To those who believe in the power of prayer, does god or the heavens keep a waiting list?

[zzombie]

good prayer serves as a way to align yourself with the will of god not to try and get what your will desires.

you cannot just pray like your are begging a genie for favors and expect to always get what you want.

the reason I believe in the power of prayer is because it works I have seen it work and experienced it working for me

If you really want to hear from god you have to have a relationship with him

I myself have felt that my prayers have been answered at times, whether it was luck or not, my wishes have come true many times.

As far as building a relationship with god, that's the weird part, with which god? It's why when I do pray, which is rare, I pray to the universe or the heavens. I can't think of any specific god I should be praying to because while I may sense a higher power, I can't put a face to it. I'm still not 100% convinced the higher powers that may be out there are truly gods, but I'm still open to gods or a god existing.

Any body can have there prayers answered because what they want maybe what god is willing to allow.

WHICH god??? that you have to learn for yourself and find your faith yourself..... if you ask me the true god is the god of Abraham. higher powers??? God is the highest power, there may be lower powers like demons so maybe they can grant your wishes but that doesn't mean they are gods or that your prayer was answered by god

Interesting, so you believe other higher powers out there aside from your god can possibly answer prayers.

Maybe your god is the "highest" power (doubtful of course), but if other forces out there can answer prayers, I'm sure many would welcome that. My friend's daughter is feeling worse from the asthma today and is now in the hospital smh, I'm sure she would welcome help from any source now.

No. there cannot be a hierarchy of gods, there can only be one true GOD because a god has to be supremely powerful in his capacity. In other words a god has to be sovereign and all powerful if there are multiple gods then that means neither are sovereign and all powerful.

I believe in other spiritual forces but they are GODS.... THEY DO have power but they are not all powerful so maybe a demon may answer a prayer but keep in mind it's a demon so ultimately nothing positive is going to come out from it's intervention in your life.... so yeah a demon might give you want you want FOR NOW BUT can you then deal with the aftermath of demonic forces being in your life. These things don't just go away because you ask them

As far as I know, she hasn't prayed to any demons and I know I haven't, but I'll be honest and say I prayed to anyone who would listen lol......

I didn't pray to any single god, she herself prayed to Jesus and does the whole church thing, but her luck hasn't been good lately. If she did pray to a demon though, what's the worst that could happen? If her child ended up healthy and happy, then maybe it would be worth it.

The child may not get better the child may die, perhaps god wants the mother to learn from that experience... I don't know. As for you I suggest that you don't ever just pray to anything that will answer you... what's the worst than can happen to you for praying to demons??? possession or torment for you and the people you love until you either die or wish you would die.

 

[WYRM]

good prayer serves as a way to align yourself with the will of god not to try and get what your will desires.

you cannot just pray like your are begging a genie for favors and expect to always get what you want.

the reason I believe in the power of prayer is because it works I have seen it work and experienced it working for me

If you really want to hear from god you have to have a relationship with him

Wow, I never thought I'd agree with you but you nailed it without attaching dogma.

 

[Olorun22]

Black people has been praying since slavery and what do we have to show for it?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

God only answers prayers asking for understanding.

When you say god answers prayers for understanding, do you mean for an understanding of our life in general, or an understanding of the situation we may be praying on?

Any understanding. However the answer may not come instantaneously and you have to be open to where it might come from.

 

[kingblaze84]

good prayer serves as a way to align yourself with the will of god not to try and get what your will desires.

you cannot just pray like your are begging a genie for favors and expect to always get what you want.

the reason I believe in the power of prayer is because it works I have seen it work and experienced it working for me

If you really want to hear from god you have to have a relationship with him

I myself have felt that my prayers have been answered at times, whether it was luck or not, my wishes have come true many times.

