"Things that cause rape"

[5th Letter]

no one is blaming the victims. all we're saying is to take preventive measures to lessen the chance of it happening.

as for women being raped by people they know, its unfortunate it's not much prevention you can do when it's someone you thought you can trust.

smh

the problem is the majority of women who have been raped were raped by someone they knew and probably trusted...what do you suppose we do about that? that's the real question...

the same reason people get set up by people they thought they can trust. while unfortunate theres not much you can do about it.

 

[blackrain]

"I took my million dollar Bugatti to the hood and left the keys in it, I had no idea it would get stolen cause stealing is against the law"

I'm sorry, pico, and as I've said I don't dislike you, but you tend to be a yesman on this site. you really need to expand your knowledge on this shit. I have no problem helping you with that.

You should expand your knowledge as well cause you're saying things against the law shouldn't happen because they're against the law. That's a bit naive.

No, you're naive and you tend to take your boyfriend or the dudes' stance on stuff. The fact is life is not black and white. there is gray all over. Grow up and learn some shit. LL and I have dropped some real knowledge on you. I hope you've never been in a situation where a man has used his power over you during sex, or for a close example, assumed that it was your fault because others have perhaps, say, spread information on an internet msg board when you just posted pics.

It's all sexism. It may not be 1920 but we've got a long way to go, baby.

We teach men not to rape. We don't, from the first day an 8 year old girl goes out teach her how to look out for creepy men and tell her she will be doing the rest of her life.

We teach men that rape is bad and that you can't do that shit. In some countries rape is LEGAL.

You said this...you're not even on the feminist side of the argument. You confused as to what you even represent

I mean the answer is WE TEACH MEN NOT TO RAPE. not we already do this.

They don't have a class in school where they say, okay guys, this is what is rape, this is what could be considered rape, this is why you shouldn't do it.

Parents don't teach their kids that shit, but they teach their daughters constantly about how not to get raped.

I go out side, I make sure I have my phone on me, I make sure my key is in my hands as I go to the car, I make sure that I lock it as quick as possible.

A man doesn't consider this shit or why a woman does it, because they know nothing about rape.

Actually you're wrong...any male college freshman it's mandatory you attend seminars on this very subject @covet

 

[Melanin_Enriched]

"I took my million dollar Bugatti to the hood and left the keys in it, I had no idea it would get stolen cause stealing is against the law"

I'm sorry, pico, and as I've said I don't dislike you, but you tend to be a yesman on this site. you really need to expand your knowledge on this shit. I have no problem helping you with that.

You should expand your knowledge as well cause you're saying things against the law shouldn't happen because they're against the law. That's a bit naive.

No, you're naive and you tend to take your boyfriend or the dudes' stance on stuff. The fact is life is not black and white. there is gray all over. Grow up and learn some shit. LL and I have dropped some real knowledge on you. I hope you've never been in a situation where a man has used his power over you during sex, or for a close example, assumed that it was your fault because others have perhaps, say, spread information on an internet msg board when you just posted pics.

It's all sexism. It may not be 1920 but we've got a long way to go, baby.

We teach men not to rape. We don't, from the first day an 8 year old girl goes out teach her how to look out for creepy men and tell her she will be doing the rest of her life.

We teach men that rape is bad and that you can't do that shit. In some countries rape is LEGAL.

You said this...you're not even on the feminist side of the argument. You confused as to what you even represent

I mean the answer is WE TEACH MEN NOT TO RAPE. not we already do this.

They don't have a class in school where they say, okay guys, this is what is rape, this is what could be considered rape, this is why you shouldn't do it.

Parents don't teach their kids that shit, but they teach their daughters constantly about how not to get raped.

I go out side, I make sure I have my phone on me, I make sure my key is in my hands as I go to the car, I make sure that I lock it as quick as possible.

A man doesn't consider this shit or why a woman does it, because they know nothing about rape.

Actually you're wrong...any male college freshman it's mandatory you attend seminars on this very subject

Yea that shit sucked. riddled with corny skits.

 

[7figz]

@Lil Loca

I don't see any of that as promoting violence against women.

A true "rape culture" would be some parts of Africa and the Middle East where rape isn't a serious crime.

How are all those NOT factors in promoting violence against women? Sexual violence against women occurs because of the attitude that a woman exists for a man's sexual pleasure, lack of control of her own sexuality, and because men are taught to be dominant over a woman's sexuality. Cultural attitudes are a factor in why sexual violence occurs.

The definition of rape culture is this:



Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of women’s bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards women’s rights and safety.

