To those who believe in a kind and merciful god....why is the world so hostile to life?

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Sin

I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?

1. For the believer, Yes, the death and Resurrection of Yeshua granted victory for all those who trust in what He did and in who He is.

2. But for the unbeliever, like yourself, the wrath of God still abides on you because you are still condemned by the unconfessed and unrepentant sin in your life.

3. That is why you are trying to find loop holes on how to get out from under the judgment to come without dealing with the sin in your life.

4. Try as you may, even till you have wearied yourself with argumentation, God will always get the last word because He has the ACE card in the hole.

5. That ACE card is death, and once God requires your soul, you will give an account to Him about why you refused to believe. Amen.

6. And if that terrible fate falls upon you, there will be no arguments, no 2nd chances, no tears, no pleading, no mercy, no forgiveness, and no love for you on that day. Only wailing and gnashing of teeth will forever be your lot because you refused to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong and that God is always right while living on this side of eternity. Amen.

7. ...who is rich in mercy, for his great love where with he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ. For by grace we are saved! And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus! That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace we are saved through faith; and that is not of ourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them! Hallelujah!

But the question is do you want be raised up to sit in heavenly places or cast down to the bottom of the pit where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever? Yes, that is the question!

Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

If god steps in and does something does that negate freewill*?

*as in we are free to do as we do**

**which is ridiculous and false but w/e

1. No, because God has already declared that He is going "step in and do something" when He executes judgment upon a Christ rejecting world.

2. Even during the tribulation period when God steps in to judge a world that has rejected Him, mankind will still refuse to worship Yeshua with their own free will. Just look at the reaction of man after the 6th trumpet is completed:

"20And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." Revelation 9:20-21

3. Mankind will still refuse to repent from their wicked ways; even after 1/3 of whats left of humanity at the time of the 6th trumpet is killed by that judgment.

4. You see @"BiblicalAtheist " Even when God intervenes with worldwide shaking judgments the sin of man will still cause man to rebel against his/her Creator.

5. The sin of man is embedded in our very nature and without the new birth from above, mankind will never learn righteousness. That is why God says that we must be born again if we are to ever experience the joy of the LORD and the fellowship of His communion! Hallelujah!

 

[kingblaze84]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

 

[kingblaze84]

environment seems hostile to man because the nature of reality has changed

this whole argument is self centered and prideful because it come down to a belief that because the world does not work the way I want it to then there must be a problem with god. there is death and there is suffering built into the current reality why should there not be???

The environment doesn't "seem" hostile, it IS hostile. Go hang outside Times Square in 5 degree weather outside and tell me how nice that feels. Go back in time, tell your parents to reject all the vaccinations they helped give you, and tell me how pleasant the environment would feel to you then.

And it's not that there is a problem with god, hey, maybe the being or beings that created this world MEANT for it to be hostile to animals and others. But it goes to show Neil Tyson and others that if there IS a creator, it probably is not a loving or merciful one. If our creator is merciful, then I simply don't see the evidence or proof that it is. And people for obvious reasons don't like death or suffering, don't be silly.

you are the silly one because honestly death in a sinful world is a mercy would you rather live a in prison forever knowing that you are immortal??? if god did not allow mortal death we would all live forever in what would basically be hell.

god in his mercy give mankind the brains needed to survive every environment on this ruined earth.

Without a certain amount of suffering would we fight to make this world better??? probably not

It is a mercy for many to die, but it's not death itself that bothers most, it's HOW people and animals on Earth die. And before the death, the suffering many have to go through. And while some suffering is probably necessary to improve as a species, the AMOUNT of suffering throughout the world is unnecessary and almost pointless.

There is no point to an infant in Brazil or the Caribbean being born with tiny head syndrome because a damn mosquito gave its mother a brutal disease, especially if that infant is gonna die suffering a horrible death. That's just fucked up and if you believe your god made all that disease on purpose, then damn it's a fucked up being.

most human suffering is caused by man if we would actually treat each other better there would basically be no human suffering on earth except when cause by necessary natural death.

suffering is not point less suffering serves to teach mankind very important lessons and force us to invent ways to reduce that suffering.