As far as building a relationship with god, that's the weird part, with which god? It's why when I do pray, which is rare, I pray to the universe or the heavens. I can't think of any specific god I should be praying to because while I may sense a higher power, I can't put a face to it. I'm still not 100% convinced the higher powers that may be out there are truly gods, but I'm still open to gods or a god existing.

Any body can have there prayers answered because what they want maybe what god is willing to allow.

WHICH god??? that you have to learn for yourself and find your faith yourself..... if you ask me the true god is the god of Abraham. higher powers??? God is the highest power, there may be lower powers like demons so maybe they can grant your wishes but that doesn't mean they are gods or that your prayer was answered by god

Interesting, so you believe other higher powers out there aside from your god can possibly answer prayers.

Maybe your god is the "highest" power (doubtful of course), but if other forces out there can answer prayers, I'm sure many would welcome that. My friend's daughter is feeling worse from the asthma today and is now in the hospital smh, I'm sure she would welcome help from any source now.

No. there cannot be a hierarchy of gods, there can only be one true GOD because a god has to be supremely powerful in his capacity. In other words a god has to be sovereign and all powerful if there are multiple gods then that means neither are sovereign and all powerful.

I believe in other spiritual forces but they are GODS.... THEY DO have power but they are not all powerful so maybe a demon may answer a prayer but keep in mind it's a demon so ultimately nothing positive is going to come out from it's intervention in your life.... so yeah a demon might give you want you want FOR NOW BUT can you then deal with the aftermath of demonic forces being in your life. These things don't just go away because you ask them

As far as I know, she hasn't prayed to any demons and I know I haven't, but I'll be honest and say I prayed to anyone who would listen lol......

I didn't pray to any single god, she herself prayed to Jesus and does the whole church thing, but her luck hasn't been good lately. If she did pray to a demon though, what's the worst that could happen? If her child ended up healthy and happy, then maybe it would be worth it.

The child may not get better the child may die, perhaps god wants the mother to learn from that experience... I don't know. As for you I suggest that you don't ever just pray to anything that will answer you... what's the worst than can happen to you for praying to demons??? possession or torment for you and the people you love until you either die or wish you would die.

What can a parent really learn from the loss of a child though, some people never get over the death of a child. Not sure what there is to learn from that, she's losing her faith actually dealing with all this shit.

As far as praying to anyone who will listen, help from any source can't be that bad, have you known people who have been "possessed" by demons? I've heard of that kind of thing but never took it seriously, seems like something that only happens in the movies. I rarely pray but each time I have prayed since turning non-religious, I've never been possessed by anything and my family for the most part is doing fine. Some people are Christian, religious and face torment all the time. Seems you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[kingblaze84]

God only answers prayers asking for understanding.

When you say god answers prayers for understanding, do you mean for an understanding of our life in general, or an understanding of the situation we may be praying on?

Any understanding. However the answer may not come instantaneously and you have to be open to where it might come from.

Aight that's cool, understanding our lives on a deeper level is always helpful but my friend already understands why her daughter is so sick, asthma lol.....there's not much else for her to understand, her daughter now needs an even more expensive machine to help her breath now. It's gonna be a rough summer for her, her lungs don't look good in X-Rays.....

As far as me, knowledge (true knowledge) from any source is definitely welcome, don't care where it comes from, as long as it benefits me or those around me in some way. Meditating has worked great for me in that regard. Prayer though is the big question mark, not sure if I've ever got understanding from that.

 

[kingblaze84]

Black people has been praying since slavery and what do we have to show for it?

Hmmm great point......not even just slavery, dealing with oppressors on a worldwide level. I remember praying on that in my Christian days, asking and hoping "god" would let me know why it allowed all that bullshit to happen. Never got an answer lol

 

[zzombie]

good prayer serves as a way to align yourself with the will of god not to try and get what your will desires.

you cannot just pray like your are begging a genie for favors and expect to always get what you want.

the reason I believe in the power of prayer is because it works I have seen it work and experienced it working for me

If you really want to hear from god you have to have a relationship with him

I myself have felt that my prayers have been answered at times, whether it was luck or not, my wishes have come true many times.

