To those who believe in a kind and merciful god....why is the world so hostile to life?

[zzombie]

@zombie

The Jews were 100% correct to point out that Jesus failed to fulfill the major prophecies, prophecies that IRONICALLY would have boosted the credibility of the Bible god. Why doesn't Jesus want to boost the credibility of the Bible, after more then 2,000 years? Is he afraid that he will disappoint 70% or more of the world again? If not, then he's not the real savior.

No the jews were wrong because they were being led at the time by phariseees and sadducess who did not understand the torah or the scriptures they had and today jews follow the descendents of the pharisees and their main source of authority is not even the torah it's the talmud, they study that shit just as much as the torah if not more.

To those who know god he does not need a credibility test because we already know him GOD is not concerned with entertaining you or doing things on your schedule, he does not care if the world is disappointed or not. the pride and arrogance on you is the spirit of satan.

 

[zzombie]

I also have proof he won't come back to Earth, the proof is from the Bible itself. But I don't want to break any hearts here. The passages I can easily post here would embarrass a few people, and I'll choose to be nice for now.

you will only embarrass yourself but you are too ignorant to know any better

 

[kingblaze84]

@The_Jackal

Actually, you need to re-read the Bible, the real savior according to the Old Testament prophecies would make Israel have true peace with its neighbors and world peace would be the result, along with the world uniting under one god. Ex-Christians almost always know the Bible better then Christians do.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page26.htm

The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come. This term can cause some confusion, because it is also used to refer to a spiritual afterlife. In English, we commonly use the term "messianic age" to refer specifically to the time of the messiah.

Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people. (Isaiah 2:4) Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9).



In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.”

 

[zzombie]

@The_Jackal

Actually, you need to re-read the Bible, the real savior according to the Old Testament prophecies would make Israel have true peace with its neighbors and world peace would be the result, along with the world uniting under one god. Ex-Christians almost always know the Bible better then Christians do.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page26.htm

The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come. This term can cause some confusion, because it is also used to refer to a spiritual afterlife. In English, we commonly use the term "messianic age" to refer specifically to the time of the messiah.

Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people. (Isaiah 2:4) Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9).



In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.”

those scriptures are referring to the time when jesus returns and rules not the time when he first comes to earth redeem the souls of men but when he comes back to redeem the earth

 

[kingblaze84]

I also have proof he won't come back to Earth, the proof is from the Bible itself. But I don't want to break any hearts here. The passages I can easily post here would embarrass a few people, and I'll choose to be nice for now.

you will only embarrass yourself but you are too ignorant to know any better

The passages I can bring up were one of the main reasons church leaders in the past did not want the Bible read by the masses. They would know for themselves Jesus wasn't gonna come back, not in the way he said he would. The passages basically say Jesus would bring the kingdom of god to Earth about 2,000 years ago in his followers' lifetime and it never happened, unless flesh eating bacteria, tornadoes, volcanoes and hostile parasites exist in the kingdom of god. Doesn't sound like much of a kingdom.

 

[zzombie]

jesus basically told the jews that they got things all wrong and that they don't understand

 

[kingblaze84]

@The_Jackal

Actually, you need to re-read the Bible, the real savior according to the Old Testament prophecies would make Israel have true peace with its neighbors and world peace would be the result, along with the world uniting under one god. Ex-Christians almost always know the Bible better then Christians do.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page26.htm

The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come. This term can cause some confusion, because it is also used to refer to a spiritual afterlife. In English, we commonly use the term "messianic age" to refer specifically to the time of the messiah.

Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people. (Isaiah 2:4) Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9).



In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.”

those scriptures are referring to the time when jesus returns and rules not the time when he first comes to earth redeem the souls of men but when he comes back to redeem the earth

Oh give me a break man. It's been 2,000 damn years already.

 

[kingblaze84]

jesus basically told the jews that they got things all wrong and that they don't understand

And meanwhile, Jesus hasn't made 70% of the world understand either. I don't even know how you believe this stuff.

