman Empire chose to be slaves for debt reasons but many DID NOT want to be slaves. So Peter's outrageous words of support for slavery IN THE NEW TESTAMENT shows a clear pattern of disgraceful behavior. If I had slaves and mistreated them, I would be considered a bad person. But the Bible god tells slaves to submit to harsh masters. No wonder Christian slave masters felt so cool and easy as they raped their slaves. And this is the god you brag about.

There are versions of the bible that highlight in red when god is speaking through a prophet find one. If you read the bible carefully you will be able to note when God is speaking through the prophet vs when the prophet is speaking for himself.

christians were in no positions to end slavery during the early days of the church slaves in the roman empire at that time could be freed until the age of 30 and even then only a certain amount of slaves were allowed to be made free.... that was roman law and christians were subject to roman law so really if peter had told the slaves to rise up or run away he would have been in violation of roman law.

Here we go again with the excuses, Peter wasn't against slavery either. He never condemns it, and the New Testament just gives a bunch of rules on it. I understand Christians couldn't end slavery in those days but the Bible god didn't exactly do much to end slavery either. It co-signed slaves OBEYING harsh masters, that's some bullshit. Instead of condemning slavery, it simply gives rules on it. How wonderful.

And if Peter acted against Roman law, why couldn't the Bible god protect him? The Bible god is weaker then Roman law now? That doesn't seem like a powerful god at all, it sounds like a very weak and helpless one.

 

[kingblaze84]

They on call waiting and screening all our calls. Why?

1 WYRM 411:420

Get over it and solve your own damn problems, God ain't got time for our petty shit.--AMEN!

I could respect a god feeling that way. It would be more honest then what a few other holy books say.

 

[zzombie]

1 Peter 2:18-19

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God



--This is the "god's" law I'm supposed to take seriously? Slaves should submit themselves to mean or fucked up slave masters huh? Haha, no wonder Columbus, Brazilian and American slave masters loved the Bible. Not a coincidence. What a piece of trash book, I'll piss on a book like that.


--That's not me in the video by the way lol

The words of peter are not god's law... outside of the gospels and revelation the rest of the new testament is mostly just letters and advice given on how to run a Church and how to conduct yourself.

You can disrespect my beliefs all you want in doing so you only prove me correct when i say you only male TROLL threads... but by the way At the time peter wrote that many people in the roman empire chose to be slaves.

LIAR. I thought the Bible was inspired by the Bible god, are you saying Peter's words are not divinely inspired.....?

If that's the case, then why should any other prophet in the Bible be taken seriously? Peter followed Jesus personally, if Peter is telling slaves they MUST SUBMIT to cruel and harsh masters, Peter's words must be divinely inspired right??

Or are you calling one of the Bible's most important prophets a liar......? Make up your mind. And I agree many in the Roman Empire chose to be slaves for debt reasons but many DID NOT want to be slaves. So Peter's outrageous words of support for slavery IN THE NEW TESTAMENT shows a clear pattern of disgraceful behavior. If I had slaves and mistreated them, I would be considered a bad person. But the Bible god tells slaves to submit to harsh masters. No wonder Christian slave masters felt so cool and easy as they raped their slaves. And this is the god you brag about.

There are versions of the bible that highlight in red when god is speaking through a prophet find one. If you read the bible carefully you will be able to note when God is speaking through the prophet vs when the prophet is speaking for himself.

christians were in no positions to end slavery during the early days of the church slaves in the roman empire at that time could be freed until the age of 30 and even then only a certain amount of slaves were allowed to be made free.... that was roman law and christians were subject to roman law so really if peter had told the slaves to rise up or run away he would have been in violation of roman law.

Here we go again with the excuses, Peter wasn't against slavery either. He never condemns it, and the New Testament just gives a bunch of rules on it. I understand Christians couldn't end slavery in those days but the Bible god didn't exactly do much to end slavery either. It co-signed slaves OBEYING harsh masters, that's some bullshit. Instead of condemning slavery, it simply gives rules on it. How wonderful.

And if Peter acted against Roman law, why couldn't the Bible god protect him? The Bible god is weaker then Roman law now? That doesn't seem like a powerful god at all, it sounds like a very weak and helpless one.