Necessary and natural death has to include flesh eating bacteria though? A lot of that shit can't be solved right now, so people just have to suffer and suffer from that until they find a way to cure it?

This is why the Biblical answers here aren't answering the question, it defies the Biblical idea of an "all powerful and loving god".

The real answer seems that if there is a god, it is very distant and probably lost control of a lot of its functions or maybe other gods are competing with it for whatever reason. But of course, no one, so far has proof of anything....

 

[kingblaze84]

So many religious threads?

Why Yahweh doesn't come and save you niggas is because only the strong are deserving of Yahweh's mercy and love. Look at David, this nigga fought armies with 30 or 3 people at some given times, this nigga was on his dynasty warrior shit, but you ain't, so why would he help you out. You and 2 other niggas need to go out and wipe out an army beforehand.

Only the strong deserve his love? LOL aight well I'm doing good then. A shame about many others though.

 

[kingblaze84]

Sin

I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?

1. For the believer, Yes, the death and Resurrection of Yeshua granted victory for all those who trust in what He did and in who He is.

2. But for the unbeliever, like yourself, the wrath of God still abides on you because you are still condemned by the unconfessed and unrepentant sin in your life.

3. That is why you are trying to find loop holes on how to get out from under the judgment to come without dealing with the sin in your life.

4. Try as you may, even till you have wearied yourself with argumentation, God will always get the last word because He has the ACE card in the hole.

5. That ACE card is death, and once God requires your soul, you will give an account to Him about why you refused to believe. Amen.

6. And if that terrible fate falls upon you, there will be no arguments, no 2nd chances, no tears, no pleading, no mercy, no forgiveness, and no love for you on that day. Only wailing and gnashing of teeth will forever be your lot because you refused to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong and that God is always right while living on this side of eternity. Amen.

7. ...who is rich in mercy, for his great love where with he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ. For by grace we are saved! And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus! That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace we are saved through faith; and that is not of ourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them! Hallelujah!

But the question is do you want be raised up to sit in heavenly places or cast down to the bottom of the pit where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever? Yes, that is the question!

Amen.

I haven't been threatened online like that in a long time. Very scary stuff but let's say your Bible god is real....

Why should I "believe" when it hasn't proven himself yet? When the savior comes according to the Old Testament, natural disasters would end. But we still have them after Jesus died and "forgave" our sins. So why do we still have earthquakes and tornadoes 2,000 years later? Somebody lied to you.

 

[kingblaze84]

Double

 

[zzombie]

environment seems hostile to man because the nature of reality has changed

this whole argument is self centered and prideful because it come down to a belief that because the world does not work the way I want it to then there must be a problem with god. there is death and there is suffering built into the current reality why should there not be???

The environment doesn't "seem" hostile, it IS hostile. Go hang outside Times Square in 5 degree weather outside and tell me how nice that feels. Go back in time, tell your parents to reject all the vaccinations they helped give you, and tell me how pleasant the environment would feel to you then.

And it's not that there is a problem with god, hey, maybe the being or beings that created this world MEANT for it to be hostile to animals and others. But it goes to show Neil Tyson and others that if there IS a creator, it probably is not a loving or merciful one. If our creator is merciful, then I simply don't see the evidence or proof that it is. And people for obvious reasons don't like death or suffering, don't be silly.

you are the silly one because honestly death in a sinful world is a mercy would you rather live a in prison forever knowing that you are immortal??? if god did not allow mortal death we would all live forever in what would basically be hell.

god in his mercy give mankind the brains needed to survive every environment on this ruined earth.