As far as building a relationship with god, that's the weird part, with which god? It's why when I do pray, which is rare, I pray to the universe or the heavens. I can't think of any specific god I should be praying to because while I may sense a higher power, I can't put a face to it. I'm still not 100% convinced the higher powers that may be out there are truly gods, but I'm still open to gods or a god existing.

Any body can have there prayers answered because what they want maybe what god is willing to allow.

WHICH god??? that you have to learn for yourself and find your faith yourself..... if you ask me the true god is the god of Abraham. higher powers??? God is the highest power, there may be lower powers like demons so maybe they can grant your wishes but that doesn't mean they are gods or that your prayer was answered by god

Interesting, so you believe other higher powers out there aside from your god can possibly answer prayers.

Maybe your god is the "highest" power (doubtful of course), but if other forces out there can answer prayers, I'm sure many would welcome that. My friend's daughter is feeling worse from the asthma today and is now in the hospital smh, I'm sure she would welcome help from any source now.

No. there cannot be a hierarchy of gods, there can only be one true GOD because a god has to be supremely powerful in his capacity. In other words a god has to be sovereign and all powerful if there are multiple gods then that means neither are sovereign and all powerful.

I believe in other spiritual forces but they are GODS.... THEY DO have power but they are not all powerful so maybe a demon may answer a prayer but keep in mind it's a demon so ultimately nothing positive is going to come out from it's intervention in your life.... so yeah a demon might give you want you want FOR NOW BUT can you then deal with the aftermath of demonic forces being in your life. These things don't just go away because you ask them

As far as I know, she hasn't prayed to any demons and I know I haven't, but I'll be honest and say I prayed to anyone who would listen lol......

I didn't pray to any single god, she herself prayed to Jesus and does the whole church thing, but her luck hasn't been good lately. If she did pray to a demon though, what's the worst that could happen? If her child ended up healthy and happy, then maybe it would be worth it.

The child may not get better the child may die, perhaps god wants the mother to learn from that experience... I don't know. As for you I suggest that you don't ever just pray to anything that will answer you... what's the worst than can happen to you for praying to demons??? possession or torment for you and the people you love until you either die or wish you would die.

What can a parent really learn from the loss of a child though, some people never get over the death of a child. Not sure what there is to learn from that, she's losing her faith actually dealing with all this shit.

As far as praying to anyone who will listen, help from any source can't be that bad, have you known people who have been "possessed" by demons? I've heard of that kind of thing but never took it seriously, seems like something that only happens in the movies. I rarely pray but each time I have prayed since turning non-religious, I've never been possessed by anything and my family for the most part is doing fine. Some people are Christian, religious and face torment all the time. Seems you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

this is what I believe

what can you learn from losing your child??? for one thing you can learn that nothing you expect in life nothing that you hope for is promised and that you should be glad for what you have now because it can vanish tomorrow. You can learn how to deal with pain, death and suffering. People often lose their faith when they suffer and then come back to it even stronger, some never lose faith and the pain only makes their faith stronger.

it all depends on the individual and how god is trying to guide their lives.

I've seen people possessed and it's not good, your conception of things is not how it really works you don't just do something and automatically something happens, remember all these spiritual forces have minds of their own so it's not like you can always predict what they will do. Aren't you Haitian??? doesn't your family know anything about voodoo and possession?? For all spirits you have to call to them and they may not come to you or answer you for there own reasons. God however will always answer you but if you have no relationship with him you won't hear or understand the answers.

I don't think demons would feel the need to communicate with non-religious people because what would be the point those people already don't have much connection to god anyway and are doomed anyway

 

[zzombie]

Black people has been praying since slavery and what do we have to show for it?