The bible god as you call him does not always come down to end physically suffering and i've told you why a million times already.... sorry but GOD does not act the way you want him to act he acts according to the guide lines set down in his word. which means he's not always going to save your ass but he will always save your soul.

that goes for slaves peter and anybody else

 

[kingblaze84]

1 Peter 2:18-19

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God



--This is the "god's" law I'm supposed to take seriously? Slaves should submit themselves to mean or fucked up slave masters huh? Haha, no wonder Columbus, Brazilian and American slave masters loved the Bible. Not a coincidence. What a piece of trash book, I'll piss on a book like that.


--That's not me in the video by the way lol

The words of peter are not god's law... outside of the gospels and revelation the rest of the new testament is mostly just letters and advice given on how to run a Church and how to conduct yourself.

You can disrespect my beliefs all you want in doing so you only prove me correct when i say you only male TROLL threads... but by the way At the time peter wrote that many people in the roman empire chose to be slaves.

LIAR. I thought the Bible was inspired by the Bible god, are you saying Peter's words are not divinely inspired.....?

If that's the case, then why should any other prophet in the Bible be taken seriously? Peter followed Jesus personally, if Peter is telling slaves they MUST SUBMIT to cruel and harsh masters, Peter's words must be divinely inspired right??

Or are you calling one of the Bible's most important prophets a liar......? Make up your mind. And I agree many in the Roman Empire chose to be slaves for debt reasons but many DID NOT want to be slaves. So Peter's outrageous words of support for slavery IN THE NEW TESTAMENT shows a clear pattern of disgraceful behavior. If I had slaves and mistreated them, I would be considered a bad person. But the Bible god tells slaves to submit to harsh masters. No wonder Christian slave masters felt so cool and easy as they raped their slaves. And this is the god you brag about.

There are versions of the bible that highlight in red when god is speaking through a prophet find one. If you read the bible carefully you will be able to note when God is speaking through the prophet vs when the prophet is speaking for himself.

christians were in no positions to end slavery during the early days of the church slaves in the roman empire at that time could be freed until the age of 30 and even then only a certain amount of slaves were allowed to be made free.... that was roman law and christians were subject to roman law so really if peter had told the slaves to rise up or run away he would have been in violation of roman law.

Here we go again with the excuses, Peter wasn't against slavery either. He never condemns it, and the New Testament just gives a bunch of rules on it. I understand Christians couldn't end slavery in those days but the Bible god didn't exactly do much to end slavery either. It co-signed slaves OBEYING harsh masters, that's some bullshit. Instead of condemning slavery, it simply gives rules on it. How wonderful.

And if Peter acted against Roman law, why couldn't the Bible god protect him? The Bible god is weaker then Roman law now? That doesn't seem like a powerful god at all, it sounds like a very weak and helpless one.

The bible god as you call him does not always come down to end physically suffering and i've told you why a million times already.... sorry but GOD does not act the way you want him to act he acts according to the guide lines set down in his word. which means he's not always going to save your ass but he will always save your soul.

that goes for slaves peter and anybody else

No different then all the other gods out there I guess, probably weaker considering all the prophecies Jesus has yet to fulfill. A bunch of other gods claim they can save my soul too, considering how weak the Bible god seems now, I'd probably be better off giving one of them a chance.

You're right in that your god doesn't act the way I would expect a god to act. I don't expect good gods to support slavery and give rules for it. I don't expect a good god to make harmful parasites and viruses every day. I don't expect a god to be responsible for brain cancers and anything else harmful to people. These are not actions of a real god to me, a demon perhaps or maybe a twisted force of harsh matter that was created somehow, but not really a god.

The fact that the Bible god could admit to creating and literally supporting such horror every day shows me you are worshipping a demon, but that's fine because demon worship has been common throughout human history. Could you understand why someone may think of your god as a demon, based on how you describe it?

 

[kingblaze84]

An Israeli professor said a few years ago Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he "created" the Ten Commandments and spoke to "god" via "a burning bush"....
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4392361&page=1

Israeli Professor Says Moses Was 'High on Drugs' When He Heard Voice of God

Moses and the Israelites were on drugs, says Benny Shanon, an Israeli professor of cognitive philosophy.