Sexual violence and violence in general is incredibly normalized in America. It is incredibly excused in media and popular culture here--with the case of Mike Tyson and Tawana Brawley. Simply look through this thread and you can find the abundance of rape jokes, misogynist language, and the objectification of women's bodies as a testimony as to how men are socialized as evidence of rape culture here.

I follow your argument, but in real life, rape isn't excused or promoted. Tyson got locked up. Shit, dudes be fucked up just for getting accused. And a lot of chicks lie.

Not only does the law go after rapists aggressively, but a neighborhood would beat the shit out of a known rapist - atleast where I'm from.

As far as women objectifying themselves, it doesn't promote rape, it promotes their sexuality.

Yes, rape is excused. People just kept saying how Desiree shouldn't have been in Tyson's room and he wouldn't have raped her--an excuse. No one believed Tawana Bradley and said she was lying about being violated. People are excusing rape when they say that if it wasn't for a woman doing this or doing that, it wouldn't have happened. And rape isn't promoted here? It was promoted on more than one occasion in this thread alone.

Rape happened to women all the time on my campus and it was swept under the rug by the administration, the boys got a slap on the wrist, no one was arrested, and there was little accountability on their end.

Women objectify themselves because they are taught to look sexually desirable and pleasing to men to have self esteem. And it is still a form of objectification because it blatantly says that their sexuality is for a man's benefit and satisfaction, not their own.

For the Tyson / Desiree shit, I think there were more people saying that she was lying than saying she shouldn't have been in the room. Still how can you consider it being excused when he was convicted of it ?

For what happened on your campus, that's a real specific situation, but not society overall.

Now for women objectifying themselves - we all do, men and women. That's just a matter of making yourself attractive for self-esteem, nothing to blame anybody for. The flipside would be having people feel they should be ashamed of their sexuality or looks.

Bottom line, who's out here really getting away with rape ? Those that's not on the run anyway.

 

[desertrain10]

@Lil Loca

I don't see any of that as promoting violence against women.

A true "rape culture" would be some parts of Africa and the Middle East where rape isn't a serious crime.

How are all those NOT factors in promoting violence against women? Sexual violence against women occurs because of the attitude that a woman exists for a man's sexual pleasure, lack of control of her own sexuality, and because men are taught to be dominant over a woman's sexuality. Cultural attitudes are a factor in why sexual violence occurs.

The definition of rape culture is this:



Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of women’s bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards women’s rights and safety.

Sexual violence and violence in general is incredibly normalized in America. It is incredibly excused in media and popular culture here--with the case of Mike Tyson and Tawana Brawley. Simply look through this thread and you can find the abundance of rape jokes, misogynist language, and the objectification of women's bodies as a testimony as to how men are socialized as evidence of rape culture here.

I follow your argument, but in real life, rape isn't excused or promoted. Tyson got locked up. Shit, dudes be fucked up just for getting accused. And a lot of chicks lie.

Not only does the law go after rapists aggressively, but a neighborhood would beat the shit out of a known rapist - atleast where I'm from.

As far as women objectifying themselves, it doesn't promote rape, it promotes their sexuality.

what? only a small percentage of women report rape to the authorities, even though the percentage of women who have claim to have experienced a rape is much, much larger. it is one of the most, if not thy most under reported crimes in america....

and only 25% of men who were accused of rape were actually convicted. than men who were convicted of rape on average only get sentenced to 1-3 yrs in prison...

just look at how we live in a culture that regularly depicts women as nothing more than sexual objects or just pretty things to look at. slowly conditioning us to see women as things to be possessed or sexed, instead of individuals and human beings of great value....while continuing to sexualize power and control as masculine, and submission and objectification as feminine. and rape is one of the most effective methods of gaining control and dominance over another person....

so what she said ain't farfetched...or far from the truth

 

[blackrain]

LMFAO ok so let's teach lions not to attack when you waving raw steak at them.

I'm not saying all niggas rape and all men ain't shit but come on now woukd you go waving around money in the hood? Prevention is key to avoid alot of things, rape included.

So you're basically implying that men are essentially stupid beings whose intelligence equates to that of an animal who just can't resist the impulse to rape?

FOH. Men are taught to rape because we are basically socialized in a sexist society that says that domination and controlling women's sexuality is permissible. Yet we'd rather tell a woman to just dress modestly and place all the blame on her because it's easier to do that than challenge sexist institutions that make rape acceptable.

If a woman is sitting naked in the street, a dude still doesn't have the right to rape her.

 

[Rozetta5tone]

Ted Bundy causes rape...

 

[LUClEN]

Why isn't human biology and nature on that cardboard?