Hmmm great point......not even just slavery, dealing with oppressors on a worldwide level. I remember praying on that in my Christian days, asking and hoping "god" would let me know why it allowed all that bullshit to happen. Never got an answer lol

study some books and philosophies on theodicy and you will get your answer

 

[kingblaze84]

good prayer serves as a way to align yourself with the will of god not to try and get what your will desires.

you cannot just pray like your are begging a genie for favors and expect to always get what you want.

the reason I believe in the power of prayer is because it works I have seen it work and experienced it working for me

If you really want to hear from god you have to have a relationship with him

I myself have felt that my prayers have been answered at times, whether it was luck or not, my wishes have come true many times.

As far as building a relationship with god, that's the weird part, with which god? It's why when I do pray, which is rare, I pray to the universe or the heavens. I can't think of any specific god I should be praying to because while I may sense a higher power, I can't put a face to it. I'm still not 100% convinced the higher powers that may be out there are truly gods, but I'm still open to gods or a god existing.

Any body can have there prayers answered because what they want maybe what god is willing to allow.

WHICH god??? that you have to learn for yourself and find your faith yourself..... if you ask me the true god is the god of Abraham. higher powers??? God is the highest power, there may be lower powers like demons so maybe they can grant your wishes but that doesn't mean they are gods or that your prayer was answered by god

Interesting, so you believe other higher powers out there aside from your god can possibly answer prayers.

Maybe your god is the "highest" power (doubtful of course), but if other forces out there can answer prayers, I'm sure many would welcome that. My friend's daughter is feeling worse from the asthma today and is now in the hospital smh, I'm sure she would welcome help from any source now.

No. there cannot be a hierarchy of gods, there can only be one true GOD because a god has to be supremely powerful in his capacity. In other words a god has to be sovereign and all powerful if there are multiple gods then that means neither are sovereign and all powerful.

I believe in other spiritual forces but they are GODS.... THEY DO have power but they are not all powerful so maybe a demon may answer a prayer but keep in mind it's a demon so ultimately nothing positive is going to come out from it's intervention in your life.... so yeah a demon might give you want you want FOR NOW BUT can you then deal with the aftermath of demonic forces being in your life. These things don't just go away because you ask them

As far as I know, she hasn't prayed to any demons and I know I haven't, but I'll be honest and say I prayed to anyone who would listen lol......

I didn't pray to any single god, she herself prayed to Jesus and does the whole church thing, but her luck hasn't been good lately. If she did pray to a demon though, what's the worst that could happen? If her child ended up healthy and happy, then maybe it would be worth it.

The child may not get better the child may die, perhaps god wants the mother to learn from that experience... I don't know. As for you I suggest that you don't ever just pray to anything that will answer you... what's the worst than can happen to you for praying to demons??? possession or torment for you and the people you love until you either die or wish you would die.

What can a parent really learn from the loss of a child though, some people never get over the death of a child. Not sure what there is to learn from that, she's losing her faith actually dealing with all this shit.

As far as praying to anyone who will listen, help from any source can't be that bad, have you known people who have been "possessed" by demons? I've heard of that kind of thing but never took it seriously, seems like something that only happens in the movies. I rarely pray but each time I have prayed since turning non-religious, I've never been possessed by anything and my family for the most part is doing fine. Some people are Christian, religious and face torment all the time. Seems you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

this is what I believe

what can you learn from losing your child??? for one thing you can learn that nothing you expect in life nothing that you hope for is promised and that you should be glad for what you have now because it can vanish tomorrow. You can learn how to deal with pain, death and suffering. People often lose their faith when they suffer and then come back to it even stronger, some never lose faith and the pain only makes their faith stronger.

it all depends on the individual and how god is trying to guide their lives.

I've seen people possessed and it's not good, your conception of things is not how it really works you don't just do something and automatically something happens, remember all these spiritual forces have minds of their own so it's not like you can always predict what they will do. Aren't you Haitian??? doesn't your family know anything about voodoo and possession?? For all spirits you have to call to them and they may not come to you or answer you for there own reasons. God however will always answer you but if you have no relationship with him you won't hear or understand the answers.