Writing in the British Journal Time and Mind, he claims Moses was probably on psychedelic drugs when he received the Ten Commandments from God.

The assertions give a whole new meaning to Moses being "high" on Mount Sinai.

According to Shanon, a professor at Hebrew University, two naturally existing plants in the Sinai Peninsula have the same psychoactive components as ones found in the Amazon jungle and are well-known for their mind-altering capabilities. The drugs are usually combined in a drink called ayahuasca.



"As far as Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effects of narcotics," he told Israel Radio in an interview Tuesday.

The description in The Book of Exodus of thunder, lightening and a blaring trumpet, according to Shanon, are the classic imaginings of people under the influence of drugs.



--Makes a lot of sense. Talking to a burning bush is pretty ridiculous.

 

[kingblaze84]

I can respect that, I guess what confuses me is how some people claim to have relationships with god and then have all kinds of great tragedies, so it's a little weird to me. I have experienced many great blessings as well, and sometimes I do feel like something is looking out for me. But then I watch the news or see people I know go through some bad times that makes them lose their faith, and it makes me question what kind of "relationship" that really is.

I'm open to prayer to the universe or to whatever life force is out there on the rare occasion I do pray for someone, but "god" is still too broad a term to me. People can have relationships with multiple gods, and maybe that could double someone's luck lol

 

[kingblaze84]

I came upon this shocking poll today, less then 3 in 10 young American Whites aged 18-29 claim to be Christian now, drastically down from years past. Young Americans are definitely losing their faith in Christianity, any theories behind this....? Ironic how many Whites forced Christianity upon Blacks in America historically, and now even most young White Americans have turned away from it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/08/15/white-christian-america-is-dying/

White Christian America is dying

Nearly 7 in 10 American seniors (67 percent) are white Christians, compared to fewer than 3 in 10 (29 percent) young adults.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I can respect that, I guess what confuses me is how some people claim to have relationships with god and then have all kinds of great tragedies, so it's a little weird to me. I have experienced many great blessings as well, and sometimes I do feel like something is looking out for me. But then I watch the news or see people I know go through some bad times that makes them lose their faith, and it makes me question what kind of "relationship" that really is.

I'm open to prayer to the universe or to whatever life force is out there on the rare occasion I do pray for someone, but "god" is still too broad a term to me. People can have relationships with multiple gods, and maybe that could double someone's luck lol

Look at the story of Job, guy went through hell and he was full of faith. Yeah the story plays out like god and devil had this convo to stir shit up but jesus 'said' send one devil out and a bunch return(and it's kind of like the convo that plays out in our mind). It's the same when you're in a happy relationship, not all people like it and then they try and drive that wedge. How strong is the faith? Can it withstand extreme hardship? If not, how strong was the faith to begin with? Patience, understanding, humility, forgiveness, compassion is learned through hardship(or hopefully, sometimes you choose bitterness instead). And the more of the good stuff you learn and practice, the closer you are to god.

I try and stick with universe because the word god brings up too many things in people, however I do like to use the word god because god is broad and possibly impossible to describe.

 

[kingblaze84]

I can respect that, I guess what confuses me is how some people claim to have relationships with god and then have all kinds of great tragedies, so it's a little weird to me. I have experienced many great blessings as well, and sometimes I do feel like something is looking out for me. But then I watch the news or see people I know go through some bad times that makes them lose their faith, and it makes me question what kind of "relationship" that really is.

I'm open to prayer to the universe or to whatever life force is out there on the rare occasion I do pray for someone, but "god" is still too broad a term to me. People can have relationships with multiple gods, and maybe that could double someone's luck lol

Look at the story of Job, guy went through hell and he was full of faith. Yeah the story plays out like god and devil had this convo to stir shit up but jesus 'said' send one devil out and a bunch return(and it's kind of like the convo that plays out in our mind). It's the same when you're in a happy relationship, not all people like it and then they try and drive that wedge. How strong is the faith? Can it withstand extreme hardship? If not, how strong was the faith to begin with? Patience, understanding, humility, forgiveness, compassion is learned through hardship(or hopefully, sometimes you choose bitterness instead). And the more of the good stuff you learn and practice, the closer you are to god.