Without a certain amount of suffering would we fight to make this world better??? probably not

It is a mercy for many to die, but it's not death itself that bothers most, it's HOW people and animals on Earth die. And before the death, the suffering many have to go through. And while some suffering is probably necessary to improve as a species, the AMOUNT of suffering throughout the world is unnecessary and almost pointless.

There is no point to an infant in Brazil or the Caribbean being born with tiny head syndrome because a damn mosquito gave its mother a brutal disease, especially if that infant is gonna die suffering a horrible death. That's just fucked up and if you believe your god made all that disease on purpose, then damn it's a fucked up being.

most human suffering is caused by man if we would actually treat each other better there would basically be no human suffering on earth except when cause by necessary natural death.

suffering is not point less suffering serves to teach mankind very important lessons and force us to invent ways to reduce that suffering.

Necessary and natural death has to include flesh eating bacteria though? A lot of that shit can't be solved right now, so people just have to suffer and suffer from that until they find a way to cure it?

This is why the Biblical answers here aren't answering the question, it defies the Biblical idea of an "all powerful and loving god".

The real answer seems that if there is a god, it is very distant and probably lost control of a lot of its functions or maybe other gods are competing with it for whatever reason. But of course, no one, so far has proof of anything....

Our definition on love and god's understanding of love are two different things you seem to forget that this is the same god of the cross. Pain and suffering in life is not something that he has promised that he will always prevent humans from having to go through. In fact the closer you are to god the greater chances of you suffering in the first place.

The scope and meaning of gods love and mercy are defined by the teachings of god not by you, GOD has not lost control of nature but he does not micromanage it either the laws of nature and physics are set in place and god simply does not always interrupt them just cause they could cause us pain.

like I always say, it always comes back to the pride and self centeredness of man you want things to go the way you think they should go and when they don't go that way you either blame god or reject him.

 

[zzombie]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with god because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.

jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe

 

[Ajackson17]

So many religious threads?

Why Yahweh doesn't come and save you niggas is because only the strong are deserving of Yahweh's mercy and love. Look at David, this nigga fought armies with 30 or 3 people at some given times, this nigga was on his dynasty warrior shit, but you ain't, so why would he help you out. You and 2 other niggas need to go out and wipe out an army beforehand.

Only the strong deserve his love? LOL aight well I'm doing good then. A shame about many others though.

Lol, I was fucking with folks, but apparently though...

 

[alissowack]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, God is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must do so in spirit.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Sin

I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?

1. For the believer, Yes, the death and Resurrection of Yeshua granted victory for all those who trust in what He did and in who He is.

2. But for the unbeliever, like yourself, the wrath of God still abides on you because you are still condemned by the unconfessed and unrepentant sin in your life.

3. That is why you are trying to find loop holes on how to get out from under the judgment to come without dealing with the sin in your life.

4. Try as you may, even till you have wearied yourself with argumentation, God will always get the last word because He has the ACE card in the hole.

5. That ACE card is death, and once God requires your soul, you will give an account to Him about why you refused to believe. Amen.

6. And if that terrible fate falls upon you, there will be no arguments, no 2nd chances, no tears, no pleading, no mercy, no forgiveness, and no love for you on that day. Only wailing and gnashing of teeth will forever be your lot because you refused to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong and that God is always right while living on this side of eternity. Amen.

7. ...who is rich in mercy, for his great love where with he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ. For by grace we are saved! And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus! That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace we are saved through faith; and that is not of ourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them! Hallelujah!

But the question is do you want be raised up to sit in heavenly places or cast down to the bottom of the pit where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever? Yes, that is the question!

Amen.

I haven't been threatened online like that in a long time. Very scary stuff but let's say your Bible god is real....

Why should I "believe" when it hasn't proven himself yet? When the savior comes according to the Old Testament, natural disasters would end. But we still have them after Jesus died and "forgave" our sins. So why do we still have earthquakes and tornadoes 2,000 years later? Somebody lied to you.