I don't think demons would feel the need to communicate with non-religious people because what would be the point those people already don't have much connection to god anyway and are doomed anyway

Well it is true that nothing is promised, and one of the few good things about the loss of someone close is that it does make you appreciate what you have. Time will tell how her faith is affected but I more or less have the Buddhist approach when it comes to loss. Buddhist philosophy teaches attachment causes suffering and it's actually a part of the reason I don't want kids (among other reasons).

I'm half Haitian, my father is Panamanian with Jamaican heritage. But on the Haitian side of my family, people are either non-religious or Christian, but they have known people who were into voodoo, none were part of my family though (as far as I know). So I don't have much first hand knowledge of demon possession because it still seems like something from a movie or horror story. I'm skeptical about demon possession, some people might have medical problems that seems like possession but really isn't. But than again, I do believe spirits are a possibility, so anything is possible.

If being non-religious means not dealing with evil demons, good! And you're just assuming non-religious people are doomed, for all you know you will be the one whose damned.

 

[kingblaze84]

Black people has been praying since slavery and what do we have to show for it?

Hmmm great point......not even just slavery, dealing with oppressors on a worldwide level. I remember praying on that in my Christian days, asking and hoping "god" would let me know why it allowed all that bullshit to happen. Never got an answer lol

study some books and philosophies on theodicy and you will get your answer

I read a few of those, the answers are not exactly satisfying. Doesn't give the full explanation, at least one that makes sense to me.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

God only answers prayers asking for understanding.

When you say god answers prayers for understanding, do you mean for an understanding of our life in general, or an understanding of the situation we may be praying on?

Any understanding. However the answer may not come instantaneously and you have to be open to where it might come from.

Aight that's cool, understanding our lives on a deeper level is always helpful but my friend already understands why her daughter is so sick, asthma lol.....there's not much else for her to understand, her daughter now needs an even more expensive machine to help her breath now. It's gonna be a rough summer for her, her lungs don't look good in X-Rays.....

As far as me, knowledge (true knowledge) from any source is definitely welcome, don't care where it comes from, as long as it benefits me or those around me in some way. Meditating has worked great for me in that regard. Prayer though is the big question mark, not sure if I've ever got understanding from that.

God only answers prayers asking for understanding.

When you say god answers prayers for understanding, do you mean for an understanding of our life in general, or an understanding of the situation we may be praying on?

Any understanding. However the answer may not come instantaneously and you have to be open to where it might come from.

Aight that's cool, understanding our lives on a deeper level is always helpful but my friend already understands why her daughter is so sick, asthma lol.....there's not much else for her to understand, her daughter now needs an even more expensive machine to help her breath now. It's gonna be a rough summer for her, her lungs don't look good in X-Rays.....

As far as me, knowledge (true knowledge) from any source is definitely welcome, don't care where it comes from, as long as it benefits me or those around me in some way. Meditating has worked great for me in that regard. Prayer though is the big question mark, not sure if I've ever got understanding from that.

It's hard and ignorant to say what anyone is suppose to learn from anything. The understanding to her plight may not come for years, who knows, it's hard to say when/why/how/all that. It's all personal. But from my experience, that is the only prayers god answers. Where that understanding takes someone/which doors it opens etc appears to be infinite in possibilities though. And all things can be tied back to desiring understanding imo or not, sometimes we stay ignorant, willfully or not.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I go by what the Bible says and this is what the Bible says about the prayers of those who don't believe in the true and living God because they refuse to believe His word:

If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable. Proverbs 28:9



"We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will." John 9:31

Both the Old and the New testament confirms that God does not hear the prayers of those who do not believe in Him. Now you can try to finagle and theologize the scriptures all you want, but I go with what's in black and white. Amen.