If there was no natural inclination to procreate rape would be almost non existent

same goes for marriage

 

[Amotekun]

This thread is silly.

Protect yourselves. At all times. Laws are reactive not preventative. A law never stopped anyone from doing anything, the consequences of breaking that law make a lot of niggas second guess their actions.

Its why before rape was criminalized if a man raped a woman depending on her station he was either forced to marry her, or some other male figure took vengeance.

You can teach men not to rape but thats not the issue. The issue is that people live in societies where either certain things are held sacred and other not so much, or that nothing is sacred and everything is in a state of irreverence.

In America niggas do each other dirty plain and simple because the bonds of a relationship arent held sacred.

Women get raped by those they are close to because that niggas sexual urge holds greater weight to him than the bond of friendship with that woman.

Niggas rape females they don't know because a woman's dignity and body are not held as sacred, the only thing that matters is their appetite.

This is the culture we live in. Nothing is sacred, nothing is honored so until that changes on a fundamental level..protect yourself. It is in your best interests. I tell my sisters that, I tell my female cousins that, and my female friends.

Also ladies, you need to address these females out here that do things and later regret them, and to cover up their shame they pull the rape card. Ignoring that ruins your credibility because you won't acknowledge a grave and proven concern.

This isn't comin from a place of white male privilege, because thats the only privilege here in america. I'm a Black man who knows that the Black woman is the queen of the universe, and gives birth to gods and goddesses. Real is real though, protect yourself in these streets. If a man jumps you, are you gonna stop and ask 'didnt your parents teach you not to rape?" Yall expect that nigga to slow up and be like "aww yea, I forgot about that, my bad."

Nah you not you're gonna use whatever you can to protect yourself in that moment, even if it means killin that nigga. Which is what I taught women in my self defense classes years ago.

Hotep.

 

[AZTG]

*this can potentially be a long post*

*it turned out long as fuck, but read if you a fan of real shit*

First people in this thread are debating two different things. We all agree rape in any form is wrong. Any time a girl says no and some one forcibly takes the pussy is wrong. That's clear as day.

Now some people here are saying women should take some steps that might decrease the chance of rape. There is nothing wrong with this. No one is saying you can protect yourself from the dude who is waiting in the bushes. Something like that is unpreventable, but some rapes are. For example, don't get drunk around dudes. ain't nothing wrong with this. Drunk people can't think clear, this is a fact. I personally don't drink around chicks for fear of cheating on my girl. When I'm drunk, I might make the wrong decision and fuck a bitch, so I don't drink around chicks. why cant girls do the same? When you go to a party, and there is mad dudes and only a few chicks, drinking moderately should be the smart thing to do. When you get drunk, you might flirt excessively with a dude, kiss him, grab his dick, rub his shit, and that motherfucker because he's drunk might want more and fuck you without you wanting it to go that far. Under normal circumstances that man wouldn't have raped, and under normal circumstances you wouldn't have flirted with that man, but alcohol fucks people up. So is drinking less at a party to protect yourself a bad thing really? Also, don't be the last girl left at the party with dudes. people bounce, you bounce. I would never stay at a party, drunk, WITH GIRLS THAT I KNOW AND TRUST after a party cause even though I might known them and trust them, after a party, while I'm drunk, ima probably end up fucking a bitch, and cheat on my girl. Half the time, it might not even be my fault, a drunk bitch could just walk up and grab my dick and be being drunk, ill fuck the bitch. If I can take protective measures not to cheat on my girl and leave when people leave, why can't a girl do the same to avoid situations? shit ain't hard or anything.

Im just saying drunk people do dumb shit, and a girl should always be careful about where she gets drunk.

With that said, @lil loca, there is nothing I hate more then a rapist yo. a rapist should get killed. I agree. But at the same time, you have to understand that men ans women are human, and humans are animals yo. Men are built to fuck, we have hormones and animal instincts, and we get our drive off finding some pussy to fuck. With that said, all these things about equality and a girl wanting to walk around naked is cool and all, but the same biology that made men animals when it comes to sex, gave you a brain to avoid certain situations.

I ain't condoning rape by any means and in hate a rapist, and that sick dude who rapes not for the pussy but the power, that dude can never be avoided and deserves death, but some of these party and people I trust rapes can be avoided with some common sense yo. word up.

 

[nepats]

The fact is women agree to be exploited when they agree to appear in rap videos half naked, and any where else in the media half naked. But it takes a real sick bastard to fuck a women who does not want to fuck. so i dont agree that its partly women's fault that they get raped because of the way they dress.

 

[desertrain10]

LMFAO ok so let's teach lions not to attack when you waving raw steak at them.