 

[zzombie]

I also have proof he won't come back to Earth, the proof is from the Bible itself. But I don't want to break any hearts here. The passages I can easily post here would embarrass a few people, and I'll choose to be nice for now.

you will only embarrass yourself but you are too ignorant to know any better

The passages I can bring up were one of the main reasons church leaders in the past did not want the Bible read by the masses. They would know for themselves Jesus wasn't gonna come back, not in the way he said he would. The passages basically say Jesus would bring the kingdom of god to Earth about 2,000 years ago in his followers' lifetime and it never happened, unless flesh eating bacteria, tornadoes, volcanoes and hostile parasites exist in the kingdom of god. Doesn't sound like much of a kingdom.

nah that's not the main reason why the catholics did not want people reading the bible, they wanted control of the people that's the main reason why.

for the bold please tell me you are not referring to matt 24:34 , mark 13:30 , luke 21:32

 

[zzombie]

@The_Jackal

Actually, you need to re-read the Bible, the real savior according to the Old Testament prophecies would make Israel have true peace with its neighbors and world peace would be the result, along with the world uniting under one god. Ex-Christians almost always know the Bible better then Christians do.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page26.htm

The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come. This term can cause some confusion, because it is also used to refer to a spiritual afterlife. In English, we commonly use the term "messianic age" to refer specifically to the time of the messiah.

Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people. (Isaiah 2:4) Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9).



In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.”

those scriptures are referring to the time when jesus returns and rules not the time when he first comes to earth redeem the souls of men but when he comes back to redeem the earth

Oh give me a break man. It's been 2,000 damn years already.

how many years was it before he came the first time??? how many years between the generations of abraham and jesus??? but he did come

 

[zzombie]

jesus basically told the jews that they got things all wrong and that they don't understand

And meanwhile, Jesus hasn't made 70% of the world understand either. I don't even know how you believe this stuff.

i don't know how you believe the nonsense you do

 

[kingblaze84]

I also have proof he won't come back to Earth, the proof is from the Bible itself. But I don't want to break any hearts here. The passages I can easily post here would embarrass a few people, and I'll choose to be nice for now.

you will only embarrass yourself but you are too ignorant to know any better

The passages I can bring up were one of the main reasons church leaders in the past did not want the Bible read by the masses. They would know for themselves Jesus wasn't gonna come back, not in the way he said he would. The passages basically say Jesus would bring the kingdom of god to Earth about 2,000 years ago in his followers' lifetime and it never happened, unless flesh eating bacteria, tornadoes, volcanoes and hostile parasites exist in the kingdom of god. Doesn't sound like much of a kingdom.

nah that's not the main reason why the catholics did not want people reading the bible, they wanted control of the people that's the main reason why.

for the bold please tell me you are not referring to matt 24:34 , mark 13:30 , luke 21:32

Mark chapter 13 is basically proof Jesus exaggerated his abilities, and you know this deep down but believing gives you hope and whatever for the world or afterlife. Jesus told his own followers they would NOT DIE BEFORE seeing the kingdom of heaven on Earth, angels flying and everything. He wasn't speaking spiritually, he was speaking literally and we all know damn well a kingdom of heaven shouldn't include flesh eating bacteria and tornadoes that blow up churches during Christmas.

I'm truly amazed you believe in this nonsense, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[zzombie]

I also have proof he won't come back to Earth, the proof is from the Bible itself. But I don't want to break any hearts here. The passages I can easily post here would embarrass a few people, and I'll choose to be nice for now.

you will only embarrass yourself but you are too ignorant to know any better

The passages I can bring up were one of the main reasons church leaders in the past did not want the Bible read by the masses. They would know for themselves Jesus wasn't gonna come back, not in the way he said he would. The passages basically say Jesus would bring the kingdom of god to Earth about 2,000 years ago in his followers' lifetime and it never happened, unless flesh eating bacteria, tornadoes, volcanoes and hostile parasites exist in the kingdom of god. Doesn't sound like much of a kingdom.

nah that's not the main reason why the catholics did not want people reading the bible, they wanted control of the people that's the main reason why.

for the bold please tell me you are not referring to matt 24:34 , mark 13:30 , luke 21:32

Mark chapter 13 is basically proof Jesus exaggerated his abilities, and you know this deep down but believing gives you hope and whatever for the world or afterlife. Jesus told his own followers they would NOT DIE BEFORE seeing the kingdom of heaven on Earth, angels flying and everything. He wasn't speaking spiritually, he was speaking literally and we all know damn well a kingdom of heaven shouldn't include flesh eating bacteria and tornadoes that blow up churches during Christmas.