1. As Paul would say, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;" Amen.

2. God has made His existence known. Only fools say "there is no God".

3. When Yeshua comes again He will put an end to all sin and rebellion.

4. His mercy is being extended to you at this very moment because He has delayed His coming. You would be eternally lost if God came right now. But God is still giving you time to repent and turn to Him. Amen.

5. Will you come to Him today?

 

[The_Jackal]

This nigga trolling.

 

[kingblaze84]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, God is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.

How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?

 

[kingblaze84]

Sin

I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?

1. For the believer, Yes, the death and Resurrection of Yeshua granted victory for all those who trust in what He did and in who He is.

2. But for the unbeliever, like yourself, the wrath of God still abides on you because you are still condemned by the unconfessed and unrepentant sin in your life.

3. That is why you are trying to find loop holes on how to get out from under the judgment to come without dealing with the sin in your life.

4. Try as you may, even till you have wearied yourself with argumentation, God will always get the last word because He has the ACE card in the hole.

5. That ACE card is death, and once God requires your soul, you will give an account to Him about why you refused to believe. Amen.

6. And if that terrible fate falls upon you, there will be no arguments, no 2nd chances, no tears, no pleading, no mercy, no forgiveness, and no love for you on that day. Only wailing and gnashing of teeth will forever be your lot because you refused to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong and that God is always right while living on this side of eternity. Amen.

7. ...who is rich in mercy, for his great love where with he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ. For by grace we are saved! And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus! That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace we are saved through faith; and that is not of ourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them! Hallelujah!

But the question is do you want be raised up to sit in heavenly places or cast down to the bottom of the pit where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever? Yes, that is the question!

Amen.

I haven't been threatened online like that in a long time. Very scary stuff but let's say your Bible god is real....

Why should I "believe" when it hasn't proven himself yet? When the savior comes according to the Old Testament, natural disasters would end. But we still have them after Jesus died and "forgave" our sins. So why do we still have earthquakes and tornadoes 2,000 years later? Somebody lied to you.

1. As Paul would say, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;" Amen.

2. God has made His existence known. Only fools say "there is no God".

3. When Yeshua comes again He will put an end to all sin and rebellion.

4. His mercy is being extended to you at this very moment because He has delayed His coming. You would be eternally lost if God came right now. But God is still giving you time to repent and turn to Him. Amen.

5. Will you come to Him today?

Yeah yeah yeah. Shouldn't he show himself by now, because people are still gonna keep sinning. And 70% of the world does not believe in the Christian god, Muslims do not believe a god is three people or beings in one. And since Muslims and non-religious are growing at faster rates then Christians, Yeshua might as well show up now. If not then you have no proof of what you're saying.

 

[kingblaze84]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with god because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.

jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe

I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible god anymore?

 

[kingblaze84]

I can see now why the Catholic Church didn't want the Bible to be read by most people back in the day....many of them were afraid of the many holes in the story. But if the Christian perspective comforts some of ya'll, that's cool. But I can see why church leadership in the past weren't comfortable with the Bible having its words analyzed.

 

[alissowack]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, God is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.

How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?

There is nothing inherently wrong with desires. It is when our desires are not "in spirit". Because of sin, our desire's fall short. We can't be happy, sad, or angry without it being destructive towards the spirit of things.

If flesh-eating bacteria is the reason for our spiritual deterioration, it would be harsh.

 

[kingblaze84]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, God is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.

How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?

There is nothing inherently wrong with desires. It is when our desires are not "in spirit". Because of sin, our desire's fall short. We can't be happy, sad, or angry without it being destructive towards the spirit of things.

If flesh-eating bacteria is the reason for our spiritual deterioration, it would be harsh.

So what would the solution to all this sinning be? To follow the rules of the Bible 100%? To the T?

 

[zzombie]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a god comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.

If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.

You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with god because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.

jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe

I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible god anymore?

The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with God. We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him

Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.

Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.