Now does God show grace and give mercy to the unrighteous? Of course He does. The sun shines on the just and the unjust. But don't believe for one second that your prayers are being answered by God. You aren't even calling on His name! You are going against the grain of everything outlined in the scriptures.

You have to call upon the Father asking all things in Jesus name! That is how you pray! But first things first, you must acknowledge that He exists! For without faith it is impossible to please God! It's only when you come to Him by faith will He then reward you as you diligently seek Him. Amen.

Why would I call Jesus' name as I pray, my friend has gone to church and prayed for her daughter for a long time now, and meanwhile, her daughter is now in even worse condition as of today.

So if her praying to Jesus isn't bringing much luck, then praying to the universe in general can't be any worse. Calling on "the father" has ironically gotten her daughter in worse and worse condition lol, as a non-religious person, the irony has been breathtaking to me.

God does what God does. Whatever pleases Him that is what He is going to do. Amen.

If He wills for the daughter to be divinely healed, He will do it.

if He wills for the daughter to be supremely healed (meaning taking her in death), He will do that.

If He wills for the daughter to be healed by natural means over the course of time, He will do that.

Whatever the outcome of that particular situation is, God will get the glory because He is working out a plan that will benefit the good of everyone involved, including us.

@zombie has been breaking it down. So you can continue your discussion with him. Amen.

 

[b'mer...]

To me, things are either going to happen or their not.

Or sometimes, even though someone may be in the "favor" of their lord, the answer can simply be NO.

 

[kingblaze84]

God only answers prayers asking for understanding.

When you say god answers prayers for understanding, do you mean for an understanding of our life in general, or an understanding of the situation we may be praying on?

Any understanding. However the answer may not come instantaneously and you have to be open to where it might come from.

Aight that's cool, understanding our lives on a deeper level is always helpful but my friend already understands why her daughter is so sick, asthma lol.....there's not much else for her to understand, her daughter now needs an even more expensive machine to help her breath now. It's gonna be a rough summer for her, her lungs don't look good in X-Rays.....

As far as me, knowledge (true knowledge) from any source is definitely welcome, don't care where it comes from, as long as it benefits me or those around me in some way. Meditating has worked great for me in that regard. Prayer though is the big question mark, not sure if I've ever got understanding from that.

God only answers prayers asking for understanding.

When you say god answers prayers for understanding, do you mean for an understanding of our life in general, or an understanding of the situation we may be praying on?

Any understanding. However the answer may not come instantaneously and you have to be open to where it might come from.

Aight that's cool, understanding our lives on a deeper level is always helpful but my friend already understands why her daughter is so sick, asthma lol.....there's not much else for her to understand, her daughter now needs an even more expensive machine to help her breath now. It's gonna be a rough summer for her, her lungs don't look good in X-Rays.....

As far as me, knowledge (true knowledge) from any source is definitely welcome, don't care where it comes from, as long as it benefits me or those around me in some way. Meditating has worked great for me in that regard. Prayer though is the big question mark, not sure if I've ever got understanding from that.

It's hard and ignorant to say what anyone is suppose to learn from anything. The understanding to her plight may not come for years, who knows, it's hard to say when/why/how/all that. It's all personal. But from my experience, that is the only prayers god answers. Where that understanding takes someone/which doors it opens etc appears to be infinite in possibilities though. And all things can be tied back to desiring understanding imo or not, sometimes we stay ignorant, willfully or not.

Interesting way of looking at it.

 

[kingblaze84]

I go by what the Bible says and this is what the Bible says about the prayers of those who don't believe in the true and living God because they refuse to believe His word:

If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable. Proverbs 28:9



"We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will." John 9:31

Both the Old and the New testament confirms that God does not hear the prayers of those who do not believe in Him. Now you can try to finagle and theologize the scriptures all you want, but I go with what's in black and white. Amen.