I'm truly amazed you believe in this nonsense, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

you know deep down inside that christ is lord that;s why you keep making religious threads if you did not care and really gave no fucks you would not make them. i have always found it funny that the people who hate god or say they don't believe spend so much time thinking about him it's almost like they are scared that they could be wrong and have to face that very same god they claim they don't believe in one day.

The bold makes no fucking sense you are just rambling now

 

[zzombie]

@kingblaze84

the only reason i argue with you is because i am commanded to do so, You atheist and anti-christians are the ones with the problems christians don't obsess over the silly questions you guys ask because half the time you simply reject the answer because you don't like it

you have been rambling on for years about things you don't understand and don't have the humility to learn anything about it. For ever religious thread started by a theist (excluding DOU) there are about 4 started by an atheist and that shit is funny to me

 

[kingblaze84]

I also have proof he won't come back to Earth, the proof is from the Bible itself. But I don't want to break any hearts here. The passages I can easily post here would embarrass a few people, and I'll choose to be nice for now.

you will only embarrass yourself but you are too ignorant to know any better

The passages I can bring up were one of the main reasons church leaders in the past did not want the Bible read by the masses. They would know for themselves Jesus wasn't gonna come back, not in the way he said he would. The passages basically say Jesus would bring the kingdom of god to Earth about 2,000 years ago in his followers' lifetime and it never happened, unless flesh eating bacteria, tornadoes, volcanoes and hostile parasites exist in the kingdom of god. Doesn't sound like much of a kingdom.

nah that's not the main reason why the catholics did not want people reading the bible, they wanted control of the people that's the main reason why.

for the bold please tell me you are not referring to matt 24:34 , mark 13:30 , luke 21:32

Mark chapter 13 is basically proof Jesus exaggerated his abilities, and you know this deep down but believing gives you hope and whatever for the world or afterlife. Jesus told his own followers they would NOT DIE BEFORE seeing the kingdom of heaven on Earth, angels flying and everything. He wasn't speaking spiritually, he was speaking literally and we all know damn well a kingdom of heaven shouldn't include flesh eating bacteria and tornadoes that blow up churches during Christmas.

I'm truly amazed you believe in this nonsense, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

you know deep down inside that christ is lord that;s why you keep making religious threads if you did not care and really gave no fucks you would not make them i have always found it funny that the people who hate god or say they don't believe spend so much time thinking about him it's almost like they are scared that they could be wrong and have to face that very same god they claim they don't believe in one day.

The bold makes no fucking sense you are just rambling now

This is the first religious thread I think I've ever made, I usually make threads on politics or hip-hop.

But anyway, I already know I won't face your god someday, you can't even explain properly why your god has failed to fulfill prophecies after 2,000 years LMAO but it's okay, I never expected you to be able to answer that. Mostly because you can't and have to make excuses, but that's also okay. I find it amusing and funny.

 

[kingblaze84]

I found Ride Along 2 hilarious but I find some of the answers here to be almost as funny. Thanks to @zombie and DOU for the great laughs I've had here. Keep them coming.