I try and stick with universe because the word god brings up too many things in people, however I do like to use the word god because god is broad and possibly impossible to describe.

Yeah the word god is very broad because so many people have different ideas on what god is and what it's even capable of, and many don't even believe in a god. Many believe in multiple gods, etc etc, so it's why I prefer any rare prayers I do going to the universe or whatever life force is out there.

I feel a more spiritual connection to the universe then to any specific god, as I can see the universe but I can't see any god or gods. The "relationship" some people claim to have with god is interesting to me, and even more interesting to me when it seems to be an abusive relationship in some ways, especially when one minute they praise "god" for their blessings but the next minute they may have a horrible case of diabetes or heart attack or worse as their kids stand by helplessly. So it makes me think to myself, what kind of relationship with "god" is that? But some people do claim to get closer to "god" during tough times, yet for some reason others get less religious or change religions as that happens.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

A relationship either is or it isn't. You have one or you don't, the type of relationship doesn't really matter, I mean it does matter because obviously an unhealthy one isn't that much good unless we are looking for the good in the bad or likewise the bad in the good. And as I said sometime before it's really hard to know or understand where or why someone is on the path where they are. It's weird to me to look behind me and wonder why all those people are behind me on the path, I just kick as many stones off the path as I can and hopefully it helps them catch up. Same with looking at the people ahead of me on the path, if I'm always wondering about them I'm likely to stumble. So while I take looks around my surroundings, I mostly focus on myself.

 

[kingblaze84]

A relationship either is or it isn't. You have one or you don't, the type of relationship doesn't really matter, I mean it does matter because obviously an unhealthy one isn't that much good unless we are looking for the good in the bad or likewise the bad in the good. And as I said sometime before it's really hard to know or understand where or why someone is on the path where they are. It's weird to me to look behind me and wonder why all those people are behind me on the path, I just kick as many stones off the path as I can and hopefully it helps them catch up. Same with looking at the people ahead of me on the path, if I'm always wondering about them I'm likely to stumble. So while I take looks around my surroundings, I mostly focus on myself.

Yeah I mostly focus on my self too, it's not like I'm constantly worrying about other people. Maybe I analyze things too much and I honestly could understand other people claiming to have relationships with god, but lately a few people I know have been trying to get me into having a "relationship" with their god, and yet these same people recently have come upon all kinds of weird problems, so it kind of makes me look at them sideways lol. But I still respect their "relationship".

Trust me, I'm definitely focused on my own path overall. I'm actually satisfied with the path I'm on now, but I made this thread partially because a few of my religious friends or relatives (including my mom recently, ugh) have tried to take me off it, and I wanted to understand how some people can justify unanswered prayers.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

A relationship either is or it isn't. You have one or you don't, the type of relationship doesn't really matter, I mean it does matter because obviously an unhealthy one isn't that much good unless we are looking for the good in the bad or likewise the bad in the good. And as I said sometime before it's really hard to know or understand where or why someone is on the path where they are. It's weird to me to look behind me and wonder why all those people are behind me on the path, I just kick as many stones off the path as I can and hopefully it helps them catch up. Same with looking at the people ahead of me on the path, if I'm always wondering about them I'm likely to stumble. So while I take looks around my surroundings, I mostly focus on myself.

Yeah I mostly focus on my self too, it's not like I'm constantly worrying about other people. Maybe I analyze things too much and I honestly could understand other people claiming to have relationships with god, but lately a few people I know have been trying to get me into having a "relationship" with their god, and yet these same people recently have come upon all kinds of weird problems, so it kind of makes me look at them sideways lol. But I still respect their "relationship".

Trust me, I'm definitely focused on my own path overall. I'm actually satisfied with the path I'm on now, but I made this thread partially because a few of my religious friends or relatives (including my mom recently, ugh) have tried to take me off it, and I wanted to understand how some people can justify unanswered prayers.

Maybe they are jealous of your path? If yours seems to be doing you so well and theirs isn't, ya never know. People like to see you do good, but not better than them, usually. I would assume they justify it the same we all justify things, we just keep coming up with reasons until the nuisance goes away lol.