Now does God show grace and give mercy to the unrighteous? Of course He does. The sun shines on the just and the unjust. But don't believe for one second that your prayers are being answered by God. You aren't even calling on His name! You are going against the grain of everything outlined in the scriptures.

You have to call upon the Father asking all things in Jesus name! That is how you pray! But first things first, you must acknowledge that He exists! For without faith it is impossible to please God! It's only when you come to Him by faith will He then reward you as you diligently seek Him. Amen.

Why would I call Jesus' name as I pray, my friend has gone to church and prayed for her daughter for a long time now, and meanwhile, her daughter is now in even worse condition as of today.

So if her praying to Jesus isn't bringing much luck, then praying to the universe in general can't be any worse. Calling on "the father" has ironically gotten her daughter in worse and worse condition lol, as a non-religious person, the irony has been breathtaking to me.

God does what God does. Whatever pleases Him that is what He is going to do. Amen.

If He wills for the daughter to be divinely healed, He will do it.

if He wills for the daughter to be supremely healed (meaning taking her in death), He will do that.

If He wills for the daughter to be healed by natural means over the course of time, He will do that.

Whatever the outcome of that particular situation is, God will get the glory because He is working out a plan that will benefit the good of everyone involved, including us.

@zombie has been breaking it down. So you can continue your discussion with him. Amen.

So when really bad things happen to people, like really bad things, you believe your god always wills those things to purposely happen? Doesn't that mean your god is, um, evil? What would be the purpose of praying to a god such as yours, it's going to will and purposely allow fucked up shit anyway.

 

[kingblaze84]

To me, things are either going to happen or their not.

Or sometimes, even though someone may be in the "favor" of their lord, the answer can simply be NO.

Yeah some things are gonna happen one way or the other. Prayer isn't gonna make a kid born with one arm grow another one.

But it might make someone feel mentally better about their situation.

 

[zzombie]

I go by what the Bible says and this is what the Bible says about the prayers of those who don't believe in the true and living God because they refuse to believe His word:

If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable. Proverbs 28:9



"We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will." John 9:31

Both the Old and the New testament confirms that God does not hear the prayers of those who do not believe in Him. Now you can try to finagle and theologize the scriptures all you want, but I go with what's in black and white. Amen.

Now does God show grace and give mercy to the unrighteous? Of course He does. The sun shines on the just and the unjust. But don't believe for one second that your prayers are being answered by God. You aren't even calling on His name! You are going against the grain of everything outlined in the scriptures.

You have to call upon the Father asking all things in Jesus name! That is how you pray! But first things first, you must acknowledge that He exists! For without faith it is impossible to please God! It's only when you come to Him by faith will He then reward you as you diligently seek Him. Amen.

Why would I call Jesus' name as I pray, my friend has gone to church and prayed for her daughter for a long time now, and meanwhile, her daughter is now in even worse condition as of today.

So if her praying to Jesus isn't bringing much luck, then praying to the universe in general can't be any worse. Calling on "the father" has ironically gotten her daughter in worse and worse condition lol, as a non-religious person, the irony has been breathtaking to me.

God does what God does. Whatever pleases Him that is what He is going to do. Amen.

If He wills for the daughter to be divinely healed, He will do it.

if He wills for the daughter to be supremely healed (meaning taking her in death), He will do that.

If He wills for the daughter to be healed by natural means over the course of time, He will do that.

Whatever the outcome of that particular situation is, God will get the glory because He is working out a plan that will benefit the good of everyone involved, including us.

@zombie has been breaking it down. So you can continue your discussion with him. Amen.

So when really bad things happen to people, like really bad things, you believe your god always wills those things to purposely happen? Doesn't that mean your god is, um, evil? What would be the purpose of praying to a god such as yours, it's going to will and purposely allow fucked up shit anyway.

What do you mean by bad things??? god does not will human on human violations of his word. Also arbitrarily stopping the will of people to do whatever they wish is evil so god won't stop human on human violence so easily or stop us from doing anything we want.