I'm not saying all niggas rape and all men ain't shit but come on now woukd you go waving around money in the hood? Prevention is key to avoid alot of things, rape included.

So you're basically implying that men are essentially stupid beings whose intelligence equates to that of an animal who just can't resist the impulse to rape?

FOH. Men are taught to rape because we are basically socialized in a sexist society that says that domination and controlling women's sexuality is permissible. Yet we'd rather tell a woman to just dress modestly and place all the blame on her because it's easier to do that than challenge sexist institutions that make rape acceptable.

If a woman is sitting naked in the street, a dude still doesn't have the right to rape her.

 

[7figz]

LOL at the concept of having to be taught "not to rape" as if a normal, otherwise decent person would somehow miss that.

 

[blackgod813]

Lil loks u kant possibly be black but u saying racial insensitive shit

 

[desertrain10]

*this can potentially be a long post*

I ain't condoning rape by any means and in hate a rapist, and that sick dude who rapes not for the pussy but the power, that dude can never be avoided and deserves death, but some of these party and people I trust rapes can be avoided with some common sense yo. word up.

how? since i am a woman should i not hang out with a trusted male friend or family member alone? should i not drink at parties with my friends?....

get what you are saying... but things aren't that black an white. and the majority of rapes are premeditated...

 

[DarcSkies]

Now-A-Days rape = A bitch saying u raped her with or without proof

Which is why I no longer care or sympathize about that issue. Too many bitches are getting away with passing the fuck out waking up in a wetspot and crying rape just because they dont remember consenting.

 

[Melanin_Enriched]

big loca...were you raped?

 

[LUClEN]

Oooh Philosophy debates. Me rikey

Violent culture, yes...rape culture not so much. Rape is a crime you can be locked up for in some places simply based on the accusation with no evidence. You know any dudes who willingly hang around known rapist because I sure don't. That shit's not accepted even by other criminals, there's a reason sex offenders and rapists are typically kept out of general population even in prison, them niggas are walking targets to get fucked up or killed. You just spouting off shit you read off a website and 2 sociology books instead of actually using critical thinking to apply the shit you're reading to real world circumstances

Rape IS a form of violence, dumb ass

Name calling proves nothing. Ad hominem only makes your argument look weak.

hence the word sexual violence.

The word sexual is also in it. To call rape nothing more than a violent crime is to ignore the sexual motivations behind many rapes. In places where there are no human females to have sex with men will have sex with other men by force. This clearly demonstrates the natural human need/desire for sex and the urges associated with them. Not excusing anything, but let's not look at it solely as a violent crime.

we live in a rape culture that emphasizes objectification and continuing sexual violence. I know plenty of people who have hung around rapists. Fraternity dudes used to rape women frequently as well as drug them on my campus: no one got arrested or even got a slap on the wrist. People stood by them and never thought they should be arrested for the shit they did. Other women frequently blamed the victims and basically excused the dudes that violated them sexually.

Blaming the victim is wrong and I agree 110% if you are saying that those who do so are foolish. But you can not leave yourself open for something bad to happen by dressing provocatively and getting too intoxicated and really hold no responsibility or think there is nothing you could do to prevent it from happening in the future. If you left your door wide open and someone stole something from your house you would realize that you should have left the door closed and will do so in the future.

My mother was also raped at a very young age and her rapist was never put in jail. So you need to sit down because you don't know shit about my experiences, what I know or who I know that's been a victim. I'm a woman--I live with this shit every day and your Black ass doesn't have to. All you're doing is sitting there will your male privilege and being a condescending piece of shit. And wait, aren't you the one who excused that homophobic thread a couple months back? Exactly. Miss me with acting superior when you ain't shit.

Sorry for to hear that but ad hominem ain't shit.

 

[MrLunatik1979]

First I'ma say I don't consider a bitch lying or having regrets and screaming rape to actually be rape.

For me rape is when the chick says no and the motherfucker still takes it. And what causes that? Some dude that is fucked in the head and is hungry for the power and control. Some sick fuck that is not man enough to earn it.

"crying rape" is a pro-rape term tbh. I know you don't mean it that way, but just know what you're saying.

fuck that it is. it's an anti-lie about rape term.

bitches that lie about rape, make it harder for the real victims out there. Stats indicate 1 in 10 cases are falsely accused. It is a serious problem and I have had friends really get raped and they are too scared to come forward because they are afraid they will be called a liar.

 

[blackgod813]

Wellll your black ass was said ..usaid nigga ...da same way fems don't enjoy being bitches an hoes every other text I don't enjoy non blacks making racial slurs Chico