 

[zzombie]

I also have proof he won't come back to Earth, the proof is from the Bible itself. But I don't want to break any hearts here. The passages I can easily post here would embarrass a few people, and I'll choose to be nice for now.

you will only embarrass yourself but you are too ignorant to know any better

The passages I can bring up were one of the main reasons church leaders in the past did not want the Bible read by the masses. They would know for themselves Jesus wasn't gonna come back, not in the way he said he would. The passages basically say Jesus would bring the kingdom of god to Earth about 2,000 years ago in his followers' lifetime and it never happened, unless flesh eating bacteria, tornadoes, volcanoes and hostile parasites exist in the kingdom of god. Doesn't sound like much of a kingdom.

nah that's not the main reason why the catholics did not want people reading the bible, they wanted control of the people that's the main reason why.

for the bold please tell me you are not referring to matt 24:34 , mark 13:30 , luke 21:32

Mark chapter 13 is basically proof Jesus exaggerated his abilities, and you know this deep down but believing gives you hope and whatever for the world or afterlife. Jesus told his own followers they would NOT DIE BEFORE seeing the kingdom of heaven on Earth, angels flying and everything. He wasn't speaking spiritually, he was speaking literally and we all know damn well a kingdom of heaven shouldn't include flesh eating bacteria and tornadoes that blow up churches during Christmas.

I'm truly amazed you believe in this nonsense, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

you know deep down inside that christ is lord that;s why you keep making religious threads if you did not care and really gave no fucks you would not make them i have always found it funny that the people who hate god or say they don't believe spend so much time thinking about him it's almost like they are scared that they could be wrong and have to face that very same god they claim they don't believe in one day.

The bold makes no fucking sense you are just rambling now

This is the first religious thread I think I've ever made, I usually make threads on politics or hip-hop.

But anyway, I already know I won't face your god someday, you can't even explain properly why your god has failed to fulfill prophecies after 2,000 years LMAO but it's okay, I never expected you to be able to answer that. Mostly because you can't and have to make excuses, but that's also okay. I find it amusing and funny.

He fulfilled them already, and gave new ones. you are in every religious thread spreading the same ill informed nonsense are rejecting any answer given to you even when fully explained WHY??? IT MAKES NO SENSE.

maybe you cannot stop thinking about god

 

[zzombie]

I found Ride Along 2 hilarious but I find some of the answers here to be almost as funny. Thanks to @zombie and DOU for the great laughs I've had here.

Thanks for once again proving the bible correct when it says

“Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;

you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;

they hardly hear with their ears,

and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,

hear with their ears,

understand with their hearts

and turn, and I would heal them.’[a]

 

[alissowack]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, God is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.

How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?

There is nothing inherently wrong with desires. It is when our desires are not "in spirit". Because of sin, our desire's fall short. We can't be happy, sad, or angry without it being destructive towards the spirit of things.

If flesh-eating bacteria is the reason for our spiritual deterioration, it would be harsh.

So what would the solution to all this sinning be? To follow the rules of the Bible 100%? To the T?

In a previous post I gave a solution...apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus for God's Favor, there is nothing we can do. If we follow the rules...it would need to be done in honor of His Favor.

So basically, flesh eating bacteria and hurricanes will be around until the end of time. Sounds harsh if all this comes from "one" god. If one god made flesh eating bacteria that eats a baby's skin as it's alive, many times without anesthesia, doesn't that make the Bible god seem kind of evil?

I would rather someone say there are other gods or beings that are bringing these harsh things to Earth. But you say the Bible god has made these things. Pretty disturbing.

But what does flesh eating bacteria have to do with the spirit deteriorating? I may personally not like the idea of waking up and finding myself being eaten alive by these things, but my hope is that God keeps my spirit whole through it all.

An plague-free environment isn't going to cure sin that plagues the heart.

 

[The_Jackal]

@The_Jackal

Actually, you need to re-read the Bible, the real savior according to the Old Testament prophecies would make Israel have true peace with its neighbors and world peace would be the result, along with the world uniting under one god. Ex-Christians almost always know the Bible better then Christians do.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page26.htm

The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come. This term can cause some confusion, because it is also used to refer to a spiritual afterlife. In English, we commonly use the term "messianic age" to refer specifically to the time of the messiah.

Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people. (Isaiah 2:4) Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9).



In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.”

those scriptures are referring to the time when jesus returns and rules not the time when he first comes to earth redeem the souls of men but when he comes back to redeem the earth

Oh give me a break man. It's been 2,000 damn years already.

Its crazy that you can read but not understand or just chose to not understand. That's what happens when you pick and choose scriptures without knowing what they actually refer to