FROM my reading and understanding god only really steps into the universe/human affairs in a major way to stop things when his religion/people are threatened with being removed from the earth. Which is why he protected israel so much during the O.T and allowed them to do certain things and why later on despite all the odds Christianity survived roman persecution. Why??? because his religion, faith in his word is the only way to redeem your soul and it's the only way you can truly be totally spiritually protected. Because remember your life on earth is temporary, it's a small thing compared to the glory of an eternal existence that we my have.

 

[the dukester]

Yeah nigga, just like Santa Claus.

 

[kingblaze84]

I go by what the Bible says and this is what the Bible says about the prayers of those who don't believe in the true and living God because they refuse to believe His word:

If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable. Proverbs 28:9



"We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will." John 9:31

Both the Old and the New testament confirms that God does not hear the prayers of those who do not believe in Him. Now you can try to finagle and theologize the scriptures all you want, but I go with what's in black and white. Amen.

Now does God show grace and give mercy to the unrighteous? Of course He does. The sun shines on the just and the unjust. But don't believe for one second that your prayers are being answered by God. You aren't even calling on His name! You are going against the grain of everything outlined in the scriptures.

You have to call upon the Father asking all things in Jesus name! That is how you pray! But first things first, you must acknowledge that He exists! For without faith it is impossible to please God! It's only when you come to Him by faith will He then reward you as you diligently seek Him. Amen.

Why would I call Jesus' name as I pray, my friend has gone to church and prayed for her daughter for a long time now, and meanwhile, her daughter is now in even worse condition as of today.

So if her praying to Jesus isn't bringing much luck, then praying to the universe in general can't be any worse. Calling on "the father" has ironically gotten her daughter in worse and worse condition lol, as a non-religious person, the irony has been breathtaking to me.

God does what God does. Whatever pleases Him that is what He is going to do. Amen.

If He wills for the daughter to be divinely healed, He will do it.

if He wills for the daughter to be supremely healed (meaning taking her in death), He will do that.

If He wills for the daughter to be healed by natural means over the course of time, He will do that.

Whatever the outcome of that particular situation is, God will get the glory because He is working out a plan that will benefit the good of everyone involved, including us.

@zombie has been breaking it down. So you can continue your discussion with him. Amen.

So when really bad things happen to people, like really bad things, you believe your god always wills those things to purposely happen? Doesn't that mean your god is, um, evil? What would be the purpose of praying to a god such as yours, it's going to will and purposely allow fucked up shit anyway.

What do you mean by bad things??? god does not will human on human violations of his word. Also arbitrarily stopping the will of people to do whatever they wish is evil so god won't stop human on human violence so easily or stop us from doing anything we want.

FROM my reading and understanding god only really steps into the universe/human affairs in a major way to stop things when his religion/people are threatened with being removed from the earth. Which is why he protected israel so much during the O.T and allowed them to do certain things and why later on despite all the odds Christianity survived roman persecution. Why??? because his religion, faith in his word is the only way to redeem your soul and it's the only way you can truly be totally spiritually protected. Because remember your life on earth is temporary, it's a small thing compared to the glory of an eternal existence that we my have.

By bad things, I mean anything naturally bad in general, DOU said god would get the glory no matter what happens to the little girl. So that means if her condition gets way worse and if she suffers even more then she is now, god basically is making that happen. So it seems like the god DOU worships or believes in is fucked up because some kids have conditions that are extremely painful and according to DOU god wants all that to happen lol.....sounds evil to me but whatever......

And you said god steps into human affairs when his religion or people are threatened with being removed from the earth? Many Jews during the Holocaust prayed like crazy for protection but they didn't see any divine intervention. Christianity did survive Roman persecution but there are religions just as old and older then that. And once again you're assuming the ONLY way you can be spiritually protected is by Christianity, that sounds very arrogant.